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00:01:16,041\n根據最新的兩年的統計包含兒童跟少年性剝削的這個通報的被害人其實這個數字是相當可怕的從兩個部分來看就利用兒童或少年為性交猥褻之行為以功能關懶的跟這個拍攝製造兒童或少年的性交或者是猥褻的這個部分\n\n4\n00:01:17,142 --> 00:01:26,606\n邱議瑩等21人擬具:「再生醫療法草案：一),委員羅廷瑋等21人擬具:「再生醫療法草案：一),委員羅廷瑋等21人擬具:「再生醫療法草案：一),委員羅廷瑋等21人擬具:「再生醫療法草案：一),委員羅廷瑋等21人擬具:「再生醫療法草案：一),委員羅廷瑋等21人擬具:「再生醫療法草案：一),委員羅廷瑋等21人擬具:「再生醫療法草案：一),委員羅廷瑋等21人擬具:「再生醫療法草案：一),委員\n\n5\n00:01:45,874 --> 00:01:57,318\n草案案件事務委員邱議瑩等25人擬具:「再生醫療法草案案件事務委員邱議瑩等25人擬具:「再生醫療法草案案件事務委員邱議瑩等25人擬具:「再生醫療法草案案件事務委員邱議瑩等25人擬具:「再生醫療法草案案件事務委員邱議瑩等25人擬具:「再生醫療法草案案件事務委員邱議瑩等25人擬具:「再生醫療法草案案件事務委員邱議瑩等25人擬具:「再生醫療法草案案件事務委員邱議瑩等25人擬具:「再生醫療法草案案件事務委\n\n6\n00:02:14,304 --> 00:02:33,294\n他必須依比例來去加重他的刑罰那我們最近的討論偏向持有但是其實我們必須要用比例原則把這個始作俑者或者是利用這樣子去謀利的這樣的做法來有更有效的去防範那第二個部分就是強化社區警示的部分\n\n7\n00:02:34,014 --> 00:03:02,244\n我們看到這麼多的案件裡面我相信有很多是直接有被判定這個判罪的確定的那這些部分我認為過去對於這種被害人的保護我覺得不夠之外對於加害人我們對於加害人竟然沒有辦法做完整的防治機制沒有辦法去警示這個社區說有這樣子的加害人他在引誘他在拍攝幼童\n\n8\n00:03:02,824 --> 00:03:03,925\n檢視系統及風險管控事項,請問衛福部有沒有這樣的規劃或這樣的想法?\n\n9\n00:03:21,466 --> 00:03:36,874\n這部分從社區去做的話當然是一個方法不過因為從委員這一個來看的話我們都可以看得到增加最多的就是網路上面的現影像\n\n10\n00:03:37,774 --> 00:04:01,049\n那如果是屬於這一類的話那社區要怎麼樣去做這種預防就會有一點困難那跟部長說明一下就經過定罪之後我們知道他是做拍攝他是做製作這樣子的猥褻的影片的我們知道這個人是誰的話那當然就可以警示說此人在這個社區在活動\n\n11\n00:04:01,749 --> 00:04:02,409\n草案：一),委員羅廷瑋等21人擬具:「再生醫療法草案：一),委員羅廷瑋\n\n12\n00:04:20,737 --> 00:04:40,535\n指用這樣子的馬上反應式的方式去修法所以我們也希望衛福部能夠提供我們更多的其他國家的這些相關的處置的方式那我當然知道是針對其他的這種性犯罪者有些國家是直接公佈其姓名還有公佈他的這些刑績在一些可以去搜尋到的政府網站\n\n13\n00:04:41,155 --> 00:05:06,682\n但是我們現在面臨的挑戰是更多包含製作的散播的這些所以我還希望說衛福部能夠提供相關的一些資訊給我們作為之後的立法的參考那再來就是社工人力的部分那之前的凱凱案我想也已經發生了那我們希望說未來能夠再做嚇阻或者是說不要讓這種事情再發生是不是有可能採取不紡釋預告的社工紡釋基督\n\n14\n00:05:07,562 --> 00:05:29,242\n這是本來就會有這樣子的一個機制現在只是說因為我們有許多的縣對一個個別的一個兒少的保護有幾樣的機制在進行那對這種脆弱家庭的話其實有各種不同的現在只是說這些要怎麼樣去整合起來\n\n15\n00:05:30,143 --> 00:05:41,107\n草案：一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、\n\n16\n00:05:55,031 --> 00:06:11,090\n每一個社工最多可以負責幾個案例,未來會不會有相關的更明確的方式來去制定?因為社工的工作齁,其實他差別很大啦。有一些只會處理這一個所謂的救濟的發放。\n\n17\n00:06:12,231 --> 00:06:31,945\n有些保護性社工必須進入家庭,對於各種保護對象所面對的風險很高。不同的工作的社工,案件的比例會有不一樣。這當然我們都可以再來做一些檢討。\n\n18\n00:06:34,110 --> 00:06:36,672\n邱議瑩等21人擬具:「再生醫療發展法草案案件事件事件事件事件事\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n509\t27799\t員發言。」好,謝謝主席。那我們請部長。請薛部長。\n34659\t35641\t羅廷瑋等21人擬具:「再生醫療\n51323\t76041\t根據最新的兩年的統計包含兒童跟少年性剝削的這個通報的被害人其實這個數字是相當可怕的從兩個部分來看就利用兒童或少年為性交猥褻之行為以功能關懶的跟這個拍攝製造兒童或少年的性交或者是猥褻的這個部分\n77142\t86606\t邱議瑩等21人擬具:「再生醫療法草案：一),委員羅廷瑋等21人擬具:「再生醫療法草案：一),委員羅廷瑋等21人擬具:「再生醫療法草案：一),委員羅廷瑋等21人擬具:「再生醫療法草案：一),委員羅廷瑋等21人擬具:「再生醫療法草案：一),委員羅廷瑋等21人擬具:「再生醫療法草案：一),委員羅廷瑋等21人擬具:「再生醫療法草案：一),委員羅廷瑋等21人擬具:「再生醫療法草案：一),委員\n105874\t117318\t草案案件事務委員邱議瑩等25人擬具:「再生醫療法草案案件事務委員邱議瑩等25人擬具:「再生醫療法草案案件事務委員邱議瑩等25人擬具:「再生醫療法草案案件事務委員邱議瑩等25人擬具:「再生醫療法草案案件事務委員邱議瑩等25人擬具:「再生醫療法草案案件事務委員邱議瑩等25人擬具:「再生醫療法草案案件事務委員邱議瑩等25人擬具:「再生醫療法草案案件事務委員邱議瑩等25人擬具:「再生醫療法草案案件事務委\n134304\t153294\t他必須依比例來去加重他的刑罰那我們最近的討論偏向持有但是其實我們必須要用比例原則把這個始作俑者或者是利用這樣子去謀利的這樣的做法來有更有效的去防範那第二個部分就是強化社區警示的部分\n154014\t182244\t我們看到這麼多的案件裡面我相信有很多是直接有被判定這個判罪的確定的那這些部分我認為過去對於這種被害人的保護我覺得不夠之外對於加害人我們對於加害人竟然沒有辦法做完整的防治機制沒有辦法去警示這個社區說有這樣子的加害人他在引誘他在拍攝幼童\n182824\t183925\t檢視系統及風險管控事項,請問衛福部有沒有這樣的規劃或這樣的想法?\n201466\t216874\t這部分從社區去做的話當然是一個方法不過因為從委員這一個來看的話我們都可以看得到增加最多的就是網路上面的現影像\n217774\t241049\t那如果是屬於這一類的話那社區要怎麼樣去做這種預防就會有一點困難那跟部長說明一下就經過定罪之後我們知道他是做拍攝他是做製作這樣子的猥褻的影片的我們知道這個人是誰的話那當然就可以警示說此人在這個社區在活動\n241749\t242409\t草案：一),委員羅廷瑋等21人擬具:「再生醫療法草案：一),委員羅廷瑋\n260737\t280535\t指用這樣子的馬上反應式的方式去修法所以我們也希望衛福部能夠提供我們更多的其他國家的這些相關的處置的方式那我當然知道是針對其他的這種性犯罪者有些國家是直接公佈其姓名還有公佈他的這些刑績在一些可以去搜尋到的政府網站\n281155\t306682\t但是我們現在面臨的挑戰是更多包含製作的散播的這些所以我還希望說衛福部能夠提供相關的一些資訊給我們作為之後的立法的參考那再來就是社工人力的部分那之前的凱凱案我想也已經發生了那我們希望說未來能夠再做嚇阻或者是說不要讓這種事情再發生是不是有可能採取不紡釋預告的社工紡釋基督\n307562\t329242\t這是本來就會有這樣子的一個機制現在只是說因為我們有許多的縣對一個個別的一個兒少的保護有幾樣的機制在進行那對這種脆弱家庭的話其實有各種不同的現在只是說這些要怎麼樣去整合起來\n330143\t341107\t草案：一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、\n355031\t371090\t每一個社工最多可以負責幾個案例,未來會不會有相關的更明確的方式來去制定?因為社工的工作齁,其實他差別很大啦。有一些只會處理這一個所謂的救濟的發放。\n372231\t391945\t有些保護性社工必須進入家庭,對於各種保護對象所面對的風險很高。不同的工作的社工,案件的比例會有不一樣。這當然我們都可以再來做一些檢討。\n394110\t396672\t邱議瑩等21人擬具:「再生醫療發展法草案案件事件事件事件事件事\n","txt":"員發言。」好,謝謝主席。那我們請部長。請薛部長。\n羅廷瑋等21人擬具:「再生醫療\n根據最新的兩年的統計包含兒童跟少年性剝削的這個通報的被害人其實這個數字是相當可怕的從兩個部分來看就利用兒童或少年為性交猥褻之行為以功能關懶的跟這個拍攝製造兒童或少年的性交或者是猥褻的這個部分\n邱議瑩等21人擬具:「再生醫療法草案：一),委員羅廷瑋等21人擬具:「再生醫療法草案：一),委員羅廷瑋等21人擬具:「再生醫療法草案：一),委員羅廷瑋等21人擬具:「再生醫療法草案：一),委員羅廷瑋等21人擬具:「再生醫療法草案：一),委員羅廷瑋等21人擬具:「再生醫療法草案：一),委員羅廷瑋等21人擬具:「再生醫療法草案：一),委員羅廷瑋等21人擬具:「再生醫療法草案：一),委員\n草案案件事務委員邱議瑩等25人擬具:「再生醫療法草案案件事務委員邱議瑩等25人擬具:「再生醫療法草案案件事務委員邱議瑩等25人擬具:「再生醫療法草案案件事務委員邱議瑩等25人擬具:「再生醫療法草案案件事務委員邱議瑩等25人擬具:「再生醫療法草案案件事務委員邱議瑩等25人擬具:「再生醫療法草案案件事務委員邱議瑩等25人擬具:「再生醫療法草案案件事務委員邱議瑩等25人擬具:「再生醫療法草案案件事務委\n他必須依比例來去加重他的刑罰那我們最近的討論偏向持有但是其實我們必須要用比例原則把這個始作俑者或者是利用這樣子去謀利的這樣的做法來有更有效的去防範那第二個部分就是強化社區警示的部分\n我們看到這麼多的案件裡面我相信有很多是直接有被判定這個判罪的確定的那這些部分我認為過去對於這種被害人的保護我覺得不夠之外對於加害人我們對於加害人竟然沒有辦法做完整的防治機制沒有辦法去警示這個社區說有這樣子的加害人他在引誘他在拍攝幼童\n檢視系統及風險管控事項,請問衛福部有沒有這樣的規劃或這樣的想法?\n這部分從社區去做的話當然是一個方法不過因為從委員這一個來看的話我們都可以看得到增加最多的就是網路上面的現影像\n那如果是屬於這一類的話那社區要怎麼樣去做這種預防就會有一點困難那跟部長說明一下就經過定罪之後我們知道他是做拍攝他是做製作這樣子的猥褻的影片的我們知道這個人是誰的話那當然就可以警示說此人在這個社區在活動\n草案：一),委員羅廷瑋等21人擬具:「再生醫療法草案：一),委員羅廷瑋\n指用這樣子的馬上反應式的方式去修法所以我們也希望衛福部能夠提供我們更多的其他國家的這些相關的處置的方式那我當然知道是針對其他的這種性犯罪者有些國家是直接公佈其姓名還有公佈他的這些刑績在一些可以去搜尋到的政府網站\n但是我們現在面臨的挑戰是更多包含製作的散播的這些所以我還希望說衛福部能夠提供相關的一些資訊給我們作為之後的立法的參考那再來就是社工人力的部分那之前的凱凱案我想也已經發生了那我們希望說未來能夠再做嚇阻或者是說不要讓這種事情再發生是不是有可能採取不紡釋預告的社工紡釋基督\n這是本來就會有這樣子的一個機制現在只是說因為我們有許多的縣對一個個別的一個兒少的保護有幾樣的機制在進行那對這種脆弱家庭的話其實有各種不同的現在只是說這些要怎麼樣去整合起來\n草案：一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、\n每一個社工最多可以負責幾個案例,未來會不會有相關的更明確的方式來去制定?因為社工的工作齁,其實他差別很大啦。有一些只會處理這一個所謂的救濟的發放。\n有些保護性社工必須進入家庭,對於各種保護對象所面對的風險很高。不同的工作的社工,案件的比例會有不一樣。這當然我們都可以再來做一些檢討。\n邱議瑩等21人擬具:「再生醫療發展法草案案件事件事件事件事件事\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.509 --> 00:27.799\n員發言。」好,謝謝主席。那我們請部長。請薛部長。\n\n00:34.659 --> 00:35.641\n羅廷瑋等21人擬具:「再生醫療\n\n00:51.323 --> 01:16.041\n根據最新的兩年的統計包含兒童跟少年性剝削的這個通報的被害人其實這個數字是相當可怕的從兩個部分來看就利用兒童或少年為性交猥褻之行為以功能關懶的跟這個拍攝製造兒童或少年的性交或者是猥褻的這個部分\n\n01:17.142 --> 01:26.606\n邱議瑩等21人擬具:「再生醫療法草案：一),委員羅廷瑋等21人擬具:「再生醫療法草案：一),委員羅廷瑋等21人擬具:「再生醫療法草案：一),委員羅廷瑋等21人擬具:「再生醫療法草案：一),委員羅廷瑋等21人擬具:「再生醫療法草案：一),委員羅廷瑋等21人擬具:「再生醫療法草案：一),委員羅廷瑋等21人擬具:「再生醫療法草案：一),委員羅廷瑋等21人擬具:「再生醫療法草案：一),委員\n\n01:45.874 --> 01:57.318\n草案案件事務委員邱議瑩等25人擬具:「再生醫療法草案案件事務委員邱議瑩等25人擬具:「再生醫療法草案案件事務委員邱議瑩等25人擬具:「再生醫療法草案案件事務委員邱議瑩等25人擬具:「再生醫療法草案案件事務委員邱議瑩等25人擬具:「再生醫療法草案案件事務委員邱議瑩等25人擬具:「再生醫療法草案案件事務委員邱議瑩等25人擬具:「再生醫療法草案案件事務委員邱議瑩等25人擬具:「再生醫療法草案案件事務委\n\n02:14.304 --> 02:33.294\n他必須依比例來去加重他的刑罰那我們最近的討論偏向持有但是其實我們必須要用比例原則把這個始作俑者或者是利用這樣子去謀利的這樣的做法來有更有效的去防範那第二個部分就是強化社區警示的部分\n\n02:34.014 --> 03:02.244\n我們看到這麼多的案件裡面我相信有很多是直接有被判定這個判罪的確定的那這些部分我認為過去對於這種被害人的保護我覺得不夠之外對於加害人我們對於加害人竟然沒有辦法做完整的防治機制沒有辦法去警示這個社區說有這樣子的加害人他在引誘他在拍攝幼童\n\n03:02.824 --> 03:03.925\n檢視系統及風險管控事項,請問衛福部有沒有這樣的規劃或這樣的想法?\n\n03:21.466 --> 03:36.874\n這部分從社區去做的話當然是一個方法不過因為從委員這一個來看的話我們都可以看得到增加最多的就是網路上面的現影像\n\n03:37.774 --> 04:01.049\n那如果是屬於這一類的話那社區要怎麼樣去做這種預防就會有一點困難那跟部長說明一下就經過定罪之後我們知道他是做拍攝他是做製作這樣子的猥褻的影片的我們知道這個人是誰的話那當然就可以警示說此人在這個社區在活動\n\n04:01.749 --> 04:02.409\n草案：一),委員羅廷瑋等21人擬具:「再生醫療法草案：一),委員羅廷瑋\n\n04:20.737 --> 04:40.535\n指用這樣子的馬上反應式的方式去修法所以我們也希望衛福部能夠提供我們更多的其他國家的這些相關的處置的方式那我當然知道是針對其他的這種性犯罪者有些國家是直接公佈其姓名還有公佈他的這些刑績在一些可以去搜尋到的政府網站\n\n04:41.155 --> 05:06.682\n但是我們現在面臨的挑戰是更多包含製作的散播的這些所以我還希望說衛福部能夠提供相關的一些資訊給我們作為之後的立法的參考那再來就是社工人力的部分那之前的凱凱案我想也已經發生了那我們希望說未來能夠再做嚇阻或者是說不要讓這種事情再發生是不是有可能採取不紡釋預告的社工紡釋基督\n\n05:07.562 --> 05:29.242\n這是本來就會有這樣子的一個機制現在只是說因為我們有許多的縣對一個個別的一個兒少的保護有幾樣的機制在進行那對這種脆弱家庭的話其實有各種不同的現在只是說這些要怎麼樣去整合起來\n\n05:30.143 --> 05:41.107\n草案：一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、\n\n05:55.031 --> 06:11.090\n每一個社工最多可以負責幾個案例,未來會不會有相關的更明確的方式來去制定?因為社工的工作齁,其實他差別很大啦。有一些只會處理這一個所謂的救濟的發放。\n\n06:12.231 --> 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