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教師評審委員會評議後，由學校依有關法令規定處理。」即教師應依照規定作為或不作為，而非僅是宣導性及引導作用。相比之下，法官法未有專項條文列舉法官之義務，而是在第13條第2項規定法官應遵守法官倫理規範，其內容由司法院徵詢全國法官代表意見定之。另外，在第30條第2項第7款中提到，違反法官倫理規範情節重大者應付個案評鑑。法官法採取授權子法另定「倫理規範」取代法律明定「義務」的方式。為回應各界期待，明確教師行為守則規範，建議主管機關可以整合教師法規定之「義務」及前述「終身學習的教師圖像」、「中華民國教師專業素養指引」等相關規範，訂定教師行為守則；在立法體例上，並建議參考法官法之方式，於教師法明定教師應遵守教師行為守則，並授權子法另定之；又有關違反教師行為守則之處罰機制亦應於教師法一併規定。","議題二：職場設置托兒設施相關問題","案由：","‧臺灣面臨少子化危機，有立法委員指出，勞動部鼓勵雇主設置托兒設施並提供補助，但誘因明顯不足，私部門設置狀況不理想。三項困難如下：","➢托兒設施設置率低：許多公司未設置托兒設施，主要原因包括缺乏空間、送托的員工需到家附近的設施或保母處、缺乏經費預算等。","➢私立托育機構人力短缺：私立托育機構的教保服務人員薪資通常較低，難以招募和保留足夠的人力，造成人力不足的問題。","➢立案流程繁瑣：事業單位缺乏幼教托育專業，對於托兒設施的立案流程感到困難和不願意設置。","‧查勞動部網站，僱用管理就業平等概況調查，沒有設立的理由以「沒有空間設立」占34.1%為最多，「員工送托住家附近托兒服務機構或保母」占32.1%，「沒有經費預算」占10.6%。","‧日本自2016年起推動「企業主導型保育所」新制，以鼓勵企業設置托兒設施。政府提供高額補助，合理化保育所設置條件，並協調民間托育組織接受企業委託，解決人力與營運管理問題。政府補助規定，保育所的開辦費75%由政府負擔，日常營運費則依企業規模補助5%到9%不等。另外，保育所設置條件方面，由於都會高樓難以設置一樓保育所，特別規定允許在高樓設置，但需符合嚴格配套條件，例如必須設置在逃生樓梯附近，並有符合防火排煙標準的「等待空間」，確保安全避難。例如，東京都新宿區的LINE公司的保育所就設在十五樓。","‧韓國根據其幼兒保育法第14條第1項規定，經營規模超過一定標準的企業應設置工作場所托兒設施。若企業無法獨立設置，則應與其他企業共同設置或與當地托兒中心簽訂托兒服務委託合約。根據法律第14條之2第2項規定，對拒不履行前述義務的企業可採取公告企業名稱的措施。","‧相較之下，英、美、歐洲等國雖未強制要求事業單位設置托兒設施，但透過賦稅或民間協力等方式解決托兒問題。例如荷蘭依兒童保育及學齡前班品質要求法要求企業繳交托育稅以支付育兒津貼，英國則實施兒童托育免稅政策，而美國則由工會或非營利組織協助員工安排托兒事宜。","爰請教育部針對下列問題回應。","1.研議訂定罰則或增加誘因：雖然性別平等工作法第23條要求僱用100人以上的雇主應設置托兒設施或提供適當的托兒措施，但該法對違反此義務的處罰規定專章卻並不存在，導致這一規定僅是一種指引性的規定，缺乏強制力。有觀點認為，只有明確規定罰則才能有效推動這項政策。或教育部可透過誘因配套等，以補助方式、減稅方式等，來推動私部門增設幼兒場所。","2.研議鬆綁樓層空間相關限制：根據勞動部的調查統計，許多事業單位未能設置托兒設施的主要理由是「沒有足夠的空間」，這主要是因為現行法律對於樓層使用的限制。根據幼兒園及其分班基本設施設備標準第6條規定，幼兒園及其分班應優先使用地面層一樓，若面積不足則可使用二樓，但不得使用四樓以上。雖然對於托兒設施的場地有所放寬，但根據法規第3條第5項的規定，仍然限制在使用地面層一樓至三樓。考慮到都會區內低樓層主要用於商業用途且地價昂貴，建議參考日本的立法例，放寬樓層使用的相關限制，同時採取嚴格的配套措施，以確保幼兒的安全並解決事業單位選址托兒設施的困難。","議題三：沒人想當學校主任，教育部應祭出配套措施。","案由：","‧親子天下112年12月一篇專題探討，願意兼行政的老師愈來愈少，校園每年暑假上演「行政大逃亡」。難解的行政人才荒，會影響學校的運作與教學！","‧專題重點：","➢教師普遍不願接受行政工作，導致候用主任甄選人數逐年減少。","➢行政工作的吸引力下滑原因包括行政工作與教學工作性質不同、新興教育政策增加行政負擔等因素。","➢行政荒對學校運作和教學品質造成影響，如無法開設新課程等問題。","➢如何培養適合的人才擔任領導管理職位，是改善行政荒的重要途徑之一。","➢新興教育政策的增加，如一○八課綱、雙語教育、本土語言教育、性別平等和霸凌防制等，使得行政工作的負擔增加，但相應的行政加給並未提高。","➢家長和學生對權利的意識提高，遇到問題時更傾向於向主任、組長投訴。","爰請教育部針對下列問題回應。","1.請教育部提出相應的措施與對策，以解決學校面臨無人擔任主任問題。","2.請教育部提供108至112年，公立學校擔任相關主任職務流動率，及候用主任甄選人數。","議題四：教育部研擬校園無障礙設施設置要點法源依據適切與擴大範圍","案由：","‧教育部112年7月頒布《公立高級中等以下學校及特殊教育學校無障礙設施設備設置要點》（下稱本要點），針對校園無障礙空間訂出基本標準及規範。但有民代指出，部分國小無障礙空間規劃設計有多項不合理，如廁所馬桶扶手位置不佳、淋浴間無止滑墊、電梯對講機過高等，質疑無障礙做半套，身障人士難完全運用。","‧本要點法源依據為《身心障礙者權益保障法》第57條第2項。然而，關於無障礙校園環境之建立，《特殊教育法》第38條（原條次為第33條）亦有規範，依該條第1項規定：「學校及幼兒園應依身心障礙學生及幼兒之教育需求，提供下列支持服務：……七、校園無障礙環境。……。」該條第3項並授權訂定辦法。依該條項授權訂定之《身心障礙學生支持服務辦法》第10條也規定：「學校（園）及機構應依本法第三十三條第一項第六款及相關法規規定，配合身心障礙學生之需求，建立或改善整體性之設施設備，營造校園無障礙環境。（第1項）學校（園）及機構辦理相關活動，應考量身心障礙學生參與之需求，營造最少限制環境，包括調整活動內容與進行方式、規劃適當動線、提供輔具、人力支援及危機處理方案等相關措施，以支持身心障礙學生參與各項活動。（第2項）」檢視其條文內容較屬於原則性規定。相較前開辦法內容，依《身心障礙者權益保障法》第57條第2項訂定之現行本要點，其規定校園之無障礙設施設備，是屬於消弭物理障礙之細節性、技術性規定。例如規定適用或參照建築技術規則、無障礙住宅設計基準及獎勵辦法及建築物無障礙設施設計規範等（第2點）；對於廁所小便器亦有詳盡的規定（第6點）。因此，本要點若能併同納入《特殊教育法》第38條作為法源依據，將可兼顧原則性與細節性的規範，並連結相關規範使相關法制層面更加調和。","‧本要點所規範場所為「公共建築物及活動場所」，並限縮為「公立高級中等以下學校及特殊教育學校」範圍內，尚未涵蓋私立學校及幼兒園。","爰請教育部針對下列問題回應。","1.《公立高級中等以下學校及特殊教育學校無障礙設施設備設置要點》之法源依據，應評估增訂納入《特殊教育法》，以資周延。","2.建議評估修改要點名稱為《學校及幼兒園無障礙設施設備設置要點》，並擴大適用範圍涵蓋所有公私立學校及幼兒園。"],["委員牛煦庭書面質詢：","少子女對策計畫對2到6歲（未滿）幼兒教育與照顧明定應以擴展公共化教保供應量為政策主軸，但根據衛生福利部社會及家庭署CRC資訊網站，有關目前最新111學年度幼兒園概況統計資料顯示，公立幼兒園數量占比為33%，準公共化幼兒園數量占比為28%，公立幼兒園占比僅略高於準公化幼兒園5%。","經查，就讀幼兒園的人數，就讀準公共化幼兒園人數為17萬6,582人，高於公立幼兒園就讀人數14萬9,517人，以人數上或比例上而言，準公共化幼兒園機制反而成為提供平價教保之主要來源。","再以107-113年擴大公共化幼兒園與準公共化機制的經費觀之，112年度準公共化機制預算編列是125億3,200萬元，已超過了擴大公共化幼兒園預算124億350萬元，從投入經費資源顯示，準公共化機制反而成為政府推行平價教保主要政策。","資料來源:彙整自教育部國民及學前教育署提供資料；衛生福利部社會及家庭署CRC資訊網站","綜合上開前兩項表格統計數據，可得知從107到111學年度政府針對公立幼兒園經費投入，分別是20.6億元、53.8億元、70.4億元、97億元、111億元，惟公立幼兒園數在此期間僅增加122所，以107學年度20.6億元經費為基準，111學年度經費為111億元，","近年教育部投入經費增加5倍之多，惟公立幼兒園增加率僅5.9%，擴大公共化幼兒園政策執行成效恐有不彰，請教育部對此提出說明。","再者，準公共化機制應僅是輔助性政策，為公共化教保之過渡性階段，不應取代公共化幼兒園成為主要政策，否則尚有本末倒置之嫌。且政府與其投入大量經費至準公共機制，不如將該筆大量經費（107-112學年度共計423億元）投入至公共化幼兒園的建置，方為正本清源之道，試問教育部有設法提升公立與非營利幼兒園數量之對策或規劃嗎？請提出相關說明。","前述提到政府編列大量預算至準公幼，應有相應監督機制，以確保其教保的服務品質。惟根據109年全國教師公會總聯合會「六都直轄市準公幼違規數據」，全國1,299所準公幼，六都直轄市有724所，佔全國56%，發現最高違規比例竟高達31%。截至今日，六都準公幼違規比例仍有一成之多。","根據全國教保網至今最新裁罰紀錄資料彙整統計","私立幼兒園與政府簽約且接受大量政府補助成為準公幼，其合法性程度之要求應比照公幼與非營利幼兒園，幼托品質應一同監管，惟依據前述數據資料統計顯示，準公幼違規之比例仍有一成之多，最常見之違規原因包含聘用不合格教保人員、巧立名目超收學費、超收幼生、師生比例不合等情況，上述種種問題都顯示準公幼服務品質有待加強，請教育部回答準公幼違規問題有何解決方案或處遇措施。"],["委員陳冠廷書面質詢：","議程：邀請教育部列席就「『擴大幼兒教保公共化』成效及未來策略」進行專題報告，並備質詢。（4月10日及11日二天一次會）","一、非營利幼兒園師資福利","（教育部）部長，我們嘉義縣的公幼已經連續三年出現缺額狀況（3,484、3,868、4,141），撇除少子化影響，非營利、準公共幼兒園的落差也沒有像公幼那麼大。","部長，不要說嘉義，就連六都的台南、高雄也都都發生公幼、非營利或準公共招生兩樣情的狀況，你覺得原因是什麼？我想，當然是非營利、準公共幼兒園的上下課作息，比較能配合雙薪家長的上下班時間。","在這邊，我先肯定教育部今年拿出魄力補貼公幼延托、寒暑假加托費用。這項政策不但大大減輕家長負擔，也同時保障公幼老師的薪資福利。而後續是否會吸引家長重新選擇公幼，我們也待時間拉長繼續觀察。","但我要強調的是，大眾在討論幼兒園現場狀況時，目標往往關注在招生不足的公幼，或是有退場壓力的準公共化幼兒園，卻忽略了非營利幼兒園。不知道部長有沒有發現，非營利幼兒園才是真正的未爆彈。","非營利幼兒園師資福利不彰、壓力大是普遍現象，如果我們不在制度上支持老師，那要怎麼期待老師們能在現場奉獻教育熱忱？","我要提醒，非營利幼兒園在政府評鑑上受到比公幼還嚴格的監督，甚至在補助計畫出來之前，就領先提供課後延托。","這些都是老師行政、課務負擔加重的來源，但非營利師資薪級福利保障卻不如公幼，往往導致課後留園的教師很有可能要超時工作，甚至在週末打學生的週誌報告來符合評鑑工作。他們卻往往無法對應到公幼教師的福利。","我並非指公幼老師比較輕鬆，但一樣都是政府資助監督，非營利幼兒園相較公幼多出許多評鑑工作要做，我認為在師資福利的保障上就至少應該讓非營利幼兒園拉齊公幼，又或者在師資人員聘用上，給園長更多的彈性。","千萬不能又要馬兒好又要馬兒不吃草。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00:02:08,905\n那再來的話這些提出研究中心的這一些呢其實後續都有其他我舉個例子啦我舉個例子像無人機啊無人機是不是未來的一個國家重點的一個領域無人機的一個研究應該也算嘛對不對但是我們看到事實上國發會在編預算的時候現在在做無人機研究或者是飛機修理比較好的學校我想大家都都知道啦\n\n7\n00:02:11,465 --> 00:02:11,985\n蔡易餘執行長\n\n8\n00:02:41,658 --> 00:03:04,495\n是委託高雄大學在做的體育署這個選手前進半導體的培訓計畫讓選手可以這個計畫很好啦事實上他就讓選手可以他們參加這個體育的訓練但是他們也同時去受到這個半導體的一個相關的前期訓練讓他們結束選手生涯後可以直接有進入職場對不對那像這樣半導體也應該是國家的一個重點領域啊\n\n9\n00:03:10,779 --> 00:03:36,140\n但是我們看到看起來啦我們非常重視傳統的名校那對於現在有一些新興的學校他們在某一些科系然後事實上是搭配的現在我們國家的這個整個產業佈局他們正在努力的時候哇這部分他們沒有沒辦法讓這個國發的這個基金這裡被重視到有沒有這樣的狀況嗯\n\n10\n00:03:40,202 --> 00:04:09,582\n根文報告其實這個因為是後來是補助到學校那會由學校來提出申請那當然會考慮到學校的相關的他的師資、設備、人才等等所以經過專家審查以後覺得國家應該把這筆錢補助他們是這樣子來的是啊但是你看起來這些學校幾乎都是落債我剛所列舉的這個今年度有補助的11個學校裡面就有超過6家在台北\n\n11\n00:04:10,928 --> 00:04:39,502\n那南部大概就只有成功大學跟中山大學嘛那我們南部真的對研究這方面就比較隱瞞嗎?應該也不是這樣吧?我覺得這還是在資源上的分配還是有所謂的南北差距或者是城鄉差距委員真的沒有,這純粹是一個競爭型計畫然後純粹是用這個專業的是啊,如果競爭型這個落下起來看起來就是比較厲害我覺得國家資源這樣好像就是大者恆大嘛\n\n12\n00:04:40,282 --> 00:04:42,424\n我很關心這個南北平衡大學資源的這個共享共榮這個有必要我們有必要的時候我們在韓那相關很前進的很努力的校園\n\n13\n00:05:09,366 --> 00:05:27,661\n好那我再講第二個議題抱歉這個主席再給我一分鐘就是我延續我剛剛講的體育署的這個選手前進半導體培訓計畫那目前你們是委託給高雄大學去執行那他大概去媒合半導體公司上他也媒合了好幾家但是現在我聽到的一個普遍狀況就是說你們這個計畫是指大學畢業後\n\n14\n00:05:31,196 --> 00:05:44,344\n大學畢業後才讓他去受半好體的一些課程但是如果你是針對這些體育系的學生為什麼你們不能用類似專班的方式讓他們在大學期間就可以開始修這些學分\n\n15\n00:05:45,735 --> 00:06:05,380\n因為畢竟他們從事的除了體育的項目之外除了他們要保持他們的體能的強迫他們一定是有時間可以修到一些基本的一些學分的學習的所以如果在大學的時候就可以開始受到這樣的學分一旦他們畢業後他們沒有機會進入變成國手沒有機會變成教練他們馬上要去職場的話他們可以無縫接軌\n\n16\n00:06:11,241 --> 00:06:14,424\n所以我覺得這個計畫可不可以有機會我們再來討論一下我是覺得可以這個整個計畫不要把它只綁定在這些選手畢業後應該在他們大學期間就可以開始做從事這樣的一個準備\n\n17\n00:06:27,751 --> 00:06:31,355\n跟委員報告,因為這個計畫我們主要是針對退役選手啦,他之後之後可能有一些多元的一些選擇所以這個部分,之後針對委員這邊所提到的這樣的建議,我們是不是再來做一個討論退役選手啦,事實上有一些選手,事實上一直待下去,差不多大一、大二過後他大概也知道\n\n18\n00:06:50,015 --> 00:06:50,275\nOK謝謝謝謝委員\n\n19\n00:07:20,882 --> 00:07:22,551\n好謝謝蔡易餘委員也謝謝次長\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n9181\t9341\t委員委員\n20558\t39686\t好 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