{"id":151020,"url":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/151020","video_url":"https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/871d5246fb87948e8080e7d9a44adea9533009c4a7c43105f8ba9b0039caa7a6dff2cd48d5fb68765ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8","委員名稱":"王育敏","委員發言時間":"10:01:39 - 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00:01:32,481\n但是我現在看到的是好像衛福部、述發部跟法務部你們橫向的溝通聯繫是不是有困難?這幾天你們有開過會嗎?有針對這個問題去做一些討論嗎?該委員報告目前實務上面在做這個封網的大概有兩個方法第一個就是有了一個行政處分要他去下架他沒有下架才用封網\n\n5\n00:01:33,762 --> 00:01:54,977\n第二、檢察官在查涉及到刑事的時候,可以做扣押,等於說做為證據,扣押下來做為證據,就可以把它封掉。目前這兩個部分的話,因為第一個部分它是兩階段,要先做行政處分,要求它下架。\n\n6\n00:01:55,657 --> 00:02:09,841\n福利及衛生環境委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全\n\n7\n00:02:12,442 --> 00:02:30,417\n所以我們因為那個有關於這個現影像的這個部分的話還有這個我記得中檢是不是還沒有還沒有那個還沒有結案北檢北檢還沒有結案所以事實上是可以做所以我們現在會跟法務部這邊來討論\n\n8\n00:02:32,058 --> 00:02:56,743\n現在已經可以做嗎?對不對?已經很確定嗎?這一個論壇就是有在販賣這樣的兒少的性剝削的相關影片嗎?不過委員剛剛有提到說要修法,我是建議當然我們這邊也會努力,未來修法的時候對這一種網站,兒少的性影像的網站的話是架設到國外的話,\n\n9\n00:02:58,038 --> 00:03:01,099\n福利及衛生環境委員會第11屆第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會\n\n10\n00:03:23,510 --> 00:03:50,798\n我非常同意,就是未來在修法一個是加重,因為這次緩行大家都輿論嘩然第二個就是你剛剛講的賦予主管機關你一旦得知發現你就可以即時啟動進行相關的封網的動作我覺得這個才可以真正去阻斷而且你這樣子比較強力的行政的介入我覺得才能保護到這些耳哨所以我也很支持部長剛剛提的這個修法方向我們一起來努力\n\n11\n00:03:51,318 --> 00:04:00,083\n福利及衛生環境委員會第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第6會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第8會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第9會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第10會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第11會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12會期社會福利及�\n\n12\n00:04:11,590 --> 00:04:19,995\n福利及衛生環境委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次\n\n13\n00:04:37,004 --> 00:05:00,001\n一次食品中毒事件處理要點裡面中央你們這邊規範的中毒人數要達到50人或以上者然後才會介入調查或者是配合介入調查當中去熱定他停業那這個50人當時是怎麼定的我覺得現在國人對於食安的標準越來越嚴格你可以看到我左邊列出來的\n\n14\n00:05:01,102 --> 00:05:26,402\n新北這一團去台南那邊吃完東西之後是25人那25人也沒有達到你這個標準如果今天這25人媒體沒有報導的話請問他有符合你下面說社會大眾關注事件媒體沒有報社會大眾就不關注囉那是不是就不用啟動這個調查也沒有辦法去勒令他停業這個標準是不是太寬鬆了\n\n15\n00:05:27,102 --> 00:05:37,437\n因為最近大家在檢討保齡餐廳事件的時候認為臺北市的這個6人太寬鬆那中央這個50人之前定的這個50人不是更寬鬆嗎\n\n16\n00:05:39,618 --> 00:06:01,075\n呃跟我們報告大概第一個齁那一個說14萬人那個應該是錯誤是不是沒有通報那麼多人有問題我這邊的數據是這樣是多少去年一整年的話是633件然後人數是5000差不多5200人那今年齁到目前為止齁那是446件然後人數是2500500人\n\n17\n00:06:05,879 --> 00:06:34,237\n所以有比去年高,如果同期比較的話我覺得是有偏高有可能受到保齡事件影響但有可能真的中毒事件變多民眾勇於通報至於委員在提到說這個50人或幾人像說臺北市它是有一個6人新北市10人這是地方政府制定的但是它的牽涉是這樣子如果有這麼多人的時候是達成所謂的田業的標準\n\n18\n00:06:36,637 --> 00:06:53,811\n這個就有一點點麻煩了因為比方說今天這個餐廳來訂了一桌是10個人吃了10個都中毒結果他要停業但是同樣的餐廳來了6個人訂了一桌6個人都中毒5個人都中毒不用停業\n\n19\n00:06:55,092 --> 00:07:18,742\n但是事實上他所做的行為是一樣的所以他會產生一些可能在公平性的一些問題我想最後我們的想法在未來要做的一件事倒不是說要去處理這個幾人幾人的問題是嚴重的植物中毒事件比如說有死亡有進ICU的\n\n20\n00:07:19,983 --> 00:07:27,716\n這部分的話要怎麼樣快速的匯集資料那把這一個案子建立起來之後的話那就不管幾人就是\n\n21\n00:07:29,316 --> 00:07:34,722\n草案案件事宜及衛生福利及衛生福利及衛生福利及衛生福利及衛生福利及衛生福利及衛生福利及衛生福\n\n22\n00:07:50,319 --> 00:07:51,060\n草案：一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查\n\n23\n00:08:08,217 --> 00:08:23,480\n福利及衛生環境委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全\n\n24\n00:08:35,623 --> 00:09:02,738\n其實是有點你們中央定了這個標準之後地方你是授權那各自定各自的我覺得食安應該是一個標準就像你剛剛在講重大的這一個部分應該規範一個標準那其他的集體的就是出現這一種不是或是上吐下瀉的這一種也應該要有一個標準才對我希望你們回去之後再討論一下因為食安不應該是一國多制啦我覺得應該就是只有一國一制啦沒有一國多制啦\n\n25\n00:09:03,018 --> 00:09:19,987\n就是那個SOP可不可以讓它是更清晰我真的覺得最近的這個食安事件有點多啦那要去理解是為什麼是大家敏感度增加的多還是說因為環境在改變就像這一次我們過去台灣根本不會有這一個邦克列酸\n\n26\n00:09:20,447 --> 00:09:22,649\n福利及衛生環境委員會第11屆第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會\n\n27\n00:09:51,128 --> 00:09:53,749\n醫療法草案案件事宜、審判案件事宜、審判案件事宜、審判案件事宜、審判案件事\n\n28\n00:10:09,620 --> 00:10:27,353\n大家可能在生技公司法說會也特別去放大或者是不實然後就是為了去謀求他公司的營運我覺得過度都不好這樣過去我們看到健康食品過度的廣告這都是錯的再生醫療我要提醒這個衛福部一點就是說未來會不會因為這個法廣告亂象重生過度膨脹\n\n29\n00:10:34,118 --> 00:10:45,582\n草案誤導了這個病人。我覺得這個部分是中央機關應該要強力去把關。這在我們的草案裡面有。對於廣告的管理。那將來就一定要好好去落實。好不好?謝謝。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5847\t27994\t謝謝主席,主席我們是不是有請薛部長還有法務部還有這個數位發展部請法務部汪參氏還有數位發展部林副署長部長好,部長我要先就教你這個有關於兒少性剝削的議題這一個偷拍的論壇創意私訪\n29995\t30556\t草案案件事務委員委員會主席\n39175\t45379\t那卡在哪裡法務部也在書發部也在你們現在問題到底在哪裡從4月4號這個媒體報導傳出來到現在也已經好幾天了那我們要去阻斷這一些不當的對於兒少性剝削的影像的散佈我覺得最關鍵的是在這個網路上面可以盡快的讓他下架或者是封網讓這樣子的一個不當資訊沒有管道繼續再散播繼續對這一些未成年造成傷害\n67734\t92481\t但是我現在看到的是好像衛福部、述發部跟法務部你們橫向的溝通聯繫是不是有困難?這幾天你們有開過會嗎?有針對這個問題去做一些討論嗎?該委員報告目前實務上面在做這個封網的大概有兩個方法第一個就是有了一個行政處分要他去下架他沒有下架才用封網\n93762\t114977\t第二、檢察官在查涉及到刑事的時候,可以做扣押,等於說做為證據,扣押下來做為證據,就可以把它封掉。目前這兩個部分的話,因為第一個部分它是兩階段,要先做行政處分,要求它下架。\n115657\t129841\t福利及衛生環境委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全\n132442\t150417\t所以我們因為那個有關於這個現影像的這個部分的話還有這個我記得中檢是不是還沒有還沒有那個還沒有結案北檢北檢還沒有結案所以事實上是可以做所以我們現在會跟法務部這邊來討論\n152058\t176743\t現在已經可以做嗎?對不對?已經很確定嗎?這一個論壇就是有在販賣這樣的兒少的性剝削的相關影片嗎?不過委員剛剛有提到說要修法,我是建議當然我們這邊也會努力,未來修法的時候對這一種網站,兒少的性影像的網站的話是架設到國外的話,\n178038\t181099\t福利及衛生環境委員會第11屆第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會\n203510\t230798\t我非常同意,就是未來在修法一個是加重,因為這次緩行大家都輿論嘩然第二個就是你剛剛講的賦予主管機關你一旦得知發現你就可以即時啟動進行相關的封網的動作我覺得這個才可以真正去阻斷而且你這樣子比較強力的行政的介入我覺得才能保護到這些耳哨所以我也很支持部長剛剛提的這個修法方向我們一起來努力\n231318\t240083\t福利及衛生環境委員會第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第6會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第8會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第9會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第10會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第11會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12會期社會福利及�\n251590\t259995\t福利及衛生環境委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次\n277004\t300001\t一次食品中毒事件處理要點裡面中央你們這邊規範的中毒人數要達到50人或以上者然後才會介入調查或者是配合介入調查當中去熱定他停業那這個50人當時是怎麼定的我覺得現在國人對於食安的標準越來越嚴格你可以看到我左邊列出來的\n301102\t326402\t新北這一團去台南那邊吃完東西之後是25人那25人也沒有達到你這個標準如果今天這25人媒體沒有報導的話請問他有符合你下面說社會大眾關注事件媒體沒有報社會大眾就不關注囉那是不是就不用啟動這個調查也沒有辦法去勒令他停業這個標準是不是太寬鬆了\n327102\t337437\t因為最近大家在檢討保齡餐廳事件的時候認為臺北市的這個6人太寬鬆那中央這個50人之前定的這個50人不是更寬鬆嗎\n339618\t361075\t呃跟我們報告大概第一個齁那一個說14萬人那個應該是錯誤是不是沒有通報那麼多人有問題我這邊的數據是這樣是多少去年一整年的話是633件然後人數是5000差不多5200人那今年齁到目前為止齁那是446件然後人數是2500500人\n365879\t394237\t所以有比去年高,如果同期比較的話我覺得是有偏高有可能受到保齡事件影響但有可能真的中毒事件變多民眾勇於通報至於委員在提到說這個50人或幾人像說臺北市它是有一個6人新北市10人這是地方政府制定的但是它的牽涉是這樣子如果有這麼多人的時候是達成所謂的田業的標準\n396637\t413811\t這個就有一點點麻煩了因為比方說今天這個餐廳來訂了一桌是10個人吃了10個都中毒結果他要停業但是同樣的餐廳來了6個人訂了一桌6個人都中毒5個人都中毒不用停業\n415092\t438742\t但是事實上他所做的行為是一樣的所以他會產生一些可能在公平性的一些問題我想最後我們的想法在未來要做的一件事倒不是說要去處理這個幾人幾人的問題是嚴重的植物中毒事件比如說有死亡有進ICU的\n439983\t447716\t這部分的話要怎麼樣快速的匯集資料那把這一個案子建立起來之後的話那就不管幾人就是\n449316\t454722\t草案案件事宜及衛生福利及衛生福利及衛生福利及衛生福利及衛生福利及衛生福利及衛生福利及衛生福\n470319\t471060\t草案：一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查\n488217\t503480\t福利及衛生環境委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全\n515623\t542738\t其實是有點你們中央定了這個標準之後地方你是授權那各自定各自的我覺得食安應該是一個標準就像你剛剛在講重大的這一個部分應該規範一個標準那其他的集體的就是出現這一種不是或是上吐下瀉的這一種也應該要有一個標準才對我希望你們回去之後再討論一下因為食安不應該是一國多制啦我覺得應該就是只有一國一制啦沒有一國多制啦\n543018\t559987\t就是那個SOP可不可以讓它是更清晰我真的覺得最近的這個食安事件有點多啦那要去理解是為什麼是大家敏感度增加的多還是說因為環境在改變就像這一次我們過去台灣根本不會有這一個邦克列酸\n560447\t562649\t福利及衛生環境委員會第11屆第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會\n591128\t593749\t醫療法草案案件事宜、審判案件事宜、審判案件事宜、審判案件事宜、審判案件事\n609620\t627353\t大家可能在生技公司法說會也特別去放大或者是不實然後就是為了去謀求他公司的營運我覺得過度都不好這樣過去我們看到健康食品過度的廣告這都是錯的再生醫療我要提醒這個衛福部一點就是說未來會不會因為這個法廣告亂象重生過度膨脹\n634118\t645582\t草案 誤導了這個病人。我覺得這個部分是中央機關應該要強力去把關。這在我們的草案裡面有。對於廣告的管理。那將來就一定要好好去落實。好不好?謝謝。\n","txt":"謝謝主席,主席我們是不是有請薛部長還有法務部還有這個數位發展部請法務部汪參氏還有數位發展部林副署長部長好,部長我要先就教你這個有關於兒少性剝削的議題這一個偷拍的論壇創意私訪\n草案案件事務委員委員會主席\n那卡在哪裡法務部也在書發部也在你們現在問題到底在哪裡從4月4號這個媒體報導傳出來到現在也已經好幾天了那我們要去阻斷這一些不當的對於兒少性剝削的影像的散佈我覺得最關鍵的是在這個網路上面可以盡快的讓他下架或者是封網讓這樣子的一個不當資訊沒有管道繼續再散播繼續對這一些未成年造成傷害\n但是我現在看到的是好像衛福部、述發部跟法務部你們橫向的溝通聯繫是不是有困難?這幾天你們有開過會嗎?有針對這個問題去做一些討論嗎?該委員報告目前實務上面在做這個封網的大概有兩個方法第一個就是有了一個行政處分要他去下架他沒有下架才用封網\n第二、檢察官在查涉及到刑事的時候,可以做扣押,等於說做為證據,扣押下來做為證據,就可以把它封掉。目前這兩個部分的話,因為第一個部分它是兩階段,要先做行政處分,要求它下架。\n福利及衛生環境委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全\n所以我們因為那個有關於這個現影像的這個部分的話還有這個我記得中檢是不是還沒有還沒有那個還沒有結案北檢北檢還沒有結案所以事實上是可以做所以我們現在會跟法務部這邊來討論\n現在已經可以做嗎?對不對?已經很確定嗎?這一個論壇就是有在販賣這樣的兒少的性剝削的相關影片嗎?不過委員剛剛有提到說要修法,我是建議當然我們這邊也會努力,未來修法的時候對這一種網站,兒少的性影像的網站的話是架設到國外的話,\n福利及衛生環境委員會第11屆第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會\n我非常同意,就是未來在修法一個是加重,因為這次緩行大家都輿論嘩然第二個就是你剛剛講的賦予主管機關你一旦得知發現你就可以即時啟動進行相關的封網的動作我覺得這個才可以真正去阻斷而且你這樣子比較強力的行政的介入我覺得才能保護到這些耳哨所以我也很支持部長剛剛提的這個修法方向我們一起來努力\n福利及衛生環境委員會第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第6會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第8會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第9會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第10會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第11會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12會期社會福利及�\n福利及衛生環境委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次\n一次食品中毒事件處理要點裡面中央你們這邊規範的中毒人數要達到50人或以上者然後才會介入調查或者是配合介入調查當中去熱定他停業那這個50人當時是怎麼定的我覺得現在國人對於食安的標準越來越嚴格你可以看到我左邊列出來的\n新北這一團去台南那邊吃完東西之後是25人那25人也沒有達到你這個標準如果今天這25人媒體沒有報導的話請問他有符合你下面說社會大眾關注事件媒體沒有報社會大眾就不關注囉那是不是就不用啟動這個調查也沒有辦法去勒令他停業這個標準是不是太寬鬆了\n因為最近大家在檢討保齡餐廳事件的時候認為臺北市的這個6人太寬鬆那中央這個50人之前定的這個50人不是更寬鬆嗎\n呃跟我們報告大概第一個齁那一個說14萬人那個應該是錯誤是不是沒有通報那麼多人有問題我這邊的數據是這樣是多少去年一整年的話是633件然後人數是5000差不多5200人那今年齁到目前為止齁那是446件然後人數是2500500人\n所以有比去年高,如果同期比較的話我覺得是有偏高有可能受到保齡事件影響但有可能真的中毒事件變多民眾勇於通報至於委員在提到說這個50人或幾人像說臺北市它是有一個6人新北市10人這是地方政府制定的但是它的牽涉是這樣子如果有這麼多人的時候是達成所謂的田業的標準\n這個就有一點點麻煩了因為比方說今天這個餐廳來訂了一桌是10個人吃了10個都中毒結果他要停業但是同樣的餐廳來了6個人訂了一桌6個人都中毒5個人都中毒不用停業\n但是事實上他所做的行為是一樣的所以他會產生一些可能在公平性的一些問題我想最後我們的想法在未來要做的一件事倒不是說要去處理這個幾人幾人的問題是嚴重的植物中毒事件比如說有死亡有進ICU的\n這部分的話要怎麼樣快速的匯集資料那把這一個案子建立起來之後的話那就不管幾人就是\n草案案件事宜及衛生福利及衛生福利及衛生福利及衛生福利及衛生福利及衛生福利及衛生福利及衛生福\n草案：一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查\n福利及衛生環境委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全\n其實是有點你們中央定了這個標準之後地方你是授權那各自定各自的我覺得食安應該是一個標準就像你剛剛在講重大的這一個部分應該規範一個標準那其他的集體的就是出現這一種不是或是上吐下瀉的這一種也應該要有一個標準才對我希望你們回去之後再討論一下因為食安不應該是一國多制啦我覺得應該就是只有一國一制啦沒有一國多制啦\n就是那個SOP可不可以讓它是更清晰我真的覺得最近的這個食安事件有點多啦那要去理解是為什麼是大家敏感度增加的多還是說因為環境在改變就像這一次我們過去台灣根本不會有這一個邦克列酸\n福利及衛生環境委員會第11屆第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會\n醫療法草案案件事宜、審判案件事宜、審判案件事宜、審判案件事宜、審判案件事\n大家可能在生技公司法說會也特別去放大或者是不實然後就是為了去謀求他公司的營運我覺得過度都不好這樣過去我們看到健康食品過度的廣告這都是錯的再生醫療我要提醒這個衛福部一點就是說未來會不會因為這個法廣告亂象重生過度膨脹\n草案 誤導了這個病人。我覺得這個部分是中央機關應該要強力去把關。這在我們的草案裡面有。對於廣告的管理。那將來就一定要好好去落實。好不好?謝謝。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.847 --> 00:27.994\n謝謝主席,主席我們是不是有請薛部長還有法務部還有這個數位發展部請法務部汪參氏還有數位發展部林副署長部長好,部長我要先就教你這個有關於兒少性剝削的議題這一個偷拍的論壇創意私訪\n\n00:29.995 --> 00:30.556\n草案案件事務委員委員會主席\n\n00:39.175 --> 00:45.379\n那卡在哪裡法務部也在書發部也在你們現在問題到底在哪裡從4月4號這個媒體報導傳出來到現在也已經好幾天了那我們要去阻斷這一些不當的對於兒少性剝削的影像的散佈我覺得最關鍵的是在這個網路上面可以盡快的讓他下架或者是封網讓這樣子的一個不當資訊沒有管道繼續再散播繼續對這一些未成年造成傷害\n\n01:07.734 --> 01:32.481\n但是我現在看到的是好像衛福部、述發部跟法務部你們橫向的溝通聯繫是不是有困難?這幾天你們有開過會嗎?有針對這個問題去做一些討論嗎?該委員報告目前實務上面在做這個封網的大概有兩個方法第一個就是有了一個行政處分要他去下架他沒有下架才用封網\n\n01:33.762 --> 01:54.977\n第二、檢察官在查涉及到刑事的時候,可以做扣押,等於說做為證據,扣押下來做為證據,就可以把它封掉。目前這兩個部分的話,因為第一個部分它是兩階段,要先做行政處分,要求它下架。\n\n01:55.657 --> 02:09.841\n福利及衛生環境委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全\n\n02:12.442 --> 02:30.417\n所以我們因為那個有關於這個現影像的這個部分的話還有這個我記得中檢是不是還沒有還沒有那個還沒有結案北檢北檢還沒有結案所以事實上是可以做所以我們現在會跟法務部這邊來討論\n\n02:32.058 --> 02:56.743\n現在已經可以做嗎?對不對?已經很確定嗎?這一個論壇就是有在販賣這樣的兒少的性剝削的相關影片嗎?不過委員剛剛有提到說要修法,我是建議當然我們這邊也會努力,未來修法的時候對這一種網站,兒少的性影像的網站的話是架設到國外的話,\n\n02:58.038 --> 03:01.099\n福利及衛生環境委員會第11屆第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會\n\n03:23.510 --> 03:50.798\n我非常同意,就是未來在修法一個是加重,因為這次緩行大家都輿論嘩然第二個就是你剛剛講的賦予主管機關你一旦得知發現你就可以即時啟動進行相關的封網的動作我覺得這個才可以真正去阻斷而且你這樣子比較強力的行政的介入我覺得才能保護到這些耳哨所以我也很支持部長剛剛提的這個修法方向我們一起來努力\n\n03:51.318 --> 04:00.083\n福利及衛生環境委員會第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第6會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第8會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第9會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第10會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第11會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12會期社會福利及�\n\n04:11.590 --> 04:19.995\n福利及衛生環境委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次\n\n04:37.004 --> 05:00.001\n一次食品中毒事件處理要點裡面中央你們這邊規範的中毒人數要達到50人或以上者然後才會介入調查或者是配合介入調查當中去熱定他停業那這個50人當時是怎麼定的我覺得現在國人對於食安的標準越來越嚴格你可以看到我左邊列出來的\n\n05:01.102 --> 05:26.402\n新北這一團去台南那邊吃完東西之後是25人那25人也沒有達到你這個標準如果今天這25人媒體沒有報導的話請問他有符合你下面說社會大眾關注事件媒體沒有報社會大眾就不關注囉那是不是就不用啟動這個調查也沒有辦法去勒令他停業這個標準是不是太寬鬆了\n\n05:27.102 --> 05:37.437\n因為最近大家在檢討保齡餐廳事件的時候認為臺北市的這個6人太寬鬆那中央這個50人之前定的這個50人不是更寬鬆嗎\n\n05:39.618 --> 06:01.075\n呃跟我們報告大概第一個齁那一個說14萬人那個應該是錯誤是不是沒有通報那麼多人有問題我這邊的數據是這樣是多少去年一整年的話是633件然後人數是5000差不多5200人那今年齁到目前為止齁那是446件然後人數是2500500人\n\n06:05.879 --> 06:34.237\n所以有比去年高,如果同期比較的話我覺得是有偏高有可能受到保齡事件影響但有可能真的中毒事件變多民眾勇於通報至於委員在提到說這個50人或幾人像說臺北市它是有一個6人新北市10人這是地方政府制定的但是它的牽涉是這樣子如果有這麼多人的時候是達成所謂的田業的標準\n\n06:36.637 --> 06:53.811\n這個就有一點點麻煩了因為比方說今天這個餐廳來訂了一桌是10個人吃了10個都中毒結果他要停業但是同樣的餐廳來了6個人訂了一桌6個人都中毒5個人都中毒不用停業\n\n06:55.092 --> 07:18.742\n但是事實上他所做的行為是一樣的所以他會產生一些可能在公平性的一些問題我想最後我們的想法在未來要做的一件事倒不是說要去處理這個幾人幾人的問題是嚴重的植物中毒事件比如說有死亡有進ICU的\n\n07:19.983 --> 07:27.716\n這部分的話要怎麼樣快速的匯集資料那把這一個案子建立起來之後的話那就不管幾人就是\n\n07:29.316 --> 07:34.722\n草案案件事宜及衛生福利及衛生福利及衛生福利及衛生福利及衛生福利及衛生福利及衛生福利及衛生福\n\n07:50.319 --> 07:51.060\n草案：一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查一、審查\n\n08:08.217 --> 08:23.480\n福利及衛生環境委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全\n\n08:35.623 --> 09:02.738\n其實是有點你們中央定了這個標準之後地方你是授權那各自定各自的我覺得食安應該是一個標準就像你剛剛在講重大的這一個部分應該規範一個標準那其他的集體的就是出現這一種不是或是上吐下瀉的這一種也應該要有一個標準才對我希望你們回去之後再討論一下因為食安不應該是一國多制啦我覺得應該就是只有一國一制啦沒有一國多制啦\n\n09:03.018 --> 09:19.987\n就是那個SOP可不可以讓它是更清晰我真的覺得最近的這個食安事件有點多啦那要去理解是為什麼是大家敏感度增加的多還是說因為環境在改變就像這一次我們過去台灣根本不會有這一個邦克列酸\n\n09:20.447 --> 09:22.649\n福利及衛生環境委員會第11屆第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會\n\n09:51.128 --> 09:53.749\n醫療法草案案件事宜、審判案件事宜、審判案件事宜、審判案件事宜、審判案件事\n\n10:09.620 --> 10:27.353\n大家可能在生技公司法說會也特別去放大或者是不實然後就是為了去謀求他公司的營運我覺得過度都不好這樣過去我們看到健康食品過度的廣告這都是錯的再生醫療我要提醒這個衛福部一點就是說未來會不會因為這個法廣告亂象重生過度膨脹\n\n10:34.118 --> 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