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out、call in，還是二選一？"],["林副主任委員敏聰：再次致歉，抱歉！主委有特別交代。"],["洪委員孟楷：官員520前不要有這種待退老兵的心態。"],["林副主任委員敏聰：絕對沒有！每天還是非常重要。"],["洪委員孟楷：現在是新國會、新民意，1月13號之後，我們都戰戰兢兢的，因為我們都認為國家科技發展很重要，如果用這種待退老兵的心態，認為反正520到了就拍拍屁股走人，國科會跟我沒關係了，「田無溝、水無流」，這種心態真的要不得！"],["林副主任委員敏聰：是，絕對不會有這樣的心態。"],["洪委員孟楷：國際都很關心這次花蓮地震，為什麼國際很關心？因為臺灣半導體供應很重要，我們真的要再一次感謝台積電及所有的晶圓廠，以及最重要的第一線工程師。地震發生之後，大家都是逃難，但工程師不管休假的、非休假的都趕快趕回去，就是要趕快復工、修復機台。台積電隔天、4月4號就已經講，晶圓廠設備恢復率超過80%，國科會也說竹科、中科、南科都陸續恢復中。但我現在想確定一下，此時此刻是不是所有的科學園區都已經正常營運？"],["林副主任委員敏聰：應該大部分都是……"],["洪委員孟楷：不是應該！"],["林副主任委員敏聰：我們都有……"],["洪委員孟楷：現在就是說此時此刻，不懂要不要問一下後面的幕僚？"],["林副主任委員敏聰：我是說我們隨時都有報，至少在幾天前是80%，現在的狀況我們請他……"],["洪委員孟楷：4月4號媒體就已經報導80%了，現在幾號？4月11號，經過了7天的時間，本席要問的是最新的進度，不是應該，掌握的狀況怎麼樣？來，麻煩。"],["王局長永壯：晶圓廠平時都有在演練……"],["洪委員孟楷：我現在只要確認，科學園區是不是都已經恢復正常了？"],["王局長永壯：對，幾乎、大部分儀器，但是我不能……"],["洪委員孟楷：哪個小部分沒有恢復正常？"],["王局長永壯：因為有些還要經過調校，要做幾天穩定度的試驗。"],["洪委員孟楷：所以你們有沒有掌握？"],["王局長永壯：有。"],["洪委員孟楷：那有掌握的資料在哪裡？依你剛剛講的狀況，感覺是你沒有掌握。"],["王局長永壯：有，我們平常就有在跟各廠商聯絡，如果有需要……"],["洪委員孟楷：你現在手邊有沒有相關資料？到底現在恢復的程度到90%、80%？還是還剩哪幾家廠商還沒有恢復？有沒有這個資料？"],["王局長永壯：我沒有辦法答復每一個機台是……"],["洪委員孟楷：我現在不是問你機台，副主委，本席的問題有那麼難回答嗎？"],["林副主任委員敏聰：我來回答，我瞭解。"],["洪委員孟楷：科學園區是不是恢復正常運作？"],["林副主任委員敏聰：我完全瞭解，讓我稍微回答一下，這個問題很重要。大家其實都會關心哪些機台、多少%，因為有些牽扯到整個產業內部的調整，比如它剩下兩、三個機台或者是有百分之幾，這個東西它不會直接跟外界講，但是現在國科會本身的重要任務是，當他有任何的需求，包括在基礎建設各方面的需求，我們要完全掌握狀況，目前在這個地方就是infrastructure supportive，完全沒有問題。"],["洪委員孟楷：本席問的是科學園區是不是完全恢復正常運作？很難懂嗎？"],["林副主任委員敏聰：我相信應該還是有少數的機台在調整，因為機台的調整本身要重新reset parameter，但這個部分……"],["洪委員孟楷：副主委等一下、停一下，正常人問立法院今天是不是有正常開會，你會跟我說有兩個科長今天請假嗎？你會說今天委員會有正常開會就是有正常開會，沒正常開會就沒正常開會！"],["林副主任委員敏聰：正常營運這件事情……"],["洪委員孟楷：今天我問科學園區是不是有正常運作，卻一直跟我說科學園區裡面可能有機台還在修復中，我不瞭解！國科會是在管這種事情的嗎？"],["林副主任委員敏聰：已經正常營運，這個部分我們可以講。"],["洪委員孟楷：再來，因為這次0403地震而造成相關的損失……"],["林副主任委員敏聰：我們非常關心。"],["洪委員孟楷：目前掌握多少？"],["林副主任委員敏聰：目前是這樣，跟國科會比較相關的就是研究實驗室，當然學校，包含各方面的損害……"],["洪委員孟楷：國科會主管的科學園區在這一次0403地震，現在粗估總共損失有多少？"],["林副主任委員敏聰：目前因為整個都恢復營運，所以應該是相當有限，至於怎麼樣去計算這個損失……"],["洪委員孟楷：是不是都沒有去查？"],["林副主任委員敏聰：這個牽扯到產業內部的評估。"],["洪委員孟楷：還是認為科學園區不關你們的事？"],["林副主任委員敏聰：關我們的事，當然是我們的責任。"],["洪委員孟楷：0403那麼重大的地震，全臺灣大家都在看，我剛剛開宗明義也說國際都在看，因為臺灣現在半導體的供應鏈非常重要……"],["林副主任委員敏聰：但是我們可以從……"],["洪委員孟楷：我現在問的是你們主管的這幾個科學園區，0403已經經過了一個多禮拜，損失到底有多少？"],["林副主任委員敏聰：就整個科學園區硬體各方面的損失，幾乎是微乎其微，至於內部因為暫時停工、重新調整機台部分，屬於營業機密，它也不會直接……"],["洪委員孟楷：我請教一下……"],["林副主任委員敏聰：但是目前我們可以看……對不起！我一定要講。我們可以看到這個部分，事實上……"],["洪委員孟楷：副主委，非常好！你有底氣，我們都來有底氣，本席問政……"],["林副主任委員敏聰：我盡量回答。"],["洪委員孟楷：可以去問一下教育文化委員會的委員，我真的是有一分證據、說一分話，如果你要這樣鬼話連篇，我們就來好好探究。206臺南大地震，南科損失多少錢？理賠金多少錢？科技廠，知不知道？157億！921的時候科學園區理賠多少錢？146億！"],["林副主任委員敏聰：這個部分非常重要，所以我們也很關心。"],["洪委員孟楷：這一次0403大地震是921之後最大的地震，比206臺南大地震還要嚴重，結果臺南大地震的時候，南科損失到157億，你現在跟我說這次0403微乎其微，你的底氣從哪裡來？誰告訴你的資料？"],["林副主任委員敏聰：因為在明顯具體的損害跟破片的部分，事實上比上次好很多。"],["洪委員孟楷：現在我們也看到了……"],["林副主任委員敏聰：對不起！我回答這個很重要。"],["洪委員孟楷：產險業非常關心也非常擔心後續會有賠償的問題。"],["林副主任委員敏聰：我們也很擔心。"],["洪委員孟楷：因為科技大廠有投保所謂的商業險、火險、附加地震險。"],["林副主任委員敏聰：沒錯。"],["洪委員孟楷：過去有921大地震跟206臺南大地震的經驗，可能有報廢、營業中斷或是儀器損失修復。"],["林副主任委員敏聰：我們很密切關心這一點。"],["洪委員孟楷：有沒有去掌握？"],["林副主任委員敏聰：但這一點是屬於內部的盤點。"],["洪委員孟楷：所以到目前為止，都還沒有掌握，對不對？"],["林副主任委員敏聰：還沒有任何公布。"],["洪委員孟楷：你們也沒有掌握，對不對？"],["林副主任委員敏聰：我們一定要掌握。"],["洪委員孟楷：一定要掌握，什麼時候會掌握？"],["林副主任委員敏聰：我完全同意，我們要密切掌握，但是目前還沒有任何消息。"],["洪委員孟楷：4月3號到現在4月11號，已經8天的時間過去了還沒有掌握，是不是就是現在的狀況？"],["林副主任委員敏聰：不是，產業界本身也在盤點，因為真的要經過一定的……"],["洪委員孟楷：什麼時候會掌握出來？"],["林副主任委員敏聰：另外還有一點，剛剛講這次地震雖然撼動很大，但是整個科學園區的準備事實上是比當時好很多，所以我們初步理解，機台的情況能快速回復，比上次好很多。"],["洪委員孟楷：本席剛剛開宗明義講了，這一次真的有很多因素，但是你們身為管理者，其實是最……不是說現在好很多，而是因為第一時間有很多的工程人員、很多的代班人員不眠不休、趕快搶修。再者是地震的震央，相對來講，發生在臺灣東南西北都是一個……"],["林副主任委員敏聰：比較遠，完全同意。"],["洪委員孟楷：但是震央沒有發生在科學園區。現在狀況是過了8天，大家都還在睡嗎？都沒有去掌握各園區的狀況，這才是今天本席……"],["林副主任委員敏聰：我們已經密切掌握。"],["洪委員孟楷：難道不認為今天來報告，我們會關心這個事情、國人會關心這個事情嗎？這個資料都沒有準備嗎？"],["林副主任委員敏聰：報告委員，我們有密切，但是這個部分也要廠商提供給我們。"],["洪委員孟楷：你的密切在哪裡？什麼時候可以給本席資料？"],["林副主任委員敏聰：事實上我們都有密切定期跟產業……"],["洪委員孟楷：什麼時候可以給本席資料？"],["林副主任委員敏聰：好，我們回去把目前已經既有的產業資料提供給委員，這個絕對沒有問題，但是這個必須要產業願意提供給我們。"],["洪委員孟楷：到目前為止，我跟你說昨天教育部來，次長都可以很明白回答在第一時間內就已經盤查全臺灣有505所學校有受損的狀況，其中東華大學20億，受損最嚴重，花蓮女中2.2億，其他學校陸陸續續回報；結果國科會在自己的幾個科學園區裡面，到目前為止、8天之後，連最基本的到底有多少損失、到底現在狀況怎麼樣都不知道，這就是國科會的效率嗎？"],["林副主任委員敏聰：兩種損失是不一樣的，一個是硬體的直接損失，這個我們很容易估計，但是因為機台停工這部分造成的損失，這是屬於產業的整個機敏……"],["洪委員孟楷：副主委，今天下班以前給本席資料。"],["林副主任委員敏聰：好，我們可以給目前已經有的產業提供的資料。"],["洪委員孟楷：我最後1分鐘的時間，我只要講……"],["主席：不要再1分鐘了啦！因為你已經超過兩分鐘了，洪委員，不好意思！"],["洪委員孟楷：說實在話，主席，如果像剛剛副主委的那種鬼話連篇，一直在那邊鬼打牆的話，浪費我的時間啊！是我的時間要跟你算啦！"],["林副主任委員敏聰：很抱歉啦！我們一定提供資料，好不好？"],["洪委員孟楷：本席今天特別關心，因為你們在報告第10頁裡面有提到淨零科技，淨零科技是本席很重要的方向，在上一屆的時候，2050淨零碳排及氣候變遷因應法，我們都一起共同推動，其中有講到所謂的海洋能，在之前本席也說過，北海岸地區現在因為核一、核二廠都已經除役，如果能夠開發北海岸的海洋能，能夠利用既有的電網，不會增加布建電網的成本，又能夠掌握到再生能源，這是北海岸非常好的一個契機，所以我們需要國科會針對海洋能，就在你第10頁裡面有投入的這一些捕捉、運用、生產等相關的技術研究再精進，這能不能做到？"],["林副主任委員敏聰：這可以做到，還有時間回答嗎？"],["洪委員孟楷：有什麼樣的作為……"],["林副主任委員敏聰：我們目前已經有……"],["洪委員孟楷：沒關係，你給我書面資料，我也希望針對北海岸地區海洋能的研究，國科會現在掌握的進度，以及未來怎麼樣能夠更進一步讓它變成有商業價值、有效率的運用，提出一個計畫跟本席報告，可以嗎？"],["林副主任委員敏聰：我們把目前已經有的計畫……"],["洪委員孟楷：一個禮拜內。"],["林副主任委員敏聰：一個禮拜內，沒問題。"],["洪委員孟楷：副主委聽好，一個禮拜內，把你們想要精進的作為，北海岸海洋能的部分跟本席辦公室報告，可以嗎？"],["主席：好，一個禮拜內就到……"],["林副主任委員敏聰：可以，沒問題。"],["洪委員孟楷：謝謝副主委。"],["主席：謝謝洪孟楷委員。今天的質詢時間是6加2，所以我請各位委員把握時間，超過時間……"],["洪委員孟楷：官員不要浪費委員的時間。"],["主席：好，接下來請柯志恩召委質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":386,"meet_id":"委員會-11-1-22-7","speakers":["林宜瑾","洪孟楷","柯志恩","吳沛憶","羅廷瑋","陳培瑜","葛如鈞","郭昱晴","葉元之","陳秀寳","張雅琳","吳春城","萬美玲","范雲","鄭天財Sra 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00:03:04,007\n之前吳主委在這個委員會的時候也被問到他那時候講是說他去意已堅他說他520之後就快樂的退休人他說在各行各業也可以為國家服務那我想請教\n\n10\n00:03:05,311 --> 00:03:21,896\n既然你被充分授權他有特別交代那他有沒有講說他520一定還是離開公職這個沒有也沒有所以你也沒有辦法回答嗎所以我沒有辦法回答很多東西你沒有辦法回答嗎個人的事情我沒有辦法回答你認為是不是主委應該還是要來我想再次再次致歉了要calloutcallin還是二選一\n\n11\n00:03:34,294 --> 00:04:01,923\n再次致歉對對抱歉我想這個主委有特別交代一下官員520前不要有這種代退老兵的心態絕對沒有他們每天還是非常重要現在是新國會新民意1月13日之後我們都戰戰兢兢的因為我們都希望國家科技發展很重要但如果說用這種代退老兵的心態還是認為說520到了反正我拍拍屁股走人國科會跟我沒關係了喘不高醉不老\n\n12\n00:04:03,660 --> 00:04:03,920\n臺灣半導體供應很重要\n\n13\n00:04:18,406 --> 00:04:33,972\n臺積電我們真的也是要再一次的感謝臺積電以及我們所有的這些晶圓廠以及所有最重要的是第一線工程師說這些工程師地震發生之後大家都是逃難就工程師趕快趕回去休假的非休假的趕快趕回去就是要趕快來復工\n\n14\n00:04:35,112 --> 00:04:54,432\n去做整個機台的一個修復那現在台積電也講是說隔一天4月4號就已經講晶圓廠設備恢復率超過80%了那國科會也說竹科中科南科都陸續恢復中但我想現在確定一下此時此刻是不是所有的科學園區都已經正常的營運\n\n15\n00:04:55,393 --> 00:04:56,934\n4月4日媒體就已經報導80%了,現在幾號?4月11日\n\n16\n00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:30,470\n經過了7天時間了本時要問的是最新的進度不是應該掌握狀況怎麼樣來麻煩跟委員報告我想經營廠平時都有在做演練我現在只確認科學園區是不是都已經恢復正常了對幾乎了\n\n17\n00:05:31,451 --> 00:05:53,642\n大部分遺棄但是哪個小部分沒有恢復正常因為有些還要經過調教要做一些幾天的穩定度的試驗所以我們有沒有掌握有那有掌握資料在哪裡你剛剛講的狀況感覺是你沒有掌握有我們平常就有在跟各廠商聯絡那現在好你有沒有相關你現在手邊有沒有資料\n\n18\n00:05:54,810 --> 00:06:07,391\n到底現在恢復的程度到90%80%還是還剩哪幾家廠商還沒有恢復有沒有這個資料我沒有辦法答覆每一個機台我現在不是問你機台\n\n19\n00:06:09,401 --> 00:06:24,437\n來副主委本席的問題有那麼難回答嗎科學園區是不是恢復正常的運作我完全了解讓我稍微回答一下這問題很重要大家其實都會關心哪些機台多少%但是因為這些有些牽扯到整個\n\n20\n00:06:25,458 --> 00:06:26,359\n本席問的是說科學園區是不是完全恢復正常運作\n\n21\n00:06:51,904 --> 00:07:07,457\n我相信應該還是有少數的機材在做調整因為機材的調整本身他要去重新去resetparameter但這個部分我問正常人問立法院今天是不是有正常開會你會跟我講說有兩個科長今天請假嗎你會問說今天\n\n22\n00:07:11,681 --> 00:07:36,966\n委員會就是有正常開會就有正常開會沒正常開會就沒正常開會今天我問說科學園區是不是有正常運作一直在跟我講說科學園區裡面可能有機台還在修復中我不瞭解我們國科會是在管這種事情的嗎已經正常營運這個點我們可以講好那再來相關的因為這次0403地震而造成相關的損失我們非常關心目前掌握多少\n\n23\n00:07:37,606 --> 00:07:57,188\n目前是這樣子,我有跟國科會有較相關的就是研究實驗室那當然整個學校包含各方面的這個損耗部分我們在這一次科學園區裡面,國科會主管這科學園區裡面0403地震,總共的這個園區的損失,現在初估有多少?\n\n24\n00:07:58,957 --> 00:08:11,883\n目前因為整個恢復的營運那應該是相當的有限那至於怎麼樣去計算這個損失是不是都沒有去查這個牽扯到對不起牽扯到產業它的內部還是認為說科學園區不關你們的事是關你們的事是關你們的事那0403那麼重要的一個地震\n\n25\n00:08:18,846 --> 00:08:19,786\n對,但是我們可以從...就...\n\n26\n00:08:38,407 --> 00:08:38,968\n副主委非常好\n\n27\n00:08:58,371 --> 00:09:01,855\n206台南大地震南科損失多少錢李培欽多少錢科技廠知不知道\n\n28\n00:09:23,019 --> 00:09:24,721\n157億九二一的時候科學園區理賠多少錢?\n\n29\n00:09:29,845 --> 00:09:58,895\n委員這個部分是非常重要那我們現在講是說這一次0403的大地震是921之後最大地震比那時候206的臺南大地震還要嚴重結果臺南大地震那時候南科有損失到157億你現在跟我講是說這次0403微乎其微你的底氣從哪裡來?誰告訴你的資料?因為他在明顯具體的損害跟破片這個部分事實上我們比上次好很多對不起委員委員這句我回答這個很重要\n\n30\n00:09:59,195 --> 00:10:00,856\n我們很密切關心這一點但是這一點\n\n31\n00:10:22,073 --> 00:10:26,095\n4月3日至4月11日已經8天時間過去了還沒有掌握是不是就現在的狀況?那什麼時候會掌握出來?另外有一點就是剛剛講\n\n32\n00:10:45,027 --> 00:10:59,072\n這次的地震雖然的撼動很大但是我們整個科學園區的準備事實上是比當時好很多所以我們整個機台我們初步的理解事實上是情況可能快速恢復是比上次好很多副主委\n\n33\n00:11:01,872 --> 00:11:27,000\n本席剛剛也開宗明義講了真的這一次有很多的因素但是你們身為管理者其實是最不是說現在說好很多是因為這一些都是第一時間很多的工程人員很多的代班人員不眠不休趕快去來做搶修再者是地震真的是震央相對來講發生在台灣東南西北都是一個震央但是沒有發生在我們科學園區的震央那另外一個部分\n\n34\n00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:35,788\n現在的狀況是說我們到底過了8天了大家都還在睡嗎都沒有去掌握說各園區的狀況這才是今天本行難道不認為說今天來做報告的時候我們會關心這個事情國人會關心這個事情嗎\n\n35\n00:11:44,156 --> 00:11:46,499\n這個資料都沒有準備嗎?你的密切在哪裡?什麼時候可以跟本席資料?我們回去把目前我們已經既有的產業資料提供給\n\n36\n00:12:00,054 --> 00:12:07,401\n到目前為止我跟你說昨天教育部來次長都可以很明白回答說在第一時間內就已經盤查全台灣有505所學校有受損的狀況其中東華大學20億受損最嚴重花蓮女中2.2億其他學校陸陸續續回報\n\n37\n00:12:26,155 --> 00:12:46,085\n結果我們國科會在自己的幾個科學園區裡面．到目前為止8天之後．連最基本的說到底有多少損失．到底現在狀況怎麼樣都不知道這就是國科會的一個效率嗎兩種損失是不一樣的一個是硬體的直接損失這個我們很容易估計但是是因為機台停工這個狀況造了損失這屬於產業的這整個的\n\n38\n00:12:49,206 --> 00:13:01,970\n副主委今天下班以前給本席資料我最後一分鐘的時間我只要講說實在話主席如果說你剛剛那種副主委那種鬼話連篇剛剛一直在那邊鬼打牆的話浪費我的時間啊是我的時間要跟你算啊很抱歉我們一定提供資料我只講本席今天特別關心因為你們在第\n\n39\n00:13:20,182 --> 00:13:35,155\n第10頁裏面有提到近鄰科技近鄰科技是本期很重要的一個方向2050近鄰碳排以及氣候變遷因應法在上一屆的時候我們都一起共同推動\n\n40\n00:13:36,016 --> 00:13:51,015\n而其中有講到所謂的海洋能在之前本席也說過北海岸地區現在因為有合一合二廠都已經除役如果說能夠來針對北海岸海洋能的一個開發能夠利用既有的電網\n\n41\n00:13:52,156 --> 00:14:12,957\n不會增加布設電網的成本．又可以能夠掌握到再生能源．這是北海岸非常好的一個契機．所以我們需要．國科會針對海洋能就在你第10頁．裡面有投入的這一些捕捉．運用生產等相關的技術研究在精進．這能不能做到．\n\n42\n00:14:15,218 --> 00:14:34,008\n有什麼樣的作為方法沒關係你給我書面資料那我也希望針對北海岸地區海洋能的研究國科會現在掌握的進度以及未來有怎麼樣能夠更進一步讓它變成是有商業價值能夠有效率的運用提出一個計畫\n\n43\n00:14:35,880 --> 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這個我們很容易估計但是是因為機台停工這個狀況造了損失這屬於產業的這整個的\n769206\t781970\t副主委今天下班以前給本席資料我最後一分鐘的時間我只要講說實在話主席如果說你剛剛那種副主委那種鬼話連篇剛剛一直在那邊鬼打牆的話浪費我的時間啊是我的時間要跟你算啊很抱歉我們一定提供資料我只講本席今天特別關心因為你們在第\n800182\t815155\t第10頁裏面有提到近鄰科技近鄰科技是本期很重要的一個方向2050近鄰碳排以及氣候變遷因應法在上一屆的時候我們都一起共同推動\n816016\t831015\t而其中有講到所謂的海洋能在之前本席也說過北海岸地區現在因為有合一合二廠都已經除役如果說能夠來針對北海岸海洋能的一個開發能夠利用既有的電網\n832156\t852957\t不會增加布設電網的成本．又可以能夠掌握到再生能源．這是北海岸非常好的一個契機．所以我們需要．國科會針對海洋能就在你第10頁．裡面有投入的這一些捕捉．運用生產等相關的技術研究在精進．這能不能做到．\n855218\t874008\t有什麼樣的作為方法沒關係你給我書面資料那我也希望針對北海岸地區海洋能的研究國科會現在掌握的進度以及未來有怎麼樣能夠更進一步讓它變成是有商業價值能夠有效率的運用提出一個計畫\n875880\t876201\t與本席報告\n","txt":"主席謝謝,麻煩請林副主任委員好,有請林副主委副主委,我先請教一下今天主委在哪裡啊?\n請假在行政院院會開會。\n委員會主席\n在行政院院會裡面坐在那裡面,以往院會是誰開比較多?你開比較多還是他開?都是主委,都是主委親自開。很抱歉,主委也特別交代要跟委員抱歉,今天其實很抱歉他在院會裡面有重要的事項,這個是主委的權責。\n這是國會殿堂,你現在不是接受官媒訪問,不是隨便呼嚨你講的每一句話都要有評有據,什麼樣重要事項比國家科技發展策略布局更重要?什麼樣重要事項比來立法院跟全民報告並備質詢更重要?\n就是在行政院會,隔中校東路一路之隔他寧願坐在行政院裡面也不願意來立法院,是這樣嗎?今天的東西他都完全就是很特別的交代很特別的交代,所以以後大家都很特別的交代就可以了那這樣子以後都不用部長啦\n葛奎新上任也不用新上任葛奎啦以後葛奎也不用出來啦也不用備詢啦很特別的交代\n副主委我沒有要為難你的意思你也是被派出來的嘛但重點是本席很好奇說今天召委那麼慎重的安排這樣的一個專案報告主委可以不來那是不是說主委在躲媒體還是說第一波的人事名單裡面520沒有他心情不高興還是有可能現在有風聲傳說他有可能是未來的速發部長有沒有聽說\n之前吳主委在這個委員會的時候也被問到他那時候講是說他去意已堅他說他520之後就快樂的退休人他說在各行各業也可以為國家服務那我想請教\n既然你被充分授權他有特別交代那他有沒有講說他520一定還是離開公職這個沒有也沒有所以你也沒有辦法回答嗎所以我沒有辦法回答很多東西你沒有辦法回答嗎個人的事情我沒有辦法回答你認為是不是主委應該還是要來我想再次再次致歉了要call outcall in還是二選一\n再次致歉 對 對 抱歉我想這個主委有特別交代一下官員520前不要有這種代退老兵的心態絕對沒有 他們每天還是非常重要現在是新國會新民意1月13日之後我們都戰戰兢兢的因為我們都希望國家科技發展很重要但如果說用這種代退老兵的心態還是認為說520到了反正我拍拍屁股走人國科會跟我沒關係了喘不高醉不老\n臺灣半導體供應很重要\n臺積電我們真的也是要再一次的感謝臺積電以及我們所有的這些晶圓廠以及所有最重要的是第一線工程師說這些工程師地震發生之後大家都是逃難就工程師趕快趕回去休假的非休假的趕快趕回去就是要趕快來復工\n去做整個機台的一個修復那現在台積電也講是說隔一天4月4號就已經講晶圓廠設備恢復率超過80%了那國科會也說竹科中科南科都陸續恢復中但我想現在確定一下此時此刻是不是所有的科學園區都已經正常的營運\n4月4日媒體就已經報導80%了,現在幾號?4月11日\n經過了7天時間了本時要問的是最新的進度不是應該掌握狀況怎麼樣來麻煩跟委員報告我想經營廠平時都有在做演練我現在只確認科學園區是不是都已經恢復正常了對幾乎了\n大部分遺棄但是哪個小部分沒有恢復正常因為有些還要經過調教要做一些幾天的穩定度的試驗所以我們有沒有掌握有那有掌握資料在哪裡你剛剛講的狀況感覺是你沒有掌握有我們平常就有在跟各廠商聯絡那現在好你有沒有相關你現在手邊有沒有資料\n到底現在恢復的程度到90% 80%還是還剩哪幾家廠商還沒有恢復有沒有這個資料我沒有辦法答覆每一個機台我現在不是問你機台\n來 副主委本席的問題有那麼難回答嗎科學園區是不是恢復正常的運作我完全了解讓我稍微回答一下這問題很重要大家其實都會關心哪些機台多少%但是因為這些有些牽扯到整個\n本席問的是說科學園區是不是完全恢復正常運作\n我相信應該還是有少數的機材在做調整因為機材的調整本身他要去重新去reset parameter但這個部分我問正常人問立法院今天是不是有正常開會你會跟我講說有兩個科長今天請假嗎你會問說今天\n委員會就是有正常開會就有正常開會沒正常開會就沒正常開會今天我問說科學園區是不是有正常運作一直在跟我講說科學園區裡面可能有機台還在修復中我不瞭解我們國科會是在管這種事情的嗎已經正常營運這個點我們可以講好那再來相關的因為這次04 03地震而造成相關的損失我們非常關心目前掌握多少\n目前是這樣子,我有跟國科會有較相關的就是研究實驗室那當然整個學校包含各方面的這個損耗部分我們在這一次科學園區裡面,國科會主管這科學園區裡面0403地震,總共的這個園區的損失,現在初估有多少?\n目前因為整個恢復的營運那應該是相當的有限那至於怎麼樣去計算這個損失是不是都沒有去查這個牽扯到 對不起牽扯到產業它的內部還是認為說科學園區不關你們的事是關你們的事是關你們的事那0403那麼重要的一個地震\n對,但是我們可以從...就...\n副主委 非常好\n206台南大地震南科損失多少錢李培欽多少錢科技廠知不知道\n157億九二一的時候科學園區理賠多少錢?\n委員這個部分是非常重要那我們現在講是說這一次0403的大地震是921之後最大地震比那時候206的臺南大地震還要嚴重結果臺南大地震那時候南科有損失到157億你現在跟我講是說這次0403微乎其微你的底氣從哪裡來?誰告訴你的資料?因為他在明顯具體的損害跟破片這個部分事實上我們比上次好很多對不起委員委員這句我回答這個很重要\n我們很密切關心這一點但是這一點\n4月3日至4月11日已經8天時間過去了還沒有掌握是不是就現在的狀況?那什麼時候會掌握出來?另外有一點就是剛剛講\n這次的地震雖然的撼動很大但是我們整個科學園區的準備事實上是比當時好很多所以我們整個機台我們初步的理解事實上是情況可能快速恢復是比上次好很多副主委\n本席剛剛也開宗明義講了真的這一次有很多的因素但是你們身為管理者其實是最不是說現在說好很多是因為這一些都是第一時間很多的工程人員很多的代班人員不眠不休趕快去來做搶修再者是地震真的是震央相對來講發生在台灣東南西北都是一個震央但是沒有發生在我們科學園區的震央那另外一個部分\n現在的狀況是說我們到底過了8天了大家都還在睡嗎都沒有去掌握說各園區的狀況這才是今天本行難道不認為說今天來做報告的時候我們會關心這個事情國人會關心這個事情嗎\n這個資料都沒有準備嗎?你的密切在哪裡?什麼時候可以跟本席資料?我們回去把目前我們已經既有的產業資料提供給\n到目前為止我跟你說昨天教育部來次長都可以很明白回答說在第一時間內就已經盤查全台灣有505所學校有受損的狀況其中東華大學20億受損最嚴重花蓮女中2.2億其他學校陸陸續續回報\n結果我們國科會在自己的幾個科學園區裡面．到目前為止8天之後．連最基本的說到底有多少損失．到底現在狀況怎麼樣都不知道這就是國科會的一個效率嗎兩種損失是不一樣的一個是硬體的直接損失 這個我們很容易估計但是是因為機台停工這個狀況造了損失這屬於產業的這整個的\n副主委今天下班以前給本席資料我最後一分鐘的時間我只要講說實在話主席如果說你剛剛那種副主委那種鬼話連篇剛剛一直在那邊鬼打牆的話浪費我的時間啊是我的時間要跟你算啊很抱歉我們一定提供資料我只講本席今天特別關心因為你們在第\n第10頁裏面有提到近鄰科技近鄰科技是本期很重要的一個方向2050近鄰碳排以及氣候變遷因應法在上一屆的時候我們都一起共同推動\n而其中有講到所謂的海洋能在之前本席也說過北海岸地區現在因為有合一合二廠都已經除役如果說能夠來針對北海岸海洋能的一個開發能夠利用既有的電網\n不會增加布設電網的成本．又可以能夠掌握到再生能源．這是北海岸非常好的一個契機．所以我們需要．國科會針對海洋能就在你第10頁．裡面有投入的這一些捕捉．運用生產等相關的技術研究在精進．這能不能做到．\n有什麼樣的作為方法沒關係你給我書面資料那我也希望針對北海岸地區海洋能的研究國科會現在掌握的進度以及未來有怎麼樣能夠更進一步讓它變成是有商業價值能夠有效率的運用提出一個計畫\n與本席報告\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:07.333 --> 00:20.721\n主席謝謝,麻煩請林副主任委員好,有請林副主委副主委,我先請教一下今天主委在哪裡啊?\n\n00:22.573 --> 00:23.274\n請假在行政院院會開會。\n\n00:33.175 --> 00:33.375\n委員會主席\n\n01:02.894 --> 01:20.678\n在行政院院會裡面坐在那裡面,以往院會是誰開比較多?你開比較多還是他開?都是主委,都是主委親自開。很抱歉,主委也特別交代要跟委員抱歉,今天其實很抱歉他在院會裡面有重要的事項,這個是主委的權責。\n\n01:26.559 --> 01:46.090\n這是國會殿堂,你現在不是接受官媒訪問,不是隨便呼嚨你講的每一句話都要有評有據,什麼樣重要事項比國家科技發展策略布局更重要?什麼樣重要事項比來立法院跟全民報告並備質詢更重要?\n\n01:50.472 --> 02:13.614\n就是在行政院會,隔中校東路一路之隔他寧願坐在行政院裡面也不願意來立法院,是這樣嗎?今天的東西他都完全就是很特別的交代很特別的交代,所以以後大家都很特別的交代就可以了那這樣子以後都不用部長啦\n\n02:15.299 --> 02:21.556\n葛奎新上任也不用新上任葛奎啦以後葛奎也不用出來啦也不用備詢啦很特別的交代\n\n02:24.346 --> 02:48.802\n副主委我沒有要為難你的意思你也是被派出來的嘛但重點是本席很好奇說今天召委那麼慎重的安排這樣的一個專案報告主委可以不來那是不是說主委在躲媒體還是說第一波的人事名單裡面520沒有他心情不高興還是有可能現在有風聲傳說他有可能是未來的速發部長有沒有聽說\n\n02:51.343 --> 03:04.007\n之前吳主委在這個委員會的時候也被問到他那時候講是說他去意已堅他說他520之後就快樂的退休人他說在各行各業也可以為國家服務那我想請教\n\n03:05.311 --> 03:21.896\n既然你被充分授權他有特別交代那他有沒有講說他520一定還是離開公職這個沒有也沒有所以你也沒有辦法回答嗎所以我沒有辦法回答很多東西你沒有辦法回答嗎個人的事情我沒有辦法回答你認為是不是主委應該還是要來我想再次再次致歉了要calloutcallin還是二選一\n\n03:34.294 --> 04:01.923\n再次致歉對對抱歉我想這個主委有特別交代一下官員520前不要有這種代退老兵的心態絕對沒有他們每天還是非常重要現在是新國會新民意1月13日之後我們都戰戰兢兢的因為我們都希望國家科技發展很重要但如果說用這種代退老兵的心態還是認為說520到了反正我拍拍屁股走人國科會跟我沒關係了喘不高醉不老\n\n04:03.660 --> 04:03.920\n臺灣半導體供應很重要\n\n04:18.406 --> 04:33.972\n臺積電我們真的也是要再一次的感謝臺積電以及我們所有的這些晶圓廠以及所有最重要的是第一線工程師說這些工程師地震發生之後大家都是逃難就工程師趕快趕回去休假的非休假的趕快趕回去就是要趕快來復工\n\n04:35.112 --> 04:54.432\n去做整個機台的一個修復那現在台積電也講是說隔一天4月4號就已經講晶圓廠設備恢復率超過80%了那國科會也說竹科中科南科都陸續恢復中但我想現在確定一下此時此刻是不是所有的科學園區都已經正常的營運\n\n04:55.393 --> 04:56.934\n4月4日媒體就已經報導80%了,現在幾號?4月11日\n\n05:14.880 --> 05:30.470\n經過了7天時間了本時要問的是最新的進度不是應該掌握狀況怎麼樣來麻煩跟委員報告我想經營廠平時都有在做演練我現在只確認科學園區是不是都已經恢復正常了對幾乎了\n\n05:31.451 --> 05:53.642\n大部分遺棄但是哪個小部分沒有恢復正常因為有些還要經過調教要做一些幾天的穩定度的試驗所以我們有沒有掌握有那有掌握資料在哪裡你剛剛講的狀況感覺是你沒有掌握有我們平常就有在跟各廠商聯絡那現在好你有沒有相關你現在手邊有沒有資料\n\n05:54.810 --> 06:07.391\n到底現在恢復的程度到90%80%還是還剩哪幾家廠商還沒有恢復有沒有這個資料我沒有辦法答覆每一個機台我現在不是問你機台\n\n06:09.401 --> 06:24.437\n來副主委本席的問題有那麼難回答嗎科學園區是不是恢復正常的運作我完全了解讓我稍微回答一下這問題很重要大家其實都會關心哪些機台多少%但是因為這些有些牽扯到整個\n\n06:25.458 --> 06:26.359\n本席問的是說科學園區是不是完全恢復正常運作\n\n06:51.904 --> 07:07.457\n我相信應該還是有少數的機材在做調整因為機材的調整本身他要去重新去resetparameter但這個部分我問正常人問立法院今天是不是有正常開會你會跟我講說有兩個科長今天請假嗎你會問說今天\n\n07:11.681 --> 07:36.966\n委員會就是有正常開會就有正常開會沒正常開會就沒正常開會今天我問說科學園區是不是有正常運作一直在跟我講說科學園區裡面可能有機台還在修復中我不瞭解我們國科會是在管這種事情的嗎已經正常營運這個點我們可以講好那再來相關的因為這次0403地震而造成相關的損失我們非常關心目前掌握多少\n\n07:37.606 --> 07:57.188\n目前是這樣子,我有跟國科會有較相關的就是研究實驗室那當然整個學校包含各方面的這個損耗部分我們在這一次科學園區裡面,國科會主管這科學園區裡面0403地震,總共的這個園區的損失,現在初估有多少?\n\n07:58.957 --> 08:11.883\n目前因為整個恢復的營運那應該是相當的有限那至於怎麼樣去計算這個損失是不是都沒有去查這個牽扯到對不起牽扯到產業它的內部還是認為說科學園區不關你們的事是關你們的事是關你們的事那0403那麼重要的一個地震\n\n08:18.846 --> 08:19.786\n對,但是我們可以從...就...\n\n08:38.407 --> 08:38.968\n副主委非常好\n\n08:58.371 --> 09:01.855\n206台南大地震南科損失多少錢李培欽多少錢科技廠知不知道\n\n09:23.019 --> 09:24.721\n157億九二一的時候科學園區理賠多少錢?\n\n09:29.845 --> 09:58.895\n委員這個部分是非常重要那我們現在講是說這一次0403的大地震是921之後最大地震比那時候206的臺南大地震還要嚴重結果臺南大地震那時候南科有損失到157億你現在跟我講是說這次0403微乎其微你的底氣從哪裡來?誰告訴你的資料?因為他在明顯具體的損害跟破片這個部分事實上我們比上次好很多對不起委員委員這句我回答這個很重要\n\n09:59.195 --> 10:00.856\n我們很密切關心這一點但是這一點\n\n10:22.073 --> 10:26.095\n4月3日至4月11日已經8天時間過去了還沒有掌握是不是就現在的狀況?那什麼時候會掌握出來?另外有一點就是剛剛講\n\n10:45.027 --> 10:59.072\n這次的地震雖然的撼動很大但是我們整個科學園區的準備事實上是比當時好很多所以我們整個機台我們初步的理解事實上是情況可能快速恢復是比上次好很多副主委\n\n11:01.872 --> 11:27.000\n本席剛剛也開宗明義講了真的這一次有很多的因素但是你們身為管理者其實是最不是說現在說好很多是因為這一些都是第一時間很多的工程人員很多的代班人員不眠不休趕快去來做搶修再者是地震真的是震央相對來講發生在台灣東南西北都是一個震央但是沒有發生在我們科學園區的震央那另外一個部分\n\n11:27.800 --> 11:35.788\n現在的狀況是說我們到底過了8天了大家都還在睡嗎都沒有去掌握說各園區的狀況這才是今天本行難道不認為說今天來做報告的時候我們會關心這個事情國人會關心這個事情嗎\n\n11:44.156 --> 11:46.499\n這個資料都沒有準備嗎?你的密切在哪裡?什麼時候可以跟本席資料?我們回去把目前我們已經既有的產業資料提供給\n\n12:00.054 --> 12:07.401\n到目前為止我跟你說昨天教育部來次長都可以很明白回答說在第一時間內就已經盤查全台灣有505所學校有受損的狀況其中東華大學20億受損最嚴重花蓮女中2.2億其他學校陸陸續續回報\n\n12:26.155 --> 12:46.085\n結果我們國科會在自己的幾個科學園區裡面．到目前為止8天之後．連最基本的說到底有多少損失．到底現在狀況怎麼樣都不知道這就是國科會的一個效率嗎兩種損失是不一樣的一個是硬體的直接損失這個我們很容易估計但是是因為機台停工這個狀況造了損失這屬於產業的這整個的\n\n12:49.206 --> 13:01.970\n副主委今天下班以前給本席資料我最後一分鐘的時間我只要講說實在話主席如果說你剛剛那種副主委那種鬼話連篇剛剛一直在那邊鬼打牆的話浪費我的時間啊是我的時間要跟你算啊很抱歉我們一定提供資料我只講本席今天特別關心因為你們在第\n\n13:20.182 --> 13:35.155\n第10頁裏面有提到近鄰科技近鄰科技是本期很重要的一個方向2050近鄰碳排以及氣候變遷因應法在上一屆的時候我們都一起共同推動\n\n13:36.016 --> 13:51.015\n而其中有講到所謂的海洋能在之前本席也說過北海岸地區現在因為有合一合二廠都已經除役如果說能夠來針對北海岸海洋能的一個開發能夠利用既有的電網\n\n13:52.156 --> 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