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（第八案如經復議，則不予審查。）\n【4月10日及11日二天一次會】）","meet":{"tmpMeeting":null,"title":"第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議","term":11,"type":"委員會","sessionPeriod":1,"sessionTimes":7,"committees":[19],"id":"委員會-11-1-19-7"},"date":"2024-04-11","duration":505,"end_time":"2024-04-11T10:06:21+08:00","start_time":"2024-04-11T09:57:56+08:00","features":["ai-transcript","gazette"],"type":"Clip","gazette":{"lineno":239,"blocks":[["呂委員玉玲：（9時58分）謝謝主席，請陳部長。"],["主席：請陳部長。"],["陳代理部長駿季：呂委員早。"],["呂委員玉玲：部長，花蓮在這次的地震中是主災區，我們看到蘇花公路都被中斷了，包括整個農漁業，不管是農田也好，他們的農具還是漁網都被地震給震壞了，房屋倒塌等等，這些部分都是農業部所看到的，除了農田以外，我們看到還有家畜的禽舍部分以及水路部分，這些部分你們會不會專案補助？"],["陳代理部長駿季：我跟委員說明，就是行政院針對這次地震，花蓮部分我們跨部會在第一時間就去處理，各部會本身針對各部會所看到的這些災損部分，以我們農業部來講，針對漁業部分，就是我們的定置網，有一些農田部分還有畜牧部分，這些部分我們……"],["呂委員玉玲：因為這次的災情慘重，我希望農業部可以成立專案，從寬來給他們補助，尤其像是水路或者是水土保持，公共設施你們都會去做，但是禽舍部分你們也應該從寬給他們協助去重建。"],["陳代理部長駿季：會，我們一定會從寬，我舉個例子，像漁業設施在天然災害救助大概只有30萬，我們現在已經有把它提高，然後也要報行政院用專案的方式處理。"],["呂委員玉玲：是，那如果沒有去投保農業保險的可以去申請嗎？"],["陳代理部長駿季：這個跟農業保險沒有關係，只要我們認定它是天然災害，地震就是天然災害。"],["呂委員玉玲：好，我們應該從寬來幫忙救災、重建，這條路很漫長，所以要我們政府機關一起協助來做。"],["陳代理部長駿季：對，我們會積極去處理。"],["呂委員玉玲：包括在農業部底下有一個農金署，我們對於災害地區的這些災戶，在貸款部分有可以展延的申請補助計畫，對不對？有4項。"],["陳代理部長駿季：對。"],["呂委員玉玲：尤其在這次的情況之下，你們是不是可以做到展延免息的部分？"],["陳代理部長駿季：我們現在針對一般的貸款跟專案貸款有展延一年的方式。"],["呂委員玉玲：是，所以還是可以從寬……"],["陳代理部長駿季：對，就是展延一年。"],["呂委員玉玲：也用專案的方式可以給他們延緩更多的時間……"],["陳代理部長駿季：對，展延時間內是免息的。"],["呂委員玉玲：是、是、是，因為你們的時間比較短，像這次花蓮災區這麼嚴重，這個期限可以延長一點，如兩年、三年的，你看有各種狀況，現在有4項嘛！是否每一項的展延時間都給他們延長一點，好不好？"],["陳代理部長駿季：我想……"],["呂委員玉玲：用專案來考量，討論一下。"],["陳代理部長駿季：對，我們會考量，但是這個也要考慮到其他產業單位的一致性，這是我們會考量的。"],["呂委員玉玲：是，所以一併討論跟研究一下。"],["陳代理部長駿季：對，行政院都有定期在開會。"],["呂委員玉玲：雖然現在的花蓮主災區，你們已經有公告了，但是這次的地震是全臺灣，沒有在花蓮主災區的、沒有被公告的其他地方也一併，只要是受災的災民都可以申請。"],["陳代理部長駿季：我們是一體適用。"],["呂委員玉玲：全部一體適用？"],["陳代理部長駿季：對。"],["呂委員玉玲：好，謝謝。接下來本席就要請問一下，今天是野保法法條的修正草案，野保法今天在經濟委員會已經排審了，請問動保法什麼時候會進來？"],["陳代理部長駿季：動保法……"],["呂委員玉玲：在上一屆第7會期的時候，你們說會期結束前會送進來，這個會期還沒看到行政院送到立法院，什麼時候？"],["陳代理部長駿季：動保法我們有送到行政院，後來在行政院討論的時候又回到農業部，因為有一些條文……"],["呂委員玉玲：怎麼會回去，有什麼問題嗎？"],["陳代理部長駿季：有一些條文可能還要再做一些調整。"],["呂委員玉玲：哪一部分的條文？"],["陳代理部長駿季：我請副司長說明。"],["呂委員玉玲：有爭議？什麼條文不能送進來？"],["陳副司長中興：因為動物保護法在我們預告的時候，社會各界包括動保團體，包括一些其他的，針對我們預告的條文有很多的意見，所以我們統整後，針對一些比較有爭議……"],["呂委員玉玲：你們統整、討論、研究、研議已經這麼久了，野保法都送進來審了，你們動保法還沒有送進來，陳部長……"],["陳代理部長駿季：我們這個……"],["呂委員玉玲：陳部長，這個會期結束之前送進來，好不好？"],["陳代理部長駿季：我必須要說明，就是我們修完了以後，還要送到行政院會審議，我們一定會送到行政院去。"],["呂委員玉玲：所以你趕快送行政院，好不好？"],["陳代理部長駿季：好。"],["呂委員玉玲：接下來就是討論我們的野保法，針對野保法第十九條，我看到農業部並沒有回應動保團體，尤其是針對山豬吊的金屬套索陷阱，部長剛剛的說法是我們會採改良式的，我們不曉得改良式指的是什麼樣的情況。另外，在第二十一條的部分，如果有特殊緊急狀況，危害公共安全或民眾生命的時候，我們可以適用第十九條第一項到第六項，對不對？"],["陳代理部長駿季：對。"],["呂委員玉玲：所以我們就應該把它設限進去，尤其是第十九條的第一項到第六項，我只看到你們的回應是第一、二、六這三項是不可以使用的，部長，最讓我們擔心的就是第三、四、五項，毒物、炸藥還有其他特殊獵捕的工具。部長，我想請問，為什麼需要炸藥、需要毒物？這個部分你們並沒有去做回應，你們還要繼續使用。"],["陳代理部長駿季：炸藥的部分最主要是與漁業有關，關於漁業或是電的部分，因為在陸域上面，基本上不會用炸藥去捕獵動物，但在漁業的話，比方說捕魚的時候，有時候會有一些炸藥的使用，這個我請署長說明一下。"],["林署長華慶：我說明一下，這個是因為以前有設想一些可能比較特殊的狀況，比如說外來種或某些有害生物大量繁衍的時候，此時要去做一個立即的防治，這個規定是有保留的，所以一般是不能使用這些方法。"],["呂委員玉玲：針對用炸藥跟毒物有去限制嗎？有去規範嗎？"],["林署長華慶：那個是很特殊的狀況下，所以這個是很早期，當時漁業單位建議保留的……"],["呂委員玉玲：那是很早期，所以現在還適用嗎？"],["林署長華慶：這個部分可能我們要再跟漁業署這邊會商……"],["呂委員玉玲：我希望你回應炸藥跟毒物的部分，好不好？"],["張署長致盛：對於漁具、漁法是有一定的規範，像炸魚這種方式本來就是不允許的。"],["呂委員玉玲：所以你們現在回應我因為是漁業，而野生動物法裡面還沒有適用嗎？"],["陳代理部長駿季：剛才我們署長提到，保留炸藥跟相關的規定，是因為因應緊急的狀況，我們必須要去處理，如果我們沒有……"],["呂委員玉玲：所以因應緊急狀況的話，在第十九條裡面就有了，對不對？所以你們必須要去回應，好不好？"],["陳代理部長駿季：是。我們會在立法說明做一個說明。"],["呂委員玉玲：謝謝主席，請給我最後一分鐘。我要請問的是，現在我們講的野保法第三十七條跟第五十條，飼養的業主要回報給地方政府，地方政府他們沒有專業的經驗、物資還有資源去做圍捕的工作，是不是我們中央主管機關，尤其是林業署，也應該視為相關的主管機關，一起來做圍捕的工作，這樣才會更加的積極、有效。"],["林署長華慶：我們有在培力地方政府，這個是中央跟地方要一起吸收、努力的。"],["呂委員玉玲：所以業主回報給地方政府，地方政府再回報給我們中央林業署，好不好？"],["林署長華慶：我們會一起來。"],["呂委員玉玲：要把中央主管機關納入。"],["林署長華慶：但是地方政府絕對是第一線要處理的。"],["呂委員玉玲：是，可是我們中央有專業的技術人員啊！"],["林署長華慶：大家都要有專業，地方也要有專業。"],["呂委員玉玲：所以要有一貫性，從中央到地方到業主。"],["林署長華慶：對，我們一起成長。"],["呂委員玉玲：好，再把它編列進去，好不好？謝謝。"],["林署長華慶：好。謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝呂玉玲委員。接下來我們請楊瓊瓔委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":456,"meet_id":"委員會-11-1-19-7","speakers":["邱議瑩","邱鎮軍","楊瓊瓔","黃捷","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","呂玉玲","張雅琳","林岱樺","張啓楷","鄭正鈐","陳亭妃","鄭天財Sra 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00:00:12,030\n一、審查：立法院第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第11�\n\n2\n00:00:20,435 --> 00:00:33,038\n條文修正草案案．立法院第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第12屆第13條之一及第14條之一及第14條之一及第16條之一及第17條之一及第18條之一及第18條之一及第19條之一及第20條之一及第21條之一及第21條之一及第22條之一及第23條之一及第24條之一及第26條之一及第27條之一及第28條之一及第29條之一及第30條之一及第30條之一及第41條之一及第41條之一及第42條之一及第42條之一及第45條之一及第46條之一及第47條之一及第47條之一及第48條之一及第49條之一及第49條之一及第50條之一\n\n3\n00:00:50,763 --> 00:01:06,341\n我跟委員說明就是行政院針對整個這次地震花蓮的話我們在跨部會第一時間就去處理那各部會本身針對各部會所看到的這些災損的部分那以我們農業部來講針對漁業的部分就是我們的定制網\n\n4\n00:01:07,362 --> 00:01:14,028\n條文修正草案案案件及其他條文修正草案案件及其他條文修正草案案件及其他條文修正草案案件及其他條文修正草案案件及其他條文修正草案案件及其他條文修正草案案件及其他條文\n\n5\n00:01:34,386 --> 00:01:35,587\n條例部分條文修正草案案案。\n\n6\n00:01:46,510 --> 00:01:52,272\n條文修正草案案案件事宜及第十四條條文修正草案案件事宜及第十四條條文修正草案案件事宜及第十四條條文修正草案案件事宜及第十四條條文修正草案案件事\n\n7\n00:02:16,801 --> 00:02:21,187\n對那尤其是這次的情況之下我們是不是可以做到一個展延免息的部分\n\n8\n00:02:22,799 --> 00:02:25,701\n條文修正草案條例部分條文修正草案條例部分條文\n\n9\n00:02:49,893 --> 00:03:02,341\n三條之一及第四條之一及第七條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及\n\n10\n00:03:17,150 --> 00:03:42,179\n三條之一及第十六條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十\n\n11\n00:03:43,456 --> 00:03:45,757\n條文修正草案．一、審查．一、三十四條之一及第四十七條條文修正草案。\n\n12\n00:03:57,308 --> 00:04:00,389\n有爭議什麼條文不能送進來的?你們從者你們討論研究演繹已經這麼久了\n\n13\n00:04:16,736 --> 00:04:17,877\n條文修正草案案案案案案案案案案\n\n14\n00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:46,044\n條文修正草案．一、審查．一、二十四條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及\n\n15\n00:04:57,051 --> 00:05:14,118\n主委部長剛剛的說法是說我們會改良室改良室我們不曉得改良室是什麼樣的情況那因為我們在另外21條的部分裡面說如果有特殊緊急狀況危害公共安全或者民眾的生命的時候我們可以適用19條的第1項到第6項對不對\n\n16\n00:05:18,425 --> 00:05:43,633\n對是所以我們應該就把設限進去那尤其是第十九條的第一項到第六項我只看到你們回應的是這個126這這個三項是不可以使用的但是主委最讓我們擔心的就是三四五項他這個毒物還有炸藥還有其他特殊的這個獵捕的工具\n\n17\n00:05:45,117 --> 00:05:55,031\n主委、本部長我想請問就是說為什麼需要炸藥需要毒物這個你們沒有去回應你們還繼續要使用\n\n18\n00:05:57,334 --> 00:06:15,368\n條文修正草案案件事項,其中一項是關於漁業或是電的部分。因為在陸域上面來講,基本上不會用炸藥去捕獵動物。那在魚的話,捕魚的時候有時候會有一些炸藥的部分,再可不可以說明一下?\n\n19\n00:06:18,103 --> 00:06:37,112\n條文修正草案．一、審查．一、三十四條之一及第十六條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及\n\n20\n00:06:46,605 --> 00:07:09,821\n這個部分可能我們就是會再跟這個漁業組這邊會上所以我希望你回應這個炸藥跟毒物的部分好不好對漁具與法有一定的規範用炸魚這種方式本來就是不允許的所以你們現在回應我是漁業嘛那這個野生動物法這個還可以適用嗎我們署長所提到的就是我們保留炸藥跟\n\n21\n00:07:11,331 --> 00:07:32,026\n相關的是因為因應緊急的狀況的時候我們必須要去處理那如果說所以因應緊急狀況的話在19條裡面就有了對不對所以你們必須要去回應嘛是好不好我們在立法聰明裡面做一個訊明謝謝主席給我最後一分鐘我要請問的就是說現在我們講的這個野生動物的這個37條跟50條裡面我們的\n\n22\n00:07:38,351 --> 00:07:51,359\n條文修正草案案件事項的業主要回報給地方政府,那地方政府他們沒有專業的經驗跟我們的物資還有資源去做這個維補的工作,那是不是應該我們中央主管機關尤其是農業署也應該是為這個相關的主管機關一起來做這個維補的工作\n\n23\n00:07:57,222 --> 00:08:04,447\n條文修正草案案案件及第十四條條文修正草案案件及第十四條條文修正草案案件及第十四條條文修正草案案件及第十四條條文修正草案案件及第十四條條\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n80\t12030\t一、審查：立法院第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第11�\n20435\t33038\t條文修正草案案．立法院第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第12屆第13條之一及第14條之一及第14條之一及第16條之一及第17條之一及第18條之一及第18條之一及第19條之一及第20條之一及第21條之一及第21條之一及第22條之一及第23條之一及第24條之一及第26條之一及第27條之一及第28條之一及第29條之一及第30條之一及第30條之一及第41條之一及第41條之一及第42條之一及第42條之一及第45條之一及第46條之一及第47條之一及第47條之一及第48條之一及第49條之一及第49條之一及第50條之一\n50763\t66341\t我跟委員說明就是行政院針對整個這次地震花蓮的話我們在跨部會第一時間就去處理那各部會本身針對各部會所看到的這些災損的部分那以我們農業部來講針對漁業的部分就是我們的定制網\n67362\t74028\t條文修正草案案案件及其他條文修正草案案件及其他條文修正草案案件及其他條文修正草案案件及其他條文修正草案案件及其他條文修正草案案件及其他條文修正草案案件及其他條文\n94386\t95587\t條例部分條文修正草案案 案。\n106510\t112272\t條文修正草案案案件事宜及第十四條條文修正草案案件事宜及第十四條條文修正草案案件事宜及第十四條條文修正草案案件事宜及第十四條條文修正草案案件事\n136801\t141187\t對 那尤其是這次的情況之下我們是不是可以做到一個展延免息的部分\n142799\t145701\t條文修正草案條例部分條文修正草案條例部分條文\n169893\t182341\t三條之一及第四條之一及第七條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及\n197150\t222179\t三條之一及第十六條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十\n223456\t225757\t條文修正草案．一、審查．一、三十四條之一及第四十七條條文修正草案。\n237308\t240389\t有爭議什麼條文不能送進來的?你們從者你們討論研究演繹已經這麼久了\n256736\t257877\t條文修正草案案案案案案案案案案\n279520\t286044\t條文修正草案．一、審查．一、二十四條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及\n297051\t314118\t主委部長剛剛的說法是說我們會改良室改良室我們不曉得改良室是什麼樣的情況那因為我們在另外21條的部分裡面說如果有特殊緊急狀況危害公共安全或者民眾的生命的時候我們可以適用19條的第1項到第6項對不對\n318425\t343633\t對是所以我們應該就把設限進去那尤其是第十九條的第一項到第六項我只看到你們回應的是這個126這這個三項是不可以使用的但是主委最讓我們擔心的就是三四五項他這個毒物還有炸藥還有其他特殊的這個獵捕的工具\n345117\t355031\t主委、本部長我想請問就是說為什麼需要炸藥需要毒物這個你們沒有去回應你們還繼續要使用\n357334\t375368\t條文修正草案案件事項,其中一項是關於漁業或是電的部分。因為在陸域上面來講,基本上不會用炸藥去捕獵動物。那在魚的話,捕魚的時候有時候會有一些炸藥的部分,再可不可以說明一下?\n378103\t397112\t條文修正草案．一、審查．一、三十四條之一及第十六條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及\n406605\t429821\t這個部分可能我們就是會再跟這個漁業組這邊會上所以我希望你回應這個炸藥跟毒物的部分好不好對漁具與法有一定的規範用炸魚這種方式本來就是不允許的所以你們現在回應我是漁業嘛那這個野生動物法這個還可以適用嗎我們署長所提到的就是我們保留炸藥跟\n431331\t452026\t相關的是因為因應緊急的狀況的時候我們必須要去處理那如果說所以因應緊急狀況的話在19條裡面就有了對不對所以你們必須要去回應嘛是好不好我們在立法聰明裡面做一個訊明謝謝主席給我最後一分鐘我要請問的就是說現在我們講的這個野生動物的這個37條跟50條裡面我們的\n458351\t471359\t條文修正草案案件事項的業主要回報給地方政府,那地方政府他們沒有專業的經驗跟我們的物資還有資源去做這個維補的工作,那是不是應該我們中央主管機關尤其是農業署也應該是為這個相關的主管機關一起來做這個維補的工作\n477222\t484447\t條文修正草案案案件及第十四條條文修正草案案件及第十四條條文修正草案案件及第十四條條文修正草案案件及第十四條條文修正草案案件及第十四條條\n","txt":"一、審查：立法院第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第11�\n條文修正草案案．立法院第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第12屆第13條之一及第14條之一及第14條之一及第16條之一及第17條之一及第18條之一及第18條之一及第19條之一及第20條之一及第21條之一及第21條之一及第22條之一及第23條之一及第24條之一及第26條之一及第27條之一及第28條之一及第29條之一及第30條之一及第30條之一及第41條之一及第41條之一及第42條之一及第42條之一及第45條之一及第46條之一及第47條之一及第47條之一及第48條之一及第49條之一及第49條之一及第50條之一\n我跟委員說明就是行政院針對整個這次地震花蓮的話我們在跨部會第一時間就去處理那各部會本身針對各部會所看到的這些災損的部分那以我們農業部來講針對漁業的部分就是我們的定制網\n條文修正草案案案件及其他條文修正草案案件及其他條文修正草案案件及其他條文修正草案案件及其他條文修正草案案件及其他條文修正草案案件及其他條文修正草案案件及其他條文\n條例部分條文修正草案案 案。\n條文修正草案案案件事宜及第十四條條文修正草案案件事宜及第十四條條文修正草案案件事宜及第十四條條文修正草案案件事宜及第十四條條文修正草案案件事\n對 那尤其是這次的情況之下我們是不是可以做到一個展延免息的部分\n條文修正草案條例部分條文修正草案條例部分條文\n三條之一及第四條之一及第七條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及\n三條之一及第十六條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十\n條文修正草案．一、審查．一、三十四條之一及第四十七條條文修正草案。\n有爭議什麼條文不能送進來的?你們從者你們討論研究演繹已經這麼久了\n條文修正草案案案案案案案案案案\n條文修正草案．一、審查．一、二十四條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及\n主委部長剛剛的說法是說我們會改良室改良室我們不曉得改良室是什麼樣的情況那因為我們在另外21條的部分裡面說如果有特殊緊急狀況危害公共安全或者民眾的生命的時候我們可以適用19條的第1項到第6項對不對\n對是所以我們應該就把設限進去那尤其是第十九條的第一項到第六項我只看到你們回應的是這個126這這個三項是不可以使用的但是主委最讓我們擔心的就是三四五項他這個毒物還有炸藥還有其他特殊的這個獵捕的工具\n主委、本部長我想請問就是說為什麼需要炸藥需要毒物這個你們沒有去回應你們還繼續要使用\n條文修正草案案件事項,其中一項是關於漁業或是電的部分。因為在陸域上面來講,基本上不會用炸藥去捕獵動物。那在魚的話,捕魚的時候有時候會有一些炸藥的部分,再可不可以說明一下?\n條文修正草案．一、審查．一、三十四條之一及第十六條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及\n這個部分可能我們就是會再跟這個漁業組這邊會上所以我希望你回應這個炸藥跟毒物的部分好不好對漁具與法有一定的規範用炸魚這種方式本來就是不允許的所以你們現在回應我是漁業嘛那這個野生動物法這個還可以適用嗎我們署長所提到的就是我們保留炸藥跟\n相關的是因為因應緊急的狀況的時候我們必須要去處理那如果說所以因應緊急狀況的話在19條裡面就有了對不對所以你們必須要去回應嘛是好不好我們在立法聰明裡面做一個訊明謝謝主席給我最後一分鐘我要請問的就是說現在我們講的這個野生動物的這個37條跟50條裡面我們的\n條文修正草案案件事項的業主要回報給地方政府,那地方政府他們沒有專業的經驗跟我們的物資還有資源去做這個維補的工作,那是不是應該我們中央主管機關尤其是農業署也應該是為這個相關的主管機關一起來做這個維補的工作\n條文修正草案案案件及第十四條條文修正草案案件及第十四條條文修正草案案件及第十四條條文修正草案案件及第十四條條文修正草案案件及第十四條條\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.080 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02:25.701\n條文修正草案條例部分條文修正草案條例部分條文\n\n02:49.893 --> 03:02.341\n三條之一及第四條之一及第七條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及\n\n03:17.150 --> 03:42.179\n三條之一及第十六條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十\n\n03:43.456 --> 03:45.757\n條文修正草案．一、審查．一、三十四條之一及第四十七條條文修正草案。\n\n03:57.308 --> 04:00.389\n有爭議什麼條文不能送進來的?你們從者你們討論研究演繹已經這麼久了\n\n04:16.736 --> 04:17.877\n條文修正草案案案案案案案案案案\n\n04:39.520 --> 04:46.044\n條文修正草案．一、審查．一、二十四條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及\n\n04:57.051 --> 05:14.118\n主委部長剛剛的說法是說我們會改良室改良室我們不曉得改良室是什麼樣的情況那因為我們在另外21條的部分裡面說如果有特殊緊急狀況危害公共安全或者民眾的生命的時候我們可以適用19條的第1項到第6項對不對\n\n05:18.425 --> 05:43.633\n對是所以我們應該就把設限進去那尤其是第十九條的第一項到第六項我只看到你們回應的是這個126這這個三項是不可以使用的但是主委最讓我們擔心的就是三四五項他這個毒物還有炸藥還有其他特殊的這個獵捕的工具\n\n05:45.117 --> 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那尤其是這次的情況之下我們是不是可以做到一個展延免息的部分"},{"start":142.799,"end":145.701,"text":"條文修正草案條例部分條文修正草案條例部分條文"},{"start":169.893,"end":182.341,"text":"三條之一及第四條之一及第七條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及"},{"start":197.15,"end":222.179,"text":"三條之一及第十六條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十"},{"start":223.456,"end":225.757,"text":"條文修正草案．一、審查．一、三十四條之一及第四十七條條文修正草案。"},{"start":237.308,"end":240.389,"text":"有爭議什麼條文不能送進來的?你們從者你們討論研究演繹已經這麼久了"},{"start":256.736,"end":257.877,"text":"條文修正草案案案案案案案案案案"},{"start":279.52,"end":286.044,"text":"條文修正草案．一、審查．一、二十四條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及"},{"start":297.051,"end":314.118,"text":"主委部長剛剛的說法是說我們會改良室改良室我們不曉得改良室是什麼樣的情況那因為我們在另外21條的部分裡面說如果有特殊緊急狀況危害公共安全或者民眾的生命的時候我們可以適用19條的第1項到第6項對不對"},{"start":318.425,"end":343.633,"text":"對是所以我們應該就把設限進去那尤其是第十九條的第一項到第六項我只看到你們回應的是這個126這這個三項是不可以使用的但是主委最讓我們擔心的就是三四五項他這個毒物還有炸藥還有其他特殊的這個獵捕的工具"},{"start":345.117,"end":355.031,"text":"主委、本部長我想請問就是說為什麼需要炸藥需要毒物這個你們沒有去回應你們還繼續要使用"},{"start":357.334,"end":375.368,"text":"條文修正草案案件事項,其中一項是關於漁業或是電的部分。因為在陸域上面來講,基本上不會用炸藥去捕獵動物。那在魚的話,捕魚的時候有時候會有一些炸藥的部分,再可不可以說明一下?"},{"start":378.103,"end":397.112,"text":"條文修正草案．一、審查．一、三十四條之一及第十六條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及"},{"start":406.605,"end":429.821,"text":"這個部分可能我們就是會再跟這個漁業組這邊會上所以我希望你回應這個炸藥跟毒物的部分好不好對漁具與法有一定的規範用炸魚這種方式本來就是不允許的所以你們現在回應我是漁業嘛那這個野生動物法這個還可以適用嗎我們署長所提到的就是我們保留炸藥跟"},{"start":431.331,"end":452.026,"text":"相關的是因為因應緊急的狀況的時候我們必須要去處理那如果說所以因應緊急狀況的話在19條裡面就有了對不對所以你們必須要去回應嘛是好不好我們在立法聰明裡面做一個訊明謝謝主席給我最後一分鐘我要請問的就是說現在我們講的這個野生動物的這個37條跟50條裡面我們的"},{"start":458.351,"end":471.359,"text":"條文修正草案案件事項的業主要回報給地方政府,那地方政府他們沒有專業的經驗跟我們的物資還有資源去做這個維補的工作,那是不是應該我們中央主管機關尤其是農業署也應該是為這個相關的主管機關一起來做這個維補的工作"},{"start":477.222,"end":484.447,"text":"條文修正草案案案件及第十四條條文修正草案案件及第十四條條文修正草案案件及第十四條條文修正草案案件及第十四條條文修正草案案件及第十四條條"}]}}}}