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00:03:25,888\n我們已經查過了今天院會的主題全部都是花蓮的災後的問題根本就跟國會沒有關係沒有關係那我想今天您來這裡會不會其實透露了一個訊息會不會副主委可能未來非常有可能接任國會主委是不是人選我們是不是要先提前恭賀您您即將要高升升任科技政委兼國會主委\n\n10\n00:03:26,568 --> 00:03:26,749\n李卓人議員\n\n11\n00:03:43,969 --> 00:03:44,189\n主席主席主席\n\n12\n00:04:07,316 --> 00:04:21,862\n這個可以持續的來前進那無論520之後誰來領導國科會本席都希望務必兌現當初主委曾經承諾的盡快看到AI基本法的草案送到立院本席也要強調期待AI基本法當中應該要涵蓋AI國際情勢的瞭解AI產業的現況調查的規範這是國科會做得很棒所以我們真的在此予以鼓勵2022年台灣AI國力調查大概很多人不知道這個東西\n\n13\n00:04:35,748 --> 00:04:53,738\n但現在2024年了我們新的革規上來了希望能夠趕快的來做新的版本持續都要推出甚至放到我們的AI基本法的規劃當中每年應該要持續更新幫助產官學員界的快速的掌握AI脈動接下來想了解一下副主委對於AI晶片產業的藍圖根據這個國會資料的顯示\n\n14\n00:04:58,620 --> 00:05:07,026\n應應生成式AI的快速發展我們有金創計畫還有這個所謂的AI行動2.0的計畫這兩者可以說相輔相成但是我們其實還是想要問說這兩個計畫這樣子這個蘋果ApplePen這樣合在一起到底我們是要重軟還是重硬還是軟硬兼施到底我們要重大還是重小重新創還是大型產業還是我們大小都要可不可以簡要的回答一下\n\n15\n00:05:26,266 --> 00:05:43,491\n2023年到2026年的台灣AI行動計畫是一個跨部會的綱領計畫它事實上是希望以既有的AI技術要落地那晶片驅動台灣產業創新計畫裡面的AI的部分是很重要針對現在生成式AI新的硬體跟軟體的發展\n\n16\n00:05:44,591 --> 00:06:01,186\n所以軟硬堅持大型還是小型我們是要補助新創還是補助大型高尖新創是對於這個利用深層式AI跟他的新型技術的深創計畫我們會極力支持應該大小都要如果沒有計畫當然就很難有\n\n17\n00:06:03,168 --> 00:06:08,733\n其中有一部分的經費發到經濟部來做這個金創計畫補助業者創新研發看起來是大小兼施但是做法我們覺得有一點疑義首先其中8億要補助新創不知道副主委知不知道我們現在國際的趨勢補助新創不是純補助應該是投資這裡面只是純補助又沒有拿股份\n\n18\n00:06:24,446 --> 00:06:33,770\n如果我要投資或補助大型公間業者為主﹑前瞻技術研發突破﹑晶片IC設計,12億台幣是杯水車薪,這是什麼規模?\n\n19\n00:06:41,374 --> 00:06:47,902\n伊隆馬斯克並購推特的時候這家公司他花了440億美金相當於1.4兆台幣12億台幣的預算3000萬美金是到底可以補助什麼樣的大型IC設計產業高階技術這個我想\n\n20\n00:06:59,355 --> 00:07:24,046\n如果我們沒有辦法好好地去做調整新創業者也沒有扶植好大型公間業者可能又看不上如果真的要補助新創我們就多一點如果要補助這個甚至拿股份如果要補助大型的我們也要足夠的資源否則的話可能兩頭都空了現在真的看起來很多機制在促進但是相關的各類資源真的是非常的混亂我們來看一下\n\n21\n00:07:25,466 --> 00:07:45,502\n雖然我們有在經濟部中小企業署有相關窗口看到有些整理,包含這一本也有一些整理,但是我這邊來朗讀一下,來朗讀一下,跟AI有關的政府小組或中心,國家智慧推動小組,國家AI推動小組,大家都可以注意,台灣AI卓越中心,\n\n22\n00:07:46,363 --> 00:07:57,050\n中研院還有人工智慧創新應用專題中心．國科會補助設立AI創新研究中心．領航企業研發生根計畫大AIPlus．IC設計工庭補助計畫．驅動國內．\n\n23\n00:08:04,375 --> 00:08:30,911\nIC設計業者發展補助計劃．DigitalPlus數位創新補助．智慧國家方案DG2.0．AI領黃推動計劃二代．產業AI落地概念驗證補助．AI應用服務化驗證補助．AI應用．我真的已經有點累了．但真的不好意思．琳瑯滿目小組中心計劃．我相信都是善意．但是很可能卻成為惡意的迷宮．讓產業界的眼花撩亂前途茫茫．\n\n24\n00:08:33,072 --> 00:08:53,354\n我們既然這麼關注又有這麼多的資源我們能不能協助產業、產官學把相關的資訊、單位、補助、投資做一個整合建立類似YellowPage或者是BuildinTaiwan、AIatTaiwan這樣的一個創業整合或者資源展現的一站式服務我們這邊給你一個idea\n\n25\n00:08:55,416 --> 00:09:13,396\nAIatTaiwan還可以順便呼應一下新內閣幫賴總統宣傳解釋我們這裡講的AI是ArtificialIntelligence跟我們昨天發布的ActiveandInnovative有一點不一樣一起放在這裡有多國語言讓全世界知道我們台灣兩個AI都很重視這不是很好嗎\n\n26\n00:09:16,619 --> 00:09:16,819\n可不可以兩週之內研議?\n\n27\n00:09:39,364 --> 00:09:43,047\n我們會提供一個架構最後時間有限我們要問的是採購的計畫這個高速運算主機的建制我們過去買了9台主機72片的H100再來要買16這個擴充到16PFlops接下來我們到底要怎麼做我們現在台德有7B有13B是沒有公開的\n\n28\n00:10:04,224 --> 00:10:15,538\n但是呢昨天法國的新創公司Mixro公布的是176B開源給大家用的我們接下來到底是還要買H100嗎買也沒有關係但是現在已經有B100B200甚至GB200SuperChip\n\n29\n00:10:21,525 --> 00:10:21,645\n我們細節可以請\n\n30\n00:10:50,191 --> 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LearningHumanoid\n94327\t110347\t這個區塊鏈、腦機介面、基因編輯等等在這份報告裡面可以說是資質未提、複資缺乳啦我可不可以問為什麼?在哪裡有嗎?這份裡面有沒有?我想所有的包括很多大型的計畫或者包括這個八大的這個技術平台事實上都是放遠2035的\n112769\t132749\t請副主委回去翻一下專題報告裡面到底有多少在講未來我可以直接給各位答案在第13頁第三部分3-1的第二段260個字在講今年以後的未來\n135712\t154204\t我想這是事實我們就不多說了但是昨天賴準副總統發表的內閣名單說要秉持行動創新active innovative的精神組成這樣的內閣但是不只沒有未來AI還只有少少一面又都在回顧過去我們到底AI的中長期戰略到底是什麼\n154684\t154784\t他請假參加院會\n182319\t205888\t我們已經查過了今天院會的主題全部都是花蓮的災後的問題根本就跟國會沒有關係沒有關係那我想今天您來這裡會不會其實透露了一個訊息會不會副主委可能未來非常有可能接任國會主委是不是人選我們是不是要先提前恭賀您您即將要高升升任科技政委兼國會主委\n206568\t206749\t李卓人議員\n223969\t224189\t主席主席主席\n247316\t261862\t這個可以持續的來前進那無論520之後誰來領導國科會本席都希望務必兌現當初主委曾經承諾的盡快看到AI基本法的草案送到立院本席也要強調期待AI基本法當中應該要涵蓋AI國際情勢的瞭解AI產業的現況調查的規範這是國科會做得很棒所以我們真的在此予以鼓勵2022年台灣AI國力調查大概很多人不知道這個東西\n275748\t293738\t但現在2024年了我們新的革規上來了希望能夠趕快的來做新的版本持續都要推出甚至放到我們的AI基本法的規劃當中每年應該要持續更新幫助產官學員界的快速的掌握AI脈動接下來想了解一下副主委對於AI晶片產業的藍圖根據這個國會資料的顯示\n298620\t307026\t應應生成式AI的快速發展我們有金創計畫還有這個所謂的AI行動2.0的計畫這兩者可以說相輔相成但是我們其實還是想要問說這兩個計畫這樣子這個蘋果Apple Pen這樣合在一起到底我們是要重軟還是重硬還是軟硬兼施到底我們要重大還是重小重新創還是大型產業還是我們大小都要可不可以簡要的回答一下\n326266\t343491\t2023年到2026年的台灣AI行動計畫是一個跨部會的綱領計畫它事實上是希望以既有的AI技術要落地那晶片驅動台灣產業創新計畫裡面的AI的部分是很重要針對現在生成式AI新的硬體跟軟體的發展\n344591\t361186\t所以軟硬堅持大型還是小型我們是要補助新創還是補助大型高尖新創是對於這個利用深層式AI跟他的新型技術的深創計畫我們會極力支持應該大小都要如果沒有計畫當然就很難有\n363168\t368733\t其中有一部分的經費發到經濟部來做這個金創計畫補助業者創新研發看起來是大小兼施但是做法我們覺得有一點疑義首先其中8億要補助新創不知道副主委知不知道我們現在國際的趨勢補助新創不是純補助應該是投資這裡面只是純補助又沒有拿股份\n384446\t393770\t如果我要投資或補助大型公間業者為主﹑前瞻技術研發突破﹑晶片IC設計,12億台幣是杯水車薪,這是什麼規模?\n401374\t407902\t伊隆馬斯克並購推特的時候這家公司他花了440億美金相當於1.4兆台幣12億台幣的預算3000萬美金是到底可以補助什麼樣的大型IC設計產業高階技術這個我想\n419355\t444046\t如果我們沒有辦法好好地去做調整新創業者也沒有扶植好大型公間業者可能又看不上如果真的要補助新創我們就多一點如果要補助這個甚至拿股份如果要補助大型的我們也要足夠的資源否則的話可能兩頭都空了現在真的看起來很多機制在促進但是相關的各類資源真的是非常的混亂我們來看一下\n445466\t465502\t雖然我們有在經濟部中小企業署有相關窗口看到有些整理,包含這一本也有一些整理,但是我這邊來朗讀一下,來朗讀一下,跟AI有關的政府小組或中心,國家智慧推動小組,國家AI推動小組,大家都可以注意,台灣AI卓越中心,\n466363\t477050\t中研院還有人工智慧創新應用專題中心．國科會補助設立AI創新研究中心．領航企業研發生根計畫大AI Plus．IC設計工庭補助計畫．驅動國內．\n484375\t510911\tIC設計業者發展補助計劃．DigitalPlus數位創新補助．智慧國家方案DG2.0．AI領黃推動計劃二代．產業AI落地概念驗證補助．AI應用服務化驗證補助．AI應用．我真的已經有點累了．但真的不好意思．琳瑯滿目小組中心計劃．我相信都是善意．但是很可能卻成為惡意的迷宮．讓產業界的眼花撩亂前途茫茫．\n513072\t533354\t我們既然這麼關注又有這麼多的資源我們能不能協助產業、產官學把相關的資訊、單位、補助、投資做一個整合建立類似Yellow Page或者是Build in Taiwan、AI at Taiwan這樣的一個創業整合或者資源展現的一站式服務我們這邊給你一個idea\n535416\t553396\tAI at Taiwan還可以順便呼應一下新內閣幫賴總統宣傳解釋我們這裡講的AI是Artificial Intelligence跟我們昨天發布的Active and Innovative有一點不一樣一起放在這裡有多國語言讓全世界知道我們台灣兩個AI都很重視這不是很好嗎\n556619\t556819\t可不可以兩週之內研議?\n579364\t583047\t我們會提供一個架構最後時間有限我們要問的是採購的計畫這個高速運算主機的建制我們過去買了9台主機72片的H100再來要買16這個擴充到16P Flops接下來我們到底要怎麼做我們現在台德有7B有13B是沒有公開的\n604224\t615538\t但是呢昨天法國的新創公司Mixro公布的是176B開源給大家用的我們接下來到底是還要買H100嗎買也沒有關係但是現在已經有B100 B200甚至GB200 Super Chip\n621525\t621645\t我們細節可以請\n650191\t666736\t113年目前目前規劃您剛剛提的沒有錯第一期我們會建就是今年會建16個Peta Flop但是從114開始我們會建100到120個Peta Flop的新機器那這裡面可能包括的都是有可能的新的機器\n668296\t695075\t謝謝我們比較一下我們72片接下來就算買個100片500片都遠遠不足啦人家是買個這多少三萬兩千塊然後呢這是什麼Meta是35萬顆那我們當然不能跟這些企業去比但我們不能差太多啦同時有新的東西一直出來我們不能等到我們發現要買了再來匡列預算最後去買的時候我們剩下來是菜尾\n695555\t695615\t主席\n725695\t744768\t麻煩國科會的同仁也協助注意一下本席真的只是要提醒國科會我們要及早部署跟規劃才有機會盡快採購到最新的設備因為等到我們意識到要買的時候很可能已經排隊都排兩年了接著又出新的C100 C200最後我想如何在先進國家和國際企業的激烈競爭之下\n745709\t745869\t謝謝副主委\n","txt":"謝謝主席 有請國科會林秉聰副主委備詢好 有請林副主委\n副主委今天的專題報告的題目非常棒國家科技發展策略與布局是一個非常前瞻從國家的高度來談整體科技發展大方向的重要題目但是我真的忍不住要講薄薄的十四頁都是交代過去\n甚至沒有現在跟未來我們都翻過了105年講到112年都沒有在講未來請問我們國家科技發展的策略到底是什麼布局到底是什麼這到底是專題報告還是回顧想請教一下副主委最簡單的一題今年是民國幾年\n民國113（2020我可以回去看一下這裡面到底有多少東西在提113年以後的東西啦報告裡面提到了很多項目人工智慧、太空資安都很棒但是裡面都是過去的新聞內容還有你們過去已經決定的東西現在全世界正在關注的議題Robotaxi 8月可能要發布智慧機器人Robot LearningHumanoid\n這個區塊鏈、腦機介面、基因編輯等等在這份報告裡面可以說是資質未提、複資缺乳啦我可不可以問為什麼?在哪裡有嗎?這份裡面有沒有?我想所有的包括很多大型的計畫或者包括這個八大的這個技術平台事實上都是放遠2035的\n請副主委回去翻一下專題報告裡面到底有多少在講未來我可以直接給各位答案在第13頁第三部分3-1的第二段260個字在講今年以後的未來\n我想這是事實我們就不多說了但是昨天賴準副總統發表的內閣名單說要秉持行動創新active innovative的精神組成這樣的內閣但是不只沒有未來AI還只有少少一面又都在回顧過去我們到底AI的中長期戰略到底是什麼\n他請假參加院會\n我們已經查過了今天院會的主題全部都是花蓮的災後的問題根本就跟國會沒有關係沒有關係那我想今天您來這裡會不會其實透露了一個訊息會不會副主委可能未來非常有可能接任國會主委是不是人選我們是不是要先提前恭賀您您即將要高升升任科技政委兼國會主委\n李卓人議員\n主席主席主席\n這個可以持續的來前進那無論520之後誰來領導國科會本席都希望務必兌現當初主委曾經承諾的盡快看到AI基本法的草案送到立院本席也要強調期待AI基本法當中應該要涵蓋AI國際情勢的瞭解AI產業的現況調查的規範這是國科會做得很棒所以我們真的在此予以鼓勵2022年台灣AI國力調查大概很多人不知道這個東西\n但現在2024年了我們新的革規上來了希望能夠趕快的來做新的版本持續都要推出甚至放到我們的AI基本法的規劃當中每年應該要持續更新幫助產官學員界的快速的掌握AI脈動接下來想了解一下副主委對於AI晶片產業的藍圖根據這個國會資料的顯示\n應應生成式AI的快速發展我們有金創計畫還有這個所謂的AI行動2.0的計畫這兩者可以說相輔相成但是我們其實還是想要問說這兩個計畫這樣子這個蘋果Apple Pen這樣合在一起到底我們是要重軟還是重硬還是軟硬兼施到底我們要重大還是重小重新創還是大型產業還是我們大小都要可不可以簡要的回答一下\n2023年到2026年的台灣AI行動計畫是一個跨部會的綱領計畫它事實上是希望以既有的AI技術要落地那晶片驅動台灣產業創新計畫裡面的AI的部分是很重要針對現在生成式AI新的硬體跟軟體的發展\n所以軟硬堅持大型還是小型我們是要補助新創還是補助大型高尖新創是對於這個利用深層式AI跟他的新型技術的深創計畫我們會極力支持應該大小都要如果沒有計畫當然就很難有\n其中有一部分的經費發到經濟部來做這個金創計畫補助業者創新研發看起來是大小兼施但是做法我們覺得有一點疑義首先其中8億要補助新創不知道副主委知不知道我們現在國際的趨勢補助新創不是純補助應該是投資這裡面只是純補助又沒有拿股份\n如果我要投資或補助大型公間業者為主﹑前瞻技術研發突破﹑晶片IC設計,12億台幣是杯水車薪,這是什麼規模?\n伊隆馬斯克並購推特的時候這家公司他花了440億美金相當於1.4兆台幣12億台幣的預算3000萬美金是到底可以補助什麼樣的大型IC設計產業高階技術這個我想\n如果我們沒有辦法好好地去做調整新創業者也沒有扶植好大型公間業者可能又看不上如果真的要補助新創我們就多一點如果要補助這個甚至拿股份如果要補助大型的我們也要足夠的資源否則的話可能兩頭都空了現在真的看起來很多機制在促進但是相關的各類資源真的是非常的混亂我們來看一下\n雖然我們有在經濟部中小企業署有相關窗口看到有些整理,包含這一本也有一些整理,但是我這邊來朗讀一下,來朗讀一下,跟AI有關的政府小組或中心,國家智慧推動小組,國家AI推動小組,大家都可以注意,台灣AI卓越中心,\n中研院還有人工智慧創新應用專題中心．國科會補助設立AI創新研究中心．領航企業研發生根計畫大AI Plus．IC設計工庭補助計畫．驅動國內．\nIC設計業者發展補助計劃．DigitalPlus數位創新補助．智慧國家方案DG2.0．AI領黃推動計劃二代．產業AI落地概念驗證補助．AI應用服務化驗證補助．AI應用．我真的已經有點累了．但真的不好意思．琳瑯滿目小組中心計劃．我相信都是善意．但是很可能卻成為惡意的迷宮．讓產業界的眼花撩亂前途茫茫．\n我們既然這麼關注又有這麼多的資源我們能不能協助產業、產官學把相關的資訊、單位、補助、投資做一個整合建立類似Yellow Page或者是Build in Taiwan、AI at Taiwan這樣的一個創業整合或者資源展現的一站式服務我們這邊給你一個idea\nAI at Taiwan還可以順便呼應一下新內閣幫賴總統宣傳解釋我們這裡講的AI是Artificial Intelligence跟我們昨天發布的Active and Innovative有一點不一樣一起放在這裡有多國語言讓全世界知道我們台灣兩個AI都很重視這不是很好嗎\n可不可以兩週之內研議?\n我們會提供一個架構最後時間有限我們要問的是採購的計畫這個高速運算主機的建制我們過去買了9台主機72片的H100再來要買16這個擴充到16P Flops接下來我們到底要怎麼做我們現在台德有7B有13B是沒有公開的\n但是呢昨天法國的新創公司Mixro公布的是176B開源給大家用的我們接下來到底是還要買H100嗎買也沒有關係但是現在已經有B100 B200甚至GB200 Super Chip\n我們細節可以請\n113年目前目前規劃您剛剛提的沒有錯第一期我們會建就是今年會建16個Peta Flop但是從114開始我們會建100到120個Peta Flop的新機器那這裡面可能包括的都是有可能的新的機器\n謝謝我們比較一下我們72片接下來就算買個100片500片都遠遠不足啦人家是買個這多少三萬兩千塊然後呢這是什麼Meta是35萬顆那我們當然不能跟這些企業去比但我們不能差太多啦同時有新的東西一直出來我們不能等到我們發現要買了再來匡列預算最後去買的時候我們剩下來是菜尾\n主席\n麻煩國科會的同仁也協助注意一下本席真的只是要提醒國科會我們要及早部署跟規劃才有機會盡快採購到最新的設備因為等到我們意識到要買的時候很可能已經排隊都排兩年了接著又出新的C100 C200最後我想如何在先進國家和國際企業的激烈競爭之下\n謝謝副主委\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:12.804 --> 00:16.072\n謝謝主席有請國科會林秉聰副主委備詢好有請林副主委\n\n00:25.033 --> 00:45.135\n副主委今天的專題報告的題目非常棒國家科技發展策略與布局是一個非常前瞻從國家的高度來談整體科技發展大方向的重要題目但是我真的忍不住要講薄薄的十四頁都是交代過去\n\n00:46.630 --> 01:07.165\n甚至沒有現在跟未來我們都翻過了105年講到112年都沒有在講未來請問我們國家科技發展的策略到底是什麼布局到底是什麼這到底是專題報告還是回顧想請教一下副主委最簡單的一題今年是民國幾年\n\n01:08.632 --> 01:32.205\n民國113（2020我可以回去看一下這裡面到底有多少東西在提113年以後的東西啦報告裡面提到了很多項目人工智慧、太空資安都很棒但是裡面都是過去的新聞內容還有你們過去已經決定的東西現在全世界正在關注的議題Robotaxi8月可能要發布智慧機器人RobotLearningHumanoid\n\n01:34.327 --> 01:50.347\n這個區塊鏈、腦機介面、基因編輯等等在這份報告裡面可以說是資質未提、複資缺乳啦我可不可以問為什麼?在哪裡有嗎?這份裡面有沒有?我想所有的包括很多大型的計畫或者包括這個八大的這個技術平台事實上都是放遠2035的\n\n01:52.769 --> 02:12.749\n請副主委回去翻一下專題報告裡面到底有多少在講未來我可以直接給各位答案在第13頁第三部分3-1的第二段260個字在講今年以後的未來\n\n02:15.712 --> 02:34.204\n我想這是事實我們就不多說了但是昨天賴準副總統發表的內閣名單說要秉持行動創新activeinnovative的精神組成這樣的內閣但是不只沒有未來AI還只有少少一面又都在回顧過去我們到底AI的中長期戰略到底是什麼\n\n02:34.684 --> 02:34.784\n他請假參加院會\n\n03:02.319 --> 03:25.888\n我們已經查過了今天院會的主題全部都是花蓮的災後的問題根本就跟國會沒有關係沒有關係那我想今天您來這裡會不會其實透露了一個訊息會不會副主委可能未來非常有可能接任國會主委是不是人選我們是不是要先提前恭賀您您即將要高升升任科技政委兼國會主委\n\n03:26.568 --> 03:26.749\n李卓人議員\n\n03:43.969 --> 03:44.189\n主席主席主席\n\n04:07.316 --> 04:21.862\n這個可以持續的來前進那無論520之後誰來領導國科會本席都希望務必兌現當初主委曾經承諾的盡快看到AI基本法的草案送到立院本席也要強調期待AI基本法當中應該要涵蓋AI國際情勢的瞭解AI產業的現況調查的規範這是國科會做得很棒所以我們真的在此予以鼓勵2022年台灣AI國力調查大概很多人不知道這個東西\n\n04:35.748 --> 04:53.738\n但現在2024年了我們新的革規上來了希望能夠趕快的來做新的版本持續都要推出甚至放到我們的AI基本法的規劃當中每年應該要持續更新幫助產官學員界的快速的掌握AI脈動接下來想了解一下副主委對於AI晶片產業的藍圖根據這個國會資料的顯示\n\n04:58.620 --> 05:07.026\n應應生成式AI的快速發展我們有金創計畫還有這個所謂的AI行動2.0的計畫這兩者可以說相輔相成但是我們其實還是想要問說這兩個計畫這樣子這個蘋果ApplePen這樣合在一起到底我們是要重軟還是重硬還是軟硬兼施到底我們要重大還是重小重新創還是大型產業還是我們大小都要可不可以簡要的回答一下\n\n05:26.266 --> 05:43.491\n2023年到2026年的台灣AI行動計畫是一個跨部會的綱領計畫它事實上是希望以既有的AI技術要落地那晶片驅動台灣產業創新計畫裡面的AI的部分是很重要針對現在生成式AI新的硬體跟軟體的發展\n\n05:44.591 --> 06:01.186\n所以軟硬堅持大型還是小型我們是要補助新創還是補助大型高尖新創是對於這個利用深層式AI跟他的新型技術的深創計畫我們會極力支持應該大小都要如果沒有計畫當然就很難有\n\n06:03.168 --> 06:08.733\n其中有一部分的經費發到經濟部來做這個金創計畫補助業者創新研發看起來是大小兼施但是做法我們覺得有一點疑義首先其中8億要補助新創不知道副主委知不知道我們現在國際的趨勢補助新創不是純補助應該是投資這裡面只是純補助又沒有拿股份\n\n06:24.446 --> 06:33.770\n如果我要投資或補助大型公間業者為主﹑前瞻技術研發突破﹑晶片IC設計,12億台幣是杯水車薪,這是什麼規模?\n\n06:41.374 --> 06:47.902\n伊隆馬斯克並購推特的時候這家公司他花了440億美金相當於1.4兆台幣12億台幣的預算3000萬美金是到底可以補助什麼樣的大型IC設計產業高階技術這個我想\n\n06:59.355 --> 07:24.046\n如果我們沒有辦法好好地去做調整新創業者也沒有扶植好大型公間業者可能又看不上如果真的要補助新創我們就多一點如果要補助這個甚至拿股份如果要補助大型的我們也要足夠的資源否則的話可能兩頭都空了現在真的看起來很多機制在促進但是相關的各類資源真的是非常的混亂我們來看一下\n\n07:25.466 --> 07:45.502\n雖然我們有在經濟部中小企業署有相關窗口看到有些整理,包含這一本也有一些整理,但是我這邊來朗讀一下,來朗讀一下,跟AI有關的政府小組或中心,國家智慧推動小組,國家AI推動小組,大家都可以注意,台灣AI卓越中心,\n\n07:46.363 --> 07:57.050\n中研院還有人工智慧創新應用專題中心．國科會補助設立AI創新研究中心．領航企業研發生根計畫大AIPlus．IC設計工庭補助計畫．驅動國內．\n\n08:04.375 --> 08:30.911\nIC設計業者發展補助計劃．DigitalPlus數位創新補助．智慧國家方案DG2.0．AI領黃推動計劃二代．產業AI落地概念驗證補助．AI應用服務化驗證補助．AI應用．我真的已經有點累了．但真的不好意思．琳瑯滿目小組中心計劃．我相信都是善意．但是很可能卻成為惡意的迷宮．讓產業界的眼花撩亂前途茫茫．\n\n08:33.072 --> 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