{"id":151034,"url":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/151034","video_url":"https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/40ef09094e90200bad0a7dd4e8f7d6b1e63a84d836101fd2f8ba9b0039caa7a6fe35119236caa9935ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8","委員名稱":"楊瓊瓔","委員發言時間":"10:06:23 - 10:15:19","影片長度":"00:08:56","會議時間":"2024-04-11T09:00:00+08:00","會議名稱":"立法院第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查：\n（一）行政院函請審議「遠洋漁業條例第十四條之一、第三十六條之一及第四十七條條文修正草案」案。\n（二）本院委員邱鎮軍等18人擬具「遠洋漁業條例部分條文修正草案」案。\n（三）本院委員楊瓊瓔等21人擬具「遠洋漁業條例增訂第十四條之一及第三十八條之一條文草案」案。\n          （第二案及第三案如經復議，則不予審查。）\n二、審查：\n（一）行政院函請審議「野生動物保育法部分條文修正草案」案。\n（二）本院委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等21人擬具「野生動物保育法部分條文修正草案」案。\n（三）本院委員賴瑞隆等16人擬具「野生動物保育法部分條文修正草案」案。\n（四）本院委員黃捷等22人擬具「野生動物保育法部分條文修正草案」案。\n（五）本院委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等16人擬具「野生動物保育法部分條文修正草案」案。\n（六）本院委員郭昱晴等16人擬具「野生動物保育法部分條文修正草案」案。\n（七）本院委員呂玉玲等17人擬具「野生動物保育法第十九條、第二十一條及第二十一條之一條文修正草案」案。\n（八）本院委員張雅琳等18人擬具「野生動物保育法部分條文修正草案」案。\n　      （第八案如經復議，則不予審查。）\n【4月10日及11日二天一次會】）","meet":{"tmpMeeting":null,"title":"第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議","term":11,"type":"委員會","sessionPeriod":1,"sessionTimes":7,"committees":[19],"id":"委員會-11-1-19-7"},"date":"2024-04-11","duration":536,"end_time":"2024-04-11T10:15:19+08:00","start_time":"2024-04-11T10:06:23+08:00","features":["ai-transcript","gazette"],"type":"Clip","gazette":{"lineno":313,"blocks":[["楊委員瓊瓔：（10時6分）謝謝主席，楊瓊瓔發言，邀請部長。"],["主席：請陳部長。"],["陳代理部長駿季：委員早。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：部長，關於今天討論的議案，我們先針對漁業的部分，2022年美國國家海洋暨大氣總署發布了國際漁業管理改善報告，但臺灣有兩件事情卻上了榜單，第一個是非法漁業，第二個是混獲海龜，這兩項登上了它的不名譽榜單，而且是首次上榜。我個人認為我們必須要加油，所以遠洋漁業條例的修正非常的重要。換句話說，我們也必須配合整個國際間共同合作打擊非法、未報告或不受規範漁撈作業，我們必須強化進口管制措施，落實遠洋漁業管理，對不對？"],["陳代理部長駿季：是。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：所以本席想聽聽看，當您看到這兩項登上了榜單，你心裡做何感想？"],["陳代理部長駿季：針對打擊IUU，我們國家從107年開始就非常非常的努力，之前的這些黃單，我們也好不容易解除了，但是在相關圍網的部分，有時候會誤捕到一些類似海龜混獲的部分，這個混獲的部分，我們漁業署現在也在處理，包括在漁具上面去做一些改良，像減少混獲的這些裝置，而這些裝置其實在國外通用的漁法裡面都已經有一些很好的成功案例了，所以我們已經有在加強這部分魚法的一個改良。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：你怎麼加強，請你書面資料給本席。"],["陳代理部長駿季：好。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：依照剛剛部長的這個說法，並沒有回答到本席問你這兩項不名譽登上了榜單，你的心裡做何感想……"],["陳代理部長駿季：不好受啊！"],["楊委員瓊瓔：當然不好受，但是我們要怎麼樣積極作為，比方說如果會混獲到，但海龜沒有人不認識牠的，好嗎？所以這樣子的說法我們沒有辦法接受，但是我們鼓勵你們積極研討方案出來，所以你把書面資料提供給本席。"],["陳代理部長駿季：好，瞭解。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：全世界各國已經有這麼多好的方案，我們趕快拿出來檢討，好不好？"],["陳代理部長駿季：是。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：接下來本席要跟你討論的，今天動保團體也在群賢樓外面，他們非常的關心，大家也關心，我相信部長你也非常的關心，所以在這樣情況之下，針對捕獸鋏還有金屬套索，所謂的山豬吊，本席跟我們同仁也都提出修正動議，在第十九條裡頭，我們提出的是全面禁止金屬套索，但是我們看到你的報告當中，似乎是不朝著全面禁止，還好你剛才的報告是說要循序漸進，是不是這樣子？"],["陳代理部長駿季：是。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：你所謂的循序漸進，第一個，你說你要用改良式的方法……"],["陳代理部長駿季：改良式的獵具。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：你說口改小一點，讓我們的黑熊不會套進去，可是我真的很難過，我們這麼重要的寶貝，最近這幾年竟然有5次被夾！看到這個數字，我真的心痛啊！那怎麼辦呢？"],["陳代理部長駿季：我跟委員說明，這次這些獸鋏我們禁掉了，但是在其他獵具的部分，像山豬吊這個部分，因為目前靠近山區的農民還有原住民，他還是有必要的狩獵工具，所以我們採用循序漸進，就是改良式的獵具……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：工具當然要啊！但是方法的部分，其他國家比如說英國、澳洲、丹麥、匈牙利，他們都已經禁止會致命的陷阱，他們都已經禁止啦！"],["陳代理部長駿季：對，那是獸鋏，他們禁止的是獸鋏的部分。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：對啊！"],["陳代理部長駿季：剛才委員所提到的，像這張照片所看到的獵具，就是像山豬吊之類的，我們已經有一些改良式的方式。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：你看看那個狗狗腳被截斷了，你看看那個貓貓也是被截斷了，甚至連黑熊都受害，怎麼辦？"],["陳代理部長駿季：所以我們剛才有特別提到，第十九條已經有授權我們在適當的時間可以公告，我們現在正在積極推動這些改良式獵具，以後相對的能夠逐步去取代，然後再一段時間……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：本席還是沒有辦法接受你剛剛在報告當中說你要循序漸進，因為我們也聽不到你的循序漸進、你的流程、你的時間點到底是怎麼樣！所以我希望、我也拜託你，將你們預計要怎麼做以書面資料給本席。"],["陳代理部長駿季：好。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：本席的提案是不能再受這些獵具傷害，也希望你能夠支持。當然你們的版本現在還沒送過來，但未來法通過之後，包括你們在執行過程當中，電商、製造、販售這些應該都在你們版本的限制裡？"],["陳代理部長駿季：對，在動保法裡針對相關獵具不得製造、販賣、生產還有陳列，在那個部分都有……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：本席要特別提出，因為現在的銷售方式，也就是電商平臺，大家都用得非常方便，所以這部分必須要納入你們的約束範圍，對不對？同意吧？"],["陳代理部長駿季：對，我們後續……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：電商平臺這部分？"],["陳代理部長駿季：因為大部分現在很多……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：危害的部分也不能放在這上面，對不對？"],["陳代理部長駿季：是。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：我們好不容易有一個共識。好，謝謝，我們繼續討論。自2017年零安樂死政策實施後，2018年有六千多隻犬貓絕育後被回置街頭，之後每年逐年增加，2022年及2023年已突破2萬多隻。請問有關TNR，也就是捕捉、絕育、釋放到底該怎麼辦？動保專家說狗狗結紮要滿四個月，術後還必須觀察七天，這樣放出去才不會受害。我們可以看到街頭一些貓狗腸子都破掉了，甚至因此沒了生命，這讓我們很難過。到底TNR怎麼做？SOP流程怎麼做？"],["陳代理部長駿季：跟委員說明，TNVR制度本身必須根據不同地區的環境去處理，就回置部分，現在是由收容所來處理。針對TNVR本身來說，我覺得人是一個非常重要的因素，也就是餵養，因為地區上一些人的不當餵養，會導致其族群越來越大，所以現在很重要的就是要去處理人的態度跟他的行為。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：部長，人的態度跟行為當然就是用這樣的觀念去宣導，就政府的TNR制度來說，只是結紮並沒有觀察，所以你不知道後來又放回街頭，導致兩萬多隻……"],["陳代理部長駿季：過去是……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：所以這部分我們必須要去落實，好不好？請把整個SOP流程……"],["陳代理部長駿季：我們把指引再提供給委員。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：詳細書面資料給我，我們一定要精進TNR，好不好？"],["陳代理部長駿季：瞭解。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝楊瓊瓔委員。接下來我們請鄭正鈐委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":456,"meet_id":"委員會-11-1-19-7","speakers":["邱議瑩","邱鎮軍","楊瓊瓔","黃捷","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","呂玉玲","張雅琳","林岱樺","張啓楷","鄭正鈐","陳亭妃","鄭天財Sra 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00:05:15,324\n英國、澳洲、丹麥、匈牙利他們都已經禁止會致命的陷阱啊他們都已經禁止了啊對那是售假他們禁止的是售假的部分對啊對那我現在講的剛才委員所提到的像這支照片所看到的都是列具列具就是像山豬調之類的齁那我們已經有一些你看看那個狗狗腳被截斷了你看看貓貓被截斷了甚至連黑熊都受害對怎麼辦\n\n15\n00:05:17,048 --> 00:05:44,754\n所以我們剛才有特別提到在第十九條已經有授權我們可以去公告適當的時間可以公告那我們現在正在積極的推動這些改良式的列據以後那相對的能夠逐步的去取代那在一段時間本期還是沒有辦法接受你剛剛在報告當中說你循序漸進因為我們也聽不到你的循序漸進你的流程你的時間點到底是怎麼樣所以我也希望我也拜託你將你們預計要怎麼做的\n\n16\n00:05:46,374 --> 00:05:50,356\n條文修正草案案案項目,其中其中一項項目,其中一項項目,其中一項項目,其中一項項目,其中一項項目,其中一項項目,其中一項項目,其中一項項目,其中一項項目,其中一項項目,其中一項項目,\n\n17\n00:06:07,205 --> 00:06:13,890\n條文修正草案案案件及其中一條條文修正草案案件及其中一條條文修正草案案件及其中一條條文修正草案案件及其中一條\n\n18\n00:06:31,764 --> 00:06:32,004\n條文修正草案案案件。\n\n19\n00:06:51,975 --> 00:07:04,842\n2017年離婚熱死政策實施之後2018年有6000多隻的犬貓他絕育之後就回制到街頭去但是我們看到每一年逐年的增加2022年到2023年你是突破了2萬多隻所以我們整個的TNR我們的捕捉、絕育以及釋放我們到底要怎麼辦\n\n20\n00:07:16,989 --> 00:07:20,750\n條文修正草案案案件中的其中一條條文修正草案案件中的其中一條條文修正草案\n\n21\n00:07:44,754 --> 00:08:00,283\n我跟委員說明,TNVR這個制度本身他必須要根據不同的地區的環境去處理所以我們本身在相關的這些回制的部分我們現在是採用收容所的部分去處理\n\n22\n00:08:01,303 --> 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