{"id":151035,"url":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/151035","video_url":"https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/40ef09094e90200bb1a42ea11ecc63d9e63a84d836101fd2f8ba9b0039caa7a6b165d9c3a9e3ea845ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8","委員名稱":"鄭正鈐","委員發言時間":"10:15:20 - 10:23:48","影片長度":"00:08:28","會議時間":"2024-04-11T09:00:00+08:00","會議名稱":"立法院第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查：\n（一）行政院函請審議「遠洋漁業條例第十四條之一、第三十六條之一及第四十七條條文修正草案」案。\n（二）本院委員邱鎮軍等18人擬具「遠洋漁業條例部分條文修正草案」案。\n（三）本院委員楊瓊瓔等21人擬具「遠洋漁業條例增訂第十四條之一及第三十八條之一條文草案」案。\n          （第二案及第三案如經復議，則不予審查。）\n二、審查：\n（一）行政院函請審議「野生動物保育法部分條文修正草案」案。\n（二）本院委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等21人擬具「野生動物保育法部分條文修正草案」案。\n（三）本院委員賴瑞隆等16人擬具「野生動物保育法部分條文修正草案」案。\n（四）本院委員黃捷等22人擬具「野生動物保育法部分條文修正草案」案。\n（五）本院委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等16人擬具「野生動物保育法部分條文修正草案」案。\n（六）本院委員郭昱晴等16人擬具「野生動物保育法部分條文修正草案」案。\n（七）本院委員呂玉玲等17人擬具「野生動物保育法第十九條、第二十一條及第二十一條之一條文修正草案」案。\n（八）本院委員張雅琳等18人擬具「野生動物保育法部分條文修正草案」案。\n　      （第八案如經復議，則不予審查。）\n【4月10日及11日二天一次會】）","meet":{"tmpMeeting":null,"title":"第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議","term":11,"type":"委員會","sessionPeriod":1,"sessionTimes":7,"committees":[19],"id":"委員會-11-1-19-7"},"date":"2024-04-11","duration":508,"end_time":"2024-04-11T10:23:48+08:00","start_time":"2024-04-11T10:15:20+08:00","features":["ai-transcript","gazette"],"type":"Clip","gazette":{"lineno":360,"blocks":[["鄭委員正鈐：（10時15分）主席，我想請陳部長。"],["主席：請陳部長。"],["陳代理部長駿季：委員早。"],["鄭委員正鈐：部長好。今天特別針對遠洋漁業條例及野保法提出修法，針對遠洋漁業條例有一個很重要的部分，就是希望涉及非法、未報告或不受規範漁撈作業的漁獲物或漁產品不得進口，我想這是這次修法一個很重要的部分。我想請問在魚貨中一個比較特別的東西，也就是魚翅的問題。我看了英國非政府組織在臺灣東港及前鎮漁港針對13家加工貿易公司調查發現，其中只有一家有合法的魚翅加工執照，這表示只有一家有很明確的魚翅來源，至於其他12家情況是怎麼樣？可不可以請部長回答一下？"],["陳代理部長駿季：可不可以請署長來回答？"],["鄭委員正鈐：可以。"],["張署長致盛：謝謝委員關心。目前保育類鯊魚禁止捕撈；另外，一般鯊魚雖允許捕撈，但禁止割鰭棄身。"],["鄭委員正鈐：理解。我現在想問的是，如果英國這個NGO組織的調查報告是真實的，13家當中只有一家有合法來源，這對臺灣的國際形象來說一定是不好的。這次修正遠洋漁業條例時，我們希望後續能把可能產生的一些問題圍堵起來。以消費者來講，可能有很多人喜歡吃，但他們也不想吃到非法來源；而餐廳在獲得食材的過程當中，可能也不想進口到非法食材。所以政府如何確保進來的食材是合法的，符合這次的修法規則？部長可不可以回答一下？"],["陳代理部長駿季：我想這就是我們今天最主要的修法目的，也就是杜絕IUU魚貨進口！杜絕IUU魚貨進口之後，就沒有剛才所講的，當消費者辨識時發現有非法進來的，特別是一些非保育類鯊魚最讓人詬病的割鰭棄身……"],["鄭委員正鈐：我瞭解，所以我們接下來要怎麼做？2023年漁業署統計我們的遠洋漁船總共有多少？1,033艘，對不對？這數字有沒有錯？沒有錯吧？"],["陳代理部長駿季：對，一千多艘。"],["鄭委員正鈐：卸魚檢查員總共有多少人？"],["張署長致盛：目前的卸魚檢查率大概是百分之十左右。"],["鄭委員正鈐：有多少人？卸魚檢查員有多少人？"],["張署長致盛：79人。"],["鄭委員正鈐：79人？跟我得到的數字差距很大。不管是我這邊得到的29人，或你講的79人，我們都要再釐清一下。我這邊得到數字是29人，要去檢查那1,033艘的遠洋漁船，顯然是不夠的！如果接下來我們修法通過，想讓所有魚貨都是合法的，那麼我們認為卸魚檢查員可能要再增加，好不好？"],["陳代理部長駿季：針對卸魚檢查員要多少才是適當的，我想我們內部會再來評估。"],["鄭委員正鈐：OK。"],["陳代理部長駿季：如果需要的話就會增加。第二個要跟委員說明的就是，我們自己捕獲的東西會在自己的相關規範裡去處理，不會有非法的進來。"],["鄭委員正鈐：理解。我們希望能夠真正去落實，因為在落實過程當中，不只對漁民很重要，對於整個產業鏈當中，包括餐廳、消費者，都是很重要的保障，好不好？"],["陳代理部長駿季：瞭解。"],["鄭委員正鈐：我們今天還修正野保法，我想請教部長，不管動保法或野保法，主管機關都在農業部，對不對？"],["陳代理部長駿季：是。"],["鄭委員正鈐：在這兩個法當中我們要如何取得平衡，我覺得很重要。因為現在動保法與野保法有很多已經交互重疊在一起了，比方臺灣大學、東華大學都碰過保育類白鼻心被遊蕩犬咬死的事件，這到底該由動保法來保障，還是要由野保法來保障？部長可不可以說明一下？"],["陳代理部長駿季：您所說的是當一般動物……"],["鄭委員正鈐：發生這樣的衝突時，主管機關到底是要用野保法還是動保法？"],["陳代理部長駿季：這要看動物類別而定，一般的……"],["鄭委員正鈐：以動物類別來說，白鼻心現在是保育類，遊蕩犬可能是一般的……"],["陳代理部長駿季：白鼻心現在已經不是保育類了。"],["鄭委員正鈐：OK。如果還不到保育類的話，你要怎麼處理？"],["陳代理部長駿季：一般會用野保法最主要是針對保育類動物，所以我們通常會用野保法去處理。"],["鄭委員正鈐：OK！"],["陳代理部長駿季：然後如果……"],["鄭委員正鈐：東非狒狒就算野保法保障的範圍，對不對？"],["陳代理部長駿季：對。"],["鄭委員正鈐：之前六福村的動物跑出來，對不對？這是用野保法還是動保法？"],["陳代理部長駿季：應該是野保法。"],["鄭委員正鈐：牠跑出來了，但牠又在動物園裡頭，那麼牠適用動保法保障，還是野保法保障？"],["陳代理部長駿季：如果是做動物展演時，就是用動保法來處理，因為動保法針對動物展演有相關規範。"],["鄭委員正鈐：所以跑出來之後就變成用野保法管理，是這個意思嗎？"],["陳代理部長駿季：對，牠出去時，牠本身是用野保法去做相關的……"],["鄭委員正鈐：我舉這幾個例子，最主要是想說，以現在的狀態來講，很多時候野保法跟動保法其實是混在一起，民眾其實也是混淆的。就主管單位來說，野保法是林業署在管的，對不對？動保法是動保司在管的，重點都是農業部在管理，所以我們希望這部分能夠整合得更好，這樣民眾碰到問題時比較能夠知道怎麼做回應。所以本席在這邊主張，農業部是不是有可能設立野生動物保護專線？或者是一個動物的保護專線？動保專線或者是野生動物保護專線？"],["陳代理部長駿季：動保專線1959現在就有了。"],["鄭委員正鈐：現在本來就有對不對？"],["陳代理部長駿季：對，本來就有。"],["鄭委員正鈐：OK，我們對這部分是不是能夠去加強宣導？因為在2021年新竹南寮發生一個遊蕩犬追婦人，結果婦人跌倒死掉，引起國賠的事件，部長知道這個事情，對不對？"],["陳代理部長駿季：對，這個我知道。"],["鄭委員正鈐：我記得我們在2021年之後就辦了一個流浪動物餵養管理的相關座談會。"],["陳代理部長駿季：是的。"],["鄭委員正鈐：3年過去了，請問一下，後續有沒有一些改進？"],["陳代理部長駿季：我想整個禁止餵養的部分，就是從我們整個動物保護本身，針對流浪犬貓的部分，我們最後歸納的結果是人的行為跟態度是最重要的，特別是餵養，但是也不能百分之百絕對的禁止餵養，因為禁止餵養以後……"],["鄭委員正鈐：理解。部長，因為時間有限，我想問一下，在2021年這一次的會議之後，我們有哪些改善？我直接講，因為在那一次當中，我們跟地方政府承辦人員的問卷調查當中，大家都認為很重要的部分就是要增加行政資源。"],["陳代理部長駿季：對。"],["鄭委員正鈐：3年過去了，請問農業部這邊給地方政府增加多少行政資源？"],["陳代理部長駿季：我如果沒有記錯的話，totally是296人，農業部是補助126個人。"],["鄭委員正鈐：OK。針對這部分，我們希望農業部這邊能夠更加強要去改善的部分。"],["陳代理部長駿季：瞭解。"],["鄭委員正鈐：然後針對新竹市的部分再給我一份完整的資料，好不好？"],["陳代理部長駿季：好。"],["鄭委員正鈐：好，謝謝。"],["陳代理部長駿季：謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝鄭正鈐委員，接下來請陳亭妃委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":456,"meet_id":"委員會-11-1-19-7","speakers":["邱議瑩","邱鎮軍","楊瓊瓔","黃捷","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","呂玉玲","張雅琳","林岱樺","張啓楷","鄭正鈐","陳亭妃","鄭天財Sra 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00:01:51,542\n謝謝委員的關心目前對保育類的鯊魚是禁止捕撈這個是部分另外一般的鯊魚其實還是允許捕撈但是禁止割其氣生理解那我現在想問的就是說如果說就是英國這個NGO組織如果他的調查報告是真實的狀態的時候十三家裡面只有一家他有一個合法的一個來源那就台灣來講國際形象一定是不好的所以我們這次在修這個遠洋漁業條例的時候\n\n5\n00:01:53,743 --> 00:02:19,241\n條文修正草案案案件事項。此外,我們也希望說後續能夠把這個可能產生的一些問題把它圍堵起來。對消費者來講的時候,比方說可能有很多人喜歡吃,可是他們也不想吃到非法的一個來源的部分。餐廳他們在做這個食材的過程當中,他們可能也不想要進口到非法的食材。那我們政府如果去確保你進來的食材是能夠是合法的,是符合我們自己修法的規則的。\n\n6\n00:02:20,322 --> 00:02:21,103\n條例部分條文修正草案案。\n\n7\n00:02:50,843 --> 00:03:11,785\n三條之一、第三十六條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十\n\n8\n00:03:12,984 --> 00:03:41,397\n七十九人七十九人跟我得到的數字差距很大那不管是我這邊得到的是二十九人或者是你講的七十九人我們最後再來釐清一下我這邊得到的數字是二十九人那一千零三十三艘遠洋漁船當中你要去做這樣的一個檢查顯然是不夠的那如果說我們接下來的時候我們修法之後我們希望能夠說漁獲都是合法的狀態我們認為限於檢查員可能要再增加好不好\n\n9\n00:03:43,124 --> 00:03:43,424\n條文修正草案案案件。\n\n10\n00:04:01,693 --> 00:04:23,379\n條文修正草案案件事項：立法院第十四條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十\n\n11\n00:04:26,420 --> 00:04:27,140\n條文修正草案．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．\n\n12\n00:04:55,657 --> 00:05:16,948\n你所說的就是當發生這樣的穿途的時候主管的到底是要用野保法還是要用動保法?這個要看好他本身的動物類別那一般的所以現在動物類別就是白鼻青是保育類啊別蚌犬可能就是一般的那個白鼻青現在已經不是保育類的OK那如果是不到保育類的狀態的時候你要怎麼去做處理?\n\n13\n00:05:17,768 --> 00:05:36,629\n條例部分條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期經濟委員會及第十六條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八\n\n14\n00:05:38,257 --> 00:06:00,208\n條例部分條文修正草案．一、審查．一、三十四條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條\n\n15\n00:06:01,808 --> 00:06:23,482\n對,他出去的時候他本身的動物是用野保法去做相關的…所以我舉這幾個例子最主要就是說因為以現在的一個狀態的時候很多時候野保法跟凍保法它其實是混在一起那對民眾來講其實也是混淆的那主管單位一個是野保法是林業署在管對不對那凍保法是凍保室在管\n\n16\n00:06:24,443 --> 00:06:45,672\n三條之一及第四條之一及第七條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條\n\n17\n00:06:46,992 --> 00:07:14,520\n或者是一個動物的保護專線、動保專線或者是也是一個保護專線。現在本來就有對不對?對,本來就有。OK,那我們對這部分是不是能夠去加強一個宣導?因為在2021年的時候新竹南寮發生了一個那個游蚌犬追複人,結果後來複人跌倒、死掉,引起國賠的事件。部長知道這個事情嗎?對不對?對。那麼我記得我們在2021年之後呢,其實就\n\n18\n00:07:15,623 --> 00:07:33,009\n條文修正草案．一、三十六條之一及第十六條條文修正草案．一、三十六條條文修正草案．一、三十六條條文修正草案．一、三十六條條文修正草案．一、三十六條條文修正草案．一、三十六條條文修正草案．一、三十六條條文修正草案．一、三十六條條文修正草案．一、三十六條條條文修正草案．一、三十六條條條文修正草案．一、三十六條條條文修正草案．一、三十六條條條文修正草案�\n\n19\n00:07:40,911 --> 00:08:07,458\n因為禁止餵養以後．﹏理解,不只因為時間有限,我想問一下就是在2021年這一次的會議之後我們有哪些改善?我今天講因為在那一次當中我們跟地方政府的一個承辦人員問卷調查當中大家都認為很重要的一個部分就是要增加行政資源請問三年過來了我們農業部這邊給了地方政府多少的一個行政資源的增加?\n\n20\n00:08:08,345 --> 00:08:09,266\n條文修正草案案案件。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6904\t34324\t主席好,我想請一下陳部長來請陳部長委員長部長好我們今天其實特別針對那個遠洋漁業條例還有那個野保法的一個修法的部分提出一個部分那針對遠洋漁業條例當中的時候我們很重要的部分就是希望涉及非法還有未報告或不受規範遇到作業的漁獲物或漁業產品不得進口\n35825\t37145\t條文修正草案案案件。\n60032\t82026\t三十三條的加工和貿易公司發現其中只有一家有合法的魚翅加工執照,就表示說只有一家它有一個很明確的魚翅的來源。其他十二家情況是怎麼樣的?可不可以請部長回答一下?可不可以請署長來回答?\n85429\t111542\t謝謝委員的關心目前對保育類的鯊魚是禁止捕撈這個是部分另外一般的鯊魚其實還是允許捕撈但是禁止割其氣生理解那我現在想問的就是說如果說就是英國這個NGO組織如果他的調查報告是真實的狀態的時候十三家裡面只有一家他有一個合法的一個來源那就台灣來講國際形象一定是不好的所以我們這次在修這個遠洋漁業條例的時候\n113743\t139241\t條文修正草案案案件事項。此外,我們也希望說後續能夠把這個可能產生的一些問題把它圍堵起來。對消費者來講的時候,比方說可能有很多人喜歡吃,可是他們也不想吃到非法的一個來源的部分。餐廳他們在做這個食材的過程當中,他們可能也不想要進口到非法的食材。那我們政府如果去確保你進來的食材是能夠是合法的,是符合我們自己修法的規則的。\n140322\t141103\t條例部分條文修正草案案。\n170843\t191785\t三條之一、第三十六條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十\n192984\t221397\t七十九人 七十九人跟我得到的數字差距很大那不管是我這邊得到的是二十九人或者是你講的七十九人我們最後再來釐清一下我這邊得到的數字是二十九人那一千零三十三艘遠洋漁船當中你要去做這樣的一個檢查顯然是不夠的那如果說我們接下來的時候我們修法之後我們希望能夠說漁獲都是合法的狀態我們認為限於檢查員可能要再增加好不好\n223124\t223424\t條文修正草案案案件。\n241693\t263379\t條文修正草案案件事項：立法院第十四條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十\n266420\t267140\t條文修正草案．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．\n295657\t316948\t你所說的就是當發生這樣的穿途的時候主管的到底是要用野保法還是要用動保法?這個要看好他本身的動物類別那一般的所以現在動物類別就是白鼻青是保育類啊別蚌犬可能就是一般的那個白鼻青現在已經不是保育類的OK那如果是不到保育類的狀態的時候你要怎麼去做處理?\n317768\t336629\t條例部分條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期經濟委員會及第十六條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八\n338257\t360208\t條例部分條文修正草案．一、審查．一、三十四條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條\n361808\t383482\t對,他出去的時候他本身的動物是用野保法去做相關的…所以我舉這幾個例子最主要就是說因為以現在的一個狀態的時候很多時候野保法跟凍保法它其實是混在一起那對民眾來講其實也是混淆的那主管單位一個是野保法是林業署在管對不對那凍保法是凍保室在管\n384443\t405672\t三條之一及第四條之一及第七條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條\n406992\t434520\t或者是一個動物的保護專線、動保專線或者是也是一個保護專線。現在本來就有對不對?對,本來就有。OK,那我們對這部分是不是能夠去加強一個宣導?因為在2021年的時候新竹南寮發生了一個那個游蚌犬追複人,結果後來複人跌倒、死掉,引起國賠的事件。部長知道這個事情嗎?對不對?對。那麼我記得我們在2021年之後呢,其實就\n435623\t453009\t條文修正草案．一、三十六條之一及第十六條條文修正草案．一、三十六條條文修正草案．一、三十六條條文修正草案．一、三十六條條文修正草案．一、三十六條條文修正草案．一、三十六條條文修正草案．一、三十六條條文修正草案．一、三十六條條文修正草案．一、三十六條條條文修正草案．一、三十六條條條文修正草案．一、三十六條條條文修正草案．一、三十六條條條文修正草案�\n460911\t487458\t因為禁止餵養以後．﹏理解,不只因為時間有限,我想問一下就是在2021年這一次的會議之後我們有哪些改善?我今天講因為在那一次當中我們跟地方政府的一個承辦人員問卷調查當中大家都認為很重要的一個部分就是要增加行政資源請問三年過來了我們農業部這邊給了地方政府多少的一個行政資源的增加?\n488345\t489266\t條文修正草案案案件。\n","txt":"主席好,我想請一下陳部長來請陳部長委員長部長好我們今天其實特別針對那個遠洋漁業條例還有那個野保法的一個修法的部分提出一個部分那針對遠洋漁業條例當中的時候我們很重要的部分就是希望涉及非法還有未報告或不受規範遇到作業的漁獲物或漁業產品不得進口\n條文修正草案案案件。\n三十三條的加工和貿易公司發現其中只有一家有合法的魚翅加工執照,就表示說只有一家它有一個很明確的魚翅的來源。其他十二家情況是怎麼樣的?可不可以請部長回答一下?可不可以請署長來回答?\n謝謝委員的關心目前對保育類的鯊魚是禁止捕撈這個是部分另外一般的鯊魚其實還是允許捕撈但是禁止割其氣生理解那我現在想問的就是說如果說就是英國這個NGO組織如果他的調查報告是真實的狀態的時候十三家裡面只有一家他有一個合法的一個來源那就台灣來講國際形象一定是不好的所以我們這次在修這個遠洋漁業條例的時候\n條文修正草案案案件事項。此外,我們也希望說後續能夠把這個可能產生的一些問題把它圍堵起來。對消費者來講的時候,比方說可能有很多人喜歡吃,可是他們也不想吃到非法的一個來源的部分。餐廳他們在做這個食材的過程當中,他們可能也不想要進口到非法的食材。那我們政府如果去確保你進來的食材是能夠是合法的,是符合我們自己修法的規則的。\n條例部分條文修正草案案。\n三條之一、第三十六條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十\n七十九人 七十九人跟我得到的數字差距很大那不管是我這邊得到的是二十九人或者是你講的七十九人我們最後再來釐清一下我這邊得到的數字是二十九人那一千零三十三艘遠洋漁船當中你要去做這樣的一個檢查顯然是不夠的那如果說我們接下來的時候我們修法之後我們希望能夠說漁獲都是合法的狀態我們認為限於檢查員可能要再增加好不好\n條文修正草案案案件。\n條文修正草案案件事項：立法院第十四條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十\n條文修正草案．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．\n你所說的就是當發生這樣的穿途的時候主管的到底是要用野保法還是要用動保法?這個要看好他本身的動物類別那一般的所以現在動物類別就是白鼻青是保育類啊別蚌犬可能就是一般的那個白鼻青現在已經不是保育類的OK那如果是不到保育類的狀態的時候你要怎麼去做處理?\n條例部分條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期經濟委員會及第十六條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八\n條例部分條文修正草案．一、審查．一、三十四條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條\n對,他出去的時候他本身的動物是用野保法去做相關的…所以我舉這幾個例子最主要就是說因為以現在的一個狀態的時候很多時候野保法跟凍保法它其實是混在一起那對民眾來講其實也是混淆的那主管單位一個是野保法是林業署在管對不對那凍保法是凍保室在管\n三條之一及第四條之一及第七條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條\n或者是一個動物的保護專線、動保專線或者是也是一個保護專線。現在本來就有對不對?對,本來就有。OK,那我們對這部分是不是能夠去加強一個宣導?因為在2021年的時候新竹南寮發生了一個那個游蚌犬追複人,結果後來複人跌倒、死掉,引起國賠的事件。部長知道這個事情嗎?對不對?對。那麼我記得我們在2021年之後呢,其實就\n條文修正草案．一、三十六條之一及第十六條條文修正草案．一、三十六條條文修正草案．一、三十六條條文修正草案．一、三十六條條文修正草案．一、三十六條條文修正草案．一、三十六條條文修正草案．一、三十六條條文修正草案．一、三十六條條文修正草案．一、三十六條條條文修正草案．一、三十六條條條文修正草案．一、三十六條條條文修正草案．一、三十六條條條文修正草案�\n因為禁止餵養以後．﹏理解,不只因為時間有限,我想問一下就是在2021年這一次的會議之後我們有哪些改善?我今天講因為在那一次當中我們跟地方政府的一個承辦人員問卷調查當中大家都認為很重要的一個部分就是要增加行政資源請問三年過來了我們農業部這邊給了地方政府多少的一個行政資源的增加?\n條文修正草案案案件。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.904 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03:41.397\n七十九人七十九人跟我得到的數字差距很大那不管是我這邊得到的是二十九人或者是你講的七十九人我們最後再來釐清一下我這邊得到的數字是二十九人那一千零三十三艘遠洋漁船當中你要去做這樣的一個檢查顯然是不夠的那如果說我們接下來的時候我們修法之後我們希望能夠說漁獲都是合法的狀態我們認為限於檢查員可能要再增加好不好\n\n03:43.124 --> 03:43.424\n條文修正草案案案件。\n\n04:01.693 --> 04:23.379\n條文修正草案案件事項：立法院第十四條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十\n\n04:26.420 --> 04:27.140\n條文修正草案．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．\n\n04:55.657 --> 05:16.948\n你所說的就是當發生這樣的穿途的時候主管的到底是要用野保法還是要用動保法?這個要看好他本身的動物類別那一般的所以現在動物類別就是白鼻青是保育類啊別蚌犬可能就是一般的那個白鼻青現在已經不是保育類的OK那如果是不到保育類的狀態的時候你要怎麼去做處理?\n\n05:17.768 --> 05:36.629\n條例部分條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期經濟委員會及第十六條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八\n\n05:38.257 --> 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