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00:02:42,993\n至少要努力讓一些願意做研究的時候他不要做得太辛苦是我們不敢講說他的薪水可以比較但是至少讓他在這邊生活無虞可是目前我們其實因為這些博士班其實他們都還沒有從博士班畢業喔那怎麼增加突然之間其實增加人數的報酬其實已經增加了三倍\n\n9\n00:02:43,773 --> 00:03:12,312\n目前我們看到其實碩士班和博士班的申請總人數事實上已經在下降雖然還沒有畢業但新進的我們就可以預看到這個部分的事實上是變化相當大尤其是在像STEM的這個範圍內本身它已經有一個很明顯的趨勢當然也包含少子化的問題也是其中原因我想眾多原因加在一起我們必須更要用比較強有力的機制去支持這些做博士研究的\n\n10\n00:03:12,452 --> 00:03:23,238\n我們有提供比業界更好的條件嗎目前來講如果經費是無限的我們當然是希望無限增加經費怎麼可能會無限對不可能無限所以我們現在只是從原來事實上提到到4萬塊那4萬塊至少維持一個生活基本的生活這個部分讓老師或者是學生以前的話大部分的博士班學生是靠老師來支持嘛尤其是在一個實驗室裡面那我們的總預算本身也有限\n\n11\n00:03:39,246 --> 00:04:03,617\n所以我們就直接針對博士班你們預期這1000名今年會招得滿嗎?我們目前已經招滿而且事實上有相當多人來申請好那我們就來看一下我們的這些資源的比例400名的部分已經滿那因為那個學校的部分還在學校但目前來申請還很踴躍是而且跟委員報告我們還去開拓就是希望能國外的來就是其實有一部分事實上有相當多國外的也來申請\n\n12\n00:04:04,777 --> 00:04:30,826\n我們來看一下我們的這個配置這個比例上我們可以看到比方說是112年的時候其實國立台灣大學我們這邊是58名那另外在113年就是今年其實我們國立的台灣大學是113位那其他的學校的部分我們發現這個比例上是不是會有一些\n\n13\n00:04:32,266 --> 00:04:33,327\n資源分配不均的一些問題\n\n14\n00:04:54,404 --> 00:05:23,298\n既然講到我們國科會的一些計畫我們就再來往下看當然我們看到其實我們為了要招募這些人才其實我們是為了儲備核心戰略產業人才對吧是沒錯好那既然是六大核心產業的人才我們就來看這六大核心戰略大部分都是跟資訊有關資安有關國防戰略還有我們的一些綠能跟再生資源等等對不對\n\n15\n00:05:27,381 --> 00:05:45,656\n這個主要是針對產業這是我們的分配是有八大的技術平台因為國科會要資助的博士班他是要做研究研究部分他必須要有一個研究的重點所以這個重點其實是剛剛我在報告的時候或是我們專題報告裡面是八大技術平台所以你們又拉出了另外一個是八大\n\n16\n00:05:45,896 --> 00:05:49,118\n我比較好奇的是我們所入選的這些人他們來自科系我們來看一下我們看到有哲學系另外還有美術系另外還有中文系\n\n17\n00:06:09,671 --> 00:06:37,959\n那這個部分他們是在這個你們所謂的八大的這樣子的一個計畫當中是符合哪一項我想國科會的審查跟學校會有很大的不一樣我們是針對他未來要讀或者是他現在做的題目跟他的研究所以他必須要寫一個小的research的一個proposal那我們來看下一頁就是說在這個所謂的博士生他們的一個獎助學金的領域的分布我個人是覺得\n\n18\n00:06:39,139 --> 00:07:04,494\n在資安的部分我們只有通過率只有30%也就是說推薦數入選人數三位然後在人文的部分就包含我剛剛所念的不管是藝術美術也好或者是我們的中文系也好哲學系也好這個是我個人因為可能我外行所以其實我真的會覺得有一點疑慮那他們的入選人數跟通過率是50%\n\n19\n00:07:06,115 --> 00:07:18,319\n那資安這麼的重要為什麼他的人數只有3跟委員報告其實問這個問題是非常重要的其實資安部分其實我們另外有其他的計畫專案的計畫去對他師資跟學生的支持\n\n20\n00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:23,301\n所以你們是不是應該要把平均式的比方說我每一個人補助他4萬可是我在資安人員我是應該要提高\n\n21\n00:07:44,253 --> 00:08:00,323\n這個未來我們要有很強的理由去做一些分布那我想治安這個部分省3只有30%這個部分我想我們可以去理解然後還是因為我們都是專家省就是專家的審查那人文社會我這裡要強調人文社會非常重要\n\n22\n00:08:00,683 --> 00:08:01,964\n我們全盤去理解看其他計畫的配合\n\n23\n00:08:25,100 --> 00:08:54,069\n因為我們再往下一張看我們看到我們的這是你們的這個政策的一個研究光是在政策的議題上面其實就沒有出現人文社會的議題喔所以我就不知道您剛才說的這個專業的在第一屆本身裡面的主要研究員都是社會人文的我想目前這第一屆是我們最近社會剛成立的科技民主跟社會研究中心嘛它的組成本身那它是讓人文的觀點去看現在\n\n24\n00:08:55,069 --> 00:08:55,349\n這個我懂\n\n25\n00:09:21,096 --> 00:09:37,407\n對,所以我們現在這裡的題目也許看到是AI但是AI它本身就是一個人文問題跟社會問題好,就我剛剛所提的我覺得在我們人才的補助或者獎助學金我覺得這個部分是不是應該要依照我們的現狀可以來做一些修正跟調整我覺得你們那補的1000名才會有意義啦\n\n26\n00:09:42,170 --> 00:09:42,530\n委員會委員會委員會\n\n27\n00:10:01,460 --> 00:10:03,122\n謝謝主委謝謝副主委謝謝主席\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4221\t5667\t致謝主席 有請副主委\n10902\t39021\t委員早安早安副主委不曉得您知不知道現在在去年年底有一個新聞就有特別提到多所的鼎大的碩博班他們註冊率幾乎是零那也就是說不曉得是少子化的關係還是因為什麼樣的關係其實我們的碩博班目前為止很多人其實是註冊率是掛零的\n39821\t41102\t昨年之前我們原本從這個名額是300位\n61015\t61435\t委員會主席\n78044\t105314\t好那問題是這個從108年事辦到今年其實有很多的博士他們還沒有從學校畢業那為什麼就在今年突然突增了就是這麼多的名額這個是我比較好奇也是比較有疑慮的一些地方就是說我們這1000名突然之間在今年有\n106114\t125425\t加了這麼多的名額這個是什麼樣的一個構想我想原來300名分配到各個學校還是生多米少就是說其實還是非常非常的有限所以我們增加以在budget可以的範圍之內增加到1000名那另外一個當然就是一個大環境\n125805\t126366\t所以我們要跟其他的產業界搶人\n143294\t162993\t至少要努力讓一些願意做研究的時候他不要做得太辛苦是我們不敢講說他的薪水可以比較但是至少讓他在這邊生活無虞可是目前我們其實因為這些博士班其實他們都還沒有從博士班畢業喔那怎麼增加突然之間其實增加人數的報酬其實已經增加了三倍\n163773\t192312\t目前我們看到其實碩士班和博士班的申請總人數事實上已經在下降雖然還沒有畢業但新進的我們就可以預看到這個部分的事實上是變化相當大尤其是在像STEM的這個範圍內本身它已經有一個很明顯的趨勢當然也包含少子化的問題也是其中原因我想眾多原因加在一起我們必須更要用比較強有力的機制去支持這些做博士研究的\n192452\t203238\t我們有提供比業界更好的條件嗎目前來講如果經費是無限的我們當然是希望無限增加經費怎麼可能會無限對 不可能無限所以我們現在只是從原來事實上提到到4萬塊那4萬塊至少維持一個生活基本的生活這個部分讓老師或者是學生以前的話大部分的博士班學生是靠老師來支持嘛尤其是在一個實驗室裡面那我們的總預算本身也有限\n219246\t243617\t所以我們就直接針對博士班你們預期這1000名今年會招得滿嗎?我們目前已經招滿而且事實上有相當多人來申請好 那我們就來看一下我們的這些資源的比例400名的部分已經滿那因為那個學校的部分還在學校但目前來申請還很踴躍是而且跟委員報告我們還去開拓就是希望能國外的來就是其實有一部分事實上有相當多國外的也來申請\n244777\t270826\t我們來看一下我們的這個配置這個比例上我們可以看到比方說是112年的時候其實國立台灣大學我們這邊是58名那另外在113年就是今年其實我們國立的台灣大學是113位那其他的學校的部分我們發現這個比例上是不是會有一些\n272266\t273327\t資源分配不均的一些問題\n294404\t323298\t既然講到我們國科會的一些計畫我們就再來往下看當然我們看到其實我們為了要招募這些人才其實我們是為了儲備核心戰略產業人才對吧是沒錯好那既然是六大核心產業的人才我們就來看這六大核心戰略大部分都是跟資訊有關資安有關國防戰略還有我們的一些綠能跟再生資源等等對不對\n327381\t345656\t這個主要是針對產業這是我們的分配是有八大的技術平台因為國科會要資助的博士班他是要做研究研究部分他必須要有一個研究的重點所以這個重點其實是剛剛我在報告的時候或是我們專題報告裡面是八大技術平台所以你們又拉出了另外一個是八大\n345896\t349118\t我比較好奇的是我們所入選的這些人他們來自科系我們來看一下我們看到有哲學系另外還有美術系另外還有中文系\n369671\t397959\t那這個部分他們是在這個你們所謂的八大的這樣子的一個計畫當中是符合哪一項我想國科會的審查跟學校會有很大的不一樣我們是針對他未來要讀或者是他現在做的題目跟他的研究所以他必須要寫一個小的research的一個proposal那我們來看下一頁就是說在這個所謂的博士生他們的一個獎助學金的領域的分布我個人是覺得\n399139\t424494\t在資安的部分我們只有通過率只有30%也就是說推薦數入選人數三位然後在人文的部分就包含我剛剛所念的不管是藝術美術也好或者是我們的中文系也好哲學系也好這個是我個人因為可能我外行所以其實我真的會覺得有一點疑慮那他們的入選人數跟通過率是50%\n426115\t438319\t那資安這麼的重要為什麼他的人數只有3跟委員報告其實問這個問題是非常重要的其實資安部分其實我們另外有其他的計畫專案的計畫去對他師資跟學生的支持\n441280\t443301\t所以你們是不是應該要把平均式的比方說我每一個人補助他4萬可是我在資安人員我是應該要提高\n464253\t480323\t這個未來我們要有很強的理由去做一些分布那我想治安這個部分省3只有30%這個部分我想我們可以去理解然後還是因為我們都是專家省就是專家的審查那人文社會我這裡要強調人文社會非常重要\n480683\t481964\t我們全盤去理解看其他計畫的配合\n505100\t534069\t因為我們再往下一張看我們看到我們的這是你們的這個政策的一個研究光是在政策的議題上面其實就沒有出現人文社會的議題喔所以我就不知道您剛才說的這個專業的在第一屆本身裡面的主要研究員都是社會人文的我想目前這第一屆是我們最近社會剛成立的科技民主跟社會研究中心嘛它的組成本身那它是讓人文的觀點去看現在\n535069\t535349\t這個我懂\n561096\t577407\t對,所以我們現在這裡的題目也許看到是AI但是AI它本身就是一個人文問題跟社會問題好,就我剛剛所提的我覺得在我們人才的補助或者獎助學金我覺得這個部分是不是應該要依照我們的現狀可以來做一些修正跟調整我覺得你們那補的1000名才會有意義啦\n582170\t582530\t委員會委員會委員會\n601460\t603122\t謝謝主委 謝謝副主委 謝謝主席\n","txt":"致謝主席 有請副主委\n委員早安早安副主委不曉得您知不知道現在在去年年底有一個新聞就有特別提到多所的鼎大的碩博班他們註冊率幾乎是零那也就是說不曉得是少子化的關係還是因為什麼樣的關係其實我們的碩博班目前為止很多人其實是註冊率是掛零的\n昨年之前我們原本從這個名額是300位\n委員會主席\n好那問題是這個從108年事辦到今年其實有很多的博士他們還沒有從學校畢業那為什麼就在今年突然突增了就是這麼多的名額這個是我比較好奇也是比較有疑慮的一些地方就是說我們這1000名突然之間在今年有\n加了這麼多的名額這個是什麼樣的一個構想我想原來300名分配到各個學校還是生多米少就是說其實還是非常非常的有限所以我們增加以在budget可以的範圍之內增加到1000名那另外一個當然就是一個大環境\n所以我們要跟其他的產業界搶人\n至少要努力讓一些願意做研究的時候他不要做得太辛苦是我們不敢講說他的薪水可以比較但是至少讓他在這邊生活無虞可是目前我們其實因為這些博士班其實他們都還沒有從博士班畢業喔那怎麼增加突然之間其實增加人數的報酬其實已經增加了三倍\n目前我們看到其實碩士班和博士班的申請總人數事實上已經在下降雖然還沒有畢業但新進的我們就可以預看到這個部分的事實上是變化相當大尤其是在像STEM的這個範圍內本身它已經有一個很明顯的趨勢當然也包含少子化的問題也是其中原因我想眾多原因加在一起我們必須更要用比較強有力的機制去支持這些做博士研究的\n我們有提供比業界更好的條件嗎目前來講如果經費是無限的我們當然是希望無限增加經費怎麼可能會無限對 不可能無限所以我們現在只是從原來事實上提到到4萬塊那4萬塊至少維持一個生活基本的生活這個部分讓老師或者是學生以前的話大部分的博士班學生是靠老師來支持嘛尤其是在一個實驗室裡面那我們的總預算本身也有限\n所以我們就直接針對博士班你們預期這1000名今年會招得滿嗎?我們目前已經招滿而且事實上有相當多人來申請好 那我們就來看一下我們的這些資源的比例400名的部分已經滿那因為那個學校的部分還在學校但目前來申請還很踴躍是而且跟委員報告我們還去開拓就是希望能國外的來就是其實有一部分事實上有相當多國外的也來申請\n我們來看一下我們的這個配置這個比例上我們可以看到比方說是112年的時候其實國立台灣大學我們這邊是58名那另外在113年就是今年其實我們國立的台灣大學是113位那其他的學校的部分我們發現這個比例上是不是會有一些\n資源分配不均的一些問題\n既然講到我們國科會的一些計畫我們就再來往下看當然我們看到其實我們為了要招募這些人才其實我們是為了儲備核心戰略產業人才對吧是沒錯好那既然是六大核心產業的人才我們就來看這六大核心戰略大部分都是跟資訊有關資安有關國防戰略還有我們的一些綠能跟再生資源等等對不對\n這個主要是針對產業這是我們的分配是有八大的技術平台因為國科會要資助的博士班他是要做研究研究部分他必須要有一個研究的重點所以這個重點其實是剛剛我在報告的時候或是我們專題報告裡面是八大技術平台所以你們又拉出了另外一個是八大\n我比較好奇的是我們所入選的這些人他們來自科系我們來看一下我們看到有哲學系另外還有美術系另外還有中文系\n那這個部分他們是在這個你們所謂的八大的這樣子的一個計畫當中是符合哪一項我想國科會的審查跟學校會有很大的不一樣我們是針對他未來要讀或者是他現在做的題目跟他的研究所以他必須要寫一個小的research的一個proposal那我們來看下一頁就是說在這個所謂的博士生他們的一個獎助學金的領域的分布我個人是覺得\n在資安的部分我們只有通過率只有30%也就是說推薦數入選人數三位然後在人文的部分就包含我剛剛所念的不管是藝術美術也好或者是我們的中文系也好哲學系也好這個是我個人因為可能我外行所以其實我真的會覺得有一點疑慮那他們的入選人數跟通過率是50%\n那資安這麼的重要為什麼他的人數只有3跟委員報告其實問這個問題是非常重要的其實資安部分其實我們另外有其他的計畫專案的計畫去對他師資跟學生的支持\n所以你們是不是應該要把平均式的比方說我每一個人補助他4萬可是我在資安人員我是應該要提高\n這個未來我們要有很強的理由去做一些分布那我想治安這個部分省3只有30%這個部分我想我們可以去理解然後還是因為我們都是專家省就是專家的審查那人文社會我這裡要強調人文社會非常重要\n我們全盤去理解看其他計畫的配合\n因為我們再往下一張看我們看到我們的這是你們的這個政策的一個研究光是在政策的議題上面其實就沒有出現人文社會的議題喔所以我就不知道您剛才說的這個專業的在第一屆本身裡面的主要研究員都是社會人文的我想目前這第一屆是我們最近社會剛成立的科技民主跟社會研究中心嘛它的組成本身那它是讓人文的觀點去看現在\n這個我懂\n對,所以我們現在這裡的題目也許看到是AI但是AI它本身就是一個人文問題跟社會問題好,就我剛剛所提的我覺得在我們人才的補助或者獎助學金我覺得這個部分是不是應該要依照我們的現狀可以來做一些修正跟調整我覺得你們那補的1000名才會有意義啦\n委員會委員會委員會\n謝謝主委 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