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（第八案如經復議，則不予審查。）\n【4月10日及11日二天一次會】）","meet":{"tmpMeeting":null,"title":"第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議","term":11,"type":"委員會","sessionPeriod":1,"sessionTimes":7,"committees":[19],"id":"委員會-11-1-19-7"},"date":"2024-04-11","duration":386,"end_time":"2024-04-11T10:30:17+08:00","start_time":"2024-04-11T10:23:51+08:00","features":["ai-transcript","gazette"],"type":"Clip","gazette":{"lineno":422,"blocks":[["陳委員亭妃：（10時23分）謝謝召委，請部長。"],["主席：請陳部長。"],["陳代理部長駿季：委員早。"],["陳委員亭妃：我想今天我們在討論的這個議題應該已經討論很久，從上個會期一直都在關注，獸鋏的部分應該是比較沒有爭議啦！"],["陳代理部長駿季：是。"],["陳委員亭妃：就是說大家認為全面禁用的部分，當然在所謂的山豬吊的部分，現在可能跟民間的力量、跟民間的聲音有點不大一樣。"],["陳代理部長駿季：是。"],["陳委員亭妃：但是我覺得我們要說清楚，大家過去都認為山豬吊也是用舊有的那一種狀況，就是口徑會比較大，所以大小通吃會影響到整個生物鏈的狀態。"],["陳代理部長駿季：是。"],["陳委員亭妃：所以在這個部分，到底我們在這個區塊，現在要怎麼做？"],["陳代理部長駿季：跟委員說明，因為野保法第十九條就有規範，今天除了這些獸鋏以外，我們針對其他捕獵的這些獵具的部分，可以得由我們來公告。針對委員所關心的山豬吊的部分，因為山豬吊目前在靠近山邊農民的地區、農業生產地帶，還有原住民部落在狩獵的時候，可能還是一個必要的工具，如果現在把它禁掉，反而會造成一些非法的、地下化的交易，所以我們現在積極在推動改良式獵捕的獵具，這樣的獵具我們在過往推動的，包括宣導已經宣導得滿普遍了，我們希望在一段時間之內，如果把這個改良式的獵具推到某個程度的時候，那我們就可以根據第十九條去做一個公告，禁止現有的、原來的山豬吊的製造。"],["陳委員亭妃：部長，你既然有在做，你要把這個區分得很清楚。"],["陳代理部長駿季：是。"],["陳委員亭妃：也就是說，基本上，站在我們的立場，山豬吊我們也是反對的？"],["陳代理部長駿季：是。"],["陳委員亭妃：我們現在是一個改良式的獵具，這個改良式的獵具，基本上，它的口徑變小，它不會像山豬吊這樣。"],["陳代理部長駿季：是。"],["陳委員亭妃：所以我覺得這個部分你們要講清楚，到底改良式的獵具會不會繼續造成誤捕其他的野生動物？林業署要如何去落實執行整個管控的機制？我覺得大家應該要把這個話講清楚，否則你們每次都講得不清不楚，修法之後，過去大家所認為的就是，我們的山豬吊還有獸鋏這兩個一定要把它斷掉，可是現在我們只有把獸鋏正式修法，在山豬吊的部分，現在所有民間他們都覺得我們是做半套，但事實上並不是如此，那是你們話沒有講清楚啊！"],["陳代理部長駿季：好，我跟委員說明，其實除了獵具以外，我們農業部的立場，對山豬吊也是反對的，但是以剛才講的，因為山豬吊現在有它繼續用的一個必要……"],["陳委員亭妃：所以要改變名字嘛！我們不要用山豬吊啦！"],["陳代理部長駿季：對，就不要用這個了，我們用改良式的獵具……"],["陳委員亭妃：它不再是山豬吊嘛！"],["陳代理部長駿季：對，我們現在的改良式獵具……"],["陳委員亭妃：所以未來只要是我們正式在3至6個月……我覺得你這個時間要有魄力啦！"],["陳代理部長駿季：是。"],["陳委員亭妃：到底是3個月、6個月？給你們宣導，如果宣導了，我們希望大家用改良式的獵具，不是山豬吊，之後我們全面禁止山豬吊，兩個是不一樣嘛！"],["陳代理部長駿季：務實的部分，我們可以承諾在1年之內，因為我們看到我們把這些改良式的獵具跟原住民，特別是原住民地區的狩獵要有更好的溝通，所以我們承諾在1年之內進行改良式的獵具推廣，然後我們就把現有的、原來的山豬吊禁止，變成一個改良式的獵具。"],["陳委員亭妃：用第十九條的部分？"],["陳代理部長駿季：對。"],["陳委員亭妃：用第十九條，你們直接公告禁止？"],["陳代理部長駿季：是。"],["陳委員亭妃：你這個要講清楚，人民才聽得懂啦！"],["陳代理部長駿季：瞭解。"],["陳委員亭妃：否則就會覺得你就是做半套，其實現在不是做半套，只是因為在所謂的調和當中，現在有很多我們的原住民或是我們的農民朋友還是需要改良式的這些相關的協助，然後協助之後，他並不是直接會影響到所謂獵捕一些大型的野生保育類動物，所以我覺得要講清楚，否則每一次好像我們修了法都是走一半的，所以有沒有決心？"],["陳代理部長駿季：我想我們絕對有決心，就像剛才委員講的，針對其他這種對動物比較有致害，像山豬吊之類的，根據第十九條，我們可以公告，但是現在因為有一個過渡緩衝期，我們用1年為限，我們推動以1年為限。"],["陳委員亭妃：意思是說，1年之後你們就會公告山豬吊不能用了？"],["陳代理部長駿季：是，我們用1年為限去推廣，然後我們就禁止。"],["陳委員亭妃：所以就是1年？"],["陳代理部長駿季：對，1年。"],["陳委員亭妃：1年之後你們就會公告？"],["陳代理部長駿季：我們就把它公告禁止。"],["陳委員亭妃：公告禁止。"],["陳代理部長駿季：對。"],["陳委員亭妃：所以這1年讓你們去做一些……"],["陳代理部長駿季：推廣改良式的獵具。"],["陳委員亭妃：宣傳、宣導改良式獵具？"],["陳代理部長駿季：是。"],["陳委員亭妃：這個要很確定喔！"],["陳代理部長駿季：確定。"],["陳委員亭妃：這個是在這裡講的喔！"],["陳代理部長駿季：在立法院我們會承諾。"],["陳委員亭妃：我們在逐條審的時候也會把它納入喔！"],["陳代理部長駿季：好，瞭解。"],["陳委員亭妃：還有，現在行政院版本有針對持有、販售、製造、陳列、輸出入進行納管，重點是你們要怎麼從源頭管理？"],["陳代理部長駿季：現在這個部分在動保法裡面就有明列了，相對的，這些獵具本身，它是一致性的，不一定要在野保法也同樣規範，我們在動保法規範的話……"],["陳委員亭妃：重點是你要怎麼從源頭管理啦！"],["陳代理部長駿季：我想整個製造的部分，我先講陳列的部分……"],["陳委員亭妃：部長，待會會進行逐條審查，這個源頭管理怎麼處理比較重要，我覺得要思考比較好，不要讓修法大打折扣。"],["陳代理部長駿季：是，瞭解。"],["陳委員亭妃：謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝陳亭妃委員，接下來請鄭天財委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":456,"meet_id":"委員會-11-1-19-7","speakers":["邱議瑩","邱鎮軍","楊瓊瓔","黃捷","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","呂玉玲","張雅琳","林岱樺","張啓楷","鄭正鈐","陳亭妃","鄭天財Sra 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00:00:39,114\n我想今天我們在討論這個議題應該是已經討論很久從上個會期一直都在關注那售假的部分應該是比較沒有爭議就是說大家認為就是全面禁用的部分那當然在所謂的這個山豬釣的部分現在可能跟民間的力量跟民間的聲音有點不太一樣\n\n3\n00:00:40,174 --> 00:00:58,691\n三）本院委員楊瓊瓔等21人擬具«遠洋漁業條例第十四條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條\n\n4\n00:01:02,932 --> 00:01:16,958\n我想跟委員說明因為在18碗裡面第19條就有規範就是我們今天除了這些售假以外我們針對其他的這些補列的這些列據的部分我們可以會可以得我們來公告\n\n5\n00:01:17,523 --> 00:01:21,444\n條文修正草案．一．三．本院委員楊瓊瓔等21人擬具:「遠洋漁業條例部分條文修正草案．一．三．本院委員楊瓊瓔等21人擬具\n\n6\n00:01:43,953 --> 00:02:01,403\n三十六條之一及第四十九條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一\n\n7\n00:02:03,561 --> 00:02:06,002\n三）本院委員楊瓊瓔等21人擬具三）本院委員楊瓊瓔等21人擬具三）本院委員\n\n8\n00:02:22,529 --> 00:02:44,610\n條文修正草案案案件及其他條文修正草案案件及其他條文修正草案案件及其他條文修正草案案件及其他條文修正草案案件及其他條文修正草案案件及其他條文修正草案案件及其他條文修正草案案件及其他條文修正草案案件及其他條文修正草案案件及其他條文修正草案案件及其他條文修正草案案件及其他條文修正草案案件及其他條文修正草案案件及其他條文修正草案案件及其他條文修正草案案件及其他條文修正草案案件及其他條文\n\n9\n00:02:45,831 --> 00:03:10,580\n條文修正草案案案件中的三珠釣及瘦夾都必須斷掉,但現在我們只有把瘦夾正式修法,可是再三珠釣,現在所有的民間人都覺得我們做半套了,但事實上並不是如此。\n\n10\n00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:38,131\n但是你們話沒有講清楚啊。好,我跟委員說明齁,其實除了業績以外,我們農業部的立場對山豬調也是反對的。但是以剛才講的,因為山豬調現在有它繼續用的一個...需要改變名字嘛,我們不要用山豬調啦。對,就不要用這個,我們用改良式的業績。它不再是山豬調了。對,我們現在的改良式業績...所以我們未來只要是我們正式在三至六個月,我覺得你這個時間要有破例啦。是。到底是三個月、六個月,給你們宣導,\n\n11\n00:03:40,552 --> 00:03:47,777\n然後如果宣導了我們希望大家用改聯式的列句不是刪除掉之後我們全面禁止刪除掉\n\n12\n00:03:49,534 --> 00:04:10,200\n我想比較務實的部分我們可以承諾就是說在一年之內因為我們把這些改良式的列據跟原住民特別是原住民地區的狩獵要更好的一個溝通所以我們承諾說一年之內我們改良式的列據推廣我們就把刪除掉現有的原來的刪除掉就把它禁止\n\n13\n00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:12,902\n條文修正草案案條例第十九條之一及第十九條之一及第十九條之一及第十九條之一及第十九條之一及第十九條之一及第十九條之一及第十九條\n\n14\n00:04:36,837 --> 00:04:51,554\n條文修正草案案件事項,並非直接影響到所謂獵捕了這個大型的野生保護的一些動物。所以我就要講清楚,否則每一次好像我們修了法都走那個一半的。\n\n15\n00:04:52,858 --> 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條例第十九條之一及第十九條之一及第十九條之一及第十九條之一及第十九條之一及第十九條之一及第十九條之一及第十九條"},{"start":276.837,"end":291.554,"text":"條文修正草案案件事項,並非直接影響到所謂獵捕了這個大型的野生保護的一些動物。所以我就要講清楚,否則每一次好像我們修了法都走那個一半的。"},{"start":292.858,"end":295.599,"text":"條文修正草案．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．"},{"start":319.079,"end":336.773,"text":"所以就是一年一年之後你們就會公告禁止所以這一年讓你們去做一些推廣改良式的列據把改良式列據把它宣傳宣導這樣子這個要很確定這是在這裡講的我們在左條審的時候也會把它納入所以我覺得這個部分還有"},{"start":342.637,"end":350.963,"text":"現在行政院版本有針對持有販售製造陳列輸出入進行納管那重點是你們要怎麼去從源頭管理啊"},{"start":351.834,"end":352.595,"text":"條文修正草案案案件。"},{"start":385.511,"end":386.596,"text":"條文修正草案案。」案。"}]}}}}