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00:02:34,858\n我想這個是也許我們的疏忽我們應該是更具體的更細節的本身來跟委員報告這個是我們應該改進那如果未來或者是我們會後是不是可以提供比較完整的這個報告就麻煩您了對對對這個我們可以立刻提供那其實是有非常細緻的這個謝謝副主委我也要求說這個一定要落實執行那你說要會後提供我資料就請在提供我的辦公室\n\n8\n00:02:35,838 --> 00:03:03,180\n生產式AI是一個急需投入很大資源的這樣子的一個計畫那高度的整合上下游行新領域所以即使就是說要是既存有規模的系統公司或是IC設計公司要投入這樣的快速的發展領域呢政策的意向跟一定要輔佐以配合的作為所以這個部分呢你們需要提供的你們需要做的部分你們自己也應該知道說在裡面投入的需要所需要的做的投入\n\n9\n00:03:03,780 --> 00:03:04,020\n陳教授\n\n10\n00:03:20,154 --> 00:03:47,906\n因為深層式AI其實也是才新出來沒有多久那我們就趕快組織資源那包含之前的那個台德的那個model就建立自己的trustworthymodel然後今年也一一三開始也就有一個大概一億元的這個深層式AI百工百業導入深層式AI的部分那包括一些這個人才的培育那產業應用的擴散那當然就是開發建AI的平台\n\n11\n00:03:48,406 --> 00:03:50,948\n美國國家科學基金會的技術創新與合作夥伴組來拜會我們國科會來交流臺美科技新創合作的機會德國的教研部官員跟\n\n12\n00:04:12,303 --> 00:04:39,529\n有德國人工智慧教父之稱的華斯特．也來拜會我們國科會那這邊要請教台灣跟美國的技術創新與合作夥伴屬的跨領域協作培育創新技術的生態系統以及創新創業資源布局我們目前我們有什麼成效還有就是說台灣跟德國的AI應用在半導體先進製造以及自駕車這個合作我們現在進程如何\n\n13\n00:04:41,372 --> 00:04:57,490\n我簡單先說是美國這次NSF這個創新技術署來他事實上也是最近才成立的他也是針對美國是本來基礎科學研究的NSF他事實上是創立了一個希望科學跟創新技術落地這個關係所以這個是他第一次這次來我們細節可以請我們處長\n\n14\n00:05:00,113 --> 00:05:00,333\n內景簡短\n\n15\n00:05:29,672 --> 00:05:34,876\n未來在這個過去臺美科技合作架構底下在德國這個部分呢德國部分可能要問德國的部分我想也許我比較綜合性的來回答跟德國因為德國最近其實不只剛剛委員提到的這個單位其實還有很多包括是Dresden這個部分的州Saxon這些州都有來他們中央跟地方都有來那針對半導體的部分擴大很大\n\n16\n00:05:57,512 --> 00:05:57,532\n﹚陳秀寳﹚\n\n17\n00:06:15,862 --> 00:06:18,083\n除了科技發展策略及國家未來發展的方向之外其實現在民眾生活日常AI已經無所不在在這邊我要跟您請教\n\n18\n00:06:41,089 --> 00:06:57,895\n生成式AI以我們現在國內對於AI的監管生成式AI除了文字之外現在很多線上的軟體都有提供生成圖片甚至影片這個服務那行政院在去年8月31號的時候有一個擬定的就是國科會擬定的一個使用生成式AI的參考指引\n\n19\n00:06:58,855 --> 00:07:00,858\n指引是針對對向行政院及所屬機關（主要規範是在生成文字的部分（副主任您覺得目前AI技術這麼進步（規範的內容是足夠的嗎?\n\n20\n00:07:15,519 --> 00:07:33,992\n目前這個指引當然是第一步就是我們先指引後立法所以立法還是真正的目標我們主委是在上次備詢的時候也很清楚的指出來我們希望在年底的時候有一個第一步的草案歐盟在上週二在上個禮拜4月2號已經通過AI監管的立法\n\n21\n00:07:34,452 --> 00:07:50,458\n他們建立一個統一的法律的框架來維護不管是隱私、反歧視、消費者保護等權利同時他也規範AI開發商必須要有健全的數據管理、人工監督機制以及全面的風險評估還有相關的問責制度他們有設立一個AI辦公室來確保AI法規在各地都能夠有一致的執行而且為公民提供投訴及尋求補救的管道\n\n22\n00:08:01,082 --> 00:08:28,397\n副主委您剛剛說我們希望在年底呢我們的AI的基本法會有進展那我們是以怎樣的方向會採歐盟的這些來做參考嗎我想歐盟它涵蓋的範圍非常廣從最基本的到包括剛剛講的產業然後提供跟社會的溝通的這個部分都有那我們也會朝這個方向來思考因為歐盟本身它也是經由很長的溝通提供我們經驗那它可以縮短我們的時間所以這個非常重要副主委\n\n23\n00:08:28,757 --> 00:08:47,913\n因為其實AI技術它的運用也越來越多那現在手機包括連手機都有經驗配搭AI科技不管是即時通話的翻譯以圖搜尋還有生成式相片那當AI生成式圖片很容易就可以產生的時候相關的監管就非常的重要有這個必要性\n\n24\n00:08:48,613 --> 00:08:55,077\n目前AI假圖片、假影片在社群平台上氾濫．使民眾經常被誤導或是會誤入這個詐騙的陷阱所以這邊我要建議國科會是不是也要研議我們能夠在AI基本法裡面加入關於說社群平台或新聞有使用AI是生成的影像的時候\n\n25\n00:09:08,226 --> 00:09:08,426\n跟委員報告\n\n26\n00:09:25,623 --> 00:09:46,783\n那AI基本法它有一個框架式的一個架構它後面會影響到後面的作用法的一些像委員剛剛提的這些都要放在相關的作用法裡面在細節裡面去訂定應該要規定說有這樣的註記讓民眾可以辨識然後我們在AI基本法通過前的這個過渡也希望說我們格格會跟我們數位部這邊\n\n27\n00:09:48,764 --> 00:10:16,662\n發布這邊來合作是不是我們可以研議就是有沒有可以辨識AI生成影像的軟體或是或是如果說有造成民眾疑慮的AI影像圖片在社群平台流傳的時候呢你們就應該及時的來協助辨識來釐清讓民眾知道說這是假影片假消息不會讓民眾有恐慌這個部分你們可以做嗎我們應該積極跟其他部會本身一起合作來解決這個問題因為這個是跨部會的很多的問題\n\n28\n00:10:17,202 --> 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model然後今年也一一三開始也就有一個大概一億元的這個深層式AI百工百業導入深層式AI的部分那包括一些這個人才的培育那產業應用的擴散那當然就是開發建AI的平台\n228406\t230948\t美國國家科學基金會的技術創新與合作夥伴組來拜會我們國科會來交流臺美科技新創合作的機會德國的教研部官員跟\n252303\t279529\t有德國人工智慧教父之稱的華斯特．也來拜會我們國科會那這邊要請教台灣跟美國的技術創新與合作夥伴屬的跨領域協作培育創新技術的生態系統以及創新創業資源布局我們目前我們有什麼成效還有就是說台灣跟德國的AI應用在半導體先進製造以及自駕車這個合作我們現在進程如何\n281372\t297490\t我簡單先說是美國這次NSF這個創新技術署來他事實上也是最近才成立的他也是針對美國是本來基礎科學研究的NSF他事實上是創立了一個希望科學跟創新技術落地這個關係所以這個是他第一次這次來我們細節可以請我們處長\n300113\t300333\t內景簡短\n329672\t334876\t未來在這個過去臺美科技合作架構底下在德國這個部分呢德國部分可能要問德國的部分我想也許我比較綜合性的來回答跟德國因為德國最近其實不只剛剛委員提到的這個單位其實還有很多包括是Dresden這個部分的州Saxon這些州都有來他們中央跟地方都有來那針對半導體的部分擴大很大\n357512\t357532\t﹚陳秀寳﹚\n375862\t378083\t除了科技發展策略及國家未來發展的方向之外其實現在民眾生活日常AI已經無所不在在這邊我要跟您請教\n401089\t417895\t生成式AI以我們現在國內對於AI的監管生成式AI除了文字之外現在很多線上的軟體都有提供生成圖片甚至影片這個服務那行政院在去年8月31號的時候有一個擬定的就是國科會擬定的一個使用生成式AI的參考指引\n418855\t420858\t指引是針對對向行政院及所屬機關（主要規範是在生成文字的部分（副主任您覺得目前AI技術這麼進步（規範的內容是足夠的嗎?\n435519\t453992\t目前這個指引當然是第一步就是我們先指引後立法所以立法還是真正的目標我們主委是在上次備詢的時候也很清楚的指出來我們希望在年底的時候有一個第一步的草案歐盟在上週二在上個禮拜4月2號已經通過AI監管的立法\n454452\t470458\t他們建立一個統一的法律的框架來維護不管是隱私、反歧視、消費者保護等權利同時他也規範AI開發商必須要有健全的數據管理、人工監督機制以及全面的風險評估還有相關的問責制度他們有設立一個AI辦公室來確保AI法規在各地都能夠有一致的執行而且為公民提供投訴及尋求補救的管道\n481082\t508397\t副主委您剛剛說我們希望在年底呢我們的AI的基本法會有進展那我們是以怎樣的方向會採歐盟的這些來做參考嗎我想歐盟它涵蓋的範圍非常廣從最基本的到包括剛剛講的產業然後提供跟社會的溝通的這個部分都有那我們也會朝這個方向來思考因為歐盟本身它也是經由很長的溝通提供我們經驗那它可以縮短我們的時間所以這個非常重要副主委\n508757\t527913\t因為其實AI技術它的運用也越來越多那現在手機包括連手機都有經驗配搭AI科技不管是即時通話的翻譯以圖搜尋還有生成式相片那當AI生成式圖片很容易就可以產生的時候相關的監管就非常的重要有這個必要性\n528613\t535077\t目前 AI 假圖片、假影片在社群平台上氾濫．使民眾經常被誤導或是會誤入這個詐騙的陷阱所以這邊我要建議國科會是不是也要研議我們能夠在 AI 基本法裡面加入關於說社群平台或新聞有使用 AI 是生成的影像的時候\n548226\t548426\t跟委員報告\n565623\t586783\t那AI基本法它有一個框架式的一個架構它後面會影響到後面的作用法的一些像委員剛剛提的這些都要放在相關的作用法裡面在細節裡面去訂定應該要規定說有這樣的註記讓民眾可以辨識然後我們在AI基本法通過前的這個過渡也希望說我們格格會跟我們數位部這邊\n588764\t616662\t發布這邊來合作是不是我們可以研議就是有沒有可以辨識AI生成影像的軟體或是或是如果說有造成民眾疑慮的AI影像圖片在社群平台流傳的時候呢你們就應該及時的來協助辨識來釐清讓民眾知道說這是假影片假消息不會讓民眾有恐慌這個部分你們可以做嗎我們應該積極跟其他部會本身一起合作來解決這個問題因為這個是跨部會的很多的問題\n617202\t644381\t其實AI快速的發展我們也非常的擔憂就是說它技術進展的那麼快我們的法規更不跟得上來不來得及來規範它但是呢就是因為怕它的技術進展太快我們來不及規範它我們更不能實也更不能停留我覺得說我們盡速的建立這個框架才是我們對AI發展的一個負責任的態度這個部分希望你們也盡快這個相關的這些規劃都要做\n644701\t644842\t主席\n","txt":"訪問結束後休息5分鐘\n委員早安副主委早今天副主委您這個專報是國家科技發展策略與布局那您在報告的時候也四平八穩的內容也是很豐富但是美中不足的是針對精創台灣方案呢你們只有在第6頁人工智慧中短短幾個字提到而未推動各產業導入深層式AI\n113年起將結合進創台灣方案的布局．結合生存式AI加晶片．帶動產業創新．進行全面性的規劃跟推動就這麼簡單為什麼我想請教為什麼說 進創台灣方案這個這麼重大的計畫為什麼你這麼簡審這麼簡略我想也許可以請這邊來回答就是說我們盡量在這邊再補充說明\n謝謝委員我想可能因為篇幅的關係因為實在國會做太多的東西那金創台灣其實就是十年第一年三千億碼第一年是一百二十億那你四支主軸的計畫你們的報告沒有限制字數吧為什麼說篇幅的關係沒有辦法放進去這個我不太能接受來\n今年我們金創台灣的這個金創台灣方案編列120億那佔今年科技預算的百分之7.6那以10年300億平均每年以10年3000億元平均每年300億明年的這個規劃的預算大概1800億來算這個基礎來算是高達佔比是16.7那\n當然這個相對於說之前我們一些比較沒有那麼宏觀整合科技產業這個政策來相比較這次推出了這個金創台灣方案的這個政策焦點比較集中那投入的時間跟力道也比較充足是值得讚許的但是既然我們這個可以這樣子做我們也有這樣子規劃為什麼你們不要明白的把它再說的明白一點為什麼要這麼簡略我的問題是這樣\n我想這個是也許我們的疏忽我們應該是更具體的更細節的本身來跟委員報告這個是我們應該改進那如果未來或者是我們會後是不是可以提供比較完整的這個報告就麻煩您了對對對這個我們可以立刻提供那其實是有非常細緻的這個謝謝副主委我也要求說這個一定要落實執行那你說要會後提供我資料就請在提供我的辦公室\n生產式AI是一個急需投入很大資源的這樣子的一個計畫那高度的整合上下游行新領域所以即使就是說要是既存有規模的系統公司或是IC設計公司要投入這樣的快速的發展領域呢政策的意向跟一定要輔佐以配合的作為所以這個部分呢你們需要提供的你們需要做的部分你們自己也應該知道說在裡面投入的需要所需要的做的投入\n陳教授\n因為深層式AI其實也是才新出來沒有多久那我們就趕快組織資源那包含之前的那個台德的那個model就建立自己的trustworthy model然後今年也一一三開始也就有一個大概一億元的這個深層式AI百工百業導入深層式AI的部分那包括一些這個人才的培育那產業應用的擴散那當然就是開發建AI的平台\n美國國家科學基金會的技術創新與合作夥伴組來拜會我們國科會來交流臺美科技新創合作的機會德國的教研部官員跟\n有德國人工智慧教父之稱的華斯特．也來拜會我們國科會那這邊要請教台灣跟美國的技術創新與合作夥伴屬的跨領域協作培育創新技術的生態系統以及創新創業資源布局我們目前我們有什麼成效還有就是說台灣跟德國的AI應用在半導體先進製造以及自駕車這個合作我們現在進程如何\n我簡單先說是美國這次NSF這個創新技術署來他事實上也是最近才成立的他也是針對美國是本來基礎科學研究的NSF他事實上是創立了一個希望科學跟創新技術落地這個關係所以這個是他第一次這次來我們細節可以請我們處長\n內景簡短\n未來在這個過去臺美科技合作架構底下在德國這個部分呢德國部分可能要問德國的部分我想也許我比較綜合性的來回答跟德國因為德國最近其實不只剛剛委員提到的這個單位其實還有很多包括是Dresden這個部分的州Saxon這些州都有來他們中央跟地方都有來那針對半導體的部分擴大很大\n﹚陳秀寳﹚\n除了科技發展策略及國家未來發展的方向之外其實現在民眾生活日常AI已經無所不在在這邊我要跟您請教\n生成式AI以我們現在國內對於AI的監管生成式AI除了文字之外現在很多線上的軟體都有提供生成圖片甚至影片這個服務那行政院在去年8月31號的時候有一個擬定的就是國科會擬定的一個使用生成式AI的參考指引\n指引是針對對向行政院及所屬機關（主要規範是在生成文字的部分（副主任您覺得目前AI技術這麼進步（規範的內容是足夠的嗎?\n目前這個指引當然是第一步就是我們先指引後立法所以立法還是真正的目標我們主委是在上次備詢的時候也很清楚的指出來我們希望在年底的時候有一個第一步的草案歐盟在上週二在上個禮拜4月2號已經通過AI監管的立法\n他們建立一個統一的法律的框架來維護不管是隱私、反歧視、消費者保護等權利同時他也規範AI開發商必須要有健全的數據管理、人工監督機制以及全面的風險評估還有相關的問責制度他們有設立一個AI辦公室來確保AI法規在各地都能夠有一致的執行而且為公民提供投訴及尋求補救的管道\n副主委您剛剛說我們希望在年底呢我們的AI的基本法會有進展那我們是以怎樣的方向會採歐盟的這些來做參考嗎我想歐盟它涵蓋的範圍非常廣從最基本的到包括剛剛講的產業然後提供跟社會的溝通的這個部分都有那我們也會朝這個方向來思考因為歐盟本身它也是經由很長的溝通提供我們經驗那它可以縮短我們的時間所以這個非常重要副主委\n因為其實AI技術它的運用也越來越多那現在手機包括連手機都有經驗配搭AI科技不管是即時通話的翻譯以圖搜尋還有生成式相片那當AI生成式圖片很容易就可以產生的時候相關的監管就非常的重要有這個必要性\n目前 AI 假圖片、假影片在社群平台上氾濫．使民眾經常被誤導或是會誤入這個詐騙的陷阱所以這邊我要建議國科會是不是也要研議我們能夠在 AI 基本法裡面加入關於說社群平台或新聞有使用 AI 是生成的影像的時候\n跟委員報告\n那AI基本法它有一個框架式的一個架構它後面會影響到後面的作用法的一些像委員剛剛提的這些都要放在相關的作用法裡面在細節裡面去訂定應該要規定說有這樣的註記讓民眾可以辨識然後我們在AI基本法通過前的這個過渡也希望說我們格格會跟我們數位部這邊\n發布這邊來合作是不是我們可以研議就是有沒有可以辨識AI生成影像的軟體或是或是如果說有造成民眾疑慮的AI影像圖片在社群平台流傳的時候呢你們就應該及時的來協助辨識來釐清讓民眾知道說這是假影片假消息不會讓民眾有恐慌這個部分你們可以做嗎我們應該積極跟其他部會本身一起合作來解決這個問題因為這個是跨部會的很多的問題\n其實AI快速的發展我們也非常的擔憂就是說它技術進展的那麼快我們的法規更不跟得上來不來得及來規範它但是呢就是因為怕它的技術進展太快我們來不及規範它我們更不能實也更不能停留我覺得說我們盡速的建立這個框架才是我們對AI發展的一個負責任的態度這個部分希望你們也盡快這個相關的這些規劃都要做\n主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.430 --> 00:01.632\n訪問結束後休息5分鐘\n\n00:14.282 --> 00:34.579\n委員早安副主委早今天副主委您這個專報是國家科技發展策略與布局那您在報告的時候也四平八穩的內容也是很豐富但是美中不足的是針對精創台灣方案呢你們只有在第6頁人工智慧中短短幾個字提到而未推動各產業導入深層式AI\n\n00:37.401 --> 00:47.805\n113年起將結合進創台灣方案的布局．結合生存式AI加晶片．帶動產業創新．進行全面性的規劃跟推動就這麼簡單為什麼我想請教為什麼說進創台灣方案這個這麼重大的計畫為什麼你這麼簡審這麼簡略我想也許可以請這邊來回答就是說我們盡量在這邊再補充說明\n\n01:01.546 --> 01:19.608\n謝謝委員我想可能因為篇幅的關係因為實在國會做太多的東西那金創台灣其實就是十年第一年三千億碼第一年是一百二十億那你四支主軸的計畫你們的報告沒有限制字數吧為什麼說篇幅的關係沒有辦法放進去這個我不太能接受來\n\n01:20.609 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04:39.529\n有德國人工智慧教父之稱的華斯特．也來拜會我們國科會那這邊要請教台灣跟美國的技術創新與合作夥伴屬的跨領域協作培育創新技術的生態系統以及創新創業資源布局我們目前我們有什麼成效還有就是說台灣跟德國的AI應用在半導體先進製造以及自駕車這個合作我們現在進程如何\n\n04:41.372 --> 04:57.490\n我簡單先說是美國這次NSF這個創新技術署來他事實上也是最近才成立的他也是針對美國是本來基礎科學研究的NSF他事實上是創立了一個希望科學跟創新技術落地這個關係所以這個是他第一次這次來我們細節可以請我們處長\n\n05:00.113 --> 05:00.333\n內景簡短\n\n05:29.672 --> 05:34.876\n未來在這個過去臺美科技合作架構底下在德國這個部分呢德國部分可能要問德國的部分我想也許我比較綜合性的來回答跟德國因為德國最近其實不只剛剛委員提到的這個單位其實還有很多包括是Dresden這個部分的州Saxon這些州都有來他們中央跟地方都有來那針對半導體的部分擴大很大\n\n05:57.512 --> 05:57.532\n﹚陳秀寳﹚\n\n06:15.862 --> 06:18.083\n除了科技發展策略及國家未來發展的方向之外其實現在民眾生活日常AI已經無所不在在這邊我要跟您請教\n\n06:41.089 --> 06:57.895\n生成式AI以我們現在國內對於AI的監管生成式AI除了文字之外現在很多線上的軟體都有提供生成圖片甚至影片這個服務那行政院在去年8月31號的時候有一個擬定的就是國科會擬定的一個使用生成式AI的參考指引\n\n06:58.855 --> 07:00.858\n指引是針對對向行政院及所屬機關（主要規範是在生成文字的部分（副主任您覺得目前AI技術這麼進步（規範的內容是足夠的嗎?\n\n07:15.519 --> 07:33.992\n目前這個指引當然是第一步就是我們先指引後立法所以立法還是真正的目標我們主委是在上次備詢的時候也很清楚的指出來我們希望在年底的時候有一個第一步的草案歐盟在上週二在上個禮拜4月2號已經通過AI監管的立法\n\n07:34.452 --> 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