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00:02:41,047\n條文修正草案．一、審查．一、二十四條之一及第十六條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及\n\n8\n00:02:56,400 --> 00:03:19,170\n所以我建議既然部長今天支持是不是可以儘速的來修改是不是5年把它延程10年比照互照一般讓這些漁民可以減少這些例行性的行政作業然後對基層的公務人員也有注意?部長是否有同意?我想我們會來檢討那特別是我剛才講的就是說我們這個\n\n9\n00:03:20,370 --> 00:03:34,387\n條文修正草案案的安全性我們如果能夠克服包括說回到原始精神我們發正的原始精神那哪一些該注意的我們去做檢討那檢討的時候才會去思考說怎麼樣放寬跟放寬的一個年限是因為\n\n10\n00:03:35,691 --> 00:03:45,114\n三條之一、第三十六條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十\n\n11\n00:04:03,544 --> 00:04:04,865\n他如果沒有阻斷申報是違法的。\n\n12\n00:04:24,483 --> 00:04:26,525\n條文修正草案案件事項及其安全性等條文修正草案件事項及其安全性\n\n13\n00:04:45,606 --> 00:05:09,882\n然後後來又放寬了三年後來又變成六年現在變成十年所以這不是沒有檢討的空間嗎所以一定不要再繼續饒民傷財了我跟委員說明我們會來檢討但是漁船證跟船員證跟護照是不一樣的概念因為船員證本身他出海以後他的技能他的安全是這一點我拜託部長還有署長是不是儘速的來研議能不能\n\n14\n00:05:15,645 --> 00:05:29,092\n條文修正草案案案件及其其他條文修正草案案件及其其其其他條文修正草案案件及其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其\n\n15\n00:05:39,558 --> 00:05:41,679\n條文修正草案案案案案案案案案案案\n\n16\n00:06:07,708 --> 00:06:10,589\n條文修正草案．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查\n\n17\n00:06:32,118 --> 00:06:54,977\n那我也瞭解就是說民眾的認知就是說同樣的一個殺菌不同殺菌方法可能保存區間會不一樣那現在比較爭議的是鮮乳這兩個字所以我們也一直在跟弱農協會跟我們的消費者在做溝通我們也提供了相關的建議給衛福部希望變成長效乳之類的名詞以驅革鮮乳\n\n18\n00:06:56,938 --> 00:07:14,388\n這一點我也非常讚許部長一定要趕快把我們主管機關農業部的立場說明白我們是支持我們的弱農我們是支持標示鮮乳跟保酒乳一定要分開讓他識別清楚讓消費者也清楚啊否則這是在誤導消費者雖然這件事情是這個衛福部要去調整的\n\n19\n00:07:20,871 --> 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案件及其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其\n條文修正草案．一、審查．一、二十四條之一及第十六條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及\n所以我建議既然部長今天支持是不是可以儘速的來修改是不是5年把它延程10年比照互照一般讓這些漁民可以減少這些例行性的行政作業然後對基層的公務人員也有注意?部長是否有同意?我想我們會來檢討那特別是我剛才講的就是說我們這個\n條文修正草案案的安全性我們如果能夠克服包括說回到原始精神我們發正的原始精神那哪一些該注意的我們去做檢討那檢討的時候才會去思考說怎麼樣放寬跟放寬的一個年限是因為\n三條之一、第三十六條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十\n他如果沒有阻斷申報是違法的。\n條文修正草案案件事項及其安全性等條文修正草案件事項及其安全性\n然後後來又放寬了三年後來又變成六年現在變成十年所以這不是沒有檢討的空間嗎所以一定不要再繼續饒民傷財了我跟委員說明我們會來檢討但是漁船證跟船員證跟護照是不一樣的概念因為船員證本身他出海以後他的技能他的安全是這一點我拜託部長還有署長是不是儘速的來研議能不能\n條文修正草案案 案件及其其他條文修正草案 案件及其其其其他條文修正草案 案件及其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其\n條文修正草案案案案案案案案案案案\n條文修正草案．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查\n那我也瞭解就是說民眾的認知就是說同樣的一個殺菌不同殺菌方法可能保存區間會不一樣那現在比較爭議的是鮮乳這兩個字所以我們也一直在跟弱農協會跟我們的消費者在做溝通我們也提供了相關的建議給衛福部希望變成長效乳之類的名詞以驅革鮮乳\n這一點我也非常讚許部長一定要趕快把我們主管機關農業部的立場說明白我們是支持我們的弱農我們是支持標示鮮乳跟保酒乳一定要分開讓他識別清楚讓消費者也清楚啊否則這是在誤導消費者雖然這件事情是這個衛福部要去調整的\n但是主管機關農業部的立場你這樣子鮮明的表達出來這對弱農就是一個強心劑就是讓我們的弱農知道說至少我們的農業部主管機關是支持我們台灣弱農的我想我們針對弱農的一個輔導其實持續在做特別是在從今年開始我們向跟行政院提供了一個弱農的一個產業的一個振興方案那裡面就有很多的測試從生產面到是這個本席有了解我就是說\n可是這個提案真的有點慢欸就是弱農業、汰換這個老弱乳牛等等從去年研議到現在都還沒有辦法實施到底是為什麼我跟委員說明齁就是改名詞不是說我今天改了大家同意就改了因為它牽扯到很多國際貿易的接軌齁所以有很多必須去調和的\n條文修正草案．一、二、三十四條之一及第十六條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.083 --> 00:19.172\n條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第3會期經濟委員會第4會期經濟委員會第5會期經濟委員會第6會期經濟委員會第7會期經濟委員會第8會期經濟委員會第9會期經濟委員會第10會期經濟委員會第10會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第12會期經濟委員會第12會期經濟委員會第13會期經濟委員會第13會期經濟委員會第14會期經濟委員會第14會期經濟委員會第15會期經濟委員會第16\n\n00:27.602 --> 00:28.443\n條文修正草案案案條文修正草案案\n\n00:55.256 --> 00:58.980\n不曉得部長知道漁業證照裡面會註明的內容是什麼?這個漁業證照裡面會載明其漁船名然後船體的各項數據包括母港跟國際呼號等等,署長對不對?\n\n01:18.499 --> 01:45.096\n那這些事項其實是並不會太平凡的變更假設變更也必須要主動申報然後來換照那也就是說漁民可能他經營了幾十年他的漁業證照內容是不會百變的團員手冊也是一樣就像一個身分證或者是護照一樣那送訊之後基本資料基本上都是固定的\n\n01:46.076 --> 02:08.106\n其實沒有必要那麼頻繁的來更換所以這一次連部長不曉得部長怎麼看你覺得五年這樣子更換會不會太短?我個人覺得齁如果說他的他的異動不是那麼頻繁然後我們也確保又回到我們發正的原始精神如果說不違反這個原始精神的話做適度的放寬我是我是覺得應該可行的\n\n02:09.520 --> 02:11.542\n條文修正草案案案件及其其他條文修正草案案件及其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其\n\n02:31.559 --> 02:41.047\n條文修正草案．一、審查．一、二十四條之一及第十六條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及\n\n02:56.400 --> 03:19.170\n所以我建議既然部長今天支持是不是可以儘速的來修改是不是5年把它延程10年比照互照一般讓這些漁民可以減少這些例行性的行政作業然後對基層的公務人員也有注意?部長是否有同意?我想我們會來檢討那特別是我剛才講的就是說我們這個\n\n03:20.370 --> 03:34.387\n條文修正草案案的安全性我們如果能夠克服包括說回到原始精神我們發正的原始精神那哪一些該注意的我們去做檢討那檢討的時候才會去思考說怎麼樣放寬跟放寬的一個年限是因為\n\n03:35.691 --> 03:45.114\n三條之一、第三十六條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十\n\n04:03.544 --> 04:04.865\n他如果沒有阻斷申報是違法的。\n\n04:24.483 --> 04:26.525\n條文修正草案案件事項及其安全性等條文修正草案件事項及其安全性\n\n04:45.606 --> 05:09.882\n然後後來又放寬了三年後來又變成六年現在變成十年所以這不是沒有檢討的空間嗎所以一定不要再繼續饒民傷財了我跟委員說明我們會來檢討但是漁船證跟船員證跟護照是不一樣的概念因為船員證本身他出海以後他的技能他的安全是這一點我拜託部長還有署長是不是儘速的來研議能不能\n\n05:15.645 --> 05:29.092\n條文修正草案案案件及其其他條文修正草案案件及其其其其他條文修正草案案件及其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其\n\n05:39.558 --> 05:41.679\n條文修正草案案案案案案案案案案案\n\n06:07.708 --> 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案件及其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其"},{"start":151.559,"end":161.047,"text":"條文修正草案．一、審查．一、二十四條之一及第十六條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及"},{"start":176.4,"end":199.17,"text":"所以我建議既然部長今天支持是不是可以儘速的來修改是不是5年把它延程10年比照互照一般讓這些漁民可以減少這些例行性的行政作業然後對基層的公務人員也有注意?部長是否有同意?我想我們會來檢討那特別是我剛才講的就是說我們這個"},{"start":200.37,"end":214.387,"text":"條文修正草案案的安全性我們如果能夠克服包括說回到原始精神我們發正的原始精神那哪一些該注意的我們去做檢討那檢討的時候才會去思考說怎麼樣放寬跟放寬的一個年限是因為"},{"start":215.691,"end":225.114,"text":"三條之一、第三十六條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十"},{"start":243.544,"end":244.865,"text":"他如果沒有阻斷申報是違法的。"},{"start":264.483,"end":266.525,"text":"條文修正草案案件事項及其安全性等條文修正草案件事項及其安全性"},{"start":285.606,"end":309.882,"text":"然後後來又放寬了三年後來又變成六年現在變成十年所以這不是沒有檢討的空間嗎所以一定不要再繼續饒民傷財了我跟委員說明我們會來檢討但是漁船證跟船員證跟護照是不一樣的概念因為船員證本身他出海以後他的技能他的安全是這一點我拜託部長還有署長是不是儘速的來研議能不能"},{"start":315.645,"end":329.092,"text":"條文修正草案案 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案件及其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其"},{"start":339.558,"end":341.679,"text":"條文修正草案案案案案案案案案案案"},{"start":367.708,"end":370.589,"text":"條文修正草案．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查"},{"start":392.118,"end":414.977,"text":"那我也瞭解就是說民眾的認知就是說同樣的一個殺菌不同殺菌方法可能保存區間會不一樣那現在比較爭議的是鮮乳這兩個字所以我們也一直在跟弱農協會跟我們的消費者在做溝通我們也提供了相關的建議給衛福部希望變成長效乳之類的名詞以驅革鮮乳"},{"start":416.938,"end":434.388,"text":"這一點我也非常讚許部長一定要趕快把我們主管機關農業部的立場說明白我們是支持我們的弱農我們是支持標示鮮乳跟保酒乳一定要分開讓他識別清楚讓消費者也清楚啊否則這是在誤導消費者雖然這件事情是這個衛福部要去調整的"},{"start":440.871,"end":450.013,"text":"但是主管機關農業部的立場你這樣子鮮明的表達出來這對弱農就是一個強心劑就是讓我們的弱農知道說至少我們的農業部主管機關是支持我們台灣弱農的我想我們針對弱農的一個輔導其實持續在做特別是在從今年開始我們向跟行政院提供了一個弱農的一個產業的一個振興方案那裡面就有很多的測試從生產面到是這個本席有了解我就是說"},{"start":470.558,"end":490.339,"text":"可是這個提案真的有點慢欸就是弱農業、汰換這個老弱乳牛等等從去年研議到現在都還沒有辦法實施到底是為什麼我跟委員說明齁就是改名詞不是說我今天改了大家同意就改了因為它牽扯到很多國際貿易的接軌齁所以有很多必須去調和的"},{"start":491.921,"end":509.382,"text":"條文修正草案．一、二、三十四條之一及第十六條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一"}]}}}}