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（第八案如經復議，則不予審查。）\n【4月10日及11日二天一次會】）","meet":{"tmpMeeting":null,"title":"第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議","term":11,"type":"委員會","sessionPeriod":1,"sessionTimes":7,"committees":[19],"id":"委員會-11-1-19-7"},"date":"2024-04-11","duration":608,"end_time":"2024-04-11T10:56:53+08:00","start_time":"2024-04-11T10:46:45+08:00","features":["ai-transcript","gazette"],"type":"Clip","gazette":{"lineno":534,"blocks":[["謝委員衣鳯：（10時46分）主席，我想要請陳代理部長。"],["主席：陳部長。"],["陳代理部長駿季：委員好。"],["謝委員衣鳯：陳部長，你先來釐清一個事情，根據民報的報導，進口雞蛋跟整個銷毀的過程多花了納稅人八千多萬，但是你們澄清這些都沒有多花納稅人的錢，但是我們看到在中央畜產會的收入裡面，40.33%都是政府委辦的計畫，有將近52%是政府補助的計畫，所以這百分之九十二點多全部都是來自於政府、來自於人民的納稅錢，是不是？"],["陳代理部長駿季：我跟委員說明，畜產會本身相關的這些計畫，有的部分是做產銷調節，還有一些畜舍改建，或者是由中央委託畜產會去做的，所以從整個的收入來講，大概就像這邊所說的，它每年……"],["謝委員衣鳯：都是政府補助跟政府委辦的嘛！是不是？"],["陳代理部長駿季：但是它也有自己收入的……"],["謝委員衣鳯：1億嘛！"],["陳代理部長駿季：因為它也有檢定，有自己收入的部分。"],["謝委員衣鳯：所以銷毀跟進口的8,000萬是自己的，是不是？"],["陳代理部長駿季：它所有處理雞蛋的費用，都是用它所謂的自有資金，因為它是財團法人，它會根據它相關的這些……"],["謝委員衣鳯：借錢嘛！"],["陳代理部長駿季：對，融資。"],["謝委員衣鳯：跟農業金庫借錢，是不是？"],["陳代理部長駿季：然後我們會根據它所支出的……"],["謝委員衣鳯：農業金庫是誰的？政府的。"],["陳代理部長駿季：廣義來講是這樣，但是因為它是自有資金去處理，然後我們針對各項的補助會根據它本身的採購行為來補助它的百分比……"],["謝委員衣鳯：還要再繼續擦屁股？你還要繼續幫他們擦屁股，是不是？這也不是你主政時候的事情。"],["陳代理部長駿季：畜產會本身就是負責產銷調節，我們也是希望大家一起努力，把這個產業做穩定。"],["謝委員衣鳯：還有，我再問你，從過去以來，農業缺工的問題就很嚴重，今年在我們彰化已經面臨到非常嚴重的情況，我看到它工時可能都比7-ELEVEN的工時高了，但是還是找不到人，我們農業人口凋零以及農業缺工的問題，農業部怎麼解決？"],["陳代理部長駿季：我想農業缺工一直是長期持續的問題，但是我們也針對一些策略把這個缺口降低，最新的……"],["謝委員衣鳯：怎麼樣降低？"],["陳代理部長駿季：第一個就是人力團的部分，有關人力團的部分，本身的47團裡面，他們能夠處理季節性的缺工……"],["謝委員衣鳯：為什麼我們彰化找不到？"],["陳代理部長駿季：沒有，現在人力團本身可能要有一個組，我們現在是透過農會，如果農會願意，我們會協助它成立一個人力團，甚至有一些外展的，就是外籍移工進來做農務的部分，總共有1萬2,000人，所以如果彰化地區那邊比較需要的時候，我們也會協助農會那邊去成立這樣的一個團來協助。"],["謝委員衣鳯：等到需要再成立的時候，都已經來不及了，這種東西你一定要先成立。"],["陳代理部長駿季：我知道，現在我們輔導處也積極的跟農會聯繫，因為它本身外展的部分都需要有住宿，還有一些管理，所以我們持續在跟農會聯繫，看適當的農會有這樣的條件，我們都會來協助。"],["謝委員衣鳯：還有農民職災保險的部分呢？我們看到現在農民職災保險，你們預計要達到75%，可是現在離75%有多少？大概還有5萬，是不是？"],["陳代理部長駿季：農民職業災害保險在新的辦法裡面，新加入農保的就是強制的，現在就是處理一些之前已經保險農保的部分，我們也一直強調，因為現在實際上從事農業的人口裡面，如果以農保90萬人左右，大概四成，大概36萬……"],["謝委員衣鳯：不是，我現在算的這個數字是以你們農業部所謂的農業人口來算的，112年的時候，你們的農業人口是多少？你們說是五十點多少？"],["陳代理部長駿季：50.9。"],["謝委員衣鳯：50.9萬嘛！民國112年是50.9萬。"],["陳代理部長駿季：對，50.9萬。"],["謝委員衣鳯：75%就是多少？38萬嘛！"],["陳代理部長駿季：大概36萬到38萬左右。"],["謝委員衣鳯：對啊！我就說啦，你現在離那個目標還有5萬，你怎麼做？"],["陳代理部長駿季：其實我們持續的，特別是我們有農民學院，特別是青年農民他們的加保率，然後我們發現這個加保率裡面，不同年齡層其實都還差不了多少，就是百分之二十幾到30%，所以……"],["謝委員衣鳯：還有，你們是不是應該要放寬申請農業職災？你們在去年2023年的時候，提到在務農期間如果感染登革熱，不能工作第四天起，才可以申請農業職災保險，對於農民來講是不是太過嚴苛？你們是不是應該進一步，就是不要再以農民職災保險的因果關係為主，例如像噴灑農藥或熱衰竭，例如像這樣感染登革熱算不算不能從農、算不算是農民職災保險的範圍？"],["陳代理部長駿季：我跟委員說明，其實登革熱那個時候，我們也主動地為農民去爭取，登革熱本身不是直接的職業傷害，但是我們也積極地去爭取，把它納入我們的農業職業災害的保險範圍，這是第一步。接下來，委員所說的，我非常認同，有很多起始點的部分跟它樣態的部分，我覺得我們可以有精進的地方。"],["謝委員衣鳯：還有，我們今天討論的是野保法，我想要請問，在2023年我們所要保育的臺灣黑熊受傷的13例，大概有11例都是跟人為的狩獵有關係，你要怎麼樣降低這樣的狩獵行為？因為這些人的狩獵行為，導致這些保育動物進入了民眾的生活居住區，這過去也有發生，未來也有可能發生，對於把牠引回去原本的棲息地，你們有什麼樣進步的技術？不能夠又是勞師動眾、勞民傷財啊！是不是？同時也會因為民眾害怕這樣的保育類動物，而影響到保育類動物的生活權。還有，你怎麼樣維護民眾的居住權？這是兩點，這個都要共同的處理，這樣才能夠讓野保法即便是今天修法通過之後，我們能夠做到保護我們的保育類動物，以及能夠讓民眾的居住環境也有安全，因為畢竟在臺灣，例如黑熊或者是過去的猩猩、狒狒等等，都是對於民眾的安全有疑慮的野生動物，是不是？"],["陳代理部長駿季：對，我要跟委員說明，動物本身的權利跟居住權會有一個平衡，所以在野放的時候，我們就會特別注意到相關的這些居住的場所，而不是我捕獲了，當牠復原了以後，我隨便就去野放，這樣可能會侵害了一些附近的居住權，所以未來我想我們會在這個部分找到一個更適當的平衡點。"],["謝委員衣鳯：不是，你這個講法太籠統了，我是說你們的技術，你們到底對於引導野生動物或者是你進一步的措施，不要讓這些野保的管理人員……"],["陳代理部長駿季：我知道，關於執行面是不是可以請我們署長說明一下？"],["謝委員衣鳯：好，請說。"],["林署長華慶：我跟委員報告，黑熊的族群是逐漸在擴張，所以牠進入到人的居住空間，跟人越來越接近，這個是未來我們一定要面對的。"],["謝委員衣鳯：對啊！因為臺灣本來就是很狹小。"],["林署長華慶：我們現在做的就是在這兩者之間能夠達到衡平，所以我們會推改良式獵具，這是第一個。第二個，我們在黑熊野放的時候，也都會徵詢當地社區或者部落居民的意見，他們同意，我們才會這樣做，我們也會……"],["謝委員衣鳯：可是牠是移動式的，牠自己也會移動嘛！對不對？"],["林署長華慶：對，牠會移動，所以我們要面對這個事實。"],["謝委員衣鳯：所以對於我們的技術、我們相關的管理技術還要增進，甚至牠如果進入人類的居住區，怎麼樣……"],["林署長華慶：我們會預警，我們透過一些……"],["謝委員衣鳯：對，預警。還有可以捕捉牠，再把牠送回到原本的棲息地。"],["林署長華慶：對，我們現在在花蓮……"],["謝委員衣鳯：這個過程都要有整個配套，不要等到發生的時候導致居民的恐慌、疑慮。"],["林署長華慶：沒錯，我們就是朝委員……"],["謝委員衣鳯：甚至對於保育類動物，也沒有辦法真正對牠進行保護，是不是？"],["林署長華慶：是，沒錯。"],["謝委員衣鳯：好，謝謝。"],["林署長華慶：我們在努力朝這個方向。"],["主席：好，謝謝謝衣鳯委員。","接下來我們請陳超明委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":456,"meet_id":"委員會-11-1-19-7","speakers":["邱議瑩","邱鎮軍","楊瓊瓔","黃捷","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","呂玉玲","張雅琳","林岱樺","張啓楷","鄭正鈐","陳亭妃","鄭天財Sra 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00:00:53,349\n條文修正草案案案件,不論是在他的收入裡面,都是40.33%都是政府委辦的計劃,有百分之將近52%是政府補助的計劃,所以這92.多%全部都是來自於政府,來自於人民的納稅錢,是不是?\n\n4\n00:01:08,187 --> 00:01:30,885\n我跟委員說明,續產會本身的相關的這些計畫的,它有的部分是做產業調節還有一些續設改建,或者是由中央委託續產會去做的所以從整個的收入來講,就是大概就是就像這邊所說的就是說都是政府補助跟政府\n\n5\n00:01:31,325 --> 00:01:57,179\n條文修正草案案案件及第十六條條文修正草案案件及第十六條條文修正草案案件及第十八條條文修正草案案件及第十八條條文修正草案案件及第十八條條文修正草案案件及第十八條條文修正草案案件及第十八條條文修正草案案件及第十八條條文修正草案案件及第十八條條文修正草案案件及第十八條條條文修正草案案件及第十八條條條文修正草案案件及第十八條條條文修正草案案件及第十八條條條文修正草案案件及第十八條條條文修正草案\n\n6\n00:01:57,879 --> 00:02:11,870\n條文修正草案案案件及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十\n\n7\n00:02:13,599 --> 00:02:14,200\n條文修正草案案案。\n\n8\n00:02:30,672 --> 00:02:49,069\n條文修正草案案件事項。今年在我們彰化已經面臨到非常嚴重。我看到它工時可能都比7-11的工時高了,但是還是找不到人。我們農業人口凋零以及農業缺工的問題農業部怎麼解決?\n\n9\n00:02:50,390 --> 00:03:09,424\n條文修正草案．第十四條之一及第十六條之一及第十七條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八\n\n10\n00:03:10,625 --> 00:03:35,260\n條文修正草案案案。為什麼我們彰化找不到?現在就是說,人力團本身可能要有一個組。我們現在是透過農會,如果農會願意的話,我們會協助他成立一個人力團。甚至有一些外展的,就是外籍移工進來做農務的部分,總共有一萬兩千人。所以說,如果彰化地區那邊有比較需要的時候,我們也會來協助農會那邊去成立這樣的一個團來協助。\n\n11\n00:03:38,382 --> 00:03:52,559\n等到需要再成立的時候都已經來不及了,這種東西你一定要先成立。我知道,我們也會像我們輔導書積極的跟農會,因為它本身的外展的部分就需要有住宿還有一些管理,所以我們持續在跟農會,看適當的農會有這樣的條件我們都會來協助。\n\n12\n00:03:55,527 --> 00:04:15,439\n還有農民職災保險的部分我們看到了現在農民職災保險你們預計是要達到75%可是現在離75%有多少大概還有5萬農民職業災保險在新的辦法裡面先加入農保的就是強制的\n\n13\n00:04:16,544 --> 00:04:41,850\n條文修正草案．一．三十六條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一\n\n14\n00:04:48,118 --> 00:05:04,075\n五十點九萬五十點九萬那75%就是多少?三十八萬嗎?三十六到三十八左右啦對啊那我就說啦你現在還離那個有五萬那你怎麼做?\n\n15\n00:05:04,956 --> 00:05:21,890\n條例部分條文修正草案：一、審查：一、二十七條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條\n\n16\n00:05:22,270 --> 00:05:23,211\n條文修正草案．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、\n\n17\n00:05:45,683 --> 00:06:04,142\n就是不要再以主要是農民職災保險的因果關係例如像什麼噴灑農藥或熱衰竭那例如像這樣子感染登革熱算不算不能重農算不算是農民那個農民職災保險我跟委員說明其實登革熱那個時候\n\n18\n00:06:05,603 --> 00:06:27,429\n我們也主動的為農民去爭取其實在登革熱本身他不是直接的職業傷害那我們也去積極的去爭取打納入我們的農業職業災害的保險的範圍那這是第一步那接下來委員所說的我非常認同就是說有很多那個起始點的部分跟他的樣態的部分我覺得我們可以有精進的地方\n\n19\n00:06:28,363 --> 00:06:53,563\n還有我們今天討論的是野保法那我想要請問在2023年如果就是說我們所要保育的這個台灣黑熊所受傷的十三例全部大概有十一例都是跟人為的狩獵是有關係的那你要怎麼樣子降低這樣子的狩獵行為以及\n\n20\n00:06:54,974 --> 00:06:56,035\n條文修正草案案案。\n\n21\n00:07:05,157 --> 00:07:31,951\n條文修正草案案案件事項。此事已發生,未來也有可能發生。那你們對於把他引回去原本的棲息地,你們有什麼樣子進步的技術?不能夠又是勞師動眾、勞民傷財啊,是不是?那這樣子也會影響民眾,因為害怕這樣子保育類動物而影響到\n\n22\n00:07:33,111 --> 00:07:54,386\n條文修正草案（事由．一、審查．一、審查．一、三十六條之一及第四十七條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第\n\n23\n00:07:56,207 --> 00:08:03,992\n條文修正草案．一、審查．一、三十六條之一及第四十六條條文修正草案案。bicyn沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈\n\n24\n00:08:24,404 --> 00:08:34,957\n當我補貨了以後當他復原了以後我就隨便的去做野放那這樣的可能會侵害了一些附近的這些居住權所以我們未來我想我們會在這個部分找到一個更適當的一個平衡點\n\n25\n00:08:36,065 --> 00:08:36,566\n條文修正草案案案案。\n\n26\n00:08:57,301 --> 00:09:20,163\n我跟委員報告那個黑熊的族群是逐漸在擴張所以他進入到人跟人越來越接近這個是未來我們一定要面對我們現在做的就是在這兩者之間能夠達到橫評所以我們會推改良式列舉第一個第二個我們在黑熊野放的時候也都會徵詢當地社區或者是部落居民的意見他們同意我們才會這樣子做\n\n27\n00:09:20,623 --> 00:09:21,204\n條例部分條文修正草案案。\n\n28\n00:09:39,140 --> 00:10:05,242\n對,疫情還有可以捕捉他,然後再把他回到他原本的棲息地。這個過程你都要有整個配套,不要發生的時候才導致於居民的恐慌疑慮,那甚至對於我們保育的這個保育類動物也沒有辦法真正的對他進行保護啊,是不是?我們在努力朝這個方向。\n\n29\n00:10:08,221 --> 00:10:08,583\n條文修正草案案。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n8568\t10215\t條文修正草案案。\n19537\t42079\t首先我跟陳部長你先澄清先來釐清一個事情就是說我根據明報的報導說就是他是說進口雞蛋跟整個就是銷毀的過程多花了納稅人八千多萬但是你們澄清這些都沒有多花納稅人的錢但是我們看到中央續產會裡面\n44121\t53349\t條文修正草案案 案件,不論是在他的收入裡面,都是40.33%都是政府委辦的計劃,有百分之將近52%是政府補助的計劃,所以這92.多%全部都是來自於政府,來自於人民的納稅錢,是不是?\n68187\t90885\t我跟委員說明,續產會本身的相關的這些計畫的,它有的部分是做產業調節還有一些續設改建,或者是由中央委託續產會去做的所以從整個的收入來講,就是大概就是就像這邊所說的就是說都是政府補助跟政府\n91325\t117179\t條文修正草案案案件及第十六條條文修正草案案件及第十六條條文修正草案案件及第十八條條文修正草案案件及第十八條條文修正草案案件及第十八條條文修正草案案件及第十八條條文修正草案案件及第十八條條文修正草案案件及第十八條條文修正草案案件及第十八條條文修正草案案件及第十八條條條文修正草案案件及第十八條條條文修正草案案件及第十八條條條文修正草案案件及第十八條條條文修正草案案件及第十八條條條文修正草案\n117879\t131870\t條文修正草案案案件及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十\n133599\t134200\t條文修正草案案 案。\n150672\t169069\t條文修正草案案件事項。今年在我們彰化已經面臨到非常嚴重。我看到它工時可能都比7-11的工時高了,但是還是找不到人。我們農業人口凋零以及農業缺工的問題農業部怎麼解決?\n170390\t189424\t條文修正草案．第十四條之一及第十六條之一及第十七條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八\n190625\t215260\t條文修正草案案 案。為什麼我們彰化找不到?現在就是說,人力團本身可能要有一個組。我們現在是透過農會,如果農會願意的話,我們會協助他成立一個人力團。甚至有一些外展的,就是外籍移工進來做農務的部分,總共有一萬兩千人。所以說,如果彰化地區那邊有比較需要的時候,我們也會來協助農會那邊去成立這樣的一個團來協助。\n218382\t232559\t等到需要再成立的時候都已經來不及了,這種東西你一定要先成立。我知道,我們也會像我們輔導書積極的跟農會,因為它本身的外展的部分就需要有住宿還有一些管理,所以我們持續在跟農會,看適當的農會有這樣的條件我們都會來協助。\n235527\t255439\t還有農民職災保險的部分我們看到了現在農民職災保險你們預計是要達到75%可是現在離75%有多少大概還有5萬農民職業災保險在新的辦法裡面先加入農保的就是強制的\n256544\t281850\t條文修正草案．一．三十六條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一\n288118\t304075\t五十點九萬五十點九萬那75%就是多少?三十八萬嗎?三十六到三十八左右啦對啊那我就說啦你現在還離那個有五萬那你怎麼做?\n304956\t321890\t條例部分條文修正草案：一、審查：一、二十七條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條\n322270\t323211\t條文修正草案．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、\n345683\t364142\t就是不要再以主要是農民職災保險的因果關係例如像什麼噴灑農藥或熱衰竭那例如像這樣子感染登革熱算不算不能重農算不算是農民那個農民職災保險我跟委員說明其實登革熱那個時候\n365603\t387429\t我們也主動的為農民去爭取其實在登革熱本身他不是直接的職業傷害那我們也去積極的去爭取打納入我們的農業職業災害的保險的範圍那這是第一步那接下來委員所說的我非常認同就是說有很多那個起始點的部分跟他的樣態的部分我覺得我們可以有精進的地方\n388363\t413563\t還有我們今天討論的是野保法那我想要請問在2023年如果就是說我們所要保育的這個台灣黑熊所受傷的十三例全部大概有十一例都是跟人為的狩獵是有關係的那你要怎麼樣子降低這樣子的狩獵行為以及\n414974\t416035\t條文修正草案案 案。\n425157\t451951\t條文修正草案案案件事項。此事已發生,未來也有可能發生。那你們對於把他引回去原本的棲息地,你們有什麼樣子進步的技術?不能夠又是勞師動眾、勞民傷財啊,是不是?那這樣子也會影響民眾,因為害怕這樣子保育類動物而影響到\n453111\t474386\t條文修正草案（事由．一、審查．一、審查．一、三十六條之一及第四十七條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第\n476207\t483992\t條文修正草案．一、審查．一、三十六條之一及第四十六條條文修正草案案。 bicyn 沈 沈 沈 沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈\n504404\t514957\t當我補貨了以後當他復原了以後我就隨便的去做野放那這樣的可能會侵害了一些附近的這些居住權所以我們未來我想我們會在這個部分找到一個更適當的一個平衡點\n516065\t516566\t條文修正草案案案案。\n537301\t560163\t我跟委員報告那個黑熊的族群是逐漸在擴張所以他進入到人跟人越來越接近這個是未來我們一定要面對我們現在做的就是在這兩者之間能夠達到橫評所以我們會推改良式列舉第一個第二個我們在黑熊野放的時候也都會徵詢當地社區或者是部落居民的意見他們同意我們才會這樣子做\n560623\t561204\t條例部分條文修正草案案。\n579140\t605242\t對,疫情還有可以捕捉他,然後再把他回到他原本的棲息地。這個過程你都要有整個配套,不要發生的時候才導致於居民的恐慌疑慮,那甚至對於我們保育的這個保育類動物也沒有辦法真正的對他進行保護啊,是不是?我們在努力朝這個方向。\n608221\t608583\t條文修正草案案。\n","txt":"條文修正草案案。\n首先我跟陳部長你先澄清先來釐清一個事情就是說我根據明報的報導說就是他是說進口雞蛋跟整個就是銷毀的過程多花了納稅人八千多萬但是你們澄清這些都沒有多花納稅人的錢但是我們看到中央續產會裡面\n條文修正草案案 案件,不論是在他的收入裡面,都是40.33%都是政府委辦的計劃,有百分之將近52%是政府補助的計劃,所以這92.多%全部都是來自於政府,來自於人民的納稅錢,是不是?\n我跟委員說明,續產會本身的相關的這些計畫的,它有的部分是做產業調節還有一些續設改建,或者是由中央委託續產會去做的所以從整個的收入來講,就是大概就是就像這邊所說的就是說都是政府補助跟政府\n條文修正草案案案件及第十六條條文修正草案案件及第十六條條文修正草案案件及第十八條條文修正草案案件及第十八條條文修正草案案件及第十八條條文修正草案案件及第十八條條文修正草案案件及第十八條條文修正草案案件及第十八條條文修正草案案件及第十八條條文修正草案案件及第十八條條條文修正草案案件及第十八條條條文修正草案案件及第十八條條條文修正草案案件及第十八條條條文修正草案案件及第十八條條條文修正草案\n條文修正草案案案件及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十\n條文修正草案案 案。\n條文修正草案案件事項。今年在我們彰化已經面臨到非常嚴重。我看到它工時可能都比7-11的工時高了,但是還是找不到人。我們農業人口凋零以及農業缺工的問題農業部怎麼解決?\n條文修正草案．第十四條之一及第十六條之一及第十七條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八\n條文修正草案案 案。為什麼我們彰化找不到?現在就是說,人力團本身可能要有一個組。我們現在是透過農會,如果農會願意的話,我們會協助他成立一個人力團。甚至有一些外展的,就是外籍移工進來做農務的部分,總共有一萬兩千人。所以說,如果彰化地區那邊有比較需要的時候,我們也會來協助農會那邊去成立這樣的一個團來協助。\n等到需要再成立的時候都已經來不及了,這種東西你一定要先成立。我知道,我們也會像我們輔導書積極的跟農會,因為它本身的外展的部分就需要有住宿還有一些管理,所以我們持續在跟農會,看適當的農會有這樣的條件我們都會來協助。\n還有農民職災保險的部分我們看到了現在農民職災保險你們預計是要達到75%可是現在離75%有多少大概還有5萬農民職業災保險在新的辦法裡面先加入農保的就是強制的\n條文修正草案．一．三十六條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一\n五十點九萬五十點九萬那75%就是多少?三十八萬嗎?三十六到三十八左右啦對啊那我就說啦你現在還離那個有五萬那你怎麼做?\n條例部分條文修正草案：一、審查：一、二十七條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條\n條文修正草案．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、\n就是不要再以主要是農民職災保險的因果關係例如像什麼噴灑農藥或熱衰竭那例如像這樣子感染登革熱算不算不能重農算不算是農民那個農民職災保險我跟委員說明其實登革熱那個時候\n我們也主動的為農民去爭取其實在登革熱本身他不是直接的職業傷害那我們也去積極的去爭取打納入我們的農業職業災害的保險的範圍那這是第一步那接下來委員所說的我非常認同就是說有很多那個起始點的部分跟他的樣態的部分我覺得我們可以有精進的地方\n還有我們今天討論的是野保法那我想要請問在2023年如果就是說我們所要保育的這個台灣黑熊所受傷的十三例全部大概有十一例都是跟人為的狩獵是有關係的那你要怎麼樣子降低這樣子的狩獵行為以及\n條文修正草案案 案。\n條文修正草案案案件事項。此事已發生,未來也有可能發生。那你們對於把他引回去原本的棲息地,你們有什麼樣子進步的技術?不能夠又是勞師動眾、勞民傷財啊,是不是?那這樣子也會影響民眾,因為害怕這樣子保育類動物而影響到\n條文修正草案（事由．一、審查．一、審查．一、三十六條之一及第四十七條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第\n條文修正草案．一、審查．一、三十六條之一及第四十六條條文修正草案案。 bicyn 沈 沈 沈 沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈沈\n當我補貨了以後當他復原了以後我就隨便的去做野放那這樣的可能會侵害了一些附近的這些居住權所以我們未來我想我們會在這個部分找到一個更適當的一個平衡點\n條文修正草案案案案。\n我跟委員報告那個黑熊的族群是逐漸在擴張所以他進入到人跟人越來越接近這個是未來我們一定要面對我們現在做的就是在這兩者之間能夠達到橫評所以我們會推改良式列舉第一個第二個我們在黑熊野放的時候也都會徵詢當地社區或者是部落居民的意見他們同意我們才會這樣子做\n條例部分條文修正草案案。\n對,疫情還有可以捕捉他,然後再把他回到他原本的棲息地。這個過程你都要有整個配套,不要發生的時候才導致於居民的恐慌疑慮,那甚至對於我們保育的這個保育類動物也沒有辦法真正的對他進行保護啊,是不是?我們在努力朝這個方向。\n條文修正草案案。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.568 --> 00:10.215\n條文修正草案案。\n\n00:19.537 --> 00:42.079\n首先我跟陳部長你先澄清先來釐清一個事情就是說我根據明報的報導說就是他是說進口雞蛋跟整個就是銷毀的過程多花了納稅人八千多萬但是你們澄清這些都沒有多花納稅人的錢但是我們看到中央續產會裡面\n\n00:44.121 --> 00:53.349\n條文修正草案案案件,不論是在他的收入裡面,都是40.33%都是政府委辦的計劃,有百分之將近52%是政府補助的計劃,所以這92.多%全部都是來自於政府,來自於人民的納稅錢,是不是?\n\n01:08.187 --> 01:30.885\n我跟委員說明,續產會本身的相關的這些計畫的,它有的部分是做產業調節還有一些續設改建,或者是由中央委託續產會去做的所以從整個的收入來講,就是大概就是就像這邊所說的就是說都是政府補助跟政府\n\n01:31.325 --> 01:57.179\n條文修正草案案案件及第十六條條文修正草案案件及第十六條條文修正草案案件及第十八條條文修正草案案件及第十八條條文修正草案案件及第十八條條文修正草案案件及第十八條條文修正草案案件及第十八條條文修正草案案件及第十八條條文修正草案案件及第十八條條文修正草案案件及第十八條條條文修正草案案件及第十八條條條文修正草案案件及第十八條條條文修正草案案件及第十八條條條文修正草案案件及第十八條條條文修正草案\n\n01:57.879 --> 02:11.870\n條文修正草案案案件及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十\n\n02:13.599 --> 02:14.200\n條文修正草案案案。\n\n02:30.672 --> 02:49.069\n條文修正草案案件事項。今年在我們彰化已經面臨到非常嚴重。我看到它工時可能都比7-11的工時高了,但是還是找不到人。我們農業人口凋零以及農業缺工的問題農業部怎麼解決?\n\n02:50.390 --> 03:09.424\n條文修正草案．第十四條之一及第十六條之一及第十七條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八\n\n03:10.625 --> 03:35.260\n條文修正草案案案。為什麼我們彰化找不到?現在就是說,人力團本身可能要有一個組。我們現在是透過農會,如果農會願意的話,我們會協助他成立一個人力團。甚至有一些外展的,就是外籍移工進來做農務的部分,總共有一萬兩千人。所以說,如果彰化地區那邊有比較需要的時候,我們也會來協助農會那邊去成立這樣的一個團來協助。\n\n03:38.382 --> 03:52.559\n等到需要再成立的時候都已經來不及了,這種東西你一定要先成立。我知道,我們也會像我們輔導書積極的跟農會,因為它本身的外展的部分就需要有住宿還有一些管理,所以我們持續在跟農會,看適當的農會有這樣的條件我們都會來協助。\n\n03:55.527 --> 04:15.439\n還有農民職災保險的部分我們看到了現在農民職災保險你們預計是要達到75%可是現在離75%有多少大概還有5萬農民職業災保險在新的辦法裡面先加入農保的就是強制的\n\n04:16.544 --> 04:41.850\n條文修正草案．一．三十六條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一\n\n04:48.118 --> 05:04.075\n五十點九萬五十點九萬那75%就是多少?三十八萬嗎?三十六到三十八左右啦對啊那我就說啦你現在還離那個有五萬那你怎麼做?\n\n05:04.956 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案。"},{"start":425.157,"end":451.951,"text":"條文修正草案案案件事項。此事已發生,未來也有可能發生。那你們對於把他引回去原本的棲息地,你們有什麼樣子進步的技術?不能夠又是勞師動眾、勞民傷財啊,是不是?那這樣子也會影響民眾,因為害怕這樣子保育類動物而影響到"},{"start":453.111,"end":474.386,"text":"條文修正草案（事由．一、審查．一、審查．一、三十六條之一及第四十七條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第"},{"start":476.207,"end":483.992,"text":"條文修正草案．一、審查．一、三十六條之一及第四十六條條文修正草案案。 bicyn 沈 沈 沈 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