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是比較小就要開始，所以我想知道相關的……"],["蘇處長碩斌：體操，對，但因為我們這邊是在做監測，所以體操主要是以師大的唐嘉鴻選手為實驗對象。"],["張委員雅琳：好，瞭解。因為剛才有提到商業化使用，但是我覺得商業化對一般小學、中學來說，其實可能不太具備這樣的資源跟資金去做，所以我們可能還是要思考如何提供公益使用的部分，好不好？"],["蘇處長碩斌：其實那個……"],["張委員雅琳：還是目前已經有了？"],["蘇處長碩斌：羽球是在做智慧球場，球場的建置完成之後，可以省掉非常多的教練成本，這個以後一定會往各個學校去推廣，他們會接受的。"],["張委員雅琳：目前我們已經有這樣的推廣計畫，還是還沒有？"],["蘇處長碩斌：目前還沒建置完成，因為還要測試。"],["張委員雅琳：好，瞭解，謝謝。"],["主席：好，謝謝張雅琳委員，林副請回座。","現在休息5分鐘，謝謝。","休息（11時1分）","繼續開會（11時6分）"],["主席：好，現在繼續開會。","接下來請吳春城委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":386,"meet_id":"委員會-11-1-22-7","speakers":["林宜瑾","洪孟楷","柯志恩","吳沛憶","羅廷瑋","陳培瑜","葛如鈞","郭昱晴","葉元之","陳秀寳","張雅琳","吳春城","萬美玲","范雲","鄭天財Sra 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00:00:00,469\n委員長安\n\n2\n00:00:20,673 --> 00:00:41,412\n副主委早安那就是上次我們在討論那個台達這個計畫的時候啊是有講到說我們現在正在開發這個所謂的學研版本啊然後它有非常多的不錯的一些功能哦那但是我也發現這個計畫中有一個很有趣的部分也是我自己長期關注的所謂的母語教育的部分好那就是說現在國科會是在建構中\n\n3\n00:00:42,153 --> 00:00:42,693\n主席主席\n\n4\n00:01:01,946 --> 00:01:20,321\n我知道目前使用的資料庫就有臺灣隨俠資料集還有臺華臺平行語料庫、客委會語音資料庫、客語能力認證資料庫但是我看就是說我們公布在網站訓練資料幾乎都是整體中文的版本那這樣子的訓練資料量是足夠的嗎?\n\n5\n00:01:22,132 --> 00:01:49,586\n我想這部分當然就是如同委員這個上面寫的這個課與這個部分當然有特殊的這個資料庫我們要繼續爭取那目前我們盡量把已經我們可以授權的部分這個資料庫先放進去而且台德本身的他的這個資料庫很重要他就是希望建立政體本身就反理制本身在這個資料庫本身因為所有的資料庫背後都有社會文化的這個關係嘛所以這個是我們建立台德的部分非常重要的一個部分\n\n6\n00:01:50,486 --> 00:01:51,189\n具體來講夠不夠是不是可以簡單回答\n\n7\n00:01:55,001 --> 00:02:19,559\n跟委員報告我想您說的沒錯資料的訓練其實資料量就是最重要的那我們第一步開始當然是先衝正體中文那包含那個台語、客語以及這個原住民母語的部分也有都在思考可是的確那個語料從哪裡來像比如說我們就會找課委會說或是你們是不是有一些那個語言認證那個就是那就會拉進來\n\n8\n00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:44,840\n那我們未來還會有更多的訓練資料庫嗎?因為像文化部這幾年也產出了非常多的相關的課委會、委員會都有相關的一些教材那這些東西是不是都可以盡快的把它納進來?這個團隊都有很努力在跟各部會的資料的協商但它背後有一些智慧財產、著作權的問題需要解決那這個大概預計是有沒有一個行程的規劃嗎?\n\n9\n00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:50,321\n新的案子是什麼?是我們現在還沒有規劃?是未來在規劃的意思嗎?有規劃\n\n10\n00:03:08,005 --> 00:03:11,107\n國科會科技大官員網站資料,我是可以用台語詢問GPT關於科學的知識,然後會獲得台語的回答嗎?\n\n11\n00:03:45,061 --> 00:03:48,946\n在台南大學就有將台語的模型出版導入了這個台語對話的生成師AI在人的國小做台語教學\n\n12\n00:04:02,283 --> 00:04:15,904\n目前是希望把機器人的對話能力提升到國中、中高中來幫助學生學台語我們現在相關的像客語或其他國家語言也是有這個方向讓他可以成為來幫助學生學台語的嗎?\n\n13\n00:04:20,124 --> 00:04:33,173\n這也是有一些相關期程已經出來了嗎?目前還沒有我想有很多的應用如果說把這個平台建立起來這個能力建立起來因為我們是建立核心的引擎那輸入\n\n14\n00:04:34,033 --> 00:04:35,914\n對,因為我們之前要講母語教學,只有一台,太少了吧?\n\n15\n00:05:03,214 --> 00:05:23,968\n網站上也可以透過,因為這個牽扯到AI的硬體進入學校還要跟教育部連結能不能把這個技術引進到他們常規性的教學工具跟輔助這個當然是一個大方向來講是希望成功建立這個技術以後能夠應用在其他各個部會的面向\n\n16\n00:05:24,949 --> 00:05:41,831\n好,那這個部分的話我們就來看看之後我們怎麼跟教育部討論好不好,就未來的部分啦。那就是說,因為我覺得這件事情真的非常重要,因為從這幾張圖表我們可以看到就是我們人,台灣的這個母語,台灣人的母語的能力是迅速的流失。\n\n17\n00:05:42,752 --> 00:06:04,893\n所以為什麼我會一直不停地強調我們的母語CHATGPT可不可以有更多的語言來去支持不管是學校裡在教學也好或者是說有沒有可能在生活裡面也可以來協助因為像我自己33歲開始學台語嘛如果當時有這東西其實對我來說也是非常有幫助啦所以我想要知道就是說我們目前啊這個的CHATGPT這個台德的GPT抱歉\n\n18\n00:06:05,914 --> 00:06:20,667\n我們目標是希望可以提升到他的等級到什麼樣子的等級因為剛是說中高級的國小師資的能力國小中高年級生的對話能力我們有沒有可能把它提升到可以做台語師資的能力呢\n\n19\n00:06:23,414 --> 00:06:37,190\n這個要仔細評估這個都是一個很大的方向但是要做到這一點可能怎麼樣的資源跟各方面但是可以做基本的這些溝通本身應該是最基本的目標啦因為這個也是目前我們已經大概初步的成果那有這個成果以後我們應該是往下進進\n\n20\n00:06:40,313 --> 00:06:40,553\n金準運科\n\n21\n00:06:56,480 --> 00:07:19,222\n107年有一個精準運動科學的研究專案計畫因為當時奧運結束不久所以大家都非常關注這件事情那當時國科會也編列了一個4年的2.4億的研究計畫所以讓我們現在在看棒球的時候我們可以知道說那個球現在投到哪一個位置所以是非常的有趣然後也提供了學校做這個智能羽球訓練那據我所知\n\n22\n00:07:20,823 --> 00:07:46,688\n這個訓練目前好像是已經結束了然後也導入了商業化的使用我現在收到的資訊是這樣現在是商業化的使用但是我希望運科不僅只是要精準還需要到普及所以這樣子的計畫是不是可以落實到更多的基層訓練讓更多的國中小的青少年選手運動員可以來做到這樣子的一個這樣子的科學訓練這可不可行\n\n23\n00:07:50,482 --> 00:08:06,508\n我想跨部會這要透過跨部會的落地核心的技術這邊發展出來用這個第一期的運科計畫已經出來而且確實有幫助在某些關鍵的這個運動本身的這個幫忙所以如何變成可能要跟我們要其他各個部會要一起來\n\n24\n00:08:07,549 --> 00:08:10,732\n在12個第二期的計畫,像是羽球、體操等,我們可以先找一些學校來一起做這些?\n\n25\n00:08:24,639 --> 00:08:51,775\n合作呢?就像新豐高中這樣子的案例是不是可以找更多的中小學一起來合作呢?報告委員因為二期運課的一個目的真的就是委員所講的要從運動的專業訓練導向全民那其實我們這邊的科研都要用實驗的概念在進行所以第一階段在科研的部分都是以特定的學校然後取得默契之後進行實驗可行安全之後才會做推廣所以推廣應該是下一期的工作這個一定會做\n\n26\n00:08:52,495 --> 00:09:15,475\n是第三期嗎?說明還會有第三期嗎?你指的下一期是第三期就對了?我不能保證,但是我很期待有第三期對,因為這個部分我們是不是可以來思考把它規劃第三期因為你現在那個體育署的計畫他們雖然是有這個運科中心在做可是這個效率實在是目前來說每年一千個我們總共現在已經有三萬五千個體育班的學生所以我還是非常希望說\n\n27\n00:09:16,135 --> 00:09:31,633\n我們可以來跟體育署這邊一起來討論讓這個運動也要普及讓更多的小孩可以去用一個比較安全而且比較科學化的訓練不要在養成的過程之中就先受傷這部分我們是不是可以來跟體育署一起討論\n\n28\n00:09:32,874 --> 00:09:56,993\n本來就是會跟體育署一起討論那也跟委員報告就是因為我們在做實驗的階段裡面一定要保證它的安全性所以像羽球羽球是用監測器來測量說它到底能不能有效的增進它的一個效率那所以呢在實驗階段裡面其實是特定學校那等到下一期之後就會等到安全商業化之後其實就真的可以普及因為一定要讓它成本降低才有辦法普及\n\n29\n00:09:57,173 --> 00:09:59,856\n大學老師在做實驗所以他有特定的實驗室然後在以及到了實驗室以外會有特定的學校\n\n30\n00:10:15,225 --> 00:10:15,625\n主持人張雅琳\n\n31\n00:10:33,857 --> 00:10:35,799\n提招主要是以次大的唐家宏選手做實驗對象\n\n32\n00:10:52,279 --> 00:10:55,080\n商業化對於一般小學或中學來說是不具備資源或資金去做所以我們還是要去思考如何提供公益使用\n\n33\n00:11:07,981 --> 00:11:08,081\n謝謝張雅琳\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n109\t469\t委員長安\n20673\t41412\t副主委早安那就是上次我們在討論那個台達這個計畫的時候啊是有講到說我們現在正在開發這個所謂的學研版本啊然後它有非常多的不錯的一些功能哦那但是我也發現這個計畫中有一個很有趣的部分也是我自己長期關注的所謂的母語教育的部分好那就是說現在國科會是在建構中\n42153\t42693\t主席主席\n61946\t80321\t我知道目前使用的資料庫就有臺灣隨俠資料集還有臺華臺平行語料庫、客委會語音資料庫、客語能力認證資料庫但是我看就是說我們公布在網站訓練資料幾乎都是整體中文的版本那這樣子的訓練資料量是足夠的嗎?\n82132\t109586\t我想這部分當然就是如同委員這個上面寫的這個課與這個部分當然有特殊的這個資料庫我們要繼續爭取那目前我們盡量把已經我們可以授權的部分這個資料庫先放進去而且台德本身的他的這個資料庫很重要他就是希望建立政體本身就反理制本身在這個資料庫本身因為所有的資料庫背後都有社會文化的這個關係嘛所以這個是我們建立台德的部分非常重要的一個部分\n110486\t111189\t具體來講夠不夠是不是可以簡單回答\n115001\t139559\t跟委員報告我想您說的沒錯資料的訓練其實資料量就是最重要的那我們第一步開始當然是先衝正體中文那包含那個台語、客語以及這個原住民母語的部分也有都在思考可是的確那個語料從哪裡來像比如說我們就會找課委會說或是你們是不是有一些那個語言認證那個就是那就會拉進來\n140680\t164840\t那我們未來還會有更多的訓練資料庫嗎?因為像文化部這幾年也產出了非常多的相關的課委會、委員會都有相關的一些教材那這些東西是不是都可以盡快的把它納進來?這個團隊都有很努力在跟各部會的資料的協商但它背後有一些智慧財產、著作權的問題需要解決那這個大概預計是有沒有一個行程的規劃嗎?\n166560\t170321\t新的案子是什麼?是我們現在還沒有規劃?是未來在規劃的意思嗎?有規劃\n188005\t191107\t國科會科技大官員網站資料,我是可以用台語詢問GPT關於科學的知識,然後會獲得台語的回答嗎?\n205759\t224821\t對﹖\n225061\t228946\t在台南大學就有將台語的模型出版導入了這個台語對話的生成師AI在人的國小做台語教學\n242283\t255904\t目前是希望把機器人的對話能力提升到國中、中高中來幫助學生學台語我們現在相關的像客語或其他國家語言也是有這個方向讓他可以成為來幫助學生學台語的嗎?\n260124\t273173\t這也是有一些相關期程已經出來了嗎?目前還沒有我想有很多的應用如果說把這個平台建立起來這個能力建立起來因為我們是建立核心的引擎那輸入\n274033\t275914\t對,因為我們之前要講母語教學,只有一台,太少了吧?\n303214\t323968\t網站上也可以透過,因為這個牽扯到AI的硬體進入學校還要跟教育部連結能不能把這個技術引進到他們常規性的教學工具跟輔助這個當然是一個大方向來講是希望成功建立這個技術以後能夠應用在其他各個部會的面向\n324949\t341831\t好,那這個部分的話我們就來看看之後我們怎麼跟教育部討論好不好,就未來的部分啦。那就是說,因為我覺得這件事情真的非常重要,因為從這幾張圖表我們可以看到就是我們人,台灣的這個母語,台灣人的母語的能力是迅速的流失。\n342752\t364893\t所以為什麼我會一直不停地強調我們的母語CHAT GPT可不可以有更多的語言來去支持不管是學校裡在教學也好或者是說有沒有可能在生活裡面也可以來協助因為像我自己33歲開始學台語嘛如果當時有這東西其實對我來說也是非常有幫助啦所以我想要知道就是說我們目前啊這個的CHAT GPT這個台德的GPT抱歉\n365914\t380667\t我們目標是希望可以提升到他的等級到什麼樣子的等級因為剛是說中高級的國小師資的能力國小中高年級生的對話能力我們有沒有可能把它提升到可以做台語師資的能力呢\n383414\t397190\t這個要仔細評估這個都是一個很大的方向但是要做到這一點可能怎麼樣的資源跟各方面但是可以做基本的這些溝通本身應該是最基本的目標啦因為這個也是目前我們已經大概初步的成果那有這個成果以後我們應該是往下進進\n400313\t400553\t金準運科\n416480\t439222\t107年有一個精準運動科學的研究專案計畫因為當時奧運結束不久所以大家都非常關注這件事情那當時國科會也編列了一個4年的2.4億的研究計畫所以讓我們現在在看棒球的時候我們可以知道說那個球現在投到哪一個位置所以是非常的有趣然後也提供了學校做這個智能羽球訓練那據我所知\n440823\t466688\t這個訓練目前好像是已經結束了然後也導入了商業化的使用我現在收到的資訊是這樣現在是商業化的使用但是我希望運科不僅只是要精準還需要到普及所以這樣子的計畫是不是可以落實到更多的基層訓練讓更多的國中小的青少年選手運動員可以來做到這樣子的一個這樣子的科學訓練這可不可行\n470482\t486508\t我想跨部會這要透過跨部會的落地核心的技術這邊發展出來用這個第一期的運科計畫已經出來而且確實有幫助在某些關鍵的這個運動本身的這個幫忙所以如何變成可能要跟我們要其他各個部會要一起來\n487549\t490732\t在12個第二期的計畫,像是羽球、體操等,我們可以先找一些學校來一起做這些?\n504639\t531775\t合作呢?就像新豐高中這樣子的案例是不是可以找更多的中小學一起來合作呢?報告委員因為二期運課的一個目的真的就是委員所講的要從運動的專業訓練導向全民那其實我們這邊的科研都要用實驗的概念在進行所以第一階段在科研的部分都是以特定的學校然後取得默契之後進行實驗可行安全之後才會做推廣所以推廣應該是下一期的工作這個一定會做\n532495\t555475\t是第三期嗎?說明還會有第三期嗎?你指的下一期是第三期就對了?我不能保證,但是我很期待有第三期對,因為這個部分我們是不是可以來思考把它規劃第三期因為你現在那個體育署的計畫他們雖然是有這個運科中心在做可是這個效率實在是目前來說每年一千個我們總共現在已經有三萬五千個體育班的學生所以我還是非常希望說\n556135\t571633\t我們可以來跟體育署這邊一起來討論讓這個運動也要普及讓更多的小孩可以去用一個比較安全而且比較科學化的訓練不要在養成的過程之中就先受傷這部分我們是不是可以來跟體育署一起討論\n572874\t596993\t本來就是會跟體育署一起討論那也跟委員報告就是因為我們在做實驗的階段裡面一定要保證它的安全性所以像羽球羽球是用監測器來測量說它到底能不能有效的增進它的一個效率那所以呢在實驗階段裡面其實是特定學校那等到下一期之後就會等到安全商業化之後其實就真的可以普及因為一定要讓它成本降低才有辦法普及\n597173\t599856\t大學老師在做實驗所以他有特定的實驗室然後在以及到了實驗室以外會有特定的學校\n615225\t615625\t主持人 張雅琳\n633857\t635799\t提招主要是以次大的唐家宏選手做實驗對象\n652279\t655080\t商業化對於一般小學或中學來說是不具備資源或資金去做所以我們還是要去思考如何提供公益使用\n667981\t668081\t謝謝張雅琳\n","txt":"委員長安\n副主委早安那就是上次我們在討論那個台達這個計畫的時候啊是有講到說我們現在正在開發這個所謂的學研版本啊然後它有非常多的不錯的一些功能哦那但是我也發現這個計畫中有一個很有趣的部分也是我自己長期關注的所謂的母語教育的部分好那就是說現在國科會是在建構中\n主席主席\n我知道目前使用的資料庫就有臺灣隨俠資料集還有臺華臺平行語料庫、客委會語音資料庫、客語能力認證資料庫但是我看就是說我們公布在網站訓練資料幾乎都是整體中文的版本那這樣子的訓練資料量是足夠的嗎?\n我想這部分當然就是如同委員這個上面寫的這個課與這個部分當然有特殊的這個資料庫我們要繼續爭取那目前我們盡量把已經我們可以授權的部分這個資料庫先放進去而且台德本身的他的這個資料庫很重要他就是希望建立政體本身就反理制本身在這個資料庫本身因為所有的資料庫背後都有社會文化的這個關係嘛所以這個是我們建立台德的部分非常重要的一個部分\n具體來講夠不夠是不是可以簡單回答\n跟委員報告我想您說的沒錯資料的訓練其實資料量就是最重要的那我們第一步開始當然是先衝正體中文那包含那個台語、客語以及這個原住民母語的部分也有都在思考可是的確那個語料從哪裡來像比如說我們就會找課委會說或是你們是不是有一些那個語言認證那個就是那就會拉進來\n那我們未來還會有更多的訓練資料庫嗎?因為像文化部這幾年也產出了非常多的相關的課委會、委員會都有相關的一些教材那這些東西是不是都可以盡快的把它納進來?這個團隊都有很努力在跟各部會的資料的協商但它背後有一些智慧財產、著作權的問題需要解決那這個大概預計是有沒有一個行程的規劃嗎?\n新的案子是什麼?是我們現在還沒有規劃?是未來在規劃的意思嗎?有規劃\n國科會科技大官員網站資料,我是可以用台語詢問GPT關於科學的知識,然後會獲得台語的回答嗎?\n對﹖\n在台南大學就有將台語的模型出版導入了這個台語對話的生成師AI在人的國小做台語教學\n目前是希望把機器人的對話能力提升到國中、中高中來幫助學生學台語我們現在相關的像客語或其他國家語言也是有這個方向讓他可以成為來幫助學生學台語的嗎?\n這也是有一些相關期程已經出來了嗎?目前還沒有我想有很多的應用如果說把這個平台建立起來這個能力建立起來因為我們是建立核心的引擎那輸入\n對,因為我們之前要講母語教學,只有一台,太少了吧?\n網站上也可以透過,因為這個牽扯到AI的硬體進入學校還要跟教育部連結能不能把這個技術引進到他們常規性的教學工具跟輔助這個當然是一個大方向來講是希望成功建立這個技術以後能夠應用在其他各個部會的面向\n好,那這個部分的話我們就來看看之後我們怎麼跟教育部討論好不好,就未來的部分啦。那就是說,因為我覺得這件事情真的非常重要,因為從這幾張圖表我們可以看到就是我們人,台灣的這個母語,台灣人的母語的能力是迅速的流失。\n所以為什麼我會一直不停地強調我們的母語CHAT GPT可不可以有更多的語言來去支持不管是學校裡在教學也好或者是說有沒有可能在生活裡面也可以來協助因為像我自己33歲開始學台語嘛如果當時有這東西其實對我來說也是非常有幫助啦所以我想要知道就是說我們目前啊這個的CHAT GPT這個台德的GPT抱歉\n我們目標是希望可以提升到他的等級到什麼樣子的等級因為剛是說中高級的國小師資的能力國小中高年級生的對話能力我們有沒有可能把它提升到可以做台語師資的能力呢\n這個要仔細評估這個都是一個很大的方向但是要做到這一點可能怎麼樣的資源跟各方面但是可以做基本的這些溝通本身應該是最基本的目標啦因為這個也是目前我們已經大概初步的成果那有這個成果以後我們應該是往下進進\n金準運科\n107年有一個精準運動科學的研究專案計畫因為當時奧運結束不久所以大家都非常關注這件事情那當時國科會也編列了一個4年的2.4億的研究計畫所以讓我們現在在看棒球的時候我們可以知道說那個球現在投到哪一個位置所以是非常的有趣然後也提供了學校做這個智能羽球訓練那據我所知\n這個訓練目前好像是已經結束了然後也導入了商業化的使用我現在收到的資訊是這樣現在是商業化的使用但是我希望運科不僅只是要精準還需要到普及所以這樣子的計畫是不是可以落實到更多的基層訓練讓更多的國中小的青少年選手運動員可以來做到這樣子的一個這樣子的科學訓練這可不可行\n我想跨部會這要透過跨部會的落地核心的技術這邊發展出來用這個第一期的運科計畫已經出來而且確實有幫助在某些關鍵的這個運動本身的這個幫忙所以如何變成可能要跟我們要其他各個部會要一起來\n在12個第二期的計畫,像是羽球、體操等,我們可以先找一些學校來一起做這些?\n合作呢?就像新豐高中這樣子的案例是不是可以找更多的中小學一起來合作呢?報告委員因為二期運課的一個目的真的就是委員所講的要從運動的專業訓練導向全民那其實我們這邊的科研都要用實驗的概念在進行所以第一階段在科研的部分都是以特定的學校然後取得默契之後進行實驗可行安全之後才會做推廣所以推廣應該是下一期的工作這個一定會做\n是第三期嗎?說明還會有第三期嗎?你指的下一期是第三期就對了?我不能保證,但是我很期待有第三期對,因為這個部分我們是不是可以來思考把它規劃第三期因為你現在那個體育署的計畫他們雖然是有這個運科中心在做可是這個效率實在是目前來說每年一千個我們總共現在已經有三萬五千個體育班的學生所以我還是非常希望說\n我們可以來跟體育署這邊一起來討論讓這個運動也要普及讓更多的小孩可以去用一個比較安全而且比較科學化的訓練不要在養成的過程之中就先受傷這部分我們是不是可以來跟體育署一起討論\n本來就是會跟體育署一起討論那也跟委員報告就是因為我們在做實驗的階段裡面一定要保證它的安全性所以像羽球羽球是用監測器來測量說它到底能不能有效的增進它的一個效率那所以呢在實驗階段裡面其實是特定學校那等到下一期之後就會等到安全商業化之後其實就真的可以普及因為一定要讓它成本降低才有辦法普及\n大學老師在做實驗所以他有特定的實驗室然後在以及到了實驗室以外會有特定的學校\n主持人 張雅琳\n提招主要是以次大的唐家宏選手做實驗對象\n商業化對於一般小學或中學來說是不具備資源或資金去做所以我們還是要去思考如何提供公益使用\n謝謝張雅琳\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.109 --> 00:00.469\n委員長安\n\n00:20.673 --> 00:41.412\n副主委早安那就是上次我們在討論那個台達這個計畫的時候啊是有講到說我們現在正在開發這個所謂的學研版本啊然後它有非常多的不錯的一些功能哦那但是我也發現這個計畫中有一個很有趣的部分也是我自己長期關注的所謂的母語教育的部分好那就是說現在國科會是在建構中\n\n00:42.153 --> 00:42.693\n主席主席\n\n01:01.946 --> 01:20.321\n我知道目前使用的資料庫就有臺灣隨俠資料集還有臺華臺平行語料庫、客委會語音資料庫、客語能力認證資料庫但是我看就是說我們公布在網站訓練資料幾乎都是整體中文的版本那這樣子的訓練資料量是足夠的嗎?\n\n01:22.132 --> 01:49.586\n我想這部分當然就是如同委員這個上面寫的這個課與這個部分當然有特殊的這個資料庫我們要繼續爭取那目前我們盡量把已經我們可以授權的部分這個資料庫先放進去而且台德本身的他的這個資料庫很重要他就是希望建立政體本身就反理制本身在這個資料庫本身因為所有的資料庫背後都有社會文化的這個關係嘛所以這個是我們建立台德的部分非常重要的一個部分\n\n01:50.486 --> 01:51.189\n具體來講夠不夠是不是可以簡單回答\n\n01:55.001 --> 02:19.559\n跟委員報告我想您說的沒錯資料的訓練其實資料量就是最重要的那我們第一步開始當然是先衝正體中文那包含那個台語、客語以及這個原住民母語的部分也有都在思考可是的確那個語料從哪裡來像比如說我們就會找課委會說或是你們是不是有一些那個語言認證那個就是那就會拉進來\n\n02:20.680 --> 02:44.840\n那我們未來還會有更多的訓練資料庫嗎?因為像文化部這幾年也產出了非常多的相關的課委會、委員會都有相關的一些教材那這些東西是不是都可以盡快的把它納進來?這個團隊都有很努力在跟各部會的資料的協商但它背後有一些智慧財產、著作權的問題需要解決那這個大概預計是有沒有一個行程的規劃嗎?\n\n02:46.560 --> 02:50.321\n新的案子是什麼?是我們現在還沒有規劃?是未來在規劃的意思嗎?有規劃\n\n03:08.005 --> 03:11.107\n國科會科技大官員網站資料,我是可以用台語詢問GPT關於科學的知識,然後會獲得台語的回答嗎?\n\n03:45.061 --> 03:48.946\n在台南大學就有將台語的模型出版導入了這個台語對話的生成師AI在人的國小做台語教學\n\n04:02.283 --> 04:15.904\n目前是希望把機器人的對話能力提升到國中、中高中來幫助學生學台語我們現在相關的像客語或其他國家語言也是有這個方向讓他可以成為來幫助學生學台語的嗎?\n\n04:20.124 --> 04:33.173\n這也是有一些相關期程已經出來了嗎?目前還沒有我想有很多的應用如果說把這個平台建立起來這個能力建立起來因為我們是建立核心的引擎那輸入\n\n04:34.033 --> 04:35.914\n對,因為我們之前要講母語教學,只有一台,太少了吧?\n\n05:03.214 --> 05:23.968\n網站上也可以透過,因為這個牽扯到AI的硬體進入學校還要跟教育部連結能不能把這個技術引進到他們常規性的教學工具跟輔助這個當然是一個大方向來講是希望成功建立這個技術以後能夠應用在其他各個部會的面向\n\n05:24.949 --> 05:41.831\n好,那這個部分的話我們就來看看之後我們怎麼跟教育部討論好不好,就未來的部分啦。那就是說,因為我覺得這件事情真的非常重要,因為從這幾張圖表我們可以看到就是我們人,台灣的這個母語,台灣人的母語的能力是迅速的流失。\n\n05:42.752 --> 06:04.893\n所以為什麼我會一直不停地強調我們的母語CHATGPT可不可以有更多的語言來去支持不管是學校裡在教學也好或者是說有沒有可能在生活裡面也可以來協助因為像我自己33歲開始學台語嘛如果當時有這東西其實對我來說也是非常有幫助啦所以我想要知道就是說我們目前啊這個的CHATGPT這個台德的GPT抱歉\n\n06:05.914 --> 06:20.667\n我們目標是希望可以提升到他的等級到什麼樣子的等級因為剛是說中高級的國小師資的能力國小中高年級生的對話能力我們有沒有可能把它提升到可以做台語師資的能力呢\n\n06:23.414 --> 06:37.190\n這個要仔細評估這個都是一個很大的方向但是要做到這一點可能怎麼樣的資源跟各方面但是可以做基本的這些溝通本身應該是最基本的目標啦因為這個也是目前我們已經大概初步的成果那有這個成果以後我們應該是往下進進\n\n06:40.313 --> 06:40.553\n金準運科\n\n06:56.480 --> 07:19.222\n107年有一個精準運動科學的研究專案計畫因為當時奧運結束不久所以大家都非常關注這件事情那當時國科會也編列了一個4年的2.4億的研究計畫所以讓我們現在在看棒球的時候我們可以知道說那個球現在投到哪一個位置所以是非常的有趣然後也提供了學校做這個智能羽球訓練那據我所知\n\n07:20.823 --> 07:46.688\n這個訓練目前好像是已經結束了然後也導入了商業化的使用我現在收到的資訊是這樣現在是商業化的使用但是我希望運科不僅只是要精準還需要到普及所以這樣子的計畫是不是可以落實到更多的基層訓練讓更多的國中小的青少年選手運動員可以來做到這樣子的一個這樣子的科學訓練這可不可行\n\n07:50.482 --> 08:06.508\n我想跨部會這要透過跨部會的落地核心的技術這邊發展出來用這個第一期的運科計畫已經出來而且確實有幫助在某些關鍵的這個運動本身的這個幫忙所以如何變成可能要跟我們要其他各個部會要一起來\n\n08:07.549 --> 08:10.732\n在12個第二期的計畫,像是羽球、體操等,我們可以先找一些學校來一起做這些?\n\n08:24.639 --> 08:51.775\n合作呢?就像新豐高中這樣子的案例是不是可以找更多的中小學一起來合作呢?報告委員因為二期運課的一個目的真的就是委員所講的要從運動的專業訓練導向全民那其實我們這邊的科研都要用實驗的概念在進行所以第一階段在科研的部分都是以特定的學校然後取得默契之後進行實驗可行安全之後才會做推廣所以推廣應該是下一期的工作這個一定會做\n\n08:52.495 --> 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GPT這個台德的GPT抱歉"},{"start":365.914,"end":380.667,"text":"我們目標是希望可以提升到他的等級到什麼樣子的等級因為剛是說中高級的國小師資的能力國小中高年級生的對話能力我們有沒有可能把它提升到可以做台語師資的能力呢"},{"start":383.414,"end":397.19,"text":"這個要仔細評估這個都是一個很大的方向但是要做到這一點可能怎麼樣的資源跟各方面但是可以做基本的這些溝通本身應該是最基本的目標啦因為這個也是目前我們已經大概初步的成果那有這個成果以後我們應該是往下進進"},{"start":400.313,"end":400.553,"text":"金準運科"},{"start":416.48,"end":439.222,"text":"107年有一個精準運動科學的研究專案計畫因為當時奧運結束不久所以大家都非常關注這件事情那當時國科會也編列了一個4年的2.4億的研究計畫所以讓我們現在在看棒球的時候我們可以知道說那個球現在投到哪一個位置所以是非常的有趣然後也提供了學校做這個智能羽球訓練那據我所知"},{"start":440.823,"end":466.688,"text":"這個訓練目前好像是已經結束了然後也導入了商業化的使用我現在收到的資訊是這樣現在是商業化的使用但是我希望運科不僅只是要精準還需要到普及所以這樣子的計畫是不是可以落實到更多的基層訓練讓更多的國中小的青少年選手運動員可以來做到這樣子的一個這樣子的科學訓練這可不可行"},{"start":470.482,"end":486.508,"text":"我想跨部會這要透過跨部會的落地核心的技術這邊發展出來用這個第一期的運科計畫已經出來而且確實有幫助在某些關鍵的這個運動本身的這個幫忙所以如何變成可能要跟我們要其他各個部會要一起來"},{"start":487.549,"end":490.732,"text":"在12個第二期的計畫,像是羽球、體操等,我們可以先找一些學校來一起做這些?"},{"start":504.639,"end":531.775,"text":"合作呢?就像新豐高中這樣子的案例是不是可以找更多的中小學一起來合作呢?報告委員因為二期運課的一個目的真的就是委員所講的要從運動的專業訓練導向全民那其實我們這邊的科研都要用實驗的概念在進行所以第一階段在科研的部分都是以特定的學校然後取得默契之後進行實驗可行安全之後才會做推廣所以推廣應該是下一期的工作這個一定會做"},{"start":532.495,"end":555.475,"text":"是第三期嗎?說明還會有第三期嗎?你指的下一期是第三期就對了?我不能保證,但是我很期待有第三期對,因為這個部分我們是不是可以來思考把它規劃第三期因為你現在那個體育署的計畫他們雖然是有這個運科中心在做可是這個效率實在是目前來說每年一千個我們總共現在已經有三萬五千個體育班的學生所以我還是非常希望說"},{"start":556.135,"end":571.633,"text":"我們可以來跟體育署這邊一起來討論讓這個運動也要普及讓更多的小孩可以去用一個比較安全而且比較科學化的訓練不要在養成的過程之中就先受傷這部分我們是不是可以來跟體育署一起討論"},{"start":572.874,"end":596.993,"text":"本來就是會跟體育署一起討論那也跟委員報告就是因為我們在做實驗的階段裡面一定要保證它的安全性所以像羽球羽球是用監測器來測量說它到底能不能有效的增進它的一個效率那所以呢在實驗階段裡面其實是特定學校那等到下一期之後就會等到安全商業化之後其實就真的可以普及因為一定要讓它成本降低才有辦法普及"},{"start":597.173,"end":599.856,"text":"大學老師在做實驗所以他有特定的實驗室然後在以及到了實驗室以外會有特定的學校"},{"start":615.225,"end":615.625,"text":"主持人 張雅琳"},{"start":633.857,"end":635.799,"text":"提招主要是以次大的唐家宏選手做實驗對象"},{"start":652.279,"end":655.08,"text":"商業化對於一般小學或中學來說是不具備資源或資金去做所以我們還是要去思考如何提供公益使用"},{"start":667.981,"end":668.081,"text":"謝謝張雅琳"}]}}}}