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（第八案如經復議，則不予審查。）\n【4月10日及11日二天一次會】）","meet":{"tmpMeeting":null,"title":"第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議","term":11,"type":"委員會","sessionPeriod":1,"sessionTimes":7,"committees":[19],"id":"委員會-11-1-19-7"},"date":"2024-04-11","duration":606,"end_time":"2024-04-11T11:07:01+08:00","start_time":"2024-04-11T10:56:55+08:00","features":["ai-transcript","gazette"],"type":"Clip","gazette":{"lineno":595,"blocks":[["陳委員超明：（10時57分）謝謝主席。首先有請陳部長。"],["主席：來，請陳部長。"],["陳代理部長駿季：委員好。"],["陳委員超明：陳部長，剛剛張嘉郡委員談到酪農，有關我們進口牛奶的問題，這個問題我大概處理過兩年，在苗栗縣造橋鄉只有小小的幾家，但是生產量過剩的時候，都沒有辦法解決，現在從紐西蘭零關稅進口，牛奶的品質又好，又有科技化把它結成一個冰下來，所以剛剛講你們對酪農要怎麼輔導，我不抱著期待，我相信臺灣的酪農會慢慢地被消滅、會逐漸地凋零、會逐漸地消失，因為我們的競爭價格實在比不過，所以我上次處理那個事情，我就覺得算了，他也把乳牛的母牛都賣了很多頭，我相信應該有跟我一起處理。"],["陳代理部長駿季：沒有，我跟委員說明，您剛才講到一點，就是國外的牛奶比臺灣的牛奶好喝，這點我不認同，因為我覺得國產的牛奶有它特殊的風味……"],["陳委員超明：當然牛奶有不同，但一般的反映都是這樣，它是紐西蘭的。"],["陳代理部長駿季：我們現在國產的牛乳大概有占了將近八成九到九成之間，我們怎麼樣讓國產牛奶做市場的區隔，增加它後端的一個拉力，那是我們自已要努力的。"],["陳委員超明：現在我只跟你講，酪農養的酪牛一直在減少，終究會被淘汰，在5年之內，你們仍然在執政，我們來看看你的結果，這是第一點。"],["陳代理部長駿季：我絕對不會……"],["陳委員超明：第二點，因為冷鏈物流一直是農業部在推動，苗栗縣那幾年好像都沒有申請到，但是我記得保留到明年度，我們鍾東錦縣長對冷鏈物流非常重視，麻煩給我們補助、給我們加強。"],["陳代理部長駿季：有關冷鏈的部分，我們正在建構整個臺灣島的冷鏈物流網，不會特別是跳了一個區塊、板塊，所以我們一定會……"],["陳委員超明：缺了苗栗這一塊，我特別提出來，我自己很瞭解。"],["陳代理部長駿季：因為包括區域冷鏈物流跟地方的部分，我們都會去配合。"],["陳委員超明：這個部分加強補助一下。","再來，今天討論到野生動物保護法，我請我們林務局的林署長。我常常懷疑一個問題，石虎是苗栗縣政府一個標誌保護的動物，苗栗縣也推展成功，但是為什麼我每次都要跟你討論這個問題？我一講到石虎，我選舉的票就少了幾千票，但是我是很務實的人，我要把地方的情形即時反映，我現在只要求你一點，因為我選舉期間，在海線地區，海線苗栗縣有四個鄉鎮，竹南鎮是沒有納入石虎保護區的，但是你把後龍、通霄、苑裡都納入石虎保護區，我反映了好幾次，我為什麼一直要反映？雖然我的票因此而減少，但是我仍然要反映，明明全省靠海的鄉鎮都沒有石虎保護區，我一直強調，好像石虎很喜歡苗栗縣，所以你把後龍、通霄、苑裡也變成石虎保護區，莫名其妙！別的縣市就沒有，臺中的大安都沒有，只有這三個鄉鎮，好像石虎很喜歡到後龍去、很喜歡到通霄去、很喜歡到苑裡去。我們來檢討一下，因為我受這個困擾非常大，現在石虎已經保育得非常好，苗栗的鄉親都有這樣的觀念，但是你把海線的那幾個鄉鎮納入石虎保護區後，我每天都被人罵，你也要有良心一點……"],["林署長華慶：委員，沒有啦，那個沒劃保護區。"],["陳委員超明：沒有這麼做的啦！全臺灣都沒有，就只有我們那三個靠海的鄉鎮……"],["陳代理部長駿季：我跟委員報告，對於石虎本身，我們只框牠的活動範圍，並不是把它劃定為保護區，所以只是牠的活動範圍是完全不能開發，它是有條件的區域。"],["陳委員超明：部長，我希望你修正這個。林局長，我一直在強調，沒有這種道理！難道苗栗縣的石虎只會在苗栗縣，新竹沒有，臺中沒有，他們都在隔壁耶！全部都被你們這樣劃起來……"],["林署長華慶：臺中也有啦。"],["陳委員超明：我現在只要求你海線的三個鄉鎮，好不好？全省都沒有，只有這三個鄉鎮被你劃為石虎保護區。"],["陳代理部長駿季：沒有啦，委員，如果石虎經常出現的話，我們把它叫做熱區、熱點，然後有曾經出沒過的，我們叫做潛勢。"],["陳委員超明：我開一次檢討會，縣政府會參加，我們現在對這個問題非常的困擾，好不好？尤其海線的那三鄉鎮被你納進去，全省都沒有，你是特別欺負我們苗栗人，你是要我這立委不要幹了、不要當選了！"],["陳代理部長駿季：我們不會這樣子啦。"],["陳委員超明：好，請回座，就是大家討論一下，不然地方的發展時常受阻，你們都講沒有，你們不瞭解情形，我不想再多講了，講多了我的選票就少了。現在石虎不能罵，要稱讚牠很漂亮，你到我們當地去走一下就可以瞭解，真的是很難做人。","現在我請漁業署張署長。"],["張署長致盛：委員好。"],["陳委員超明：張署長，我很謝謝你對苗栗縣的漁港這樣建設和支持，但是我今天看了一個資料說，去年漁業署跟能源署討論成立共存共榮基金，在離岸風力的部分，這個共存共榮基金是要給漁民的補償，還是地方的回饋？你知道這個嗎？"],["張署長致盛：跟委員報告，這個是整體的方案，一個是給漁民的協助……"],["陳委員超明：所謂整體的方案是怎麼樣？"],["張署長致盛：第一個部分就是漁民受到的損失給他補償，第二個就是漁民可能要做一些轉型或是在地資源的養護。"],["陳委員超明：所以這個共存共榮基金是在漁民之間使用的？"],["陳代理部長駿季：我跟委員說明，像風電的部分，它有補償，但是共榮基金不是一個直接的補償，而是利用共榮基金本身的費用來做整個包括漁港的建設、未來漁港的文化以及漁民本身的進出，所以它是一個綜合的……"],["陳委員超明：是誰管理的？"],["陳代理部長駿季：它是由漁會去做相關的……"],["陳委員超明：我現在就是這樣被你們害死的，你們為了要達成這個，而且我還不能說話，因為我們要鼓勵它補償，共存共榮基金是由漁會管理，還是誰管理的？"],["陳代理部長駿季：它是由財團法人或是漁會成立一個管理小組進行管理的，它不是由一個單位去做管理的。"],["陳委員超明：當然漁業署在講是給漁會管理，但是我們在地方遇到的問題是，那地方的回饋呢？地方回饋也沒有，現在幾個鄉鎮公所天天來跟我吵，說怎麼漁會有，我鄉鎮公所沒有？這是我們遇到的問題。所以我覺得這個共存共榮基金，你們真的要好好檢討，不然我們實在是擺不平。"],["張署長致盛：跟委員報告，這個基金的使用在地方有一個管理的部分，包括漁會，包括其他的政府機關，還有縣市政府、鄉鎮公所，這些都是可以參加這個小組的。"],["陳委員超明：還有，你說在113年以後，那我還更慘，全臺灣第一座離岸風力就在我苗栗縣，他們以前做了都沒有回饋，後面的有回饋，你看我要怎麼討論這個事情？先做的人就先倒楣，你知道我說的意思嗎？"],["陳代理部長駿季：我知道。"],["陳委員超明：我們竹南地方有一個四萬的離岸風力在那邊，現在你這一條設下來，後面的人就有共存共榮基金，那以前設立的呢？先做好人的卻沒有一點收穫。"],["陳代理部長駿季：沒有，離岸風電有離岸風電的補償費，共榮基金有共榮基金的，我們在1月22日……"],["陳委員超明：所以你現在要把補償費跟共榮基金跟我講清楚喔！"],["陳代理部長駿季：沒有，這兩個是分開的，這兩個是不一樣的喔！"],["陳委員超明：部長和署長，你們下鄉好好來解釋這一條，你現在有補償費，還有共存共榮基金都在漁會，一些地方政府都拿不到……"],["陳代理部長駿季：我們會再積極的去做宣導，這個共榮基金不是只有農會可以使用，它是以一個管理委員會的方式去執行的，我們會加強這方面的宣導。"],["陳委員超明：你這部分要講清楚，不然會增加我們的困擾，尤其現在我們苗栗縣的風力最強，我每天都被九降風吹到頭昏眼花，你們下來幫我說明清楚，更瞭解一下。"],["陳代理部長駿季：是。"],["陳委員超明：還有我跟你講，跟能源署一起討論，好不好？"],["張署長致盛：好，我們會把涉及漁民權益的部分做說明。"],["陳委員超明：今天有這個問題，你去解決，其他的問你，你們都沒有發覺到，好不好？好，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝陳超明委員。","接下來請賴瑞隆委員發言。","主席再宣告一次，邱志偉委員發言結束之後，我們休息5分鐘。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":456,"meet_id":"委員會-11-1-19-7","speakers":["邱議瑩","邱鎮軍","楊瓊瓔","黃捷","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","呂玉玲","張雅琳","林岱樺","張啓楷","鄭正鈐","陳亭妃","鄭天財Sra 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00:00:55,212\n在苗栗縣趙橋鄉只有小小的幾家,但是生產量過剩的時候都沒有辦法解決。現在從紐西蘭零關稅的進口,牛奶的品質又好,他又有科技要把他接成一個兵下來。所以剛剛講說你們對酪農要怎麼輔導,我不抱著期待。\n\n4\n00:00:58,815 --> 00:01:16,666\n我相信臺灣的肉農會慢慢的被消滅,會逐漸的凋零,逐漸的消失,因為我們的競爭價格實在比不夠好。所以我正在處理那個事情我就感覺啊,算了,他也把那個肉牛的母牛都賣了很多頭啊。\n\n5\n00:01:17,446 --> 00:01:18,187\n條例部分條文修正草案．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、\n\n6\n00:01:37,060 --> 00:02:04,283\n就是我們現在的國產的牛乳大概有佔的將近八成九到九成的之間那本身我們怎麼樣讓我們的國產牛奶做市場的區隔然後增加它後端的一個拉力那是我們積極要努力的現在我只跟你講若龍養的肉牛一直在減少終究會被淘汰在五年之內不然我們來看看你們永遠在此準備看看你的結果我覺得不會\n\n7\n00:02:06,069 --> 00:02:32,419\n第二點因為冷鏈物流一直是農業部在推動苗栗縣好像那幾年都沒有申請到但是我記得保留到明年度我們的中東景縣長對冷鏈物流非常的重視麻煩是給我們加錢我想冷鏈的部分我們其實正在建構整個臺灣島的冷鏈物流網它不會特別就是\n\n8\n00:02:33,519 --> 00:02:57,750\n條文修正草案案案件及第十六條之一及第十七條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十\n\n9\n00:02:59,295 --> 00:03:22,906\n十五是苗栗縣的縣府一個標誌的一個保護的動物那苗栗縣也推展成功但是我每次跟你為什麼討論這個問題我一講到十五我選舉的票就少了幾千票但是我是很務實的人我要把地方的情形其實的反應我只現在要求你一點\n\n10\n00:03:24,022 --> 00:03:47,991\n因為我選舉期間在海縣地區海縣苗栗縣有四個鄉鎮直蘭鎮沒有拉支食物保護區厚隆、通宵、印尼你把它拉支食物的保護區那我一直反映了好幾次那我為什麼一直要反映雖然我的票為了這樣減少但是我從來要轉向的海靠海的地方\n\n11\n00:03:49,270 --> 00:04:03,218\n條文修正草案案案件及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及\n\n12\n00:04:15,464 --> 00:04:30,083\n條文修正草案．第十四條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八\n\n13\n00:04:31,284 --> 00:04:33,885\n條文修正草案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案\n\n14\n00:04:58,815 --> 00:05:02,016\n條例部分條文修正草案．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、\n\n15\n00:05:28,467 --> 00:05:29,748\n條例部分條文修正草案案案。\n\n16\n00:05:39,810 --> 00:06:07,040\n第十六條之一及第十七條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及\n\n17\n00:06:12,844 --> 00:06:29,720\n那個張市長我很謝謝你對苗栗縣的漁港這樣建設跟支持但是我今天看了一個資料說你們去年1月時跟人員時討論成立共存共榮基金在離岸風力\n\n18\n00:06:31,385 --> 00:06:57,074\n共存共榮基金是要以漁民的補償還是地方的回饋?各位委員報告這個是整體的方案一個是給漁民的協助第一個部分就是漁民受到的損失給他補償第二個就是漁民可能要做一些轉型或者是在地的一些資源的養分所以這個共存共榮的基金是在漁民之間使用的?\n\n19\n00:06:58,174 --> 00:07:11,905\n我跟委員說明一下那個整個的一個向豐電的部分他有補償但是他有一個共農基金他不是一個直接的補償他是利用這個共農的基金本身所的費用能夠做整個漁港的包括漁港的建設\n\n20\n00:07:12,705 --> 00:07:23,390\n然後會來漁港的這些文化還有漁民本身的一個進出所以他是一個綜合的一個他是由相關的漁會漁會的部分去做相關的\n\n21\n00:07:37,017 --> 00:07:38,719\n二．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一\n\n22\n00:07:59,876 --> 00:08:23,379\n條文修正草案案。所以我覺得在這個共存共同基金裡面我們真的要好好檢討,沒問題擺不平啊。各位委員報告齁,這個基金的使用齁,在地方有一個管理的部分,包括漁會,包括相關的其他的政府機關,還有縣市政府、鄉鎮公所這些都是可以參加這個小組裡面的。\n\n23\n00:08:25,697 --> 00:08:45,632\n你說在一百一十三年以後啊我剛才我阿哥到海前臺灣省第一座離岸風力就在我苗栗縣啊他們以前做了都沒有回饋後面的有回饋你看我要怎麼來討論這件事情啊先做人就先討論你知道我講的意思嗎\n\n24\n00:08:47,697 --> 00:09:12,486\n我們在竹南地方有一個四萬的那個離岸風力的在那邊現在你這條設下來後面的人就有共存共農資金那以前設立我先做我先做好了我沒有一點收穫沒有離岸風電他補償補償費有補償費那共農基金有共農基金那我們在1月23號所以你現在補償費跟共農基金都要跟我講嗎沒有這兩個是分開的喔這兩個是不一樣的喔\n\n25\n00:09:17,028 --> 00:09:31,094\n市長你下來好好解釋這一條。你現在有補償會、共榮、共存基金都在示威,一些地方政府都拿不上。我想我們會再積極的去做一個宣導\n\n26\n00:09:32,174 --> 00:09:53,527\n這個共農基金不是只有農會可以使用,它是一個管理委員會的方式去執行的,我想我們會加強這方面的一個憲法。不過我一直在講,不然會增加我們困擾,尤其現在我們苗栗縣的風力最強,高高風,我每天給人家擦到頭暈眼花了,下來幫我說明清楚,更了解一下。還有我跟你講,跟能源使一起要討論。\n\n27\n00:09:54,748 --> 00:09:55,851\n條例部分條文修正草案案。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n69\t12134\t一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．\n23951\t25232\t剛剛專政卿委員談到酪農,我們進來的那個牛奶的一個問題。那大概這個問題我處理過兩年。\n34116\t55212\t在苗栗縣趙橋鄉只有小小的幾家,但是生產量過剩的時候都沒有辦法解決。現在從紐西蘭零關稅的進口,牛奶的品質又好,他又有科技要把他接成一個兵下來。所以剛剛講說你們對酪農要怎麼輔導,我不抱著期待。\n58815\t76666\t我相信臺灣的肉農會慢慢的被消滅,會逐漸的凋零,逐漸的消失,因為我們的競爭價格實在比不夠好。所以我正在處理那個事情我就感覺啊,算了,他也把那個肉牛的母牛都賣了很多頭啊。\n77446\t78187\t條例部分條文修正草案．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、\n97060\t124283\t就是我們現在的國產的牛乳大概有佔的將近八成九到九成的之間那本身我們怎麼樣讓我們的國產牛奶做市場的區隔然後增加它後端的一個拉力那是我們積極要努力的現在我只跟你講若龍養的肉牛一直在減少終究會被淘汰在五年之內不然我們來看看你們永遠在此準備看看你的結果我覺得不會\n126069\t152419\t第二點因為冷鏈物流一直是農業部在推動苗栗縣好像那幾年都沒有申請到但是我記得保留到明年度我們的中東景縣長對冷鏈物流非常的重視麻煩是給我們加錢我想冷鏈的部分我們其實正在建構整個臺灣島的冷鏈物流網它不會特別就是\n153519\t177750\t條文修正草案案案件及第十六條之一及第十七條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十\n179295\t202906\t十五是苗栗縣的縣府一個標誌的一個保護的動物那苗栗縣也推展成功但是我每次跟你為什麼討論這個問題我一講到十五我選舉的票就少了幾千票但是我是很務實的人我要把地方的情形其實的反應我只現在要求你一點\n204022\t227991\t因為我選舉期間在海縣地區海縣苗栗縣有四個鄉鎮直蘭鎮沒有拉支食物保護區厚隆、通宵、印尼你把它拉支食物的保護區那我一直反映了好幾次那我為什麼一直要反映雖然我的票為了這樣減少但是我從來要轉向的海靠海的地方\n229270\t243218\t條文修正草案案案件及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及\n255464\t270083\t條文修正草案．第十四條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八\n271284\t273885\t條文修正草案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案\n298815\t302016\t條例部分條文修正草案．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、\n328467\t329748\t條例部分條文修正草案案 案。\n339810\t367040\t第十六條之一及第十七條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及\n372844\t389720\t那個張市長我很謝謝你對苗栗縣的漁港這樣建設跟支持但是我今天看了一個資料說你們去年1月時跟人員時討論成立共存共榮基金在離岸風力\n391385\t417074\t共存共榮基金是要以漁民的補償還是地方的回饋?各位委員報告這個是整體的方案一個是給漁民的協助第一個部分就是漁民受到的損失給他補償第二個就是漁民可能要做一些轉型或者是在地的一些資源的養分所以這個共存共榮的基金是在漁民之間使用的?\n418174\t431905\t我跟委員說明一下那個整個的一個向豐電的部分他有補償但是他有一個共農基金他不是一個直接的補償他是利用這個共農的基金本身所的費用能夠做整個漁港的包括漁港的建設\n432705\t443390\t然後會來漁港的這些文化還有漁民本身的一個進出所以他是一個綜合的一個他是由相關的漁會漁會的部分去做相關的\n457017\t458719\t二．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一\n479876\t503379\t條文修正草案案。所以我覺得在這個共存共同基金裡面我們真的要好好檢討,沒問題擺不平啊。各位委員報告齁,這個基金的使用齁,在地方有一個管理的部分,包括漁會,包括相關的其他的政府機關,還有縣市政府、鄉鎮公所這些都是可以參加這個小組裡面的。\n505697\t525632\t你說在一百一十三年以後啊我剛才我阿哥到海前臺灣省第一座離岸風力就在我苗栗縣啊他們以前做了都沒有回饋後面的有回饋你看我要怎麼來討論這件事情啊先做人就先討論你知道我講的意思嗎\n527697\t552486\t我們在竹南地方有一個四萬的那個離岸風力的在那邊現在你這條設下來後面的人就有共存共農資金那以前設立我先做我先做好了我沒有一點收穫沒有離岸風電他補償補償費有補償費那共農基金有共農基金那我們在1月23號所以你現在補償費跟共農基金都要跟我講嗎沒有這兩個是分開的喔這兩個是不一樣的喔\n557028\t571094\t市長你下來好好解釋這一條。你現在有補償會、共榮、共存基金都在示威,一些地方政府都拿不上。我想我們會再積極的去做一個宣導\n572174\t593527\t這個共農基金不是只有農會可以使用,它是一個管理委員會的方式去執行的,我想我們會加強這方面的一個憲法。不過我一直在講,不然會增加我們困擾,尤其現在我們苗栗縣的風力最強,高高風,我每天給人家擦到頭暈眼花了,下來幫我說明清楚,更了解一下。還有我跟你講,跟能源使一起要討論。\n594748\t595851\t條例部分條文修正草案案。\n","txt":"一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．\n剛剛專政卿委員談到酪農,我們進來的那個牛奶的一個問題。那大概這個問題我處理過兩年。\n在苗栗縣趙橋鄉只有小小的幾家,但是生產量過剩的時候都沒有辦法解決。現在從紐西蘭零關稅的進口,牛奶的品質又好,他又有科技要把他接成一個兵下來。所以剛剛講說你們對酪農要怎麼輔導,我不抱著期待。\n我相信臺灣的肉農會慢慢的被消滅,會逐漸的凋零,逐漸的消失,因為我們的競爭價格實在比不夠好。所以我正在處理那個事情我就感覺啊,算了,他也把那個肉牛的母牛都賣了很多頭啊。\n條例部分條文修正草案．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、\n就是我們現在的國產的牛乳大概有佔的將近八成九到九成的之間那本身我們怎麼樣讓我們的國產牛奶做市場的區隔然後增加它後端的一個拉力那是我們積極要努力的現在我只跟你講若龍養的肉牛一直在減少終究會被淘汰在五年之內不然我們來看看你們永遠在此準備看看你的結果我覺得不會\n第二點因為冷鏈物流一直是農業部在推動苗栗縣好像那幾年都沒有申請到但是我記得保留到明年度我們的中東景縣長對冷鏈物流非常的重視麻煩是給我們加錢我想冷鏈的部分我們其實正在建構整個臺灣島的冷鏈物流網它不會特別就是\n條文修正草案案案件及第十六條之一及第十七條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十\n十五是苗栗縣的縣府一個標誌的一個保護的動物那苗栗縣也推展成功但是我每次跟你為什麼討論這個問題我一講到十五我選舉的票就少了幾千票但是我是很務實的人我要把地方的情形其實的反應我只現在要求你一點\n因為我選舉期間在海縣地區海縣苗栗縣有四個鄉鎮直蘭鎮沒有拉支食物保護區厚隆、通宵、印尼你把它拉支食物的保護區那我一直反映了好幾次那我為什麼一直要反映雖然我的票為了這樣減少但是我從來要轉向的海靠海的地方\n條文修正草案案案件及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及\n條文修正草案．第十四條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八\n條文修正草案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案\n條例部分條文修正草案．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、\n條例部分條文修正草案案 案。\n第十六條之一及第十七條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及\n那個張市長我很謝謝你對苗栗縣的漁港這樣建設跟支持但是我今天看了一個資料說你們去年1月時跟人員時討論成立共存共榮基金在離岸風力\n共存共榮基金是要以漁民的補償還是地方的回饋?各位委員報告這個是整體的方案一個是給漁民的協助第一個部分就是漁民受到的損失給他補償第二個就是漁民可能要做一些轉型或者是在地的一些資源的養分所以這個共存共榮的基金是在漁民之間使用的?\n我跟委員說明一下那個整個的一個向豐電的部分他有補償但是他有一個共農基金他不是一個直接的補償他是利用這個共農的基金本身所的費用能夠做整個漁港的包括漁港的建設\n然後會來漁港的這些文化還有漁民本身的一個進出所以他是一個綜合的一個他是由相關的漁會漁會的部分去做相關的\n二．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一\n條文修正草案案。所以我覺得在這個共存共同基金裡面我們真的要好好檢討,沒問題擺不平啊。各位委員報告齁,這個基金的使用齁,在地方有一個管理的部分,包括漁會,包括相關的其他的政府機關,還有縣市政府、鄉鎮公所這些都是可以參加這個小組裡面的。\n你說在一百一十三年以後啊我剛才我阿哥到海前臺灣省第一座離岸風力就在我苗栗縣啊他們以前做了都沒有回饋後面的有回饋你看我要怎麼來討論這件事情啊先做人就先討論你知道我講的意思嗎\n我們在竹南地方有一個四萬的那個離岸風力的在那邊現在你這條設下來後面的人就有共存共農資金那以前設立我先做我先做好了我沒有一點收穫沒有離岸風電他補償補償費有補償費那共農基金有共農基金那我們在1月23號所以你現在補償費跟共農基金都要跟我講嗎沒有這兩個是分開的喔這兩個是不一樣的喔\n市長你下來好好解釋這一條。你現在有補償會、共榮、共存基金都在示威,一些地方政府都拿不上。我想我們會再積極的去做一個宣導\n這個共農基金不是只有農會可以使用,它是一個管理委員會的方式去執行的,我想我們會加強這方面的一個憲法。不過我一直在講,不然會增加我們困擾,尤其現在我們苗栗縣的風力最強,高高風,我每天給人家擦到頭暈眼花了,下來幫我說明清楚,更了解一下。還有我跟你講,跟能源使一起要討論。\n條例部分條文修正草案案。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.069 --> 00:12.134\n一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．\n\n00:23.951 --> 00:25.232\n剛剛專政卿委員談到酪農,我們進來的那個牛奶的一個問題。那大概這個問題我處理過兩年。\n\n00:34.116 --> 00:55.212\n在苗栗縣趙橋鄉只有小小的幾家,但是生產量過剩的時候都沒有辦法解決。現在從紐西蘭零關稅的進口,牛奶的品質又好,他又有科技要把他接成一個兵下來。所以剛剛講說你們對酪農要怎麼輔導,我不抱著期待。\n\n00:58.815 --> 01:16.666\n我相信臺灣的肉農會慢慢的被消滅,會逐漸的凋零,逐漸的消失,因為我們的競爭價格實在比不夠好。所以我正在處理那個事情我就感覺啊,算了,他也把那個肉牛的母牛都賣了很多頭啊。\n\n01:17.446 --> 01:18.187\n條例部分條文修正草案．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、\n\n01:37.060 --> 02:04.283\n就是我們現在的國產的牛乳大概有佔的將近八成九到九成的之間那本身我們怎麼樣讓我們的國產牛奶做市場的區隔然後增加它後端的一個拉力那是我們積極要努力的現在我只跟你講若龍養的肉牛一直在減少終究會被淘汰在五年之內不然我們來看看你們永遠在此準備看看你的結果我覺得不會\n\n02:06.069 --> 02:32.419\n第二點因為冷鏈物流一直是農業部在推動苗栗縣好像那幾年都沒有申請到但是我記得保留到明年度我們的中東景縣長對冷鏈物流非常的重視麻煩是給我們加錢我想冷鏈的部分我們其實正在建構整個臺灣島的冷鏈物流網它不會特別就是\n\n02:33.519 --> 02:57.750\n條文修正草案案案件及第十六條之一及第十七條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十\n\n02:59.295 --> 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