{"id":151048,"url":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/151048","video_url":"https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/40ef09094e90200b1137121a97bb00bde63a84d836101fd2f8ba9b0039caa7a6beabdca209669a6e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8","委員名稱":"邱志偉","委員發言時間":"11:14:31 - 11:24:01","影片長度":"00:09:30","會議時間":"2024-04-11T09:00:00+08:00","會議名稱":"立法院第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查：\n（一）行政院函請審議「遠洋漁業條例第十四條之一、第三十六條之一及第四十七條條文修正草案」案。\n（二）本院委員邱鎮軍等18人擬具「遠洋漁業條例部分條文修正草案」案。\n（三）本院委員楊瓊瓔等21人擬具「遠洋漁業條例增訂第十四條之一及第三十八條之一條文草案」案。\n          （第二案及第三案如經復議，則不予審查。）\n二、審查：\n（一）行政院函請審議「野生動物保育法部分條文修正草案」案。\n（二）本院委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等21人擬具「野生動物保育法部分條文修正草案」案。\n（三）本院委員賴瑞隆等16人擬具「野生動物保育法部分條文修正草案」案。\n（四）本院委員黃捷等22人擬具「野生動物保育法部分條文修正草案」案。\n（五）本院委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等16人擬具「野生動物保育法部分條文修正草案」案。\n（六）本院委員郭昱晴等16人擬具「野生動物保育法部分條文修正草案」案。\n（七）本院委員呂玉玲等17人擬具「野生動物保育法第十九條、第二十一條及第二十一條之一條文修正草案」案。\n（八）本院委員張雅琳等18人擬具「野生動物保育法部分條文修正草案」案。\n　      （第八案如經復議，則不予審查。）\n【4月10日及11日二天一次會】）","meet":{"tmpMeeting":null,"title":"第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議","term":11,"type":"委員會","sessionPeriod":1,"sessionTimes":7,"committees":[19],"id":"委員會-11-1-19-7"},"date":"2024-04-11","duration":570,"end_time":"2024-04-11T11:24:01+08:00","start_time":"2024-04-11T11:14:31+08:00","features":["ai-transcript","gazette"],"type":"Clip","gazette":{"lineno":696,"blocks":[["邱委員志偉：（11時14分）謝謝主席。有請陳部長。"],["主席：請陳部長。"],["陳代理部長駿季：委員好。"],["邱委員志偉：部長，改良式獵具，你們推廣多久了？"],["陳代理部長駿季：兩年了。"],["邱委員志偉：改良式獵具也有包括金屬材質？"],["陳代理部長駿季：有不同……"],["邱委員志偉：有包括金屬材質嗎？"],["陳代理部長駿季：有。"],["邱委員志偉：因為今天很多版本都是希望全面禁用金屬材質，你們不建議修法的原因是，你們正在推廣改良式獵具。改良式獵具會不會有強大的殺傷力？是怎麼樣的獵具？能不能看一下？還是金屬材質嘛？大部分都是金屬材質嘛？"],["林署長華慶：金屬材質其實不是真正造成殺傷力的重點，是因為過細。"],["邱委員志偉：這個是改良式的獵具嘛？"],["林署長華慶：對，是因為線徑過細。"],["邱委員志偉：所以大部分是金屬嘛？"],["林署長華慶：對，所以金屬材質其實不是問題，而是線徑，現行市售的獵具線徑過細。"],["邱委員志偉：既然推廣了兩年，為什麼還提那麼多的修法，都是全面禁止金屬製？"],["林署長華慶：這次全面禁止是獸鋏，獸鋏全面禁止。以現在的高分子技術，也可以做成塑膠線，殺傷力會更強，它不是金屬。"],["邱委員志偉：你說的是山豬吊那個部分嘛？"],["林署長華慶：對……"],["陳代理部長駿季：今天最主要就是獸鋏完全禁止，針對山豬吊，我們在這次的修法並沒有提，但是在第十九條裡面有一個是可以依照主管機關公告的獵具。現在山豬吊還有必須存在的一些原因，所以我們現在積極地在推動改良式的這些獵具。"],["邱委員志偉：你應該跟所有的提案委員充分說明。"],["陳代理部長駿季：對，剛才有說我們會推，然後在一年之內盡可能的……"],["邱委員志偉：你們剛剛解釋很清楚，我瞭解了。","接著是關於遠洋漁業的問題，目前從事遠洋漁業的我國籍船員人數大概有多少？"],["張署長致盛：我國籍的大概在2,000人左右。"],["邱委員志偉：遠洋漁業有高風險，包括機械故障、船員傷亡或者傷病，甚至船員失蹤。你們在2017年就有成立漁業監控中心，針對各項狀況，你們都有掌握，也都有通報，5年770件，平均1年大概154件，主要集中在機械故障、傷病、死亡，你們有沒有什麼方法可以讓機械故障的案件數能夠下降？確保漁船作業或者在遠洋的過程中，能夠符合適航標準，有沒有更積極的作為？"],["張署長致盛：這個涉及到船舶設備及安全的部分，船舶檢查是交通部航港局的權責。"],["邱委員志偉：這個部分主管機關應該要協調交通部相關單位，確保它的適航標準能夠提高。"],["張署長致盛：目前都定期安檢。"],["邱委員志偉：另外，你們要跟衛福部協調放寬慢性病處方箋用藥限制，這部分的進度怎麼樣？"],["張署長致盛：這部分已經經過協調了，相關部會也都支持，我們會針對船上常用的部分，讓他可以攜帶足夠的藥物。"],["邱委員志偉：有共識之後，你們就要去宣導，讓這些遠洋漁業從業的船員能夠瞭解他們的權益。另外，失蹤案平均有9.4件，這個算是高，漁業署有沒有加強精進的作為？"],["張署長致盛：因為失蹤案最主要發生的原因就是意外落海，現在我們有推救生衣，總共會補助遠洋漁船2萬件，等於是船上幾乎每個人都有，只要在甲板上工作，規定就是要穿救生衣，落海之後比較容易搜救。另外也給他定位指示器，會補助1萬具，有這個就比較容易搜救。"],["邱委員志偉：要全面澈底去執行，降低失蹤數，這個當然是確保他們的安全。","另外，韓國有個經驗2022 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00:00:12,269\n邱智偉委員發言。改良式的列具推廣多久?兩年了。\n\n2\n00:00:29,235 --> 00:00:54,505\n改良式的劣距也有包括金屬的材質嗎?因為今天很多版本都是希望全面禁用金屬材質。那你們不建議這個修法的原因是說你們正在推廣改良式的劣距。這個改良式的劣距會不會有強大的殺傷力?是怎麼樣的劣距?能不能看一下?\n\n3\n00:00:55,748 --> 00:00:56,689\n條例部分條文修正草案案。\n\n4\n00:01:15,370 --> 00:01:29,530\n對所以金屬材質其實不是不是問題是他的現境現行的那個市售的現境過期為什麼還提那麼多的修法都是全面禁止金屬這是全面禁止是售假售假全面禁止\n\n5\n00:01:30,507 --> 00:01:53,617\n現在的那個高分子的技術,它也可以做成是塑膠線,那個殺傷力會更強,它不是金屬。你說的山豬釣那個部分嗎?對,我想跟委員說明,今天最主要就是售甲的部分我是完全禁止,但是針對山豬釣的部分,我們在這次的修法並沒有去提,但是在19條裡面,它有一個我們還可以依照主管機關公告的這個列據,\n\n6\n00:01:54,938 --> 00:02:20,964\n那現在刪除掉還有它必須要存在的一些原因所以我們現在積極的在推動改良式的這些列據你應該跟所有提案委員做充分的說明啊對剛才有說就是我們會推這個所謂的然後在一年之內盡可能的因為這樣解釋得很清楚我了解接著這個遠洋遠洋漁業的問題目前我國從事遠洋漁業的這個傳言人數大概有多少我國級的大概有多少人數我國級的\n\n7\n00:02:22,861 --> 00:02:28,706\n五國籍的大概在兩千人左右。」遠洋漁業有高風險包括機械故障、船員傷亡或傷病甚至船員失蹤你們在2017年就成立漁業監控中心針對各項的狀況你們都有掌握、都有通報五年770件\n\n8\n00:02:49,082 --> 00:03:11,172\n一年大概154件,當然主要是集中在機械故障、傷病、冤死亡。所以你們有沒有什麼方法可以讓機械故障的這個案件數能夠下降,能夠確保漁船在作業或者在遠洋的過程中能夠符合四航標準,有沒有更積極的作為?\n\n9\n00:03:12,247 --> 00:03:17,511\n條文修正草案案案件及其安全等條文修正草案案件及其安全等條文修正草案案件及其安全等條文修正草案\n\n10\n00:03:39,665 --> 00:04:04,998\n這部分已經經過協調了那大概相關部會也都支持我們會針對船上常用的這個部分讓他可以攜帶足夠的藥物所以你要去宣導有共識之外就去宣導讓這些遠洋漁業的這個從業的這個船員能夠了解他們的這個權益另外失蹤案平均有9點事件那這個算是高喔漁業署有沒有加強精進的作為\n\n11\n00:04:06,038 --> 00:04:32,409\n對因為失蹤案最主要發生的原因就是意外落海那現在我們有推救生衣的部分就是遠洋漁船大概總共會補助兩萬件等於是船上幾乎每個人在甲板上工作規定就是要穿救生衣那落海之後就是比較容易收救另外給他定位指示器這個會補助一萬具那這個就比較容易收救這降低這個失蹤數這個大概是確保他們的安全另外韓國有個經驗就是說\n\n12\n00:04:34,910 --> 00:04:55,087\n二）二）二二KBRAND韓流行銷作業結合他們觀光、結合他們相關的部門,特別是把農產品、農漁產品透過平台、透過跨部會的合作一起來行銷韓國主要的商品。\n\n13\n00:04:57,310 --> 00:05:12,869\n當然農業部也有加強農產品國際行銷方案,但是我是覺得只局限於農產品,也應該更大的思維、更大的視野結合其他不像說體育、文化或者藝術\n\n14\n00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:40,635\n把這個整體做一個臺灣整體的行銷啊,這個部分可以參考韓國K不認經驗。」這個部長。我很謝謝委員的建議齁,就是過往其實像在東京市別館大的展覽我們都是以農產品為主,但是我們在建築或是其他的部分的活動的時候是有跟其他的文化產業連接在一起。那剛才委員提到就是說應該更鏈接其他的部會一起去行銷,那這個部分我想我們會積極的來努力。\n\n15\n00:05:41,535 --> 00:06:04,616\n對,包括體育啦、文化啦、藝術啦。對,我跟委員說明,我們現在正在推,就是體育,就是奧運有沒有,我們現在飛機上面去弄一個農產品,臺灣雲南農產品的這些東西,推到飛機上去,這個就是一個例子。這個最好是有個T-brand,那T-brand一定要包含這個石斑跟這個虱目魚。\n\n16\n00:06:06,567 --> 00:06:28,901\n二）本院委員楊瓊瓔等21人擬具:「遠洋漁業條例部分條文修正草案．第十四條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一\n\n17\n00:06:31,314 --> 00:06:32,916\n條文修正草案案條文修正草案條文修正草案\n\n18\n00:06:50,428 --> 00:07:06,062\n第一部分就是說我們會去公告就是不能進口的這已經符合IUU的規範不能進口的然後進來的時候我們在邊境會做把關那邊境如果是像魚類是凍品的時候他會經過衛福部的非追不可的系統第一階段他會登錄\n\n19\n00:07:07,003 --> 00:07:12,406\n條文修正草案案案件及其成本等條文修正草案案件及其成本等條文修正草案案件及其成本等條文修正草案案件及其成本\n\n20\n00:07:34,775 --> 00:07:43,537\n以我們現在的觀察是不會有。國際上對IU有一個非常嚴謹的規範,包括什麼樣的漁船、什麼樣的漁貨。國際上打擊IU是不遺餘力,所以我們包括對出口、對進口的部分都有相關法規來做規範,所以這個部分我們是把進口這個部分把它補足。\n\n21\n00:08:04,483 --> 00:08:28,910\n條文修正草案案件事項,並且避免以後發生這樣的事,但是我們裁法不是我們的目的,而是不要發生這件事,所以我們有相關的措施來努力。另外這個如果強迫勞動的狀況,就是說有這個對於這個所謂的強迫勞動,我們這個一度被列為強迫勞動的名單,跟中國甚至加拿大跟泰國印尼,\n\n22\n00:08:30,956 --> 00:08:49,228\n這個所謂的血汗海鮮會不會未來也會變為IUU的一個樣態之一?各位委員報告目前美國已經把強迫勞動列為是IUU的樣態之一那我覺得把台灣認為是強迫勞動的這個對我們的漁業是不公平的\n\n23\n00:08:49,488 --> 00:09:06,446\n不能因為少數個案而且未經證實的就把臺灣的漁業認為是血岸海鮮。有沒有參觀單位來反映?有。那目前我們漁業與人權這個行動計畫其實針對很多方面都已經在做努力。那國外包括NGO、初步也都認同臺灣的努力。那這個後續我們還是要...什麼時候可以提出這個名單呢?\n\n24\n00:09:07,312 --> 00:09:09,674\n條文修正草案．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n103\t12269\t邱智偉委員發言。改良式的列具推廣多久?兩年了。\n29235\t54505\t改良式的劣距也有包括金屬的材質嗎?因為今天很多版本都是希望全面禁用金屬材質。那你們不建議這個修法的原因是說你們正在推廣改良式的劣距。這個改良式的劣距會不會有強大的殺傷力?是怎麼樣的劣距?能不能看一下?\n55748\t56689\t條例部分條文修正草案案。\n75370\t89530\t對所以金屬材質其實不是不是問題是他的現境現行的那個市售的現境過期為什麼還提那麼多的修法都是全面禁止金屬這是全面禁止是售假售假全面禁止\n90507\t113617\t現在的那個高分子的技術,它也可以做成是塑膠線,那個殺傷力會更強,它不是金屬。你說的山豬釣那個部分嗎?對,我想跟委員說明,今天最主要就是售甲的部分我是完全禁止,但是針對山豬釣的部分,我們在這次的修法並沒有去提,但是在19條裡面,它有一個我們還可以依照主管機關公告的這個列據,\n114938\t140964\t那現在刪除掉還有它必須要存在的一些原因所以我們現在積極的在推動改良式的這些列據你應該跟所有提案委員做充分的說明啊對剛才有說就是我們會推這個所謂的然後在一年之內盡可能的因為這樣解釋得很清楚我了解接著這個遠洋遠洋漁業的問題目前我國從事遠洋漁業的這個傳言人數大概有多少我國級的大概有多少人數我國級的\n142861\t148706\t五國籍的大概在兩千人左右。」遠洋漁業有高風險包括機械故障、船員傷亡或傷病甚至船員失蹤你們在2017年就成立漁業監控中心針對各項的狀況你們都有掌握、都有通報五年770件\n169082\t191172\t一年大概154件,當然主要是集中在機械故障、傷病、冤死亡。所以你們有沒有什麼方法可以讓機械故障的這個案件數能夠下降,能夠確保漁船在作業或者在遠洋的過程中能夠符合四航標準,有沒有更積極的作為?\n192247\t197511\t條文修正草案案案件及其安全等條文修正草案案件及其安全等條文修正草案案件及其安全等條文修正草案\n219665\t244998\t這部分已經經過協調了那大概相關部會也都支持我們會針對船上常用的這個部分讓他可以攜帶足夠的藥物所以你要去宣導有共識之外就去宣導讓這些遠洋漁業的這個從業的這個船員能夠了解他們的這個權益另外失蹤案平均有9點事件那這個算是高喔漁業署有沒有加強精進的作為\n246038\t272409\t對因為失蹤案最主要發生的原因就是意外落海那現在我們有推救生衣的部分就是遠洋漁船大概總共會補助兩萬件等於是船上幾乎每個人在甲板上工作規定就是要穿救生衣那落海之後就是比較容易收救另外給他定位指示器這個會補助一萬具那這個就比較容易收救這降低這個失蹤數這個大概是確保他們的安全另外韓國有個經驗就是說\n274910\t295087\t二）二）二二KBRAND韓流行銷作業結合他們觀光、結合他們相關的部門,特別是把農產品、農漁產品透過平台、透過跨部會的合作一起來行銷韓國主要的商品。\n297310\t312869\t當然農業部也有加強農產品國際行銷方案,但是我是覺得只局限於農產品,也應該更大的思維、更大的視野結合其他不像說體育、文化或者藝術\n314400\t340635\t把這個整體做一個臺灣整體的行銷啊,這個部分可以參考韓國K不認經驗。」這個部長。我很謝謝委員的建議齁,就是過往其實像在東京市別館大的展覽我們都是以農產品為主,但是我們在建築或是其他的部分的活動的時候是有跟其他的文化產業連接在一起。那剛才委員提到就是說應該更鏈接其他的部會一起去行銷,那這個部分我想我們會積極的來努力。\n341535\t364616\t對,包括體育啦、文化啦、藝術啦。對,我跟委員說明,我們現在正在推,就是體育,就是奧運有沒有,我們現在飛機上面去弄一個農產品,臺灣雲南農產品的這些東西,推到飛機上去,這個就是一個例子。這個最好是有個T-brand,那T-brand一定要包含這個石斑跟這個虱目魚。\n366567\t388901\t二）本院委員楊瓊瓔等21人擬具:「遠洋漁業條例部分條文修正草案．第十四條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一\n391314\t392916\t條文修正草案案 條文修正草案 條文修正草案\n410428\t426062\t第一部分就是說我們會去公告就是不能進口的這已經符合IUU的規範不能進口的然後進來的時候我們在邊境會做把關那邊境如果是像魚類是凍品的時候他會經過衛福部的非追不可的系統第一階段他會登錄\n427003\t432406\t條文修正草案案案件及其成本等條文修正草案案件及其成本等條文修正草案案件及其成本等條文修正草案案件及其成本\n454775\t463537\t以我們現在的觀察是不會有。國際上對IU有一個非常嚴謹的規範,包括什麼樣的漁船、什麼樣的漁貨。國際上打擊IU是不遺餘力,所以我們包括對出口、對進口的部分都有相關法規來做規範,所以這個部分我們是把進口這個部分把它補足。\n484483\t508910\t條文修正草案案件事項,並且避免以後發生這樣的事,但是我們裁法不是我們的目的,而是不要發生這件事,所以我們有相關的措施來努力。另外這個如果強迫勞動的狀況,就是說有這個對於這個所謂的強迫勞動,我們這個一度被列為強迫勞動的名單,跟中國甚至加拿大跟泰國印尼,\n510956\t529228\t這個所謂的血汗海鮮會不會未來也會變為IUU的一個樣態之一?各位委員報告目前美國已經把強迫勞動列為是IUU的樣態之一那我覺得把台灣認為是強迫勞動的這個對我們的漁業是不公平的\n529488\t546446\t不能因為少數個案而且未經證實的就把臺灣的漁業認為是血岸海鮮。有沒有參觀單位來反映?有。那目前我們漁業與人權這個行動計畫其實針對很多方面都已經在做努力。那國外包括NGO、初步也都認同臺灣的努力。那這個後續我們還是要...什麼時候可以提出這個名單呢?\n547312\t549674\t條文修正草案．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、\n","txt":"邱智偉委員發言。改良式的列具推廣多久?兩年了。\n改良式的劣距也有包括金屬的材質嗎?因為今天很多版本都是希望全面禁用金屬材質。那你們不建議這個修法的原因是說你們正在推廣改良式的劣距。這個改良式的劣距會不會有強大的殺傷力?是怎麼樣的劣距?能不能看一下?\n條例部分條文修正草案案。\n對所以金屬材質其實不是不是問題是他的現境現行的那個市售的現境過期為什麼還提那麼多的修法都是全面禁止金屬這是全面禁止是售假售假全面禁止\n現在的那個高分子的技術,它也可以做成是塑膠線,那個殺傷力會更強,它不是金屬。你說的山豬釣那個部分嗎?對,我想跟委員說明,今天最主要就是售甲的部分我是完全禁止,但是針對山豬釣的部分,我們在這次的修法並沒有去提,但是在19條裡面,它有一個我們還可以依照主管機關公告的這個列據,\n那現在刪除掉還有它必須要存在的一些原因所以我們現在積極的在推動改良式的這些列據你應該跟所有提案委員做充分的說明啊對剛才有說就是我們會推這個所謂的然後在一年之內盡可能的因為這樣解釋得很清楚我了解接著這個遠洋遠洋漁業的問題目前我國從事遠洋漁業的這個傳言人數大概有多少我國級的大概有多少人數我國級的\n五國籍的大概在兩千人左右。」遠洋漁業有高風險包括機械故障、船員傷亡或傷病甚至船員失蹤你們在2017年就成立漁業監控中心針對各項的狀況你們都有掌握、都有通報五年770件\n一年大概154件,當然主要是集中在機械故障、傷病、冤死亡。所以你們有沒有什麼方法可以讓機械故障的這個案件數能夠下降,能夠確保漁船在作業或者在遠洋的過程中能夠符合四航標準,有沒有更積極的作為?\n條文修正草案案案件及其安全等條文修正草案案件及其安全等條文修正草案案件及其安全等條文修正草案\n這部分已經經過協調了那大概相關部會也都支持我們會針對船上常用的這個部分讓他可以攜帶足夠的藥物所以你要去宣導有共識之外就去宣導讓這些遠洋漁業的這個從業的這個船員能夠了解他們的這個權益另外失蹤案平均有9點事件那這個算是高喔漁業署有沒有加強精進的作為\n對因為失蹤案最主要發生的原因就是意外落海那現在我們有推救生衣的部分就是遠洋漁船大概總共會補助兩萬件等於是船上幾乎每個人在甲板上工作規定就是要穿救生衣那落海之後就是比較容易收救另外給他定位指示器這個會補助一萬具那這個就比較容易收救這降低這個失蹤數這個大概是確保他們的安全另外韓國有個經驗就是說\n二）二）二二KBRAND韓流行銷作業結合他們觀光、結合他們相關的部門,特別是把農產品、農漁產品透過平台、透過跨部會的合作一起來行銷韓國主要的商品。\n當然農業部也有加強農產品國際行銷方案,但是我是覺得只局限於農產品,也應該更大的思維、更大的視野結合其他不像說體育、文化或者藝術\n把這個整體做一個臺灣整體的行銷啊,這個部分可以參考韓國K不認經驗。」這個部長。我很謝謝委員的建議齁,就是過往其實像在東京市別館大的展覽我們都是以農產品為主,但是我們在建築或是其他的部分的活動的時候是有跟其他的文化產業連接在一起。那剛才委員提到就是說應該更鏈接其他的部會一起去行銷,那這個部分我想我們會積極的來努力。\n對,包括體育啦、文化啦、藝術啦。對,我跟委員說明,我們現在正在推,就是體育,就是奧運有沒有,我們現在飛機上面去弄一個農產品,臺灣雲南農產品的這些東西,推到飛機上去,這個就是一個例子。這個最好是有個T-brand,那T-brand一定要包含這個石斑跟這個虱目魚。\n二）本院委員楊瓊瓔等21人擬具:「遠洋漁業條例部分條文修正草案．第十四條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一\n條文修正草案案 條文修正草案 條文修正草案\n第一部分就是說我們會去公告就是不能進口的這已經符合IUU的規範不能進口的然後進來的時候我們在邊境會做把關那邊境如果是像魚類是凍品的時候他會經過衛福部的非追不可的系統第一階段他會登錄\n條文修正草案案案件及其成本等條文修正草案案件及其成本等條文修正草案案件及其成本等條文修正草案案件及其成本\n以我們現在的觀察是不會有。國際上對IU有一個非常嚴謹的規範,包括什麼樣的漁船、什麼樣的漁貨。國際上打擊IU是不遺餘力,所以我們包括對出口、對進口的部分都有相關法規來做規範,所以這個部分我們是把進口這個部分把它補足。\n條文修正草案案件事項,並且避免以後發生這樣的事,但是我們裁法不是我們的目的,而是不要發生這件事,所以我們有相關的措施來努力。另外這個如果強迫勞動的狀況,就是說有這個對於這個所謂的強迫勞動,我們這個一度被列為強迫勞動的名單,跟中國甚至加拿大跟泰國印尼,\n這個所謂的血汗海鮮會不會未來也會變為IUU的一個樣態之一?各位委員報告目前美國已經把強迫勞動列為是IUU的樣態之一那我覺得把台灣認為是強迫勞動的這個對我們的漁業是不公平的\n不能因為少數個案而且未經證實的就把臺灣的漁業認為是血岸海鮮。有沒有參觀單位來反映?有。那目前我們漁業與人權這個行動計畫其實針對很多方面都已經在做努力。那國外包括NGO、初步也都認同臺灣的努力。那這個後續我們還是要...什麼時候可以提出這個名單呢?\n條文修正草案．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、審查．一、\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.103 --> 00:12.269\n邱智偉委員發言。改良式的列具推廣多久?兩年了。\n\n00:29.235 --> 00:54.505\n改良式的劣距也有包括金屬的材質嗎?因為今天很多版本都是希望全面禁用金屬材質。那你們不建議這個修法的原因是說你們正在推廣改良式的劣距。這個改良式的劣距會不會有強大的殺傷力?是怎麼樣的劣距?能不能看一下?\n\n00:55.748 --> 00:56.689\n條例部分條文修正草案案。\n\n01:15.370 --> 01:29.530\n對所以金屬材質其實不是不是問題是他的現境現行的那個市售的現境過期為什麼還提那麼多的修法都是全面禁止金屬這是全面禁止是售假售假全面禁止\n\n01:30.507 --> 01:53.617\n現在的那個高分子的技術,它也可以做成是塑膠線,那個殺傷力會更強,它不是金屬。你說的山豬釣那個部分嗎?對,我想跟委員說明,今天最主要就是售甲的部分我是完全禁止,但是針對山豬釣的部分,我們在這次的修法並沒有去提,但是在19條裡面,它有一個我們還可以依照主管機關公告的這個列據,\n\n01:54.938 --> 02:20.964\n那現在刪除掉還有它必須要存在的一些原因所以我們現在積極的在推動改良式的這些列據你應該跟所有提案委員做充分的說明啊對剛才有說就是我們會推這個所謂的然後在一年之內盡可能的因為這樣解釋得很清楚我了解接著這個遠洋遠洋漁業的問題目前我國從事遠洋漁業的這個傳言人數大概有多少我國級的大概有多少人數我國級的\n\n02:22.861 --> 02:28.706\n五國籍的大概在兩千人左右。」遠洋漁業有高風險包括機械故障、船員傷亡或傷病甚至船員失蹤你們在2017年就成立漁業監控中心針對各項的狀況你們都有掌握、都有通報五年770件\n\n02:49.082 --> 03:11.172\n一年大概154件,當然主要是集中在機械故障、傷病、冤死亡。所以你們有沒有什麼方法可以讓機械故障的這個案件數能夠下降,能夠確保漁船在作業或者在遠洋的過程中能夠符合四航標準,有沒有更積極的作為?\n\n03:12.247 --> 03:17.511\n條文修正草案案案件及其安全等條文修正草案案件及其安全等條文修正草案案件及其安全等條文修正草案\n\n03:39.665 --> 04:04.998\n這部分已經經過協調了那大概相關部會也都支持我們會針對船上常用的這個部分讓他可以攜帶足夠的藥物所以你要去宣導有共識之外就去宣導讓這些遠洋漁業的這個從業的這個船員能夠了解他們的這個權益另外失蹤案平均有9點事件那這個算是高喔漁業署有沒有加強精進的作為\n\n04:06.038 --> 04:32.409\n對因為失蹤案最主要發生的原因就是意外落海那現在我們有推救生衣的部分就是遠洋漁船大概總共會補助兩萬件等於是船上幾乎每個人在甲板上工作規定就是要穿救生衣那落海之後就是比較容易收救另外給他定位指示器這個會補助一萬具那這個就比較容易收救這降低這個失蹤數這個大概是確保他們的安全另外韓國有個經驗就是說\n\n04:34.910 --> 04:55.087\n二）二）二二KBRAND韓流行銷作業結合他們觀光、結合他們相關的部門,特別是把農產品、農漁產品透過平台、透過跨部會的合作一起來行銷韓國主要的商品。\n\n04:57.310 --> 05:12.869\n當然農業部也有加強農產品國際行銷方案,但是我是覺得只局限於農產品,也應該更大的思維、更大的視野結合其他不像說體育、文化或者藝術\n\n05:14.400 --> 05:40.635\n把這個整體做一個臺灣整體的行銷啊,這個部分可以參考韓國K不認經驗。」這個部長。我很謝謝委員的建議齁,就是過往其實像在東京市別館大的展覽我們都是以農產品為主,但是我們在建築或是其他的部分的活動的時候是有跟其他的文化產業連接在一起。那剛才委員提到就是說應該更鏈接其他的部會一起去行銷,那這個部分我想我們會積極的來努力。\n\n05:41.535 --> 06:04.616\n對,包括體育啦、文化啦、藝術啦。對,我跟委員說明,我們現在正在推,就是體育,就是奧運有沒有,我們現在飛機上面去弄一個農產品,臺灣雲南農產品的這些東西,推到飛機上去,這個就是一個例子。這個最好是有個T-brand,那T-brand一定要包含這個石斑跟這個虱目魚。\n\n06:06.567 --> 06:28.901\n二）本院委員楊瓊瓔等21人擬具:「遠洋漁業條例部分條文修正草案．第十四條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一\n\n06:31.314 --> 06:32.916\n條文修正草案案條文修正草案條文修正草案\n\n06:50.428 --> 07:06.062\n第一部分就是說我們會去公告就是不能進口的這已經符合IUU的規範不能進口的然後進來的時候我們在邊境會做把關那邊境如果是像魚類是凍品的時候他會經過衛福部的非追不可的系統第一階段他會登錄\n\n07:07.003 --> 07:12.406\n條文修正草案案案件及其成本等條文修正草案案件及其成本等條文修正草案案件及其成本等條文修正草案案件及其成本\n\n07:34.775 --> 07:43.537\n以我們現在的觀察是不會有。國際上對IU有一個非常嚴謹的規範,包括什麼樣的漁船、什麼樣的漁貨。國際上打擊IU是不遺餘力,所以我們包括對出口、對進口的部分都有相關法規來做規範,所以這個部分我們是把進口這個部分把它補足。\n\n08:04.483 --> 08:28.910\n條文修正草案案件事項,並且避免以後發生這樣的事,但是我們裁法不是我們的目的,而是不要發生這件事,所以我們有相關的措施來努力。另外這個如果強迫勞動的狀況,就是說有這個對於這個所謂的強迫勞動,我們這個一度被列為強迫勞動的名單,跟中國甚至加拿大跟泰國印尼,\n\n08:30.956 --> 08:49.228\n這個所謂的血汗海鮮會不會未來也會變為IUU的一個樣態之一?各位委員報告目前美國已經把強迫勞動列為是IUU的樣態之一那我覺得把台灣認為是強迫勞動的這個對我們的漁業是不公平的\n\n08:49.488 --> 09:06.446\n不能因為少數個案而且未經證實的就把臺灣的漁業認為是血岸海鮮。有沒有參觀單位來反映?有。那目前我們漁業與人權這個行動計畫其實針對很多方面都已經在做努力。那國外包括NGO、初步也都認同臺灣的努力。那這個後續我們還是要...什麼時候可以提出這個名單呢?\n\n09:07.312 --> 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