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00:00:39,457\n主委好,整個早上大家都非常關心今天派你代打在這裡那本席是覺得,第一個你對這個主委真的是不太關心那包括他去這個行政院院會今天不能來那在行政院院會是一個非常重要的會議那其實據今天我們委員會去了解行政院院會並沒有國科會相關的業務那或者如果現在是有的那就顯然相當重要為什麼你會不知道我們主委去行政院院會開的內容是什麼\n\n3\n00:00:40,317 --> 00:01:05,311\n我知道他去行政議員會但是我這幾天非常認真準備要到這個教委會來所以也許右手出師本市委你這個答案勉強算給你得分代表你都非常認真但是你真的還是要關心一下主委因為我們主委在長國科會這段時間我覺得他表現得不錯那每次來教委會這個答詢的時候其實我想教委會的委員對他也是蠻肯定的\n\n4\n00:01:05,691 --> 00:01:06,632\n你覺得本席這樣說你能不能接受?你會不會改進啊?\n\n5\n00:01:34,495 --> 00:01:51,114\n關心她一下好不好那她的心情如何我們非常的這個關心她心情現在目前我的理解還是非常積極在做她現在應該要做的事情對那我覺得為什麼要關心她那一方面當然是她過去的表現很好我們也希望那她將來有一個好的出路\n\n6\n00:01:51,755 --> 00:02:19,133\n但不論如何我想現在如果國科會目前是處於一種主觀動盪的狀態但我們底下的團隊我們還是要照表超客該做的事情還是要把它做完來那所以我想在這一波的人事當中有人說他應該是不會留任當然也有人說他希望留任下來但是我們現在看起來好像報導上指出有個成大的副校長叫做郭耀煌他出任的機會是最大的您跟他熟識嗎?你覺得他適任嗎?\n\n7\n00:02:20,854 --> 00:02:46,458\n這件事在學界上都認識那是不是這個的確不是我現在可以回答的如果他來帶領整個團隊上下可以接受嗎我想在學界裡面對於科技界裡面我們一般來講都有很好的溝通有時候政策推動絕對不是單一的人我想主委花很多時間去各界的溝通所以我想這個政策本身的延續性應該是有一定的很好政策是延續性的\n\n8\n00:02:46,738 --> 00:03:08,897\n我覺得這點很棒但是副主委我想您應該知道其實國科會的業務是相當的繁重的那不管是現在有這個金創法案正在進行或者AI基本法還有一個AI的運用太空產業發展等等非常的多所以我們也希望這個主觀在動盪我們的心要穩住然後該做的工作要把它做好來那接下來跟您討論我想太空產業發展的重要性\n\n9\n00:03:13,060 --> 00:03:38,753\n吳政宗主委曾經說過國家發射場要在今年年底來選定那大概不外乎都是說會落腳在屏東或者是台東那由於這個使用年限一下去定了以後還非常的長不管是地理物理或是環境影響都要做全面的考量那也要相當未來的一個擴充性所以呢才了這麼久現在到底會在屏東還是台東那與地方溝通的情形這兩個地方有沒有一個進展\n\n10\n00:03:40,657 --> 00:04:03,274\n目前事實上在2月6日我們召開第一次審查會了然後對條件評估就如同剛剛委員講你還有很多複雜的比如說這個在地本身也要說一些溝通所以現在還沒有確定我們現在還沒有最後確定但是事實上有一些就跟主委上次講的那個空間跟物理的限制那意思是說跟屏東跟台東都有並行的進行溝通是這樣嗎對\n\n11\n00:04:05,865 --> 00:04:18,599\n對,那第一階段來講的話就是我們的這個發射場的條件在2月6號已經通過但是就是說現在還需要跟地方的溝通在物理條件上面以台灣的東南這個可能性最高\n\n12\n00:04:20,441 --> 00:04:25,783\n副主委,這個溝通其實也是溝通很久了啦那因為今天時間也有限我希望本席會議之後您能來說明一下為什麼溝通這麼久到底遇到了什麼困難啊你剛剛所說的這些要點我們都知道不會叫你貿然決定啊但你溝通也很久了所以會後我想來進行一個說明這樣好不好那再來喔\n\n13\n00:04:42,209 --> 00:04:45,532\n國科會為了發展低軌通訊衛星編列高達69.4億自行研發兩顆低軌通訊衛星之前太空中心吳宗信主任說預計2026發射第一顆B5G低軌通訊衛星請問副主委現在的進度是不是如期發射?\n\n14\n00:05:06,372 --> 00:05:28,359\n目前應該是在這個進度內而且我想補充說明一下它其實不只是第一個衛星的發射還有包含地面通訊設備這個很重要發射去了以後你要整個系統整個完整才能夠如期這樣很好另外據本席了解現在我們研發兩顆B5G的衛星本體的部分我們太空中心現在沒有問題但是呢\n\n15\n00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:30,640\n這個我們看是不是正確\n\n16\n00:05:55,851 --> 00:06:06,982\n本期的問題是公研院進行製作你們唯有他製作的通訊籌載現在是進行得相當不順利所以沒有辦法完成所以我們現在要開始跟國外廠商來採購這個消息是對的嗎是\n\n17\n00:06:09,324 --> 00:06:13,548\n這個低軌衛星的這個通訊投載是國內第一次做那公園院呃承接這個這方面的研發在經驗上的確是比較有不夠的地方所以在時程上面稍微有點延誤\n\n18\n00:06:35,816 --> 00:06:38,637\n現在我們要邊境費來採購那採購的進度還有預算那是多少錢然後進度另外那你現在因為要兩個衛星的籌載那你是要先買一個然後另外一個繼續等工研院還是怎麼做\n\n19\n00:06:56,781 --> 00:07:14,421\n第一顆衛星我們會先用外購的方式外購籌載的方式來進行目前還在跟廠商研議所以相關的價格跟這個時程還要再跟廠商做研議那第二個部分是供應院的部分會持續再進行只是他這部分會延後到比較後面再去發射\n\n20\n00:07:15,373 --> 00:07:35,227\n我聽起來是沒有掌握性啦就是說當初信心滿滿給工研院做當然我們知道很多的計畫它是會有一些變化的那但是呢現在您在這裡碰到這樣的狀況工研院自己研發不出來那我們甚至於現在無法掌握那後續他要怎麼去做那到底有沒有能力做這一點呢我想會後\n\n21\n00:07:36,348 --> 00:08:01,167\n副主委還是要來跟本席跟我們教文委員會報告清楚而不是說他現在已經做不出來了我們再給他時間繼續下去可以還是不可以備案是什麼那這個部分的話是不是會後的時候再來跟我們做詳細資料的提供跟說明可以嗎是是沒有問題那另外我想再來一個我們要建立完整的太空產業鏈人才的培育是最重要的副主委同意嗎是沒有錯\n\n22\n00:08:02,487 --> 00:08:21,392\n所以國科會跟我們各部會的合作在112年已經招收太空相關研究所60名的研究班的學生所以今年國科會編列了1684萬6千元的預算要來進行太空相關人才的培訓主委請問一下這個預算你現在計畫上是預計要培養培訓多少太空產業的人才\n\n23\n00:08:29,714 --> 00:08:44,899\n目前這個是從學校的太空基礎人才那其他還有其實經濟部的比較是直接產業的這個連結還有事實上是教育部的基礎人才都有所以不是只有教育部在這個我非常清楚我現在針對的是國科會1684萬的預算所以你不要講別的地方我相信其他的地方還是有100多位117位左右\n\n24\n00:08:52,122 --> 00:08:52,643\n目前是117位\n\n25\n00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:17,564\n目前你整個計畫我們給你的這個太空基礎人才培育的預算數你這邊寫的1684萬然後要培育1830人本期看到這個數字的時候其實非常讚許大大的讚許我覺得各部會要來向您學習一下是怎麼做的就一個人9000多塊錢我們就可以培養我們太空基礎的人才了可不可以說明一下因為這個可以各部會要跟你取經一下\n\n26\n00:09:39,494 --> 00:09:59,546\n是,因為那個委員這裡包含我剛剛講的是114科學的基礎科學學分的部分那還有比如說它產業的部分也有這些太空產業專班這裡面也有等等加起來還包括其他的這個科普的講座跟其他的這個應用、衍星應用的部分這整整來講加起來那也許我們更應該把那個細節的部分要提供給\n\n27\n00:10:00,066 --> 00:10:23,960\n副主委,因為這個數字很簡單啦我相信亮眼的委員來看都知道說這真的是一個神機啊,非常厲害喔那但是我要講的是說我們既然有心要培養太空基礎人才要認真做,不是呢有一點點預算,然後做一個計畫這樣子是我跟你講做不成的尤其我們培育人才需要時間,需要經費喔這樣子是,我認為啦是非常不好的所以我們希望,我們\n\n28\n00:10:24,560 --> 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跟這個時程還要再跟廠商做研議那第二個部分是供應院的部分會持續再進行只是他這部分會延後到比較後面再去發射\n我聽起來是沒有掌握性啦就是說當初信心滿滿給工研院做當然我們知道很多的計畫它是會有一些變化的那但是呢現在您在這裡碰到這樣的狀況工研院自己研發不出來那我們甚至於現在無法掌握那後續他要怎麼去做那到底有沒有能力做這一點呢我想會後\n副主委還是要來跟本席跟我們教文委員會報告清楚而不是說他現在已經做不出來了我們再給他時間繼續下去可以還是不可以備案是什麼那這個部分的話是不是會後的時候再來跟我們做詳細資料的提供跟說明可以嗎是是沒有問題那另外我想再來一個我們要建立完整的太空產業鏈人才的培育是最重要的副主委同意嗎是沒有錯\n所以國科會跟我們各部會的合作在112年已經招收太空相關研究所60名的研究班的學生所以今年國科會編列了1684萬6千元的預算要來進行太空相關人才的培訓主委請問一下這個預算你現在計畫上是預計要培養培訓多少太空產業的人才\n目前這個是從學校的太空基礎人才那其他還有其實經濟部的比較是直接產業的這個連結還有事實上是教育部的基礎人才都有所以不是只有教育部在這個我非常清楚我現在針對的是國科會1684萬的預算所以你不要講別的地方我相信其他的地方還是有100多位117位左右\n目前是117位\n目前你整個計畫我們給你的這個太空基礎人才培育的預算數你這邊寫的1684萬然後要培育1830人本期看到這個數字的時候其實非常讚許大大的讚許我覺得各部會要來向您學習一下是怎麼做的就一個人9000多塊錢我們就可以培養我們太空基礎的人才了可不可以說明一下因為這個可以各部會要跟你取經一下\n是,因為那個委員這裡包含我剛剛講的是114科學的基礎科學學分的部分那還有比如說它產業的部分也有這些太空產業專班這裡面也有等等加起來還包括其他的這個科普的講座跟其他的這個應用、衍星應用的部分這整整來講加起來那也許我們更應該把那個細節的部分要提供給\n副主委,因為這個數字很簡單啦我相信亮眼的委員來看都知道說這真的是一個神機啊,非常厲害喔那但是我要講的是說我們既然有心要培養太空基礎人才要認真做,不是呢有一點點預算,然後做一個計畫這樣子是我跟你講做不成的尤其我們培育人才需要時間,需要經費喔這樣子是,我認為啦是非常不好的所以我們希望,我們\n謝謝萬美玲\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.523 --> 00:05.024\n林副主委\n\n00:12.812 --> 00:39.457\n主委好,整個早上大家都非常關心今天派你代打在這裡那本席是覺得,第一個你對這個主委真的是不太關心那包括他去這個行政院院會今天不能來那在行政院院會是一個非常重要的會議那其實據今天我們委員會去了解行政院院會並沒有國科會相關的業務那或者如果現在是有的那就顯然相當重要為什麼你會不知道我們主委去行政院院會開的內容是什麼\n\n00:40.317 --> 01:05.311\n我知道他去行政議員會但是我這幾天非常認真準備要到這個教委會來所以也許右手出師本市委你這個答案勉強算給你得分代表你都非常認真但是你真的還是要關心一下主委因為我們主委在長國科會這段時間我覺得他表現得不錯那每次來教委會這個答詢的時候其實我想教委會的委員對他也是蠻肯定的\n\n01:05.691 --> 01:06.632\n你覺得本席這樣說你能不能接受?你會不會改進啊?\n\n01:34.495 --> 01:51.114\n關心她一下好不好那她的心情如何我們非常的這個關心她心情現在目前我的理解還是非常積極在做她現在應該要做的事情對那我覺得為什麼要關心她那一方面當然是她過去的表現很好我們也希望那她將來有一個好的出路\n\n01:51.755 --> 02:19.133\n但不論如何我想現在如果國科會目前是處於一種主觀動盪的狀態但我們底下的團隊我們還是要照表超客該做的事情還是要把它做完來那所以我想在這一波的人事當中有人說他應該是不會留任當然也有人說他希望留任下來但是我們現在看起來好像報導上指出有個成大的副校長叫做郭耀煌他出任的機會是最大的您跟他熟識嗎?你覺得他適任嗎?\n\n02:20.854 --> 02:46.458\n這件事在學界上都認識那是不是這個的確不是我現在可以回答的如果他來帶領整個團隊上下可以接受嗎我想在學界裡面對於科技界裡面我們一般來講都有很好的溝通有時候政策推動絕對不是單一的人我想主委花很多時間去各界的溝通所以我想這個政策本身的延續性應該是有一定的很好政策是延續性的\n\n02:46.738 --> 03:08.897\n我覺得這點很棒但是副主委我想您應該知道其實國科會的業務是相當的繁重的那不管是現在有這個金創法案正在進行或者AI基本法還有一個AI的運用太空產業發展等等非常的多所以我們也希望這個主觀在動盪我們的心要穩住然後該做的工作要把它做好來那接下來跟您討論我想太空產業發展的重要性\n\n03:13.060 --> 03:38.753\n吳政宗主委曾經說過國家發射場要在今年年底來選定那大概不外乎都是說會落腳在屏東或者是台東那由於這個使用年限一下去定了以後還非常的長不管是地理物理或是環境影響都要做全面的考量那也要相當未來的一個擴充性所以呢才了這麼久現在到底會在屏東還是台東那與地方溝通的情形這兩個地方有沒有一個進展\n\n03:40.657 --> 04:03.274\n目前事實上在2月6日我們召開第一次審查會了然後對條件評估就如同剛剛委員講你還有很多複雜的比如說這個在地本身也要說一些溝通所以現在還沒有確定我們現在還沒有最後確定但是事實上有一些就跟主委上次講的那個空間跟物理的限制那意思是說跟屏東跟台東都有並行的進行溝通是這樣嗎對\n\n04:05.865 --> 04:18.599\n對,那第一階段來講的話就是我們的這個發射場的條件在2月6號已經通過但是就是說現在還需要跟地方的溝通在物理條件上面以台灣的東南這個可能性最高\n\n04:20.441 --> 04:25.783\n副主委,這個溝通其實也是溝通很久了啦那因為今天時間也有限我希望本席會議之後您能來說明一下為什麼溝通這麼久到底遇到了什麼困難啊你剛剛所說的這些要點我們都知道不會叫你貿然決定啊但你溝通也很久了所以會後我想來進行一個說明這樣好不好那再來喔\n\n04:42.209 --> 04:45.532\n國科會為了發展低軌通訊衛星編列高達69.4億自行研發兩顆低軌通訊衛星之前太空中心吳宗信主任說預計2026發射第一顆B5G低軌通訊衛星請問副主委現在的進度是不是如期發射?\n\n05:06.372 --> 05:28.359\n目前應該是在這個進度內而且我想補充說明一下它其實不只是第一個衛星的發射還有包含地面通訊設備這個很重要發射去了以後你要整個系統整個完整才能夠如期這樣很好另外據本席了解現在我們研發兩顆B5G的衛星本體的部分我們太空中心現在沒有問題但是呢\n\n05:30.120 --> 05:30.640\n這個我們看是不是正確\n\n05:55.851 --> 06:06.982\n本期的問題是公研院進行製作你們唯有他製作的通訊籌載現在是進行得相當不順利所以沒有辦法完成所以我們現在要開始跟國外廠商來採購這個消息是對的嗎是\n\n06:09.324 --> 06:13.548\n這個低軌衛星的這個通訊投載是國內第一次做那公園院呃承接這個這方面的研發在經驗上的確是比較有不夠的地方所以在時程上面稍微有點延誤\n\n06:35.816 --> 06:38.637\n現在我們要邊境費來採購那採購的進度還有預算那是多少錢然後進度另外那你現在因為要兩個衛星的籌載那你是要先買一個然後另外一個繼續等工研院還是怎麼做\n\n06:56.781 --> 07:14.421\n第一顆衛星我們會先用外購的方式外購籌載的方式來進行目前還在跟廠商研議所以相關的價格跟這個時程還要再跟廠商做研議那第二個部分是供應院的部分會持續再進行只是他這部分會延後到比較後面再去發射\n\n07:15.373 --> 07:35.227\n我聽起來是沒有掌握性啦就是說當初信心滿滿給工研院做當然我們知道很多的計畫它是會有一些變化的那但是呢現在您在這裡碰到這樣的狀況工研院自己研發不出來那我們甚至於現在無法掌握那後續他要怎麼去做那到底有沒有能力做這一點呢我想會後\n\n07:36.348 --> 08:01.167\n副主委還是要來跟本席跟我們教文委員會報告清楚而不是說他現在已經做不出來了我們再給他時間繼續下去可以還是不可以備案是什麼那這個部分的話是不是會後的時候再來跟我們做詳細資料的提供跟說明可以嗎是是沒有問題那另外我想再來一個我們要建立完整的太空產業鏈人才的培育是最重要的副主委同意嗎是沒有錯\n\n08:02.487 --> 08:21.392\n所以國科會跟我們各部會的合作在112年已經招收太空相關研究所60名的研究班的學生所以今年國科會編列了1684萬6千元的預算要來進行太空相關人才的培訓主委請問一下這個預算你現在計畫上是預計要培養培訓多少太空產業的人才\n\n08:29.714 --> 08:44.899\n目前這個是從學校的太空基礎人才那其他還有其實經濟部的比較是直接產業的這個連結還有事實上是教育部的基礎人才都有所以不是只有教育部在這個我非常清楚我現在針對的是國科會1684萬的預算所以你不要講別的地方我相信其他的地方還是有100多位117位左右\n\n08:52.122 --> 08:52.643\n目前是117位\n\n09:10.280 --> 09:17.564\n目前你整個計畫我們給你的這個太空基礎人才培育的預算數你這邊寫的1684萬然後要培育1830人本期看到這個數字的時候其實非常讚許大大的讚許我覺得各部會要來向您學習一下是怎麼做的就一個人9000多塊錢我們就可以培養我們太空基礎的人才了可不可以說明一下因為這個可以各部會要跟你取經一下\n\n09:39.494 --> 09:59.546\n是,因為那個委員這裡包含我剛剛講的是114科學的基礎科學學分的部分那還有比如說它產業的部分也有這些太空產業專班這裡面也有等等加起來還包括其他的這個科普的講座跟其他的這個應用、衍星應用的部分這整整來講加起來那也許我們更應該把那個細節的部分要提供給\n\n10:00.066 --> 10:23.960\n副主委,因為這個數字很簡單啦我相信亮眼的委員來看都知道說這真的是一個神機啊,非常厲害喔那但是我要講的是說我們既然有心要培養太空基礎人才要認真做,不是呢有一點點預算,然後做一個計畫這樣子是我跟你講做不成的尤其我們培育人才需要時間,需要經費喔這樣子是,我認為啦是非常不好的所以我們希望,我們\n\n10:24.560 --> 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