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00:03:17,644\n所以針對這幾個部分我想問一個問題因為這次很多人抱怨說警報沒有收到然後後來我們的氣象署是告訴大家說因為預期就是沒有達到標準是低估了\n\n10\n00:03:18,285 --> 00:03:18,485\n請主任說明\n\n11\n00:03:46,269 --> 00:04:04,880\n委員好我想PWS它是由各個主責機關剛剛您提到的氣象署它依照我們在2021年5月1號的規定也就是規模5正度4它會發布當然有很多地方很可能很多民眾有很多抱怨我怎麼會沒有收到呢為什麼會低估\n\n12\n00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:29,654\n就是說他在預估的模式裡頭很可能某些地方他需要精進的地方所以這部分是氣象署嗎就是說你們沒有辦法再協助他們更精進這個預測嗎當然大家有一起討論我們會提供一些意見給他們那當然我想這個是一個跨部會但是我們認為國科會這邊下面應該是要有我們全國最優秀的相關的地震預測\n\n13\n00:04:31,235 --> 00:04:58,342\n如果它是一個科技估算的問題的話我想國科會可以更積極的跟他們合作那也希望副主委關心這個問題那加強我們相關的研究資源跟能量因為我們這個警報系統是好的可是預測低估就非常的可惜好不好那這是第一件事我想你們既然是說有在協助各部會然後在做預測的工作尤其是災害防治中心就是做這個所以這應該要強化\n\n14\n00:05:00,803 --> 00:05:01,043\n2.假消息\n\n15\n00:05:20,146 --> 00:05:34,739\n我去訂閱了臺北跟新北的相關訊息包含停班停課我想先問也許副主委不知道主任可以回應那當天像新北是那個假訊息的那如果訂閱你們新北的停班停課會收到嗎?\n\n16\n00:05:36,440 --> 00:06:02,011\n會收到什麼結果?我想如果他主責單位也就是新北市政府他沒有發布這個訊息我們不會發布所以你們並沒有發布我們並沒有發布那我覺得這樣非常好至少如果訂閱你們的就不會誤解因為我們辦公室有助理差點路上要回家了因為在路上看到說新北停班停課那的確有新北來上班那我想的是說這邊是不是可以考慮再加一個假訊息\n\n17\n00:06:03,951 --> 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