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00:00:08,269\n條文修正草案案。\n\n2\n00:00:18,131 --> 00:00:40,750\n部長好,上次其實見過部長我們已經見過兩次了對不對,所以其實部長對於所謂的這個動保法的修法跟這個野保法的部分其實也相當的就是我們有正面的一個回應啦齁。那我想這個動保法跟野保法現在目前為止我們都已經看到其實在這個所謂的售甲的部分是全面禁止的。\n\n3\n00:00:41,775 --> 00:00:51,496\n是嗎?是。好。那另外呢其實在野保法的21跟21之一條其實我們開了一個例外。對吧?\n\n4\n00:00:53,672 --> 00:01:11,352\n條文修正草案．一、二、三十六條之一及第十六條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一\n\n5\n00:01:12,022 --> 00:01:30,410\n條文修正草案．立法院第十四條之一及第十六條之一及第十七條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及\n\n6\n00:01:41,135 --> 00:01:47,646\n條文修正草案案案件,以及其他條文修正草案案件,以及其他條文修正草案案件,以及其他條文修正草案案件,以及其他條文修正草案案件,以及其他條文修正草案案件,以及其他條文修正草案案件,以及其他條文修正草案\n\n7\n00:01:49,586 --> 00:02:13,844\n我跟委員說明就是在這次修法裏面授甲本身我們是全面禁止那後續的這些平台上的稽查我們會更強烈去處理那委員這邊所提到的山豬釣的部分因為山豬釣目前在靠近山區的這些農業地區還有原住民在狩獵的時候他可能還是必須使用那同一個時間點這個是他們傳統式的山豬釣但是相對的就是山豬釣對於動物的殺傷力蠻高的\n\n8\n00:02:15,945 --> 00:02:31,133\n所以我們一直積極的推動改良式的這些列據那這樣的一個列據本身如果說能夠更大的推廣的時候那相對的就能夠取掉刪除掉那剛才我們也承諾就是說我們在改良式的這個列據裡面去積極的推廣\n\n9\n00:02:33,194 --> 00:02:52,453\n然後在一段時間因為在第十九條裡面有授權中央主管機關可以公告另外一種列具是被禁止的所以我們期待說在一年的時間把這個改良式的列具一年的時間然後我們就會把這個刪除掉做一個禁止我們改良式的列具是從109年開始推行的嗎?對兩年了已經兩年了嗎?不只吧?\n\n10\n00:02:58,565 --> 00:03:07,432\n對,兩年多前,那我們中間有再改良,現在是到2.0版,因為這個必須要給農民適用有效,大家才會...那目前適用率如何?\n\n11\n00:03:08,342 --> 00:03:33,675\n我們大概將近3700多具那最主要是山豬釣同樣是鋼索但是鋼索的陷阱跟它的那個口徑的大小會影響到它的動物的這個被捕獲以後的那個受傷程度所以我們針對改良式的列具裡面就針對它的陷阱變粗應該這麼講目前有效的汰換率如何\n\n12\n00:03:34,275 --> 00:04:02,671\n就是已經有試用過這麼多了嘛因為我們已經推兩年了嘛但是問題是目前我們的汰換率如何如果還是很消極的做法其實傳統的山豬釣它依舊存在我跟委員說明就是用過的人都會覺得它好但是相對的就是說我們的宣導要更積極因為有些原民部落我們要更深入原民部落裡面讓那些部落的長者能夠做有效的那比較年輕的大概一看到這個特別是在山區的靠近山區的農民\n\n13\n00:04:03,171 --> 00:04:24,148\n他們願意試嗎?而且是免費的嘛。我們是免費的汰換喔。比較年輕的。所以說年輕的族群,特別是農民,三巡農民,他們汰換率就比較高。但是在原住民,特別在深山的一些部落的長者,他們可能訊息不是那麼了解。所以我們這部分我們要更積極的去處理。\n\n14\n00:04:25,089 --> 00:04:48,990\n其實我今天就是兩個重點第一我們在市面當中依舊還是看到有所謂的山豬山豬的陷阱他們這些陷阱的販賣依舊還在存在那我們是不是一樣可以依照所謂的動保法十四第二條十四之二條其實未經主管機關許可其實任何人是不得製造販售以及陳列甚至輸出這些所謂的金屬的套具這個是第一個我們一定要積極\n\n15\n00:04:50,011 --> 00:04:52,214\n條文修正草案案案件及其他條文修正草案案件及其他條文修正草案案件及其他條文\n\n16\n00:05:05,029 --> 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那目前適用率如何?\n188342\t213675\t我們大概將近3700多具那最主要是山豬釣同樣是鋼索但是鋼索的陷阱跟它的那個口徑的大小會影響到它的動物的這個被捕獲以後的那個受傷程度所以我們針對改良式的列具裡面就針對它的陷阱變粗應該這麼講目前有效的汰換率如何\n214275\t242671\t就是已經有試用過這麼多了嘛因為我們已經推兩年了嘛但是問題是目前我們的汰換率如何如果還是很消極的做法其實傳統的山豬釣它依舊存在我跟委員說明就是用過的人都會覺得它好但是相對的就是說我們的宣導要更積極因為有些原民部落我們要更深入原民部落裡面讓那些部落的長者能夠做有效的那比較年輕的大概一看到這個特別是在山區的靠近山區的農民\n243171\t264148\t他們願意試嗎?而且是免費的嘛。我們是免費的汰換喔。比較年輕的。所以說年輕的族群,特別是農民,三巡農民,他們汰換率就比較高。但是在原住民,特別在深山的一些部落的長者,他們可能訊息不是那麼了解。所以我們這部分我們要更積極的去處理。\n265089\t288990\t其實我今天就是兩個重點第一我們在市面當中依舊還是看到有所謂的山豬山豬的陷阱他們這些陷阱的販賣依舊還在存在那我們是不是一樣可以依照所謂的動保法十四第二條十四之二條其實未經主管機關許可其實任何人是不得製造販售以及陳列甚至輸出這些所謂的金屬的套具這個是第一個我們一定要積極\n290011\t292214\t條文修正草案案案件及其他條文修正草案案件及其他條文修正草案案件及其他條文\n305029\t326740\t第十六條之一、第三十六條之一及第十七條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及\n","txt":"條文修正草案案。\n部長好,上次其實見過部長我們已經見過兩次了對不對,所以其實部長對於所謂的這個動保法的修法跟這個野保法的部分其實也相當的就是我們有正面的一個回應啦齁。那我想這個動保法跟野保法現在目前為止我們都已經看到其實在這個所謂的售甲的部分是全面禁止的。\n是嗎?是。好。那另外呢其實在野保法的21跟21之一條其實我們開了一個例外。對吧?\n條文修正草案．一、二、三十六條之一及第十六條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一\n條文修正草案．立法院第十四條之一及第十六條之一及第十七條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及\n條文修正草案案 案件,以及其他條文修正草案 案件,以及其他條文修正草案 案件,以及其他條文修正草案 案件,以及其他條文修正草案 案件,以及其他條文修正草案 案件,以及其他條文修正草案 案件,以及其他條文修正草案\n我跟委員說明就是在這次修法裏面授甲本身我們是全面禁止那後續的這些平台上的稽查我們會更強烈去處理那委員這邊所提到的山豬釣的部分因為山豬釣目前在靠近山區的這些農業地區還有原住民在狩獵的時候他可能還是必須使用那同一個時間點這個是他們傳統式的山豬釣但是相對的就是山豬釣對於動物的殺傷力蠻高的\n所以我們一直積極的推動改良式的這些列據那這樣的一個列據本身如果說能夠更大的推廣的時候那相對的就能夠取掉刪除掉那剛才我們也承諾就是說我們在改良式的這個列據裡面去積極的推廣\n然後在一段時間因為在第十九條裡面有授權中央主管機關可以公告另外一種列具是被禁止的所以我們期待說在一年的時間把這個改良式的列具一年的時間然後我們就會把這個刪除掉做一個禁止我們改良式的列具是從109年開始推行的嗎?對兩年了已經兩年了嗎?不只吧?\n對,兩年多前,那我們中間有再改良,現在是到2.0版,因為這個必須要給農民適用有效,大家才會... 那目前適用率如何?\n我們大概將近3700多具那最主要是山豬釣同樣是鋼索但是鋼索的陷阱跟它的那個口徑的大小會影響到它的動物的這個被捕獲以後的那個受傷程度所以我們針對改良式的列具裡面就針對它的陷阱變粗應該這麼講目前有效的汰換率如何\n就是已經有試用過這麼多了嘛因為我們已經推兩年了嘛但是問題是目前我們的汰換率如何如果還是很消極的做法其實傳統的山豬釣它依舊存在我跟委員說明就是用過的人都會覺得它好但是相對的就是說我們的宣導要更積極因為有些原民部落我們要更深入原民部落裡面讓那些部落的長者能夠做有效的那比較年輕的大概一看到這個特別是在山區的靠近山區的農民\n他們願意試嗎?而且是免費的嘛。我們是免費的汰換喔。比較年輕的。所以說年輕的族群,特別是農民,三巡農民,他們汰換率就比較高。但是在原住民,特別在深山的一些部落的長者,他們可能訊息不是那麼了解。所以我們這部分我們要更積極的去處理。\n其實我今天就是兩個重點第一我們在市面當中依舊還是看到有所謂的山豬山豬的陷阱他們這些陷阱的販賣依舊還在存在那我們是不是一樣可以依照所謂的動保法十四第二條十四之二條其實未經主管機關許可其實任何人是不得製造販售以及陳列甚至輸出這些所謂的金屬的套具這個是第一個我們一定要積極\n條文修正草案案案件及其他條文修正草案案件及其他條文修正草案案件及其他條文\n第十六條之一、第三十六條之一及第十七條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:07.022 --> 00:08.269\n條文修正草案案。\n\n00:18.131 --> 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