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00:02:06,164\n對,所以我就在定義上面其實有是有要再做修正的地方因為我們來回到上一頁上一頁你看他是指犬貓及其他人為飼養的脊椎動物所以剛剛那個犬貓並不是人為飼養的所以這個地方是不是要去做一些調整所以我的想法是這樣子就是說我們動保法裡面並沒有包含無脊椎動物可是我們現在有很多人是養一些無脊椎動物當寵物那難道就要用野保法來管嗎\n\n7\n00:02:07,225 --> 00:02:19,822\n條文修正草案．一、審查．一、三十四條之一及第十六條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及\n\n8\n00:02:22,245 --> 00:02:44,450\n我跟委員說明就是動保法其實我們也針對一些條例的修我們包括您剛才所提到的一些異議那我們也做了許多的座談會裡面但是他們有非常非常多的不同的意見我們現在正在中整那我們也希望說應該今年我們剛才也講應該今年是一定可以把它變到行政院去因為到行政院可能後續還有不同的利害關係人會去處理\n\n9\n00:02:46,170 --> 00:02:51,575\n所以我們在一年之內一定會送到行政院去。我們會調和就是說因為《野保法》這次修的是一些主要的是重要的。但是因為我們其實應該還有要更多通盤檢討的部分。我們希望說它兩個法,雖然說同樣是農業部來管,但是兩個法一定要有個調和。\n\n10\n00:03:05,649 --> 00:03:06,469\n條例部分條文修正草案案案件。\n\n11\n00:03:26,118 --> 00:03:52,270\n他們都會去要求在申請書上面要填寫這個動物識別的方式那也就會造成說當他這個動物溢失的時候他們可以去辨別他那可是我們現在是我們現在的並沒有做這樣子的一個識別的機制不管是對動物我們一般的飼養或是針對保育類的部分有保育類的上面有識別的機制你看上面是沒有任何的識別的方式欸\n\n12\n00:03:53,870 --> 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。\n他們都會去要求在申請書上面要填寫這個動物識別的方式那也就會造成說當他這個動物溢失的時候他們可以去辨別他那可是我們現在是我們現在的並沒有做這樣子的一個識別的機制不管是對動物我們一般的飼養或是針對保育類的部分有保育類的上面有識別的機制你看上面是沒有任何的識別的方式欸\n現在有一些野生動物他如果可以註記比如說用金幣等於說在我們的申請書上面沒有這個啦我們沒有這樣子的一個識別的方式在\n條文修正草案．一、審查．一、三十四條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及\n條例部分條文修正草案．第十四條之一、第三十七條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及\n條例部分條例部分條例部分條例部分\n條文修正草案案案件及其他條文修正草案案件及其他條文修正草案案件及其他條文修正草案案件及其他條文修正草案案件及其他條文修正草案案件及其他條文\n條文修正草案案案件及其其他條文修正草案案件及其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其其\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:09.855 --> 00:10.476\n條文修正草案案。\n\n00:22.486 --> 00:22.986\n條文修正草案．一、審查．一、審查\n\n00:41.536 --> 00:57.403\n不能只有處理野保法,我們同時是要一併的來考量我們的所謂的動保法。主要來看這個定義上面,我們的野生動物保育法第三條對於野生動物的定義是指說一般狀況之下應生存於棲息環境下的哺乳類等等等等。\n\n00:58.783 --> 01:20.767\n條文修正草案案的第三條指動物指犬貓及其他人為飼養或管理的脊椎動物。請問右邊這個遊蕩犬算是野保法管還是動保法管?動保法。動保法可是它是沒有人飼養的。在定義上它是沒有人飼養的吧?對,但是它是貓屬於貓狗,是犬貓脊椎動物的部分。\n\n01:24.728 --> 01:41.678\n對所以我再來就是說像在右邊的這一個這個胡萌他到底算是野保法還是動保法的寵物呢他如果他如果把這個我們當作寵物養他就是動保法對他如果自然在野外的他就是一般的野保法來處理\n\n01:42.868 --> 02:06.164\n對,所以我就在定義上面其實有是有要再做修正的地方因為我們來回到上一頁上一頁你看他是指犬貓及其他人為飼養的脊椎動物所以剛剛那個犬貓並不是人為飼養的所以這個地方是不是要去做一些調整所以我的想法是這樣子就是說我們動保法裡面並沒有包含無脊椎動物可是我們現在有很多人是養一些無脊椎動物當寵物那難道就要用野保法來管嗎\n\n02:07.225 --> 02:19.822\n條文修正草案．一、審查．一、三十四條之一及第十六條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及\n\n02:22.245 --> 02:44.450\n我跟委員說明就是動保法其實我們也針對一些條例的修我們包括您剛才所提到的一些異議那我們也做了許多的座談會裡面但是他們有非常非常多的不同的意見我們現在正在中整那我們也希望說應該今年我們剛才也講應該今年是一定可以把它變到行政院去因為到行政院可能後續還有不同的利害關係人會去處理\n\n02:46.170 --> 02:51.575\n所以我們在一年之內一定會送到行政院去。我們會調和就是說因為《野保法》這次修的是一些主要的是重要的。但是因為我們其實應該還有要更多通盤檢討的部分。我們希望說它兩個法,雖然說同樣是農業部來管,但是兩個法一定要有個調和。\n\n03:05.649 --> 03:06.469\n條例部分條文修正草案案案件。\n\n03:26.118 --> 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