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00:02:11,488\n這個案子仍然持續在推動我們目前積極跟當地居民溝通那跟市政府也有一定的常常密集的開會跟市政府現在運作、對接、討論還順利嗎?需不需要我們協助協調?應該不需要,因為已經開過三次工作會議順利就好,對不對?如果能夠順利地化解這些土地徵充的一些障礙,對不對?那台積電應該還是有機會回討議,對不對?\n\n8\n00:02:14,807 --> 00:02:20,693\n我們就提供好的環境然後看各個廠商都能來進駐副主委覺得有沒有機會\n\n9\n00:02:22,466 --> 00:02:49,737\n好的環境就有機會好的環境有機會對不對沒錯齁因為這個也不是我轟你們啦對不對這個你們在媒體受訪的時候應該也有很清楚嘛所以講說第一個因為抗爭一度所謂的放棄那其實只是誤解嘛對不對還是積極的在做溝通嘛不管是竹科管理局桃園市政府跟地方都在做希望可以把這個事情圓滿嘛可能會稍微縮小一點開發面積去剔除那個人口稠密跟百年老校的這個部分齁但是還是要做\n\n10\n00:02:51,318 --> 00:03:11,329\n因為他的區域條件其實是好的如果做得好做得順利可以按照軌道進行的話這個臺積電重新將榮科三期的擴建列入1奈米新建的考量這也是你們國科會講的那現在進行的進度當然前面因為政治爭議有一點點小耽擱那你下面有沒有預計的時間表比如說大概什麼時候取得完土地或怎麼樣\n\n11\n00:03:11,869 --> 00:03:12,930\n我們預計5月及7月各召開一場公聽會．9月報酬設計劃．明年起花兩年的時間．通過都計、環評等等．16年就可以來．\n\n12\n00:03:28,889 --> 00:03:37,398\n所以其實跟你本來預估的時間其實是沒有差對不對?你本來也是抓差不多116年的時候進入正式的土地徵收程序對嗎?當然嘛那過程中有經過溝通對那你前期溝通的完整的時候相對來講後期推動的阻礙就變小嘛所以還是照116年進入土地徵收的程序在進行對嗎?\n\n13\n00:03:48,510 --> 00:04:03,330\n好這個我希望這個大家積極一點因為我想我剛剛講說中央出資的科學園區的模式其實是大家都喜歡的也可以符合你國科會做整體的產業科技布局是最符合這樣子的一個政策精神的所以希望就照章進行好嗎好\n\n14\n00:04:04,531 --> 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