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00:01:00,615\n我認為不能申請使用這個算是一個進步但是我必須還是要講一下這個山豬調的部分因為這個金鎖套鼠目前這個無差別的特性還是有發生過很多的案例會捕捉到這個目標物種以外的野生動物導致他們的傷殘甚至是死亡像是目前看過的案例石虎\n\n4\n00:01:01,576 --> 00:01:18,618\n台灣黑熊、川山甲、台灣水路、山羌這些例子都還是有在發生那這件事情已經討論很多年了我還是想要再次請教我們農業部有沒有機會再把這個山豬釣放進來如果沒有辦法配套措施是什麼\n\n5\n00:01:19,790 --> 00:01:43,280\n你跟委員說明就是我們現在目前把這個售假的部分先做全面的禁止那至於刪除掉的部分我在一開始報告也說明了就是說因為目前靠近山區的農民還有一些原住民部落他還有必須使用的空間但是同一時間我們也更積極的推廣改良市的這些列據那我們希望說讓改良市的列據更積極的推動\n\n6\n00:01:44,801 --> 00:02:03,462\n條之一及第十九條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八\n\n7\n00:02:05,364 --> 00:02:20,409\n可以全面的汰壞成改良式的秩序。這個承諾必須要去執行希望今年底之前我們在一年內就讓它可以完全的汰換掉而不是繼續的無限的繼續讓有這個空間使用那變成說山豬釣其實一直都還是存在\n\n8\n00:02:25,071 --> 00:02:33,899\n三條之一及第四條之一及第七條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之\n\n9\n00:02:52,515 --> 00:03:10,565\n條文修正草案．立法院第十四條之一及第十六條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及\n\n10\n00:03:20,930 --> 00:03:39,385\n條文修正草案．一、審查．一、三十四條之一及第四十七條之一及第四十七條之一及第四十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條\n\n11\n00:03:44,509 --> 00:04:04,761\n當你們公告出來之後刪除掉就是非法的。」我希望讓大家有一個明確的認知然後也有這個充分的溝通那最後還是要問一下說因為這個其實在你們這個19條裡面有講到說其他金主管機關公告的禁止的方法是可以有一個空白的授權\n\n12\n00:04:05,401 --> 00:04:06,082\n條文修正草案．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一\n\n13\n00:04:27,921 --> 00:04:48,153\n好,那這個就希望你們可以承諾就是未來如果有新的列據你們要放進來的就是都是由中央統一來公告因為其實現在地方法規還蠻亂的喔那我就是要說就是給你們統一公告之後如果禁止的部分有地方政府各自公告的話那就會亂七八糟的每個縣市都不一樣所以是由中央來公告\n\n14\n00:04:48,553 --> 00:05:02,042\n條文修正草案．一、審查．一、二十四條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n134\t11099\t條文修正草案案。」案。\n20377\t37298\t在這一次的野保法的草案19條的修正中因為我當然很肯定我們農業部終於把這個最後一哩路也把它送進來就是這個壽甲終於要全面禁用了因為這個也是非常多保育團體然後也跟農民然後跟原民有做過溝通之後大家的共識\n39040\t60615\t我認為不能申請使用這個算是一個進步但是我必須還是要講一下這個山豬調的部分因為這個金鎖套鼠目前這個無差別的特性還是有發生過很多的案例會捕捉到這個目標物種以外的野生動物導致他們的傷殘甚至是死亡像是目前看過的案例石虎\n61576\t78618\t台灣黑熊、川山甲、台灣水路、山羌這些例子都還是有在發生那這件事情已經討論很多年了我還是想要再次請教我們農業部有沒有機會再把這個山豬釣放進來如果沒有辦法配套措施是什麼\n79790\t103280\t你跟委員說明就是我們現在目前把這個售假的部分先做全面的禁止那至於刪除掉的部分我在一開始報告也說明了就是說因為目前靠近山區的農民還有一些原住民部落他還有必須使用的空間但是同一時間我們也更積極的推廣改良市的這些列據那我們希望說讓改良市的列據更積極的推動\n104801\t123462\t條之一及第十九條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八\n125364\t140409\t可以全面的汰壞成改良式的秩序。這個承諾必須要去執行希望今年底之前我們在一年內就讓它可以完全的汰換掉而不是繼續的無限的繼續讓有這個空間使用那變成說山豬釣其實一直都還是存在\n145071\t153899\t三條之一及第四條之一及第七條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之\n172515\t190565\t條文修正草案．立法院第十四條之一及第十六條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及\n200930\t219385\t條文修正草案．一、審查．一、三十四條之一及第四十七條之一及第四十七條之一及第四十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條\n224509\t244761\t當你們公告出來之後刪除掉就是非法的。」我希望讓大家有一個明確的認知然後也有這個充分的溝通那最後還是要問一下說因為這個其實在你們這個19條裡面有講到說其他金主管機關公告的禁止的方法是可以有一個空白的授權\n245401\t246082\t條文修正草案．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一\n267921\t288153\t好,那這個就希望你們可以承諾就是未來如果有新的列據你們要放進來的就是都是由中央統一來公告因為其實現在地方法規還蠻亂的喔那我就是要說就是給你們統一公告之後如果禁止的部分有地方政府各自公告的話那就會亂七八糟的每個縣市都不一樣所以是由中央來公告\n288553\t302042\t條文修正草案．一、審查．一、二十四條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及\n","txt":"條文修正草案案。」案。\n在這一次的野保法的草案19條的修正中因為我當然很肯定我們農業部終於把這個最後一哩路也把它送進來就是這個壽甲終於要全面禁用了因為這個也是非常多保育團體然後也跟農民然後跟原民有做過溝通之後大家的共識\n我認為不能申請使用這個算是一個進步但是我必須還是要講一下這個山豬調的部分因為這個金鎖套鼠目前這個無差別的特性還是有發生過很多的案例會捕捉到這個目標物種以外的野生動物導致他們的傷殘甚至是死亡像是目前看過的案例石虎\n台灣黑熊、川山甲、台灣水路、山羌這些例子都還是有在發生那這件事情已經討論很多年了我還是想要再次請教我們農業部有沒有機會再把這個山豬釣放進來如果沒有辦法配套措施是什麼\n你跟委員說明就是我們現在目前把這個售假的部分先做全面的禁止那至於刪除掉的部分我在一開始報告也說明了就是說因為目前靠近山區的農民還有一些原住民部落他還有必須使用的空間但是同一時間我們也更積極的推廣改良市的這些列據那我們希望說讓改良市的列據更積極的推動\n條之一及第十九條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八\n可以全面的汰壞成改良式的秩序。這個承諾必須要去執行希望今年底之前我們在一年內就讓它可以完全的汰換掉而不是繼續的無限的繼續讓有這個空間使用那變成說山豬釣其實一直都還是存在\n三條之一及第四條之一及第七條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之一及第八條之\n條文修正草案．立法院第十四條之一及第十六條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及\n條文修正草案．一、審查．一、三十四條之一及第四十七條之一及第四十七條之一及第四十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條\n當你們公告出來之後刪除掉就是非法的。」我希望讓大家有一個明確的認知然後也有這個充分的溝通那最後還是要問一下說因為這個其實在你們這個19條裡面有講到說其他金主管機關公告的禁止的方法是可以有一個空白的授權\n條文修正草案．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一\n好,那這個就希望你們可以承諾就是未來如果有新的列據你們要放進來的就是都是由中央統一來公告因為其實現在地方法規還蠻亂的喔那我就是要說就是給你們統一公告之後如果禁止的部分有地方政府各自公告的話那就會亂七八糟的每個縣市都不一樣所以是由中央來公告\n條文修正草案．一、審查．一、二十四條之一及第十六條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及第十八條之一及\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.134 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