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line畫線部分，2019年開始涉及兒少性影像犯罪的案件不斷上升，2019年到2023年之間，從717案到2,903案，達4倍之多。其中性影像犯罪在整個性剝削防制條例通報案件的占比是從六成到將近九成，您最新的報告也大概是將近九成。"],["薛部長瑞元：對，八成五。"],["陳委員昭姿：所以這個部分在增加。部長，請問您認為這個數字背後的意義是什麼？"],["薛部長瑞元：兒少性剝削防制條例裡面有四款……"],["陳委員昭姿：對，性影像犯罪。"],["薛部長瑞元：在這四款中，第三款所謂的性影像相關的通報案件是最多的，目前達到八成五，當然就是因為網際網路的使用更為普遍，在網路之間瀏覽的這個……"],["陳委員昭姿：對，網際網路其實已經發達了很久。"],["薛部長瑞元：也因此散布、製作等行為就會增加。"],["陳委員昭姿：部長，因為4月10號時，在這個委員會有委員提到，目前最重要的通報來源還是要靠受害者自己來舉報有性影像犯罪，而且還要提供完整的資料，假設資料不夠完整是不能成案的。本席認為為了保護兒少的權益，政府是不是應該要主動出擊去搜查這些網站呢？你要受害人自己來舉報，這個部分您同意這個原則或想法嗎？"],["薛部長瑞元：其實這種兒少性影像犯罪大概是兩個類型，第一個是針對個人把這種性影像傳輸上去，當然他的目的有些是為了要勒索等等，這些我們先不管，這是一種類型，這一種類型所傳播上去的是各種載具都有可能，包括我們經常使用的社群媒體，常用的這些都有。"],["陳委員昭姿：當然，我們要怎麼樣教育這些……"],["薛部長瑞元：第二種情形是，它是集中在一個網站，通常是色情網站，但是它裡面提供的是兒少性影像。"],["陳委員昭姿：部長，我們等一下再討論怎麼來做更有效的解決。根據保護司的資料，您看到這個圖片，在兒少性剝削案件當中有關拍攝跟製造影片的，你看這個占的比例最長、好長！2022年將近2,000案；但是你往上看的那一條，供人閱覽的才不到50件。部長，你覺得這個數字合理？那不是很奇怪嗎？拍攝跟製造案2,000案、供人閱覽的只有不到四十分之一！"],["薛部長瑞元：這個供人閱覽並不是影像，是實體的部分。"],["陳委員昭姿：但是這個數字放在一起就是非常奇怪，我想事實上還有很多的黑數嘛？部長。"],["薛部長瑞元：當然。"],["陳委員昭姿：這個實況差這麼多，就是實際情況差這麼多，你看到這麼多製造，然後看的人是這樣子，對於這個部分衛福部有沒有擬定什麼相關的對策來處理？太奇怪、太不對稱的一個數字！"],["薛部長瑞元：對，所以這就是我剛剛跟委員報告的，因為它有兩種類型，第二種類型我們才有可能主動去做搜尋，也就是那種色情網站，我們技術上面應該是可行。"],["陳委員昭姿：反正衛福部要多加油。"],["薛部長瑞元：對。"],["陳委員昭姿：因為這個數字看起來非常的奇怪！","下一張簡報，有關2023年修法之前持有兒少性影像者，大概第一次都是屬於行政罰鍰，第二次累犯才有刑事的罰金；去年修法的內容在右邊，改成持有兒少性影像者，最高可以處1年的徒刑，併科罰金30萬。但事實上這樣的刑度，部長認為可以嚇阻嗎？足以嚇阻嗎？"],["薛部長瑞元：有關刑度是否足以嚇阻，有時候不容易判斷啦，依我們看起來這個刑度是最低的啦，但跟以前相比，以前是完全沒有用刑罰，那就更高了啦。"],["陳委員昭姿：部長，除了純粹提高罰則，我認為應該就整個兒少性剝削的樣態去做檢討，看看什麼方式嚇阻最有效，比如說這個犯罪影片還有涉及追查、下架，你剛剛有報告到犯罪證據的儲存，這個部分公權力應該要介入更深啦！"],["薛部長瑞元：是。"],["陳委員昭姿：下一張簡報。部長，2023年性侵害防治四法經過修正公告，衛福部成立了性影像處理中心網站，成立這個網站我想大家都非常支持，本席也覺得要盡最大努力來保護被害人。有關這個性影像處理中心，請問部長，這一年多的運作成效如何？您滿意嗎？"],["薛部長瑞元：目前檢舉有影像、有網址的就是剛剛報告的767案，成功移除下架的有665案、86.7%；但有一些沒有網址或者網址失效，這種案子在這一段時間也處理了863案，但是成案的比例就稍微少了一點。"],["陳委員昭姿：部長，我們一直覺得黑數很多啦！你設了一個這樣子的服務中心，它可以允許本人不用露面、到場，這個當然有助於通報。","我們看下一張簡報，去年8月有關下架影像的法條正式施行之後，當時衛福部保護司開了記者會說性影像處理中心去年2月到6月接獲1,327件案件，較去年的同期增加5倍耶！也顯示過去這一類的性暴力罪犯存在很多黑數，我認為到今天應該還是有很多的黑數！事實上我們前面看到拍攝跟製造的比率這麼高，但是供人閱覽的部分不到50件啦，我想部長您應該也會同意在這個網路時代，你剛剛也提到，既然製造的量這麼多一定會被po上網，所以部長同不同意有很多的黑數？既然有這麼多製造，事實上我們可能不知道在哪，但是它被po上網了、是在網路上，您同意這個說法嗎？"],["薛部長瑞元：這我可以同意，因為都是靠被害人主動去申訴啦。"],["陳委員昭姿：是，這個我們可以再檢討。保護司有說到很重點的部分，有63個境外網路平臺不配合移除下架，這就是問題所在，這次黃子佼所持有兒少性影像的來源網站就是架設在國外伺服器的境外網路平臺，那衛福部對於這些沒有辦法配合下架的有什麼對策呢？投降嗎？有沒有什麼對策？"],["薛部長瑞元：那個網站其實以前也曾經封網過，但因為它改了一個網域之後又復活了。"],["陳委員昭姿：對，這個我們要來處理！部長，有關這些性暴力、性剝削的影片，第一，很難下架；封網之後可以換個網址重新再來，這個我們知道，等於是斬草不除根、春風吹又生；第三個，有人檢舉你才要處理，那面對這種集團式的犯罪，衛福部難道就這樣比較消極被動嗎？你們可以主動出擊！例如：利用科技技術去突破。這次創意私房的案件已經有區塊鏈業者作出報告，聽說已經交給檢方，部長知道嗎？"],["薛部長瑞元：這個部分我是不清楚。"],["陳委員昭姿：在這裡！他們已經把報告交給檢方。過去散布私密影像的業者認為虛擬貨幣無法追蹤足跡，但事實上現在科技做得到，我想不管是衛福部還有今天在座的數位部、法務部，尤其是數位部！你們的經費、資源非常豐富，我覺得你們應該好好研究一下如何利用科技來去追溯這些專門播放私密影像的網站，除了下架還有封網，應該從虛擬貨幣的金流──這都是非法的金流，從這個部分去追、斷絕他們的收入來源！這才是一個斬草除根的作法。部長，可以嗎？要三個部會合作啊，人家都做出來、民間都做出來了，政府難道跟不上嗎？"],["薛部長瑞元：我相信這個技術應該是可行啦，現在就是要主動去搜尋，這也是我剛剛所提到的，我們政府要有主動去搜尋這些網站的能力才可以。"],["陳委員昭姿：所以我最後的重點就是要更主動積極嘛！然後被害者的保護……"],["薛部長瑞元：所以要有法律的授權。"],["陳委員昭姿：有關法律授權，這三個部門都在嘛！今天我想就是數位部還有法務部嘛，然後第一個，大家要合作，包括利用虛擬貨幣的非法金流去追溯；第二個，保護被害人，無論他的隱私、他的心理輔導、他的醫療資源、他的法律援助等等，我也希望大家都做得更好、真正能夠保護到這些受害人，謝謝部長。"],["薛部長瑞元：謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝陳昭姿委員。","接下來我們請林月琴委員進行質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":340,"meet_id":"委員會-11-1-26-12","speakers":["王育敏","陳昭姿","林月琴","陳菁徽","涂權吉","盧縣一","廖偉翔","邱鎮軍","蘇清泉","林淑芬","王正旭","洪申翰","黃珊珊","黃捷","洪孟楷","張雅琳","沈伯洋","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","麥玉珍","鄭天財Sra 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00:02:21,838\n其實這種兒少性影像犯罪大概是兩個類型第一個是針對個人把這種性影像傳輸上去當然他的目的有些是為了要勒索等等這些我們先不管\n\n8\n00:02:43,994 --> 00:03:01,676\n這是一種類型那這一種類型他所傳播上去的話是各種的這種載具都有可能包括說我們經常使用的社群媒體當然我們要怎麼樣教育這些但是還有一些第二種情形是他是集中在一個網站\n\n9\n00:03:02,777 --> 00:03:21,601\n這是通常是社群網站但是它裡面有提供的是兒少性影像部長我們等一下來稍後來討論這個什麼來做更有效的解決那根據保護師的資料您看到這個圖片在兒少性剝削的案件當中拍攝跟製造的這個影片你看這個最長你看好長就是說佔的比率2022年是2000案將近2000案\n\n10\n00:03:28,663 --> 00:03:45,160\n但是你往上看的那一條公人閱覽的才不到50件那部長你覺得這個數字合理不是很奇怪嗎拍攝跟製造2000案公人閱覽的只有不到40分之一這個公人閱覽並不是影像是實體的\n\n11\n00:03:52,767 --> 00:04:05,315\n但是這個柱子放在一起就是非常奇怪我想事實上還有很多的黑數嘛部長就是那這個實況差這麼多就實際情況差這麼多你看到這麼多製造然後看的人是這樣子\n\n12\n00:04:07,056 --> 00:04:22,361\n對這個部分部長、衛福部有沒有擬定什麼相關的對策來處理?太奇怪、太不對稱的一個數字所以這就是我剛剛跟委員報告的因為他有兩種類型那第二種類型的話才有可能說我們主動去做搜尋\n\n13\n00:04:23,721 --> 00:04:44,762\n也就是說那種色情網站我們技術上面應該是...反正衛護要多加油因為這個數字看起來是非常的奇怪下一張2023年修法之前這個有持有而效這個性影像者大概第一次都是屬於行政罰款那第二次累犯才有刑事的這個罰金那去年修法的在右邊\n\n14\n00:04:45,803 --> 00:05:12,778\n就改成說持有兒少的性影像者最高可以處一年的徒刑那病科罰金30萬但事實上這樣的刑度部長你認為可以嚇阻嗎?足以嚇阻嗎?這當然就是說刑度是否足以嚇阻這個有時候不容易判斷啦當然依我們看起來這個刑度是最低的啦但是會比以前以前是完全沒有用刑法部長那除了\n\n15\n00:05:13,778 --> 00:05:38,416\n會提高罰則我是認為應該就整個兒童、兒少的性剝削的一個樣態去做一個檢討那看看是不是哪一些做什麼方式是最有效來嚇阻的比如說在這個犯罪影片因為還有涉及追查嘛下架啦你剛剛也有報告到犯罪證據的儲存這個部分公權力公權力應該要介入更深啦要介入更深\n\n16\n00:05:39,136 --> 00:06:01,758\n部長2023年現在一張性侵害防治司法有經過修正公告那衛福部成立了所謂的性影像處理中心網站成立這個網站我想大家都非常支持本來就覺得要盡最大努力來保護這個被害人那這個性影像處理中心請問部長這一年多的運作成效如何?那您滿意嗎?\n\n17\n00:06:04,300 --> 00:06:24,609\n他目前就是說有這種檢舉的有影像而且有網址的那就是剛剛報告的767案那成功移除下架有665案就86.7%但是有一些是他沒有影像或者是沒有\n\n18\n00:06:25,889 --> 00:06:44,030\n沒有網址或者網址是一個失效的那這種案子的話在這一段時間裡面也處理了863案但是他的這一個成案的比例就稍微是少了一點\n\n19\n00:06:45,610 --> 00:07:07,481\n我們一直覺得說黑數是會很多當然你設了一個這樣子的一個服務中心我覺得說當然他可以允許就是本人不用露面到場的等等這個當然是有方有助於這個通報我們看下一張去年8月有關這個下架影像的法條政治正式的施行之後當時衛福保護司開了記者會\n\n20\n00:07:10,962 --> 00:07:15,344\n說就是性影像處理中心去年2月到6月接獲1327件的這個案件叫去前一年的同期增加5倍那也顯示過去說這類的性暴力這個罪犯他存在很多黑數我認為到今天應該還是有很多的黑數那事實上我們前面看到拍攝跟製造的比率這麼高但是那個工人閱覽的部分這個不到50件\n\n21\n00:07:38,152 --> 00:07:58,785\n那我想部長您應該也會同意在這個網路時代您剛剛也提到既然製造的量這麼多一定會被PO上網被PO上網所以部長這個想法是說您同不同意說有很多的黑數既然有這麼多製造事實上是我們可能不知道但是它被PO上網了是在網路上您同意這個說法嗎\n\n22\n00:08:00,105 --> 00:08:21,791\n這我可以同意因為現在都是靠被害人主動的去申訴我們可以再檢討那保護司有說有63個境外網路平台不配合移除下架這就是問題所在以這次黃紫嬌她所持有的兒少性影像的來源網站就是架設在國外的伺服器的境外網路平台\n\n23\n00:08:22,551 --> 00:08:23,752\n他那個網站其實以前也曾經封網過但是因為他改了一個網域之後又復活了\n\n24\n00:08:37,605 --> 00:09:04,244\n但是對這個我們要來處理部長這些性暴力性剝削的這個影片低額難下架那你封網之後他可以換個網子重新再來這個我們知道就是等於斬草不除跟春風吹幽聲嘛第三個因為你要有人檢舉你才要處理那面對這種集團式的犯罪我覺得是說威福部難道就這樣比較積極被動嗎我們可以主動出擊例如利用科技科技去技術去突破\n\n25\n00:09:05,365 --> 00:09:19,924\n那這次創意私房的案件已經有區塊鏈業者做出報告聽說已經交給檢方,部長知道嗎?這個部分我是不清楚在這裡,在手上在這裡他們已經把報告交給檢方而過去這個散布私密這個影像的這個業者他們認為這個虛擬貨幣\n\n26\n00:09:24,329 --> 00:09:43,597\n午法追蹤午法追蹤足跡但事實上現在科技做得到科技做得到我想不管是衛福部還有今天在在座的這個數位部法務部尤其是數位部你們的資金費資源是非常的豐富我覺得你們應該好好研究一下如何利用科技來去追溯這些\n\n27\n00:09:45,618 --> 00:10:06,763\n就是專門這個播放私密這個影像的網站除了下架還有封網之前應該從這個虛擬貨幣的金流這都是非法的金流這個部分去斷絕他們的收入來源這才是一個那個斬草除根的做法部長可以嗎要三個部會合作啊人家都做出來民間都做出來了\n\n28\n00:10:07,623 --> 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還是有很多的黑數那事實上我們前面看到拍攝跟製造的比率這麼高但是那個工人閱覽的部分這個不到50件\n那我想部長您應該也會同意在這個網路時代您剛剛也提到既然製造的量這麼多一定會被PO上網被PO上網所以部長這個想法是說您同不同意說有很多的黑數既然有這麼多製造事實上是我們可能不知道但是它被PO上網了是在網路上您同意這個說法嗎\n這我可以同意因為現在都是靠被害人主動的去申訴我們可以再檢討那保護司有說有63個境外網路平台不配合移除下架這就是問題所在以這次黃紫嬌她所持有的兒少性影像的來源網站就是架設在國外的伺服器的境外網路平台\n他那個網站其實以前也曾經封網過但是因為他改了一個網域之後又復活了\n但是對這個我們要來處理部長這些性暴力性剝削的這個影片低額難下架那你封網之後他可以換個網子重新再來這個我們知道就是等於斬草不除跟春風吹幽聲嘛第三個因為你要有人檢舉你才要處理那面對這種集團式的犯罪我覺得是說威福部難道就這樣比較積極被動嗎我們可以主動出擊例如利用科技科技去技術去突破\n那這次創意私房的案件已經有區塊鏈業者做出報告聽說已經交給檢方,部長知道嗎?這個部分我是不清楚在這裡,在手上在這裡他們已經把報告交給檢方而過去這個散布私密這個影像的這個業者他們認為這個虛擬貨幣\n午法追蹤午法追蹤足跡但事實上現在科技做得到科技做得到我想不管是衛福部還有今天在在座的這個數位部法務部尤其是數位部你們的資金費資源是非常的豐富我覺得你們應該好好研究一下如何利用科技來去追溯這些\n就是專門這個播放私密這個影像的網站除了下架還有封網之前應該從這個虛擬貨幣的金流這都是非法的金流這個部分去斷絕他們的收入來源這才是一個那個斬草除根的做法部長可以嗎要三個部會合作啊人家都做出來民間都做出來了\n政府難道跟不上嗎?我相信這個技術應該是可行啦那現在就是說要主動去搜尋這也是我剛剛所提到我們政府要有主動去搜尋這些網站對所以我最後的重點就是說要更主動積極嘛然後被害者的保護說要有法律的授權\n謝謝部長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.200 --> 00:06.545\n請問部長您知道所謂的涉及這個兒少性影像犯罪的內容包括什麼嗎?\n\n00:21.979 --> 00:30.064\n對,就是這個內容所規範的部分我想包括這個拍攝、製造、散布、播送或是販賣相關的這個圖畫、影音或其他的物品都是被規範的範圍\n\n00:35.888 --> 00:55.515\n根據衛福自己的統計數字當然剛剛您有最的更新那我們之前前幾天查的是這樣子的從2019年開始部長可以參考我投影片的這個underline這個劃線的部分2019年開始涉及兒少性影像犯罪的案件不斷的上升那2019年是到2023年之間從717案\n\n00:59.676 --> 01:17.009\n到2903案打4倍之多那其中其中性影像犯罪在整個性剝削防止條例裡面通報案件的占比從6成到將近9成剛剛您最新的報告也大概是將近9成所以這個部分在增加那部長請問您認為這個背後這個數字背後的意義是什麼\n\n01:20.916 --> 01:44.884\n當然就是說,兒少性剝削條例裡面的這一個有幾款嘛?有四款嘛?四款的裡面的話,那第三款的所謂的性影像的相關的這一個通報案件是最多的目前達到8成5那當然就是因為網際網路的使用更為普遍那在這網路之間瀏覽的這一個\n\n01:48.585 --> 02:16.475\n對,網絡網路時其實已經發達了很久但是也因此散布、製作的行為就會...部長因為在4月10日在這個委員會當中有委員提到目前最重要的來源、通報來源還是要靠受害者自己來舉報是影響犯罪而且還要提供完整的資料假設資料不夠完整他是不能成案的那本席認為為了保護兒少的權益政府是不是應該要更主動\n\n02:17.595 --> 02:21.838\n其實這種兒少性影像犯罪大概是兩個類型第一個是針對個人把這種性影像傳輸上去當然他的目的有些是為了要勒索等等這些我們先不管\n\n02:43.994 --> 03:01.676\n這是一種類型那這一種類型他所傳播上去的話是各種的這種載具都有可能包括說我們經常使用的社群媒體當然我們要怎麼樣教育這些但是還有一些第二種情形是他是集中在一個網站\n\n03:02.777 --> 03:21.601\n這是通常是社群網站但是它裡面有提供的是兒少性影像部長我們等一下來稍後來討論這個什麼來做更有效的解決那根據保護師的資料您看到這個圖片在兒少性剝削的案件當中拍攝跟製造的這個影片你看這個最長你看好長就是說佔的比率2022年是2000案將近2000案\n\n03:28.663 --> 03:45.160\n但是你往上看的那一條公人閱覽的才不到50件那部長你覺得這個數字合理不是很奇怪嗎拍攝跟製造2000案公人閱覽的只有不到40分之一這個公人閱覽並不是影像是實體的\n\n03:52.767 --> 04:05.315\n但是這個柱子放在一起就是非常奇怪我想事實上還有很多的黑數嘛部長就是那這個實況差這麼多就實際情況差這麼多你看到這麼多製造然後看的人是這樣子\n\n04:07.056 --> 04:22.361\n對這個部分部長、衛福部有沒有擬定什麼相關的對策來處理?太奇怪、太不對稱的一個數字所以這就是我剛剛跟委員報告的因為他有兩種類型那第二種類型的話才有可能說我們主動去做搜尋\n\n04:23.721 --> 04:44.762\n也就是說那種色情網站我們技術上面應該是...反正衛護要多加油因為這個數字看起來是非常的奇怪下一張2023年修法之前這個有持有而效這個性影像者大概第一次都是屬於行政罰款那第二次累犯才有刑事的這個罰金那去年修法的在右邊\n\n04:45.803 --> 05:12.778\n就改成說持有兒少的性影像者最高可以處一年的徒刑那病科罰金30萬但事實上這樣的刑度部長你認為可以嚇阻嗎?足以嚇阻嗎?這當然就是說刑度是否足以嚇阻這個有時候不容易判斷啦當然依我們看起來這個刑度是最低的啦但是會比以前以前是完全沒有用刑法部長那除了\n\n05:13.778 --> 05:38.416\n會提高罰則我是認為應該就整個兒童、兒少的性剝削的一個樣態去做一個檢討那看看是不是哪一些做什麼方式是最有效來嚇阻的比如說在這個犯罪影片因為還有涉及追查嘛下架啦你剛剛也有報告到犯罪證據的儲存這個部分公權力公權力應該要介入更深啦要介入更深\n\n05:39.136 --> 06:01.758\n部長2023年現在一張性侵害防治司法有經過修正公告那衛福部成立了所謂的性影像處理中心網站成立這個網站我想大家都非常支持本來就覺得要盡最大努力來保護這個被害人那這個性影像處理中心請問部長這一年多的運作成效如何?那您滿意嗎?\n\n06:04.300 --> 06:24.609\n他目前就是說有這種檢舉的有影像而且有網址的那就是剛剛報告的767案那成功移除下架有665案就86.7%但是有一些是他沒有影像或者是沒有\n\n06:25.889 --> 06:44.030\n沒有網址或者網址是一個失效的那這種案子的話在這一段時間裡面也處理了863案但是他的這一個成案的比例就稍微是少了一點\n\n06:45.610 --> 07:07.481\n我們一直覺得說黑數是會很多當然你設了一個這樣子的一個服務中心我覺得說當然他可以允許就是本人不用露面到場的等等這個當然是有方有助於這個通報我們看下一張去年8月有關這個下架影像的法條政治正式的施行之後當時衛福保護司開了記者會\n\n07:10.962 --> 07:15.344\n說就是性影像處理中心去年2月到6月接獲1327件的這個案件叫去前一年的同期增加5倍那也顯示過去說這類的性暴力這個罪犯他存在很多黑數我認為到今天應該還是有很多的黑數那事實上我們前面看到拍攝跟製造的比率這麼高但是那個工人閱覽的部分這個不到50件\n\n07:38.152 --> 07:58.785\n那我想部長您應該也會同意在這個網路時代您剛剛也提到既然製造的量這麼多一定會被PO上網被PO上網所以部長這個想法是說您同不同意說有很多的黑數既然有這麼多製造事實上是我們可能不知道但是它被PO上網了是在網路上您同意這個說法嗎\n\n08:00.105 --> 08:21.791\n這我可以同意因為現在都是靠被害人主動的去申訴我們可以再檢討那保護司有說有63個境外網路平台不配合移除下架這就是問題所在以這次黃紫嬌她所持有的兒少性影像的來源網站就是架設在國外的伺服器的境外網路平台\n\n08:22.551 --> 08:23.752\n他那個網站其實以前也曾經封網過但是因為他改了一個網域之後又復活了\n\n08:37.605 --> 09:04.244\n但是對這個我們要來處理部長這些性暴力性剝削的這個影片低額難下架那你封網之後他可以換個網子重新再來這個我們知道就是等於斬草不除跟春風吹幽聲嘛第三個因為你要有人檢舉你才要處理那面對這種集團式的犯罪我覺得是說威福部難道就這樣比較積極被動嗎我們可以主動出擊例如利用科技科技去技術去突破\n\n09:05.365 --> 09:19.924\n那這次創意私房的案件已經有區塊鏈業者做出報告聽說已經交給檢方,部長知道嗎?這個部分我是不清楚在這裡,在手上在這裡他們已經把報告交給檢方而過去這個散布私密這個影像的這個業者他們認為這個虛擬貨幣\n\n09:24.329 --> 09:43.597\n午法追蹤午法追蹤足跡但事實上現在科技做得到科技做得到我想不管是衛福部還有今天在在座的這個數位部法務部尤其是數位部你們的資金費資源是非常的豐富我覺得你們應該好好研究一下如何利用科技來去追溯這些\n\n09:45.618 --> 10:06.763\n就是專門這個播放私密這個影像的網站除了下架還有封網之前應該從這個虛擬貨幣的金流這都是非法的金流這個部分去斷絕他們的收入來源這才是一個那個斬草除根的做法部長可以嗎要三個部會合作啊人家都做出來民間都做出來了\n\n10:07.623 --> 10:27.798\n政府難道跟不上嗎?我相信這個技術應該是可行啦那現在就是說要主動去搜尋這也是我剛剛所提到我們政府要有主動去搜尋這些網站對所以我最後的重點就是說要更主動積極嘛然後被害者的保護說要有法律的授權\n\n10:29.139 --> 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