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00:01:17,323\n然後呢他們就發展這個橋界的志工組織然後在在各個地方的進行這個政治活動所以我們比較擔心的就是說像這個中國其實在全世界各地其實都設立了這所謂的海外警察站也就是說以後我們的政府元首出訪的時候其實增加的這個危安風險是增加的\n\n5\n00:01:50,666 --> 00:02:05,146\n非常謝謝羅委員的這個提問那如果說每一次要那個政府高層出訪的時候那除了我們外交部這邊扮演相當程度的這個角色就是協助安排所有的這個Program那另外\n\n6\n00:02:06,147 --> 00:02:29,078\n必須要扮演非常重要角色工作的就是我們的國安局那國安局是負責那個高層的這個維安那每一次出訪的時候涉及到維安的這個安排也都是非常的仔細那有關於細部的這些狀況可能我們這邊就不適合來做說明但是我們會把那個我們的高層出訪的時候所設的這個維安的這個工作當作是一個重點\n\n7\n00:02:29,858 --> 00:02:46,041\n那甚至是像我們外交部的這個安排也必須要去跟那個我們的維安的這個體系就是我們的國安局那邊討論到說我們的確是有辦法去維持那個高層的這個安全的時候我們才有辦法去落實我們的這些出訪的工作\n\n8\n00:02:47,102 --> 00:02:57,988\n這都是國人非常關心的這個問題我們的政府元首出訪到底會遇到什麼樣的狀況那再來我還有看到就是說真的他們的戰狼外交真的是讓國人瞠目結舌像2020年這個斐濟的這個國慶酒會上面中國的外管\n\n9\n00:03:05,031 --> 00:03:05,191\n主席\n\n10\n00:03:27,261 --> 00:03:33,949\n怎麼會這些行為這些不友善的行為會在越南來發生因為在越南在國人的認知裡面兩國之間的這個關係是應該是非常的這個密切像越南他在台灣的這個一共有26萬人\n\n11\n00:03:43,019 --> 00:03:47,906\n外籍配偶有超過11萬人外籍生也是佔了所有國際生裡面的最大宗有超過2萬人我們在越南的這個投資說實在目前在越南的台商其實有將近7萬人\n\n12\n00:04:00,723 --> 00:04:00,763\n﹚羅美玲議員\n\n13\n00:04:24,967 --> 00:04:25,167\n李慧琼議員\n\n14\n00:04:42,997 --> 00:04:58,403\n非常謝謝委員有關於我們台商世界台商總會或者是說其他的那個海外的這些團體組織要在哪裡辦這些相關的活動的時候我想我們外交部這邊一定是會盡全力來幫忙\n\n15\n00:05:00,143 --> 00:05:19,573\n這次的那個越南的狀況可能不是單獨也不是唯一那接下來也有可能再度發生那不管是怎樣只要是在沒有邦交的這些國家進行我們的相關的台商會活動的時候我們外交部都會盡我們的這個能力來跟當地的這個政府盡量溝通協調讓我們的這個活動能夠辦得圓滿順利\n\n16\n00:05:23,703 --> 00:05:46,428\n我想這個部分的話我想越南的台商應該是非常的非常的遺憾這件事情在我們來看的話也覺得說怎麼會跟台灣有這麼密切往來的越南居然你會因為畏懼這個中國的這個壓力然後對台灣做出這麼不友善的動作我想外交部往後在國際上我想困難會不會\n\n17\n00:05:47,628 --> 00:05:48,689\n的確中國在國際的這個打壓是無所不在\n\n18\n00:06:03,019 --> 00:06:26,749\n而且無孔不入那之前曾經針對那個我們的國際的這個參與國際組織的參與或者是說其他非邦交國進行活動的這些狀況都有一些打壓的這些作為那關於中國在海外的這些打壓的作為或者是說去扭曲我們參與的這個模式那我們外交部門都不斷的在掌握當中對於未來的\n\n19\n00:06:27,329 --> 00:06:31,531\n臺灣的這個外交的處境真的是非常的困難也辛苦了外交部也辛苦了再來我們請外交部長先回座再來我想邀請的是領務局我們的陳副局長陳副局長\n\n20\n00:07:02,419 --> 00:07:21,322\n主席委員好副局長好我們近期有發生這個國人的護照被不法集團轉賣給這個中國人社集團的這個事件那這些護照被變造之後流落這個市面那這些持有台灣這個假護照的都是中國人\n\n21\n00:07:21,923 --> 00:07:46,200\n那他們是利用這個臺灣護照在全球110個國家想免簽證入境的這個優勢呢然後呢拿了這個臺灣的假護照然後進入到歐洲各國去那也許他們進到這些國家從事的是不法的一些行為那他們做了如果是做了一些不法的行為變成說做壞事的是中國人可是承擔的可能就是臺灣因為他拿的是臺灣的假護照\n\n22\n00:07:49,142 --> 00:07:54,327\n那像這個部分的話我們對於這個護照的這個買賣我們當然有罰則可是除了有罰則有判刑之外我們還有沒有什麼方式可以來做這個有關於買賣的這個民眾他在護照的管制方面我們有沒有其他相關的這個處置\n\n23\n00:08:09,381 --> 00:08:32,637\n是,謝謝委員的垂學有關委員提到這個問題確實是我們外交部理事事務局目前極為關切的一個情形就是我們的護照目前遭到就是說不法集團的一個有系統性的一個變造據目前前幾天那個上禮拜宜蘭地檢署曾經發布一個新聞將近有50本護照遭到變應該是說這個護照是真的\n\n24\n00:08:36,700 --> 00:08:55,640\n是國人把他辦了一本護照之後呢交給一個中方的一個不法人士把他販賣出去所以我們想要藉這個委員這次的質詢也向國人同胞做一個說明因為我們護照條例第30條有一個非常明確的規定假設你將護照做這樣\n\n25\n00:08:58,482 --> 00:09:20,667\n29條到33條也非常明確的規定假設你將這個護照就是說交給他人去使用等等必須負有刑責的而且這個刑責是非常大的是7年以下並得科70萬的罰金所以在這種情況以下國人因為據報宅報導是說大概架構就販賣這樣一個護照大概是可以獲利7000元到1萬元\n\n26\n00:09:25,788 --> 00:09:29,871\n本局已經在所有包括我們外交部四個辦事處就是說就國人在申辦護照的時候我們加強一個查核的一個動作第二個我們跟國內的所有的一個檢調機關包括\n\n27\n00:09:49,267 --> 00:09:53,189\n其他國家的一個合作關係,包括本局和局長今天剛好率團到歐洲去訪問,那就我瞭解裡面就是有比如說到西班牙到義大利等等都會跟\n\n28\n00:10:15,996 --> 00:10:16,536\n委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會\n\n29\n00:10:38,823 --> 00:11:08,156\n一個配套措施底下我相信這個事情應該會慢慢獲得一個解決那我想請問副局長我們這50本的源頭找到了嗎所有人他的原來的所有人他們會受到這方面的重罰嗎我們有沒有找到這些人報委員現在因為這個案子已經記錄那個進入那個事發簡單說明好不好時間的關係是進入這個調查之中所以我們大概知道因為很多情資事實上是本局提供的啦是但是我沒有辦法完全確定說哪些現在是流落何方以上報完畢\n\n30\n00:11:08,496 --> 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