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00:00:51,459\n早安部長還有我們法務部的副司長上個週末呢網路上其實有非常多人看到這位藝人又有兩個未成年的受害者跳出來並且公布他們當初如何被誘拐誘騙去拍攝私密的照片以及私密的影片的經過包括這位藝人當時的錄音檔然後瘋傳在網路上啦\n\n3\n00:00:52,139 --> 00:01:19,865\n我是想請教一下我們有韓國的前車之鑑當初呢韓國有兩百萬人走上街頭要求法務部公開這些加害者的資料因為現在很多人關心大家都知道說這些非法的偷拍網站上面偷拍的場域遍佈了我們台灣的名校哦明星女高中還有大學還有一些公共的場所等等的好\n\n4\n00:01:21,545 --> 00:01:31,536\n大家已經對於這個藝人受到侵犯非常的不開心畢竟擁有未成年私密影像是一件大事結果呢根據2022年7月就有員警在媒體的這個採訪中\n\n5\n00:01:36,742 --> 00:01:56,031\n具名去表示說2022年7月創意私房就已經有6000個會員還有一個觸感空間有1200個會員但是你到2024年4月封網你覺得封網前部長你知道你封網前到底創意私房又多了幾個會員嗎這我不清楚\n\n6\n00:01:59,013 --> 00:02:24,288\n是但這件事情滋事體大因為已經延燒了非常的久我不希望我們像韓國一樣必須要全民發起抗議引發怒火然後你們才開始公布這些偵查的結果我是想知道說法務部有沒有什麼想法你們到底多久想要公開一下這個你們偵查的進度還有現在受害者有多少\n\n7\n00:02:25,409 --> 00:02:31,627\n還有這個千千萬萬的黃子嬌這些購買未成年私密影片的人到底還有多少?\n\n8\n00:02:33,029 --> 00:02:33,489\n有我把這一頁調出來了\n\n9\n00:03:01,425 --> 00:03:28,256\n所以你覺得這件事情有沒有涉及公共利益還有涉及社會矚目的關鍵是報告委員因為案件是由地檢署的檢察官承辦那如果要公佈相關的訊息要由地檢署的檢察官來判斷所以要地檢署的檢察官來判斷說是不是符合偵查不公開作業辦法第8條上面所講的有您看一下右上角的新聞事件也認為因為創意私房涉及這個溫泉的偷拍片也很多人去過這個溫泉嘛\n\n10\n00:03:30,077 --> 00:03:49,725\n所以他們覺得將適度公開偵查的程序這部分我們尊重是林地簡的判斷對所以你們我也想請問薛部長您重視了這麼多婦幼的議題現在有這麼多婦幼因為這樣子私密偷拍受到影響你會不會也覺得法務部應該要適度的公開他的偵查程序\n\n11\n00:03:51,216 --> 00:04:05,575\n公開偵查程序的話有幾個重要的這個點第一個就是說他為了偵查本身順利的話公開會有助於他的偵查進行\n\n12\n00:04:06,736 --> 00:04:23,090\n第二個的話就是涉及到公共利益所謂公共利益就是公開來預防更多人的受害我上個禮拜接到一個陳情人他就是創意私房的受害者他說在這個偷拍的網站上面有各種不同的樣貌\n\n13\n00:04:23,951 --> 00:04:38,525\n他自己的那一個category他的目錄總表就是布滿了這個高學歷的人啊等等的他是一個很知名的演講者所以偷拍者是跟著他到他演講的地方的廁所去拍的所以\n\n14\n00:04:39,806 --> 00:05:02,964\n像這樣子不同的樣貌那裡面還有女高中生的還有在百貨公司的像這樣子你覺得不應該要讓大家知道說哪些地方應該要加強查緝他的廁所加強去偵測是不是有偷拍器或者是請家長告訴自己的小孩進去上廁所以前是不是要小心注意哪些這些難道不是公共利益嗎\n\n15\n00:05:06,420 --> 00:05:16,585\n當然不是公開個案但是法務部可以做到的是在你們這些徵訊的過程你們有發現哪一些地方是高風險的地方這些你們應該是可以公開的吧\n\n16\n00:05:33,935 --> 00:05:57,851\n向委員報告就如同委員所說的就是市林地檢他們現在已經受到適度的公開偵查程序所以如果沒有涉及個案只是預警一下說什麼地方可能是高風險區域的話那我們尊重市林地檢所的判斷好所以現在全民他的感受度就是大家看新聞看一些記者的深度調查可能都還比看法務部衛福部的報告還要快接下來謝謝法務部\n\n17\n00:06:00,066 --> 00:06:15,522\n我們看到你的這個性影像處理中心去年8月成立當時標榜的是可以快速下架全球都適用境外平台不再束手無策結果過短短三個月\n\n18\n00:06:16,583 --> 00:06:37,678\n11月保護司司長就跑出來說我們的成案率遇到瓶頸只有25%好為什麼成案率這麼低申訴的人這麼多只有25%申訴成功其中包括三大瓶頸大概就是第一個他提供的性影像沒有辦法辨識是不是他本人第二呢\n\n19\n00:06:38,719 --> 00:06:46,203\n這些網站很多是境外網站你跟他聯絡他根本不理你啊甚至要求你還要加入會員才可以跟他聯絡第三你們的申訴網站是寄信過去然後你會打電話回來很多人以為你們是詐騙集團所以沒有接電話因此你的報告寫得很漂亮你下架了600個700個影片\n\n20\n00:07:01,832 --> 00:07:11,695\n但是75%的申訴人他根本就沒有被處理欸因為你們的承認率極低啊你有想出改善承認率的方法了嗎?\n\n21\n00:07:13,046 --> 00:07:17,869\n好,剛很多委員已經問到了所以你們現在的成案率到底是多少?有提高了嗎?去年11月是25%啊\n\n22\n00:07:44,894 --> 00:08:08,823\n通常來說大概是案件總計以112年8月開始到今年的3月31總共有2901個案件目前來講有網址也就是說成案的部分大概767所以事實上\n\n23\n00:08:10,053 --> 00:08:37,398\n兩千多跟七百六十七好我想這樣子大家看到這樣子的數據可能也覺得性影像處理中心的他也不太敢再使用了啦剛剛有很多人遇到這一個就是民眾有時候就信心還沒有建立或者是說他不習慣把這一個他發現的這種網頁網址把它登記下來所以提供的訊息是有誤的這沒有辦法如果是訊息有誤我們\n\n24\n00:08:37,918 --> 00:09:06,529\n好像跟你11月新聞稿不太一樣但是沒有關係剛有很多委員問到你的流程圖我也到保護司把你的流程圖找出來結果啊流程圖居然是4年前109年至今喔都沒有更新最大的問題我把它圈起來最大的問題是境外IP齁你只有通知教育部中華電信完全沒有速發部的角色啊\n\n25\n00:09:06,949 --> 00:09:20,466\n自從訴發部成立以後從來沒有想過要把訴發部拉進來這個流程圖難怪你找這些違法的平台要花這麼久的時間因為照你這些SOP訴發部就置身事外啊\n\n26\n00:09:24,357 --> 00:09:51,163\n這個是有關於兒童少年權益保障法的部分的處理流程那它裡面有這種所謂的網際網路的相關的這些規範但是它比較focus的是說這一些不是說以兒少為內容而是說如何來避免兒少所以你的意思是說境外IP速發布就\n\n27\n00:09:51,963 --> 00:09:56,027\n沒事了?那你今天會想要修改這個流程圖嗎?因為你剛剛跟你願請委員說你還要花蠻長的時間才可以修改完成嗎?你也會把這個涵蓋進去嗎?現在我說要修改的時間可能要給一點時間要比較長的時間\n\n28\n00:10:10,380 --> 00:10:28,234\n是有兩個部分我還是說第一個部分就是目前影片下架單獨影片下架的機制我們這個要來改因為上個禮拜的那個案子就是說我們如果依循著那個施行細則五至七條的話\n\n29\n00:10:29,435 --> 00:10:46,211\n那這個就程序就比較長所以我們上一次就用行政執行法跟這個第8條上次是因為有別的委員質詢到你才開始做的如果沒有委員質詢其實你們就沒有要做了這是上禮拜被質詢你才做的那委員我跟你們報告\n\n30\n00:10:48,583 --> 00:11:14,573\n這個法規定在那個地方我們也不能說不執行啦施行細則所以其實上個禮拜那樣子的處理方式跳過施行細則的話是有一些法律風險的好所以你這個表請你納入書發佈可以嗎這可以啦4年沒有更新的表也請你納入書發佈再來啊這個也是最近一篇報導現在的男性受害人也越來越多有一個人叫阿力\n\n31\n00:11:15,333 --> 00:11:36,200\n他對網路是熟悉的所以他知道有你們這個影像處理中心的救濟辦法因此他半夜一兩點被網友詐騙說要裸聊的時候好他不小心拍了影片他在這篇報導中很詳細的描述他的心情啊他說他一兩點被拍非常的後悔因為那個人馬上要跟他勒索\n\n32\n00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,281\n結果呢他查你們影像處女中心九點才開門九點才可以打電話他躺在床上從一兩點躺到九點徹夜難眠好這件事有兩個風險第一他可能就把錢付出去囉\n\n33\n00:11:51,786 --> 00:12:12,919\n因為誰會發生私密騙外流當然是晚上啊誰白天在跟人家裸聊就是晚上就是發生了高風險你的113家報都知道說要設24小時結果你的性影像處理中心只有開到10點然後10點以後就大家叫大家寄email進來\n\n34\n00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:41,269\n可是呢你跟我們要求的預算書裡面說24小時集中處理的服務但是你左邊的熱線只到晚上10點但是線上申訴是24小時好兩個風險第一個他可能就付錢嗎第二個過了這幾個小時他的影片都不知道傳到哪裡去了更多網站都擁有他的影片你覺得這樣子的設計是對的嗎因為這些事情對不起主席最後兩分鐘對\n\n35\n00:12:43,212 --> 00:13:07,907\n這些這個服務不是應該要延續到他事發的最高峰時間嗎?這部分當然我們可以檢討啦但是事實上24小時的一個處理的一個機制的話他還是有成本的好有成本但是你有編預算而且你的預算有寫是24小時處理這個我等一下也會做一個臨時提案具體的建議好嗎?\n\n36\n00:13:09,755 --> 00:13:29,435\n最後我想問一下這是很多醫護人員非常關心的你3月8號說你這個夜間獎勵金一定會發放所以這些人沒有走上街頭結果過了一個月呢很多醫院已經把錢給護理人員了然後現在醫院都沒有拿到錢最後你說都卡在主計部門\n\n37\n00:13:30,896 --> 00:13:52,628\n所以請問這個什麼時候他們才拿到錢?這些是很多醫院很關心,所以我一定要幫忙問兩件事情,第一個就是二月的部分的話已經是發給醫院了就依照原來的那個月班費的比例對,但是那個是最後來要提高調高的這部分的話的確是還在行政院還沒有批下來什麼時候?\n\n38\n00:13:55,150 --> 00:14:20,405\n最近應該是會啦因為沒有多久前那個副院長有召開一個協調會議我們跟主席總署這個本席上次就質詢過了你的這個辦法大年初七偷渡的這個辦法非常有問題連主席總署都已經發現了所以你也會覺得說你是不是應該要再修改一下不然主席總署怎麼會通過呢\n\n39\n00:14:21,265 --> 00:14:24,989\n這應該沒有問題啦,這已經跟主席所協調好,等一下我也會有臨時提案,會請您報告謝謝,謝謝主席好,謝謝陳金輝委員的質詢\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n9417\t19526\t主席、各位委員、各位媒體朋友、各位官員、大家早安。我想請部長還有法務部的代表。好,我們請部長還有法務部的副司長。\n25909\t51459\t早安部長還有我們法務部的副司長上個週末呢網路上其實有非常多人看到這位藝人又有兩個未成年的受害者跳出來並且公布他們當初如何被誘拐誘騙去拍攝私密的照片以及私密的影片的經過包括這位藝人當時的錄音檔然後瘋傳在網路上啦\n52139\t79865\t我是想請教一下我們有韓國的前車之鑑當初呢韓國有兩百萬人走上街頭要求法務部公開這些加害者的資料因為現在很多人關心大家都知道說這些非法的偷拍網站上面偷拍的場域遍佈了我們台灣的名校哦明星女高中還有大學還有一些公共的場所等等的好\n81545\t91536\t大家已經對於這個藝人受到侵犯非常的不開心畢竟擁有未成年私密影像是一件大事結果呢根據2022年7月就有員警在媒體的這個採訪中\n96742\t116031\t具名去表示說2022年7月創意私房就已經有6000個會員還有一個觸感空間有1200個會員但是你到2024年4月封網你覺得封網前部長你知道你封網前到底創意私房又多了幾個會員嗎這我不清楚\n119013\t144288\t是但這件事情滋事體大因為已經延燒了非常的久我不希望我們像韓國一樣必須要全民發起抗議引發怒火然後你們才開始公布這些偵查的結果我是想知道說法務部有沒有什麼想法你們到底多久想要公開一下這個你們偵查的進度還有現在受害者有多少\n145409\t151627\t還有這個千千萬萬的黃子嬌這些購買未成年私密影片的人到底還有多少?\n153029\t153489\t有我把這一頁調出來了\n181425\t208256\t所以你覺得這件事情有沒有涉及公共利益還有涉及社會矚目的關鍵是報告委員因為案件是由地檢署的檢察官承辦那如果要公佈相關的訊息要由地檢署的檢察官來判斷所以要地檢署的檢察官來判斷說是不是符合偵查不公開作業辦法第8條上面所講的有您看一下右上角的新聞事件也認為因為創意私房涉及這個溫泉的偷拍片也很多人去過這個溫泉嘛\n210077\t229725\t所以他們覺得將適度公開偵查的程序這部分我們尊重是林地簡的判斷對所以你們我也想請問薛部長您重視了這麼多婦幼的議題現在有這麼多婦幼因為這樣子私密偷拍受到影響你會不會也覺得法務部應該要適度的公開他的偵查程序\n231216\t245575\t公開偵查程序的話有幾個重要的這個點第一個就是說他為了偵查本身順利的話公開會有助於他的偵查進行\n246736\t263090\t第二個的話就是涉及到公共利益所謂公共利益就是公開來預防更多人的受害我上個禮拜接到一個陳情人他就是創意私房的受害者他說在這個偷拍的網站上面有各種不同的樣貌\n263951\t278525\t他自己的那一個category他的目錄總表就是布滿了這個高學歷的人啊等等的他是一個很知名的演講者所以偷拍者是跟著他到他演講的地方的廁所去拍的所以\n279806\t302964\t像這樣子不同的樣貌那裡面還有女高中生的還有在百貨公司的像這樣子你覺得不應該要讓大家知道說哪些地方應該要加強查緝他的廁所加強去偵測是不是有偷拍器或者是請家長告訴自己的小孩進去上廁所以前是不是要小心注意哪些這些難道不是公共利益嗎\n306420\t316585\t當然不是公開個案但是法務部可以做到的是在你們這些徵訊的過程你們有發現哪一些地方是高風險的地方這些你們應該是可以公開的吧\n333935\t357851\t向委員報告就如同委員所說的就是市林地檢他們現在已經受到適度的公開偵查程序所以如果沒有涉及個案只是預警一下說什麼地方可能是高風險區域的話那我們尊重市林地檢所的判斷好所以現在全民他的感受度就是大家看新聞看一些記者的深度調查可能都還比看法務部衛福部的報告還要快接下來謝謝法務部\n360066\t375522\t我們看到你的這個性影像處理中心去年8月成立當時標榜的是可以快速下架全球都適用境外平台不再束手無策結果過短短三個月\n376583\t397678\t11月保護司司長就跑出來說我們的成案率遇到瓶頸只有25%好為什麼成案率這麼低申訴的人這麼多只有25%申訴成功其中包括三大瓶頸大概就是第一個他提供的性影像沒有辦法辨識是不是他本人第二呢\n398719\t406203\t這些網站很多是境外網站你跟他聯絡他根本不理你啊甚至要求你還要加入會員才可以跟他聯絡第三你們的申訴網站是寄信過去然後你會打電話回來很多人以為你們是詐騙集團所以沒有接電話因此你的報告寫得很漂亮你下架了600個700個影片\n421832\t431695\t但是75%的申訴人他根本就沒有被處理欸因為你們的承認率極低啊你有想出改善承認率的方法了嗎?\n433046\t437869\t好,剛很多委員已經問到了所以你們現在的成案率到底是多少?有提高了嗎?去年11月是25%啊\n464894\t488823\t通常來說大概是案件總計以112年8月開始到今年的3月31總共有2901個案件目前來講有網址也就是說成案的部分大概767所以事實上\n490053\t517398\t兩千多跟七百六十七好我想這樣子大家看到這樣子的數據可能也覺得性影像處理中心的他也不太敢再使用了啦剛剛有很多人遇到這一個就是民眾有時候就信心還沒有建立或者是說他不習慣把這一個他發現的這種網頁網址把它登記下來所以提供的訊息是有誤的這沒有辦法如果是訊息有誤我們\n517918\t546529\t好像跟你11月新聞稿不太一樣但是沒有關係剛有很多委員問到你的流程圖我也到保護司把你的流程圖找出來結果啊流程圖居然是4年前109年至今喔都沒有更新最大的問題我把它圈起來最大的問題是境外IP齁你只有通知教育部中華電信完全沒有速發部的角色啊\n546949\t560466\t自從訴發部成立以後從來沒有想過要把訴發部拉進來這個流程圖難怪你找這些違法的平台要花這麼久的時間因為照你這些SOP訴發部就置身事外啊\n564357\t591163\t這個是有關於兒童少年權益保障法的部分的處理流程那它裡面有這種所謂的網際網路的相關的這些規範但是它比較focus的是說這一些不是說以兒少為內容而是說如何來避免兒少所以你的意思是說境外IP速發布就\n591963\t596027\t沒事了?那你今天會想要修改這個流程圖嗎?因為你剛剛跟你願請委員說你還要花蠻長的時間才可以修改完成嗎?你也會把這個涵蓋進去嗎?現在我說要修改的時間可能要給一點時間要比較長的時間\n610380\t628234\t是有兩個部分我還是說第一個部分就是目前影片下架單獨影片下架的機制我們這個要來改因為上個禮拜的那個案子就是說我們如果依循著那個施行細則五至七條的話\n629435\t646211\t那這個就程序就比較長所以我們上一次就用行政執行法跟這個第8條上次是因為有別的委員質詢到你才開始做的如果沒有委員質詢其實你們就沒有要做了這是上禮拜被質詢你才做的那委員我跟你們報告\n648583\t674573\t這個法規定在那個地方我們也不能說不執行啦施行細則所以其實上個禮拜那樣子的處理方式跳過施行細則的話是有一些法律風險的好 所以你這個表請你納入書發佈可以嗎這可以啦4年沒有更新的表也請你納入書發佈再來啊 這個也是最近一篇報導現在的男性受害人也越來越多有一個人叫阿力\n675333\t696200\t他對網路是熟悉的所以他知道有你們這個影像處理中心的救濟辦法因此他半夜一兩點被網友詐騙說要裸聊的時候好他不小心拍了影片他在這篇報導中很詳細的描述他的心情啊他說他一兩點被拍非常的後悔因為那個人馬上要跟他勒索\n697120\t700281\t結果呢他查你們影像處女中心九點才開門九點才可以打電話他躺在床上從一兩點躺到九點徹夜難眠好這件事有兩個風險第一他可能就把錢付出去囉\n711786\t732919\t因為誰會發生私密騙外流當然是晚上啊誰白天在跟人家裸聊就是晚上就是發生了高風險你的113家報都知道說要設24小時結果你的性影像處理中心只有開到10點然後10點以後就大家叫大家寄email進來\n734320\t761269\t可是呢你跟我們要求的預算書裡面說24小時集中處理的服務但是你左邊的熱線只到晚上10點但是線上申訴是24小時好兩個風險第一個他可能就付錢嗎第二個過了這幾個小時他的影片都不知道傳到哪裡去了更多網站都擁有他的影片你覺得這樣子的設計是對的嗎因為這些事情對不起主席最後兩分鐘對\n763212\t787907\t這些這個服務不是應該要延續到他事發的最高峰時間嗎?這部分當然我們可以檢討啦但是事實上24小時的一個處理的一個機制的話他還是有成本的好有成本但是你有編預算而且你的預算有寫是24小時處理這個我等一下也會做一個臨時提案具體的建議好嗎?\n789755\t809435\t最後我想問一下這是很多醫護人員非常關心的你3月8號說你這個夜間獎勵金一定會發放所以這些人沒有走上街頭結果過了一個月呢很多醫院已經把錢給護理人員了然後現在醫院都沒有拿到錢最後你說都卡在主計部門\n810896\t832628\t所以請問這個什麼時候他們才拿到錢?這些是很多醫院很關心,所以我一定要幫忙問兩件事情,第一個就是二月的部分的話已經是發給醫院了就依照原來的那個月班費的比例對,但是那個是 最後來要提高調高的這部分的話的確是還在行政院還沒有批下來什麼時候?\n835150\t860405\t最近應該是會啦因為沒有多久前那個副院長有召開一個協調會議我們跟主席總署這個本席上次就質詢過了你的這個辦法大年初七偷渡的這個辦法非常有問題連主席總署都已經發現了所以你也會覺得說你是不是應該要再修改一下不然主席總署怎麼會通過呢\n861265\t864989\t這應該沒有問題啦,這已經跟主席所協調好,等一下我也會有臨時提案,會請您報告謝謝,謝謝主席好,謝謝陳金輝委員的質詢\n","txt":"主席、各位委員、各位媒體朋友、各位官員、大家早安。我想請部長還有法務部的代表。好,我們請部長還有法務部的副司長。\n早安部長還有我們法務部的副司長上個週末呢網路上其實有非常多人看到這位藝人又有兩個未成年的受害者跳出來並且公布他們當初如何被誘拐誘騙去拍攝私密的照片以及私密的影片的經過包括這位藝人當時的錄音檔然後瘋傳在網路上啦\n我是想請教一下我們有韓國的前車之鑑當初呢韓國有兩百萬人走上街頭要求法務部公開這些加害者的資料因為現在很多人關心大家都知道說這些非法的偷拍網站上面偷拍的場域遍佈了我們台灣的名校哦明星女高中還有大學還有一些公共的場所等等的好\n大家已經對於這個藝人受到侵犯非常的不開心畢竟擁有未成年私密影像是一件大事結果呢根據2022年7月就有員警在媒體的這個採訪中\n具名去表示說2022年7月創意私房就已經有6000個會員還有一個觸感空間有1200個會員但是你到2024年4月封網你覺得封網前部長你知道你封網前到底創意私房又多了幾個會員嗎這我不清楚\n是但這件事情滋事體大因為已經延燒了非常的久我不希望我們像韓國一樣必須要全民發起抗議引發怒火然後你們才開始公布這些偵查的結果我是想知道說法務部有沒有什麼想法你們到底多久想要公開一下這個你們偵查的進度還有現在受害者有多少\n還有這個千千萬萬的黃子嬌這些購買未成年私密影片的人到底還有多少?\n有我把這一頁調出來了\n所以你覺得這件事情有沒有涉及公共利益還有涉及社會矚目的關鍵是報告委員因為案件是由地檢署的檢察官承辦那如果要公佈相關的訊息要由地檢署的檢察官來判斷所以要地檢署的檢察官來判斷說是不是符合偵查不公開作業辦法第8條上面所講的有您看一下右上角的新聞事件也認為因為創意私房涉及這個溫泉的偷拍片也很多人去過這個溫泉嘛\n所以他們覺得將適度公開偵查的程序這部分我們尊重是林地簡的判斷對所以你們我也想請問薛部長您重視了這麼多婦幼的議題現在有這麼多婦幼因為這樣子私密偷拍受到影響你會不會也覺得法務部應該要適度的公開他的偵查程序\n公開偵查程序的話有幾個重要的這個點第一個就是說他為了偵查本身順利的話公開會有助於他的偵查進行\n第二個的話就是涉及到公共利益所謂公共利益就是公開來預防更多人的受害我上個禮拜接到一個陳情人他就是創意私房的受害者他說在這個偷拍的網站上面有各種不同的樣貌\n他自己的那一個category他的目錄總表就是布滿了這個高學歷的人啊等等的他是一個很知名的演講者所以偷拍者是跟著他到他演講的地方的廁所去拍的所以\n像這樣子不同的樣貌那裡面還有女高中生的還有在百貨公司的像這樣子你覺得不應該要讓大家知道說哪些地方應該要加強查緝他的廁所加強去偵測是不是有偷拍器或者是請家長告訴自己的小孩進去上廁所以前是不是要小心注意哪些這些難道不是公共利益嗎\n當然不是公開個案但是法務部可以做到的是在你們這些徵訊的過程你們有發現哪一些地方是高風險的地方這些你們應該是可以公開的吧\n向委員報告就如同委員所說的就是市林地檢他們現在已經受到適度的公開偵查程序所以如果沒有涉及個案只是預警一下說什麼地方可能是高風險區域的話那我們尊重市林地檢所的判斷好所以現在全民他的感受度就是大家看新聞看一些記者的深度調查可能都還比看法務部衛福部的報告還要快接下來謝謝法務部\n我們看到你的這個性影像處理中心去年8月成立當時標榜的是可以快速下架全球都適用境外平台不再束手無策結果過短短三個月\n11月保護司司長就跑出來說我們的成案率遇到瓶頸只有25%好為什麼成案率這麼低申訴的人這麼多只有25%申訴成功其中包括三大瓶頸大概就是第一個他提供的性影像沒有辦法辨識是不是他本人第二呢\n這些網站很多是境外網站你跟他聯絡他根本不理你啊甚至要求你還要加入會員才可以跟他聯絡第三你們的申訴網站是寄信過去然後你會打電話回來很多人以為你們是詐騙集團所以沒有接電話因此你的報告寫得很漂亮你下架了600個700個影片\n但是75%的申訴人他根本就沒有被處理欸因為你們的承認率極低啊你有想出改善承認率的方法了嗎?\n好,剛很多委員已經問到了所以你們現在的成案率到底是多少?有提高了嗎?去年11月是25%啊\n通常來說大概是案件總計以112年8月開始到今年的3月31總共有2901個案件目前來講有網址也就是說成案的部分大概767所以事實上\n兩千多跟七百六十七好我想這樣子大家看到這樣子的數據可能也覺得性影像處理中心的他也不太敢再使用了啦剛剛有很多人遇到這一個就是民眾有時候就信心還沒有建立或者是說他不習慣把這一個他發現的這種網頁網址把它登記下來所以提供的訊息是有誤的這沒有辦法如果是訊息有誤我們\n好像跟你11月新聞稿不太一樣但是沒有關係剛有很多委員問到你的流程圖我也到保護司把你的流程圖找出來結果啊流程圖居然是4年前109年至今喔都沒有更新最大的問題我把它圈起來最大的問題是境外IP齁你只有通知教育部中華電信完全沒有速發部的角色啊\n自從訴發部成立以後從來沒有想過要把訴發部拉進來這個流程圖難怪你找這些違法的平台要花這麼久的時間因為照你這些SOP訴發部就置身事外啊\n這個是有關於兒童少年權益保障法的部分的處理流程那它裡面有這種所謂的網際網路的相關的這些規範但是它比較focus的是說這一些不是說以兒少為內容而是說如何來避免兒少所以你的意思是說境外IP速發布就\n沒事了?那你今天會想要修改這個流程圖嗎?因為你剛剛跟你願請委員說你還要花蠻長的時間才可以修改完成嗎?你也會把這個涵蓋進去嗎?現在我說要修改的時間可能要給一點時間要比較長的時間\n是有兩個部分我還是說第一個部分就是目前影片下架單獨影片下架的機制我們這個要來改因為上個禮拜的那個案子就是說我們如果依循著那個施行細則五至七條的話\n那這個就程序就比較長所以我們上一次就用行政執行法跟這個第8條上次是因為有別的委員質詢到你才開始做的如果沒有委員質詢其實你們就沒有要做了這是上禮拜被質詢你才做的那委員我跟你們報告\n這個法規定在那個地方我們也不能說不執行啦施行細則所以其實上個禮拜那樣子的處理方式跳過施行細則的話是有一些法律風險的好 所以你這個表請你納入書發佈可以嗎這可以啦4年沒有更新的表也請你納入書發佈再來啊 這個也是最近一篇報導現在的男性受害人也越來越多有一個人叫阿力\n他對網路是熟悉的所以他知道有你們這個影像處理中心的救濟辦法因此他半夜一兩點被網友詐騙說要裸聊的時候好他不小心拍了影片他在這篇報導中很詳細的描述他的心情啊他說他一兩點被拍非常的後悔因為那個人馬上要跟他勒索\n結果呢他查你們影像處女中心九點才開門九點才可以打電話他躺在床上從一兩點躺到九點徹夜難眠好這件事有兩個風險第一他可能就把錢付出去囉\n因為誰會發生私密騙外流當然是晚上啊誰白天在跟人家裸聊就是晚上就是發生了高風險你的113家報都知道說要設24小時結果你的性影像處理中心只有開到10點然後10點以後就大家叫大家寄email進來\n可是呢你跟我們要求的預算書裡面說24小時集中處理的服務但是你左邊的熱線只到晚上10點但是線上申訴是24小時好兩個風險第一個他可能就付錢嗎第二個過了這幾個小時他的影片都不知道傳到哪裡去了更多網站都擁有他的影片你覺得這樣子的設計是對的嗎因為這些事情對不起主席最後兩分鐘對\n這些這個服務不是應該要延續到他事發的最高峰時間嗎?這部分當然我們可以檢討啦但是事實上24小時的一個處理的一個機制的話他還是有成本的好有成本但是你有編預算而且你的預算有寫是24小時處理這個我等一下也會做一個臨時提案具體的建議好嗎?\n最後我想問一下這是很多醫護人員非常關心的你3月8號說你這個夜間獎勵金一定會發放所以這些人沒有走上街頭結果過了一個月呢很多醫院已經把錢給護理人員了然後現在醫院都沒有拿到錢最後你說都卡在主計部門\n所以請問這個什麼時候他們才拿到錢?這些是很多醫院很關心,所以我一定要幫忙問兩件事情,第一個就是二月的部分的話已經是發給醫院了就依照原來的那個月班費的比例對,但是那個是 最後來要提高調高的這部分的話的確是還在行政院還沒有批下來什麼時候?\n最近應該是會啦因為沒有多久前那個副院長有召開一個協調會議我們跟主席總署這個本席上次就質詢過了你的這個辦法大年初七偷渡的這個辦法非常有問題連主席總署都已經發現了所以你也會覺得說你是不是應該要再修改一下不然主席總署怎麼會通過呢\n這應該沒有問題啦,這已經跟主席所協調好,等一下我也會有臨時提案,會請您報告謝謝,謝謝主席好,謝謝陳金輝委員的質詢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:09.417 --> 00:19.526\n主席、各位委員、各位媒體朋友、各位官員、大家早安。我想請部長還有法務部的代表。好,我們請部長還有法務部的副司長。\n\n00:25.909 --> 00:51.459\n早安部長還有我們法務部的副司長上個週末呢網路上其實有非常多人看到這位藝人又有兩個未成年的受害者跳出來並且公布他們當初如何被誘拐誘騙去拍攝私密的照片以及私密的影片的經過包括這位藝人當時的錄音檔然後瘋傳在網路上啦\n\n00:52.139 --> 01:19.865\n我是想請教一下我們有韓國的前車之鑑當初呢韓國有兩百萬人走上街頭要求法務部公開這些加害者的資料因為現在很多人關心大家都知道說這些非法的偷拍網站上面偷拍的場域遍佈了我們台灣的名校哦明星女高中還有大學還有一些公共的場所等等的好\n\n01:21.545 --> 01:31.536\n大家已經對於這個藝人受到侵犯非常的不開心畢竟擁有未成年私密影像是一件大事結果呢根據2022年7月就有員警在媒體的這個採訪中\n\n01:36.742 --> 01:56.031\n具名去表示說2022年7月創意私房就已經有6000個會員還有一個觸感空間有1200個會員但是你到2024年4月封網你覺得封網前部長你知道你封網前到底創意私房又多了幾個會員嗎這我不清楚\n\n01:59.013 --> 02:24.288\n是但這件事情滋事體大因為已經延燒了非常的久我不希望我們像韓國一樣必須要全民發起抗議引發怒火然後你們才開始公布這些偵查的結果我是想知道說法務部有沒有什麼想法你們到底多久想要公開一下這個你們偵查的進度還有現在受害者有多少\n\n02:25.409 --> 02:31.627\n還有這個千千萬萬的黃子嬌這些購買未成年私密影片的人到底還有多少?\n\n02:33.029 --> 02:33.489\n有我把這一頁調出來了\n\n03:01.425 --> 03:28.256\n所以你覺得這件事情有沒有涉及公共利益還有涉及社會矚目的關鍵是報告委員因為案件是由地檢署的檢察官承辦那如果要公佈相關的訊息要由地檢署的檢察官來判斷所以要地檢署的檢察官來判斷說是不是符合偵查不公開作業辦法第8條上面所講的有您看一下右上角的新聞事件也認為因為創意私房涉及這個溫泉的偷拍片也很多人去過這個溫泉嘛\n\n03:30.077 --> 03:49.725\n所以他們覺得將適度公開偵查的程序這部分我們尊重是林地簡的判斷對所以你們我也想請問薛部長您重視了這麼多婦幼的議題現在有這麼多婦幼因為這樣子私密偷拍受到影響你會不會也覺得法務部應該要適度的公開他的偵查程序\n\n03:51.216 --> 04:05.575\n公開偵查程序的話有幾個重要的這個點第一個就是說他為了偵查本身順利的話公開會有助於他的偵查進行\n\n04:06.736 --> 04:23.090\n第二個的話就是涉及到公共利益所謂公共利益就是公開來預防更多人的受害我上個禮拜接到一個陳情人他就是創意私房的受害者他說在這個偷拍的網站上面有各種不同的樣貌\n\n04:23.951 --> 04:38.525\n他自己的那一個category他的目錄總表就是布滿了這個高學歷的人啊等等的他是一個很知名的演講者所以偷拍者是跟著他到他演講的地方的廁所去拍的所以\n\n04:39.806 --> 05:02.964\n像這樣子不同的樣貌那裡面還有女高中生的還有在百貨公司的像這樣子你覺得不應該要讓大家知道說哪些地方應該要加強查緝他的廁所加強去偵測是不是有偷拍器或者是請家長告訴自己的小孩進去上廁所以前是不是要小心注意哪些這些難道不是公共利益嗎\n\n05:06.420 --> 05:16.585\n當然不是公開個案但是法務部可以做到的是在你們這些徵訊的過程你們有發現哪一些地方是高風險的地方這些你們應該是可以公開的吧\n\n05:33.935 --> 05:57.851\n向委員報告就如同委員所說的就是市林地檢他們現在已經受到適度的公開偵查程序所以如果沒有涉及個案只是預警一下說什麼地方可能是高風險區域的話那我們尊重市林地檢所的判斷好所以現在全民他的感受度就是大家看新聞看一些記者的深度調查可能都還比看法務部衛福部的報告還要快接下來謝謝法務部\n\n06:00.066 --> 06:15.522\n我們看到你的這個性影像處理中心去年8月成立當時標榜的是可以快速下架全球都適用境外平台不再束手無策結果過短短三個月\n\n06:16.583 --> 06:37.678\n11月保護司司長就跑出來說我們的成案率遇到瓶頸只有25%好為什麼成案率這麼低申訴的人這麼多只有25%申訴成功其中包括三大瓶頸大概就是第一個他提供的性影像沒有辦法辨識是不是他本人第二呢\n\n06:38.719 --> 06:46.203\n這些網站很多是境外網站你跟他聯絡他根本不理你啊甚至要求你還要加入會員才可以跟他聯絡第三你們的申訴網站是寄信過去然後你會打電話回來很多人以為你們是詐騙集團所以沒有接電話因此你的報告寫得很漂亮你下架了600個700個影片\n\n07:01.832 --> 07:11.695\n但是75%的申訴人他根本就沒有被處理欸因為你們的承認率極低啊你有想出改善承認率的方法了嗎?\n\n07:13.046 --> 07:17.869\n好,剛很多委員已經問到了所以你們現在的成案率到底是多少?有提高了嗎?去年11月是25%啊\n\n07:44.894 --> 08:08.823\n通常來說大概是案件總計以112年8月開始到今年的3月31總共有2901個案件目前來講有網址也就是說成案的部分大概767所以事實上\n\n08:10.053 --> 08:37.398\n兩千多跟七百六十七好我想這樣子大家看到這樣子的數據可能也覺得性影像處理中心的他也不太敢再使用了啦剛剛有很多人遇到這一個就是民眾有時候就信心還沒有建立或者是說他不習慣把這一個他發現的這種網頁網址把它登記下來所以提供的訊息是有誤的這沒有辦法如果是訊息有誤我們\n\n08:37.918 --> 09:06.529\n好像跟你11月新聞稿不太一樣但是沒有關係剛有很多委員問到你的流程圖我也到保護司把你的流程圖找出來結果啊流程圖居然是4年前109年至今喔都沒有更新最大的問題我把它圈起來最大的問題是境外IP齁你只有通知教育部中華電信完全沒有速發部的角色啊\n\n09:06.949 --> 09:20.466\n自從訴發部成立以後從來沒有想過要把訴發部拉進來這個流程圖難怪你找這些違法的平台要花這麼久的時間因為照你這些SOP訴發部就置身事外啊\n\n09:24.357 --> 09:51.163\n這個是有關於兒童少年權益保障法的部分的處理流程那它裡面有這種所謂的網際網路的相關的這些規範但是它比較focus的是說這一些不是說以兒少為內容而是說如何來避免兒少所以你的意思是說境外IP速發布就\n\n09:51.963 --> 09:56.027\n沒事了?那你今天會想要修改這個流程圖嗎?因為你剛剛跟你願請委員說你還要花蠻長的時間才可以修改完成嗎?你也會把這個涵蓋進去嗎?現在我說要修改的時間可能要給一點時間要比較長的時間\n\n10:10.380 --> 10:28.234\n是有兩個部分我還是說第一個部分就是目前影片下架單獨影片下架的機制我們這個要來改因為上個禮拜的那個案子就是說我們如果依循著那個施行細則五至七條的話\n\n10:29.435 --> 10:46.211\n那這個就程序就比較長所以我們上一次就用行政執行法跟這個第8條上次是因為有別的委員質詢到你才開始做的如果沒有委員質詢其實你們就沒有要做了這是上禮拜被質詢你才做的那委員我跟你們報告\n\n10:48.583 --> 11:14.573\n這個法規定在那個地方我們也不能說不執行啦施行細則所以其實上個禮拜那樣子的處理方式跳過施行細則的話是有一些法律風險的好所以你這個表請你納入書發佈可以嗎這可以啦4年沒有更新的表也請你納入書發佈再來啊這個也是最近一篇報導現在的男性受害人也越來越多有一個人叫阿力\n\n11:15.333 --> 11:36.200\n他對網路是熟悉的所以他知道有你們這個影像處理中心的救濟辦法因此他半夜一兩點被網友詐騙說要裸聊的時候好他不小心拍了影片他在這篇報導中很詳細的描述他的心情啊他說他一兩點被拍非常的後悔因為那個人馬上要跟他勒索\n\n11:37.120 --> 11:40.281\n結果呢他查你們影像處女中心九點才開門九點才可以打電話他躺在床上從一兩點躺到九點徹夜難眠好這件事有兩個風險第一他可能就把錢付出去囉\n\n11:51.786 --> 12:12.919\n因為誰會發生私密騙外流當然是晚上啊誰白天在跟人家裸聊就是晚上就是發生了高風險你的113家報都知道說要設24小時結果你的性影像處理中心只有開到10點然後10點以後就大家叫大家寄email進來\n\n12:14.320 --> 12:41.269\n可是呢你跟我們要求的預算書裡面說24小時集中處理的服務但是你左邊的熱線只到晚上10點但是線上申訴是24小時好兩個風險第一個他可能就付錢嗎第二個過了這幾個小時他的影片都不知道傳到哪裡去了更多網站都擁有他的影片你覺得這樣子的設計是對的嗎因為這些事情對不起主席最後兩分鐘對\n\n12:43.212 --> 13:07.907\n這些這個服務不是應該要延續到他事發的最高峰時間嗎?這部分當然我們可以檢討啦但是事實上24小時的一個處理的一個機制的話他還是有成本的好有成本但是你有編預算而且你的預算有寫是24小時處理這個我等一下也會做一個臨時提案具體的建議好嗎?\n\n13:09.755 --> 13:29.435\n最後我想問一下這是很多醫護人員非常關心的你3月8號說你這個夜間獎勵金一定會發放所以這些人沒有走上街頭結果過了一個月呢很多醫院已經把錢給護理人員了然後現在醫院都沒有拿到錢最後你說都卡在主計部門\n\n13:30.896 --> 13:52.628\n所以請問這個什麼時候他們才拿到錢?這些是很多醫院很關心,所以我一定要幫忙問兩件事情,第一個就是二月的部分的話已經是發給醫院了就依照原來的那個月班費的比例對,但是那個是最後來要提高調高的這部分的話的確是還在行政院還沒有批下來什麼時候?\n\n13:55.150 --> 14:20.405\n最近應該是會啦因為沒有多久前那個副院長有召開一個協調會議我們跟主席總署這個本席上次就質詢過了你的這個辦法大年初七偷渡的這個辦法非常有問題連主席總署都已經發現了所以你也會覺得說你是不是應該要再修改一下不然主席總署怎麼會通過呢\n\n14:21.265 --> 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