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00:01:13,846\n丹麥政府將我國人居留政上的出生地注記改為中國一事：部長有呼籲丹麥要尊重臺灣人民的自由意志：而且正是國際公認兩岸互不隸屬的這個事實：那部長就您提出來就呼籲了以後丹麥政府到目前為止有沒有做過什麼樣的調整：或者這個要會怎麼樣的發展\n\n4\n00:01:16,303 --> 00:01:33,358\n還沒有正式的調整但是我們可以感受到那個丹麥相關的這個部門尤其是他們外交部門對這件事情的這個重視那我們也期待說接下來沒有多久那個做法就會有所改善有可能改善嗎有可能改善那我們也會繼續的努力\n\n5\n00:01:34,497 --> 00:01:39,019\n因為部長萬一你調整職務以後那這個就是下一任部長的工作了那這個全世界最困難的工作我想其實在你的任內如果可以其實應該要把它完成因為為什麼我們提到丹麥這個距離我們比較遠可是我們看到另外一個就是今天有委員在詢問的部分我們新南向\n\n6\n00:01:57,927 --> 00:02:19,702\n因為包括丹麥我們可能也沒有辦法對它有什麼樣的強制的要求那我們出生地你的住地就是中國那我們國人完全沒有選擇的餘地在新南向我們著墨這麼多年的情況之下這一次我們委員會還有包括其他的委員其實去越南參加台商總會這個聯席會議的人數也不少\n\n7\n00:02:25,566 --> 00:02:27,188\n雖然包括我們的僑委會的委員長沒有辦法成行還有江副院長他的簽證也沒有下來我們在這裡也會發現到這樣的問題因為越南跟我們其實關係是非常密切的尤其像除了移工以外\n\n8\n00:02:46,085 --> 00:03:04,429\n僅次於印尼,到台灣來的移工人數也非常多,包括有婚姻狀態的,這個也非常的多。那越南在計畫投資部他們統計的資料,在2023年我國在越南投資的金額高達28億8千382萬美元,這個較他們去年同期的成長高達113.36%。\n\n9\n00:03:15,629 --> 00:03:15,669\n：馬文君\n\n10\n00:03:44,736 --> 00:04:02,136\n臺商會的這樣的一個活動我們大概也會受到這樣子的打壓那當然最重要的是越南政府的態度我們現在要說的其實中國的打壓是無所不在從過去到現在都有近幾年其實是更明顯那其實也凸顯了兩岸\n\n11\n00:04:04,358 --> 00:04:04,398\n：馬文君\n\n12\n00:04:25,908 --> 00:04:35,497\n包括像你說丹麥也好包括像其他的國家你說捷克或者像我們新南向的這些國家我們投入了這麼多的資源人力可是我們獲得的結果部長怎麼看\n\n13\n00:04:38,474 --> 00:05:00,779\n非常謝謝委員的確中國在國際社會上面打壓我國的這個案例是層出不窮那我們外交部這邊也是竭盡我們所有的這些能力希望能夠矯正其他國家對我們的這種打壓矮化的這些作為比如像丹麥的這個事情除了透過住管除了透過國際的友人以及國會議員之外那我的這個發聲\n\n14\n00:05:02,319 --> 00:05:31,321\n也會對當地的政府造成一些壓力所以我們會用各種最好的這種做法來改善其他國家對我們的對待的這種方式那有關於越南的事情的確是他們的受到中國的壓力是很大的所以才會採取這些對我們不友善的這些作為那接下來我們還是會透過其他不同的這種方式希望能夠改善我們在越南所受到的待遇\n\n15\n00:05:32,182 --> 00:05:34,725\n部長顯然我們不管做什麼樣子的改善其實是很難因為任何國家包括越南一些新南向的國家包括其他國家甚至包括美國日本韓國在我們認為的認知裡面\n\n16\n00:05:47,362 --> 00:05:57,611\n是我們理念相近的國家他們在考量國家利益的當下他甚至都會做不同的一些作為因應所以部長你未來有可能再進到國安會其實你的面向應該更廣\n\n17\n00:06:03,456 --> 00:06:03,496\n馬文君\n\n18\n00:06:22,961 --> 00:06:23,081\n：馬文君\n\n19\n00:06:40,283 --> 00:06:40,483\n：馬文君\n\n20\n00:06:55,879 --> 00:07:02,524\n我想這個可能是部長未來在這個部分其實要去考量的兩岸關係他其實非常重要他牽動的你不只是美中台或者美台或者美中我想其實最重要的兩岸關係還是請部長可以在這個部分可以再加強不然你再怎麼樣呼籲丹麥政府你再怎麼樣跟越南政府交涉都沒有用那這個部分我想其實\n\n21\n00:07:25,620 --> 00:07:27,641\n在這段時間之內,像部長也提到我們斷交很多,可是有沒有可能增加邦交國?\n\n22\n00:07:48,198 --> 00:07:59,765\n我們沒有排除任何的這個狀況剛剛委員所說的有一個陷阱我沒有跳進去我也不想跳進去就是說我現在還是外交部長那我會把外交部長的這個工作那如果是身為外交部長也應該要去考量這個部分那如果有可能是關那個陷阱不是我設的那媒體講的\n\n23\n00:08:09,670 --> 00:08:29,248\n好媒體設的這個陷阱我不會挑進去這樣子我只要是在目前的這個工作的這個範圍之內我一定做好我的這個工作了那有關於我們所面對的這個國際的局勢的確是有各式各樣的這個壓力但是也有一些可以讓我們掌握的這個機會比如說最近發生的事情就是\n\n24\n00:08:29,668 --> 00:08:29,708\n﹚馬文君\n\n25\n00:08:46,874 --> 00:08:51,998\n部長如果就你講的他們這一次到華府去參加這個我們釣魚台已經不見了所以我想任何國家他們我一直在強調任何國家他們考量的是他們國家本身的利益包括大國他們考量的是他們的整體發展還有對世界的控制性可是我們台灣其實對我們來說2300多萬的我們的人民其實我們考量的就是我們的安全還有我們的財產確保\n\n26\n00:09:16,357 --> 00:09:16,457\n﹚馬文君﹚\n\n27\n00:09:46,348 --> 00:09:48,991\n不喜歡自己做那也可以想辦法找適當的人做我們應該要怎麼樣面面俱到讓我們失去這樣的風險我想避免這樣的風險我想這是大家可以去考量的一個方向因為包括美國跟中國其實我們在講他們的競爭關係他們都還可以坐下來談\n\n28\n00:10:08,090 --> 00:10:14,094\n那只有談才可以讓很多的衝突去避免剛剛我們提到就邦交國有沒有可能增加這個部分因為美國拜登總統在上個月初簽署了太平洋國家這個部分包括密克羅尼西亞、馬紹爾群島、帛琉他們提供了71億美元大概新台幣2233億這樣子的一個金元自由聯合協定\n\n29\n00:10:36,067 --> 00:10:38,470\n這項協定除了援助資金以外也允許美軍進出這一片廣闊的海洋領土那為什麼提到這三個國家因為其中兩個是我們的友邦那另外米克羅尼西亞就本是知道的就是有掌握的媒體報導的啦\n\n30\n00:10:55,709 --> 00:11:01,612\n就是說去年初密克羅尼西亞政府曾經致信北京如果中國堅持武統台灣那該國就會跟美國結盟並且攻擊中國當時的密國總統也曾經跟部長接觸表達要跟台灣建交的意願那隨著美國在太平洋自由聯合協定的這樣簽訂以及我們國和會配合美國國際開發金融公司的資金投入\n\n31\n00:11:23,021 --> 00:11:25,283\n我想請教部長,我們有可能再增加一個邦交國嗎?\n\n32\n00:11:53,341 --> 00:11:59,607\n至於邦交會不會拓展的這個部分我們是沒有排除任何的可能性那也必須要努力來做\n\n33\n00:12:03,635 --> 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