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00:01:41,746\n各界給董事給韓院長說4月10號開會那媒體就講說4月10號沒有啊明明韓國院長當天有排定要接訪外賓啊那後來才又改成說4月17號那韓國院長也說沒有辦法出席因為他已經有既定的行程那吳釗燮部長被受訪的時候講到還原他居然講是說4月2號\n\n6\n00:01:43,047 --> 00:02:02,123\n有跟韓院長來報告那我想請教就本席也了解當天4月2號跟韓院長報告的時候並沒有講說什麼時候要開會是尊重院長的行程並且說之後再會詢問院長的行程可能方便的時間再訂令開會時間\n\n7\n00:02:04,568 --> 00:02:06,349\n有跟院長訂定哪一天開會?有\n\n8\n00:02:26,761 --> 00:02:53,621\n那院長有說他4月2號那一天你講清楚喔因為這個是本席得到的訊息本席也去做了解4月2號那一天你跟院長是怎麼講就是我們要舉行那有說要4月10號開會嗎有有說4月10號開會那院長怎麼說院長已經有公開的外賓的行程喔所以說他說他沒有辦法參加那沒有辦法參加那為什麼會發出4月10號開會的通知\n\n9\n00:02:56,296 --> 00:03:17,084\n因為根據這個財團法人法我們必須要還有我們這個民主基金會的章程我們在4月16號以前也就是說下一屆的董事上任之前的兩個月我們要選舉要推選新的董事所以那個時間包括財團法人法所規定的這個決算\n\n10\n00:03:18,524 --> 00:03:43,360\n要送出去的時間是要關帳嘛對不對重點是4月16號之前4月15號以前要關帳所以說要開會嘛但是當4月2號來重點來囉當4月2號部長拜訪院長的時候跟院長請教說4月10號開會好不好的時候院長已經在當天4月2號的會議明白的跟院部長講說當天他已經排定了外交這個外賓接待行程\n\n11\n00:03:43,720 --> 00:04:10,514\n然後你們還硬開會硬發開會通知當時本席的理解本席得到的資訊是說已經有表達4月10號院長沒有辦法出席了那你們講說回去會再演繹你們沒有講是說一定4月10號開會喔沒想到拜會完之後不到一個小時的時間就發出了開會通知你是不尊重院長還是不尊重還是你們不理解還是不尊重外賓\n\n12\n00:04:11,374 --> 00:04:30,522\n跟委員報告就是開會通知在事前有送到院長室那可能院長還沒有看到可是在部長跟院長報告的時候所以你們在4月來來來好好說清楚喔既然你在場非常好4月2號去拜會院長之前你們就已經確定了4月10號開會是這樣嗎\n\n13\n00:04:33,184 --> 00:05:01,671\n因為院長的行程非常的忙他還有院會要主持你只要回答本席這個問題4月2號拜訪的時候就已經確定4月10號開會不管院長有沒有空你們都沒有徵詢你們就已經先訂定了4月10號開會是不是院長的時間其實可以容許的太少了那我們這個時間4月10號其實事實上扣除院會之後每一個人沒有義務跟必要就像本席在之前也沒有看過說民主基金會原來4月15號以前要關帳啊\n\n14\n00:05:03,510 --> 00:05:27,664\n那你怎麼可以講說是因為院長可以永續的時間太少所以我就不用問你了我4月2號跟你拜會之前我就已經先發了4月10號的開會我不管你能不能來歡迎我就是開會那這樣不就是不尊重人嗎院長自己可以決定啦院長是民主基金會的當然董事來這位對不起請教您是我是NGO國際事務會陳剛毅好\n\n15\n00:05:30,460 --> 00:05:49,482\n陳執行長我們尊重院長陳執行長你完全不尊重院長剛剛本席這樣子詢答你完全不尊重院長第一4月2號部長去拜會院長之前就已經確定4月10號要開會你剛剛講是說院長可能有收到開會通知但是他沒看\n\n16\n00:05:50,143 --> 00:05:52,985\n這個時間是民主基金會跟院長室那邊也有講過那院長室就已經跟你講是說他有外賓接待啦那現在是怎樣又要推給民主基金會\n\n17\n00:06:16,109 --> 00:06:23,347\n能不能有一點點尬子再來當4月10號說外賓接待沒有辦法之後到最後你們又改成4月17才開會\n\n18\n00:06:25,873 --> 00:06:27,294\n那為什麼還要再發開會通知為什麼還沒有辦法改不就是不尊重人嗎所以\n\n19\n00:06:51,525 --> 00:07:13,781\n這個時間的過程其實事實上都有跟院長是在協調是不是本席講得非常清楚陳經理長我想今天我只是要做一個釐清跟大家外界再做一次說明利用這次的質詢時間把所有的時間序一五一十的說明清楚這是本席得到的資訊我想院長辦公室可能\n\n20\n00:07:16,164 --> 00:07:33,864\n認為說還是體恤我們的行政同仁但是該說的話或是正確的資訊我們還是要讓外界知道這才是真相而如果說連一個是董事長的人選當天要推派董事會要推派董事長董事長人選都可以那麼不尊重的話\n\n21\n00:07:34,304 --> 00:08:02,523\n那我真的覺得我們的行政體系也未免太看輕院長這個職務了吧是不尊重國會不尊重民主基金會還是不尊重韓院長我想大可不必這種政治操作再次強調中華民國的處境我們都知道不容易這是為什麼本席在上任的時候每一每都把青天白日滿地紅的國旗別在左胸就是時時刻刻警惕自己我除了是新北市第一選區的立法委員我還是中華民國的立法委員\n\n22\n00:08:03,183 --> 00:08:26,779\n但是各位外交官們大家在外面打拼我們都尊重我們也給予最大的協助可是如果說回到國內要用政治意識形態明明是院長兼任董事長就是慣例明明是董事長指派執行長這個是組織章程明確規定的都還有這樣子要卡的話那很抱歉要玩政治遊戲\n\n23\n00:08:28,160 --> 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