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00:00:39,819\n還有九億五千四百八十三萬那重要的是不只這次民脂民膏新潔部省紀部每一年在結算報告都提到這個這問題為什麼沒辦法解決為什麼一直都居高不下勒\n\n3\n00:00:41,949 --> 00:01:01,409\n我回答嗎?報告委員,這個住外我們現在幾乎有110個單位,那麼我們當初去設這個館的時候呢,我們做過很好的評估,怎麼樣比較合算,有做過,租好還是買好,這是第一點。\n\n4\n00:01:02,330 --> 00:01:16,746\n第二點呢當你要去買一個管社的時候你要做一個長期的評估第一個要注意到他的國家的政局穩不穩我們也碰到過買了管社然後斷交的事情這個是事實\n\n5\n00:01:19,508 --> 00:01:45,135\n所以我們不願意再做這種事情但是呢在某些國家我們認為我們的關係可以長久的維持而且增進所以這些管束是我們第一的目標市長對啦絕大部分一定都是長期持有嘛尤其現在是高通棚這個時代對不對對啊房價一直漲你做一個辦公室一直去那你如果長久要持有當然一定要是買嘛所以我看到有一個辦法2018年\n\n6\n00:01:48,035 --> 00:02:04,383\n你們還提出一個住外會館的要嘛就是買要嘛就是建的一個清單出來我今天要請教也是要幫人民看緊的合法治療問第一個審計部每一年都已經提要你們趕快買趕快建對不對2018年自己又提了一個清單阿為什麼執行力這麼差呢\n\n7\n00:02:06,070 --> 00:02:06,371\n市長我懂\n\n8\n00:02:34,904 --> 00:03:02,958\n抱歉抱歉我知道你們有在努力我現在知道你要跟全國民眾講兩個事情你們做了什麼努力還買不到還是見不到我剛回藍燈來嘛我跟這個馬偉很多這個草野的立委都去我們一外面去看我們的台商一外面我們去的看了我們這個駐越南的台南台北的這個經濟文化辦事處他們就很羨慕啊他們剛出來去看第一個我們的辦公處所確實擁擠了一點\n\n9\n00:03:04,699 --> 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