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00:01:03,233\n目前還在追查中?目前還在追查中,追查了4年但是都沒有任何的下文是這樣子嗎?\n\n4\n00:01:16,389 --> 00:01:32,667\n因為有一些證據蒐集的關係所以但是蔣官有持續積極在偵辦中這就是我覺得非常不積極的地方已經過了4年然後後續都還是不斷有新的受害者出現但是到現在你們卻沒有辦法掌握到\n\n5\n00:01:33,948 --> 00:01:57,113\n這個組謀到底是誰然後年級姓名君不詳那現在知道說這個主機在美國不知道說你們現在跟美國有沒有任何的就要談任何的司法互助或者是說請他們協助調查的部分跟委員報告因為這個部分個案在地檢署偵辦中那如果地檢署這邊認為有這個司法互助的需要的時候會請這個法務部的這個國兩司來協助\n\n6\n00:02:00,512 --> 00:02:24,571\n我是希望說我們法務部要趕快把這個正確的資訊掌握到然後趕快跟國人來報告說這個案子到現在你們掌握到什麼進度而不是到現在就是雙手一攤好像我們政府什麼事情都沒有辦法做那另外就是大家有提到說現在我們想要去掌握這整個偷拍論壇他們的犯罪的過程掌握金流是非常重要的\n\n7\n00:02:25,091 --> 00:02:47,639\n然後我們也知道說他們其實用了很多虛擬的貨幣來作為他們金流的工具那我也知道說現在剪掉為了要打擊這個詐騙案現在也有努力的在精進這種虛擬貨幣的偵查的手法所以我想知道的是這個案子現在已經4年了現在對於虛擬貨幣的分析你沒有掌握到這個到底相關的犯罪金額是多少嗎?\n\n8\n00:02:48,835 --> 00:03:17,684\n跟委員報告因為個案的部分法務部這邊沒有辦法介入所以這個部分是有檢管在偵查中那但是委員所提到那個虛擬貨幣這個分析的部分那確實如委員所說的因為他現在就是一個很重要的就很重要的一個手法然後所以呢因此在那個打砸綱領裡面我們高檢署這邊也有就是採購相關的這個金流分析的設備那我們有就是培訓這個檢查事務官也有在個案當中所以如果地檢署有需要這個金流分析的時候也都會請求高檢署協助\n\n9\n00:03:18,547 --> 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