{"id":151135,"url":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/151135","video_url":"https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3f8a1755e5400c0ea042072a1cf76a92bd5be8c4a3d24463f8ba9b0039caa7a68459c3e7c3e04de45ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8","委員名稱":"高金素梅","委員發言時間":"09:47:03 - 10:04:03","影片長度":"00:17:00","會議時間":"2024-04-15T09:00:00+08:00","會議名稱":"立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：邀請內政部部長、行政院主計總處副主計長、原住民族委員會、行政院公共工程委員會、交通部、交通部觀光署、環境部、勞動部、農業部、教育部、衛生福利部、經濟部、財政部、國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會、金融監督管理委員會就「0403震災之災後救助、重建規劃及補助方式」及「從東華實驗室失火事件檢討災害防救之完備化」進行專題報告，並備質詢。）","meet":{"tmpMeeting":null,"title":"第11屆第1會期內政委員會第11次全體委員會議","term":11,"type":"委員會","sessionPeriod":1,"sessionTimes":11,"committees":[15],"id":"委員會-11-1-15-11"},"date":"2024-04-15","duration":1020,"end_time":"2024-04-15T10:04:03+08:00","start_time":"2024-04-15T09:47:03+08:00","features":["ai-transcript","gazette"],"type":"Clip","gazette":{"lineno":621,"blocks":[["高金委員素梅：（9時47分）謝謝主席。在我質詢之前，在這裡先向第一線的救災、救難人員致上深深的謝意，辛苦你們了，在救災的同時也希望你們能夠保重自己的安全跟身體的健康，也謝謝這些家屬們願意奉獻你們的另外一半來參加這個救援的工作，非常的感謝，謝謝。","繼續我想要請一下衛福部的司長，還有財團法人賑災基金會的督導，還有原民會公建處的處長，請你們三位都上臺一下，為了節省時間，我先詢問一下。"],["主席：請。"],["高金委員素梅：衛福部裡面有財團法人賑災基金會、重大天然災害災民賑助核給要點，不管是死亡、失蹤、重傷、緊急救助、住宅重建的賑助，你們知道嗎？你們從97年起額度都沒有改變過，司長，你覺得是不是應該檢討？"],["蘇司長昭如：是，這個……"],["高金委員素梅：97年是40萬，現在也40萬，現在物價飛漲了，而且這麼多年以來都沒有改進，然而我們的賑災基金會，其實每一次重大災害的時候都有非常多的金額，像這次您報告的有九億多，請問一下我手上的這個資料，是各地方政府都有嗎？還是我請你們到辦公室的時候，才提供給我的？請問一下，這是公共工程委員會給我的對嗎？我們暫停一下時間，0403花蓮震災災害救協助事項一覽表，2024年4月4號9點修訂。"],["蘇司長昭如：是，這個是內政部彙整各部會可以協助的資源……"],["高金委員素梅：所以是內政部彙整的？"],["蘇司長昭如：是，所以各部會的資源都包括在裡面。"],["高金委員素梅：好，內政部彙整的資料，上面看到的，除了衛福部的災害慰問金、死亡慰問金，每個人發給新臺幣20萬之外，這是衛生福利部給的，對吧？"],["蘇司長昭如：對。"],["高金委員素梅：然後剩下死亡、失蹤、重傷、緊急救助、失依兒童，或者是緊急物資賑助，或者是住宅重建的重購賑助，或者是助學金補助，都是你們賑災基金會要做的事情對嗎？"],["蘇司長昭如：賑災基金會有這些項目，但是剛剛誠如我們內政部林部長……"],["高金委員素梅：督導在嗎？賑災基金會。"],["蘇司長昭如：在，陳督導。"],["高金委員素梅：督導，請您回我一下，你們這次募集了9億。"],["陳督導宗良：到目前，今天早上……"],["高金委員素梅：97年迄今，這些金額都沒有改變過，或者是0403你們有特別的金額補助？"],["陳督導宗良：我跟委員報告一下……"],["高金委員素梅：請你簡單的說明，回答我就好。"],["陳督導宗良：沒問題，我們原則上這是一個法定認助，但是我們募集到其他資源的時候，我們會以專案認助的方式來提供協助。"],["高金委員素梅：你們這次是用專案，你們給我的報告是0403專案，而且9億就必須用在這次0403花蓮的震災對吧？"],["陳督導宗良：全國的花蓮震災。"],["高金委員素梅：還是餘額完畢之後，你們還會去用到別的地方？"],["陳督導宗良：不會、不會，絕對會用在……"],["高金委員素梅：所以請你回答我問題，你死亡只有40萬，你們有9億耶！你覺得現在按照你們給我們的死亡、失蹤，還有你們這些修繕……你們沒有修繕喔！這個也是我要提醒您的喔！現在的災民其實最大的一個感受，就是我感受的天災，政府除了一般在政府機構協助我之外，我還有沒有一般在賑災基金會──你們從外面募集，不管是國內外的錢，能夠來協助我們災民解決這次的災害？簡單回應。"],["陳督導宗良：報告委員，我們還有其他包含復原重建、包含緊急收容安置，這些我們正在……"],["高金委員素梅：有，你現在告訴我的上面都有啊！所以我現在問你是不是專案專款專用？"],["陳督導宗良：是。"],["高金委員素梅：所以這個9億，甚至於到截止以前，可能會超過9億，你們全部都會放在災民的身上？"],["陳督導宗良：是的。"],["高金委員素梅：而不會放在公共工程的身上？"],["陳督導宗良：我們會全部用在災民身上。"],["高金委員素梅：好，所以我剛剛問你了，97年迄今你都沒有調整過金額，是不是應該考慮提高了？"],["陳督導宗良：跟委員報告，要不要調整的部分，我們已經在研議當中了，但是還是跟委員報告……"],["高金委員素梅：已經在研議？多久會讓我們知道？"],["陳督導宗良：我們要召開董事會來進一步討論。"],["高金委員素梅：你們董事會什麼時候開始？你們的善款都是來自於各界喔！你們要好好的跟各界報告喔！而且我清楚知道，從921大地震之後，有一些餘款你們就開始用，然後再用行政院的第二預備金2,000萬，一直到97年的時候成立這個基金會，然後從97年到現在，有那麼多的重大災害，有那麼多人捐款，雖然我們在網路上看到你們每一筆、每一筆的支出，但是有沒有真正用在災民或者是這次災害最嚴重的災區，你們是要檢討的，好不好？"],["陳督導宗良：好。"],["高金委員素梅：請你們檢討。司長，告訴我什麼時候你要檢討？"],["蘇司長昭如：是，跟委員報告……"],["高金委員素梅：什麼時候會有決議？"],["蘇司長昭如：這次的專案一定會用在指定的用途。"],["高金委員素梅：我知道因為是專案，專款專用，一定會用到，但是你們的比例、你們所有的動支，你們的董事會有沒有重新開會？還是97年以後就從來沒有開過會？"],["蘇司長昭如：沒有，都是定時開會。"],["高金委員素梅：對嘛！所以我要你們一個月之內趕快讓我知道，你們什麼時候要調整？還有0403來自於世界或國內所有的捐款，你們要怎麼用好嗎？謝謝，還有檢討。"],["蘇司長昭如：好，謝謝。"],["高金委員素梅：請原民會。"],["劉處長維哲：委員好。"],["高金委員素梅：原民會的輔助原住民急難救助實施要點，92年以來也沒有調整過。"],["劉處長維哲：是。"],["高金委員素梅：然後原住民的天然災害，原住民的住宅重建補助作業要點，你們100年以後也沒有調整過。"],["劉處長維哲：報告委員，這已經檢討，已經報到行政院去了。"],["高金委員素梅：好，什麼時候可以完成？"],["劉處長維哲：等院核定之後就可以實施。"],["高金委員素梅：好，我們看到原民會也有災害救助，有臨時工、有重建修繕、融資紓困，看到這麼多，除了災害救助之外，其實都是你們平常在做的，並不是0403……"],["劉處長維哲：對，我們用公務預算移緩濟急。"],["高金委員素梅：對不對？"],["劉處長維哲：我們用公務預算移緩濟急。"],["高金委員素梅：請問一下，你的臨時工每個小時183塊，每月最高150小時，最長兩個月，跟勞動部的有什麼不同？還是我們可以擇一？所以勞動部上面也不是你0403的專案嗎？麻煩你告訴我們……"],["劉處長維哲：如果勞動部的額度用完的話，可以再繼續用我們的額度。"],["高金委員素梅：什麼意思？你們只有兩個月啊？請問一下勞動部你們是幾個月？你們的安心上工，應該在0403你們也有一些措施對嗎？"],["鍾副署長錦季：是，跟委員報告，我們針對震災0403有提供……"],["高金委員素梅：請你簡單說就好了，你跟原民會之間是怎麼分工？"],["鍾副署長錦季：原民會針對原住民，勞動部這邊完全不分對象別，原住民我們也接收。"],["高金委員素梅：所以原民會是最長兩個月、你是半年？所以我的原住民身分既可以到勞動部，也可以到原民會的意思嗎？"],["鍾副署長錦季：只要時間不重疊是可以的。"],["高金委員素梅：我如果是原住民的話，我就希望是勞動部，因為是半年，原民會只有兩個月。"],["鍾副署長錦季：跟委員報告，委員的六個月是臨時工作津貼，但是我們針對0403的震災，我們目前有一個專案……"],["高金委員素梅：那請你簡單告訴我，我如果是原住民的身分，0403我要去原民會好還是去勞動部好？"],["鍾副署長錦季：我認為都可以，先來我們勞動部好了。"],["高金委員素梅：原民會只有兩個月啊！"],["鍾副署長錦季：沒關係，就來我們這裡，而且我們必要時都可以延長。"],["高金委員素梅：所以處長，你們是不是要檢討一下？你這裡只有兩個月，你是不是也應該是半年，跟勞動部一樣？你才會有所謂的專案啊！你根本不是專案。再來，重建修繕每戶11萬元。"],["劉處長維哲：我們都是兩個月，只是他們可以延長。"],["高金委員素梅：所以等於我是原住民身分，到了原民會這邊拿了兩個月之後，還可以去勞動部拿半年嗎？"],["劉處長維哲：時間不能重疊……"],["高金委員素梅：請你要講清楚，不要讓外界認為我們是有非常多的好處。"],["劉處長維哲：不能重疊。"],["高金委員素梅：不能重疊，到原民會去申請，就不能夠到勞動部去申請的意思嘛！"],["劉處長維哲：對。"],["鍾副署長錦季：同時間不可以。"],["高金委員素梅：對不對？"],["劉處長維哲：對。"],["高金委員素梅：而我們原住民的族人，我現在要講，請兩位注意聽一下，我希望災民要有類別的區分，比如死亡的、比如他是在職工作的、比如他的受災很嚴重的，而不是全權交給地方去處理，名單報給你了，你們就往上報，你們可不可以去審核一下？原民會、勞動部可以嗎？第一線可以去審核一下嗎？"],["鍾副署長錦季：是，跟委員報告，我們是受災民眾優先派工。"],["高金委員素梅：受災民眾？原民會呢？"],["劉處長維哲：我們也是一樣的標準。"],["高金委員素梅：受災民眾是怎麼樣分類別？"],["劉處長維哲：只要地方政府認定災民，登記有案就是。"],["高金委員素梅：所以是地方政府嘛！你知道長期以來，原住民地區最大的一個困擾就是地方政府全權處理，變成綁樁的一個工具，真正受害的這些災民們並沒有真正感受到。你們是不是要分門別類，而不是這麼大項的告訴大家，是什麼人都可以來？"],["鍾副署長錦季：是，跟委員報告，委員講的我們去處理……"],["高金委員素梅：檢討，一個月之內給我。原民會，還有修繕部分，修繕部分每戶最高11萬，請問一下住宅修繕，這次的災民有特別嗎？還是他是低收入戶者才行？一般的災民都行嗎？"],["劉處長維哲：只要認定有案的災民都可以來申請。"],["高金委員素梅：他如果不是低收入戶者也是可以嗎？"],["劉處長維哲：我們可以專案來處理。"],["高金委員素梅：到底有沒有專案？如果他是違建可不可以？你也知道原住民地區90%是違建。"],["劉處長維哲：只要出具里長證明他有居住事實就可以。"],["高金委員素梅：好，再講清楚一下，原住民如果要修繕應該怎麼做，請你簡單說明。"],["劉處長維哲：第一個，他如果設籍在他的戶籍門牌，即使不是有房屋的建照，但是他只要有居住的事實，經過里長認定就可以申請修繕。"],["高金委員素梅：所以不需要低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00:01:33,290\n97年前是40萬現在也40萬現在物價飛漲了而且這麼多年以來都沒有改進然後我們的震災基金會其實每一次重大災害的時候都有非常多的金額像這次您報告的有9億多請問一下我手上的這個資料是全各地方政府都有嗎還是我請你們到辦公室的時候才提供給我的\n\n5\n00:01:34,923 --> 00:01:37,104\n0403花蓮震災災害救協助事項一兩表2024年4月4日9點修訂\n\n6\n00:02:01,194 --> 00:02:27,015\n內政部會長的資料上面看到的除了衛福部的災害慰問金、死亡慰問金每個人發給新台幣20萬之外這是衛生福利部給的對吧?然後剩下死亡、失蹤、重傷、緊急救助、失憶兒童或是緊急物資贈助或是住宅重建的重構贈助或是住學金補助都是你們震災基金會要做的事情對嗎?\n\n7\n00:02:28,007 --> 00:02:32,049\n獨島在嗎?震災基金會獨島請您回我一下你們這次募集了9億然後97年當中這些金額都沒有改變過或者是04、03你們有特別的金額補助\n\n8\n00:02:50,270 --> 00:03:10,641\n我跟委員報告一下請你簡單的說明回答我就好我們原則上這是一個法定震住但是我們募集到其他的資源的時候我們會以專案震住的方式來提供協助你們這次是用專案嗎你們給我的報告是0403專案而且呢專案9億就必須用在0403這次花蓮的震災對吧\n\n9\n00:03:13,793 --> 00:03:25,183\n還是彼而完畢之後你們還會去用到別的地方?不會不會絕對會用在好所以我就請你回答我問題啊你這個死亡只有40萬你沒有9億欸你覺得現在按照你們給我們的死亡、失蹤還有你們這些修繕你們沒有修繕喔\n\n10\n00:03:32,890 --> 00:03:53,462\n我這個也是要提醒您的現在的災民其實最大的一個感受就是我感受的天災我的政府除了一般在政府機構協助我的之外我還有沒有一般在震災經濟會你們從外面募集不管是國內外的錢來協助我們災民可以解決這次的災害\n\n11\n00:03:55,190 --> 00:04:19,540\n簡單回應報告委員我們還有其他包含復原重建包含緊急收容安置這些我們真的已經有你現在告訴我的上面都有啊所以我現在問你是不是專案專款專用所以這個9億甚至於到31號以前可能會多出9億你們全部都會放在災民的身上而不會放在公共工程的身上\n\n12\n00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:35,636\n我們會全部用在災民身上好所以這個災民我剛剛問你了97年你都沒有調整過金額是不是應該考慮提高了是跟委員報告這個部分要不要調整的部分我們已經在研議當中了已經在研議多久會讓我們知道我們要召開董事會來進一步討論你們董事會什麼時候開始\n\n13\n00:04:44,056 --> 00:05:07,829\n你們的善款都是來自於各界喔你們要好好的跟各界報告喔而且我清楚知道從921大地震之後有一些餘款你們就開始用然後再用行政院的第二預備金2000萬然後才會一直到97年的時候成立這個基金會然後這個基金會當中97年到現在有那麼多的重大的災害有那麼多人的捐款\n\n14\n00:05:11,031 --> 00:05:23,209\n雖然我們在網路上看到你們每一筆每一筆的支出但是有沒有真正用在災民或者是這一次災害最嚴重的災區的地方你們是要檢討的好不好請你們檢討市長什麼時候告訴我你要檢討\n\n15\n00:05:28,388 --> 00:05:46,699\n什麼時候會有決議我真的非得用在因為是專案專款專用一定會用到但是你們的比例你們的所有的動資你們的董事會有沒有重新開會還是97年以後就從來沒有開過會對嘛所以我要你們一個月之內\n\n16\n00:05:53,002 --> 00:06:20,917\n趕快讓我知道你們什麼時候要調整0403的你們來自於世界或國內的所有的捐款你們要怎麼用好嗎謝謝還有檢討請原民會原民會的輔助原住民遭難救難實施要點92年也沒有調整過然後原住民的天然災害原住民的住宅重建補助最後要點你們100年以後也沒有調整過報告委員這一點檢討已經報告行政院去了\n\n17\n00:06:21,496 --> 00:06:44,469\n好,什麼事務可以完成?等月合定之後就可以實施好,我們看到你委員會裡面有災害救助、有臨時工、有重建、修繕、融資、紓困看到這麼多,除了災害救助之外,其實都是你們平常在做的?對,我們用公寓的隱患積極並不是0403,對不對?我們用公寓的隱患積極那請問一下,你的臨時工每個小時183塊,每月最高150小時,最長兩個月,跟勞委會有什麼不同?\n\n18\n00:06:51,295 --> 00:07:08,888\n還是我們可以折一?所以勞委會上面也不是你0403的專案嗎?如果勞委會他的額度用完的話可以再繼續用我們的額度什麼意思?你們只有兩個月啊請問一下勞委會你們是幾個月?你們安心上工?應該在0403你們也有一些措施嘛,對嗎?\n\n19\n00:07:09,830 --> 00:07:31,557\n是跟委員報告我們針對這個震災0403請你簡單說就好了你跟原民會之間的分工是怎麼分工法原民會針對原住民勞動部這邊完全不分對象別原住民我們也接收所以原民會是最長兩個月你是半年所以我的原住民的身份我既可以到勞委會也可以到原民會的意思嗎只要時間不重疊是可以的\n\n20\n00:07:32,077 --> 00:07:53,513\n那我如果是原住民的話,我就希望是勞委會,你們是半年啊,原民會就兩個月啊跟委員報告,我們委員的六個月是臨時工作津貼,但是我們針對0403的震災,我們目前有一個專案那請您簡單告訴我,我如果是原住民身份,我0403我要去原民會好還是去勞委會好我認為都可以,現在我們勞動部好了那委員會就兩個月啊,原民會就兩個月啊\n\n21\n00:07:57,112 --> 00:07:58,093\n我們都兩個月,只是他們可以延長\n\n22\n00:08:19,847 --> 00:08:38,276\n所以等於就是說我到了原住民身份到了原住民這邊拿了兩個月之後我還可以去勞委會拿半年嗎請你要講清楚不要讓外界認為我們是有非常多的好處不能重疊不能重疊只要原民會去申請就不能夠到勞委會去申請的意思嘛\n\n23\n00:08:40,797 --> 00:09:03,145\n然後呢我們的原住民的族人我現在要講請兩位注意聽一下我希望以災民要有類別的區分比如說死亡的比如說他是在職工作的比如說他的受災很嚴重的而不是全權交給地方去處理名單報給你了你們就往上報你們可以去審核審核一下\n\n24\n00:09:04,185 --> 00:09:08,690\n原民會、勞委會可以嗎第一線可以去審核一下嗎我們受災民眾優先派工受災民眾那原民會呢\n\n25\n00:09:15,801 --> 00:09:39,035\n受災民眾是怎樣分別?只要地方政府認定他有認定災民身體有礙就是你知道長期以來原住民地區最大的一個困擾就是地方政府全權處理變成綁裝的一個工具真正受害的這些災民們並沒有真正感受到你們是不是要分本別類而不是這麼大向的告訴大家我是什麼人都可以來\n\n26\n00:09:44,180 --> 00:10:04,773\n檢討一個月之內給我還有修繕部分修繕部分每戶最高11萬請問一下住宅修繕這次的災民有特別嗎還是他是低收入戶者才行一般的災民都行嗎只要認定有案災民都可以來那他如果不是低收入戶者也是可以嗎我們可以專案來處理\n\n27\n00:10:05,900 --> 00:10:33,013\n到底有沒有狀案?如果他是違建可不可以?你也知道90%只要出去里長證明他有居住事實就可以好再講清楚一下原住民如果要修繕應該怎麼做?請你簡單說明他第一個他如果涉及在他的戶籍門牌然後他即使不是有房屋的建造但是他只要有居住的事實經過里長認定就來可以申請所以不需要一般低收入戶一般三名都行\n\n28\n00:10:33,885 --> 00:10:57,356\n只要他認定有回損都行。」好,你今天要負責任,大家聽好了。好,現在請內政部長,謝謝。部長,我們剛剛看到以衛福部正在基金會和人民會救助標準和申請的流程,還沒有包括國土署的居住協助和其他部會的救助措施。我知道今天在場的各位部會都有成立單一倉庫,可是每一個部會的單一倉庫,坦白說這一張,\n\n29\n00:11:01,021 --> 00:11:26,364\n五頁我是立委和我的助理我們都看得不傻傻了你們裡面有非常多的優惠的措施還有一些補助的要點我覺得我看了都覺得很複雜更何況是身心受創財產損失的災區民眾我們要求中央災害防救業務主管就是內政部部長雖然我知道您即將離開這個位置\n\n30\n00:11:27,785 --> 00:11:34,983\n但是希望您離開之前能夠幫我們統整0403花蓮震災的復原重建工作好不好\n\n31\n00:11:36,956 --> 00:11:52,224\n陳儒你剛剛在講因為跟災民直接對口是地方縣市政府那中央因為這個是負責政策的部分然後中央人力也非常有限所以實際在此前面的部分你們可以跟地方政府合作嗎?當然當然因為我看到衛福部你們就有電話在裡面然後退福會有退福會的電話\n\n32\n00:11:59,848 --> 00:12:19,341\n國土署有國土署的電話今天我如果是災民的話我索性如果看到這一張的話我還可以知道我中央找誰如果我到地方去地方政府都已經忙得焦頭爛額了他還會去負責那麼有耐性的跟災民說你必須怎麼處理這今天的事情嗎\n\n33\n00:12:20,262 --> 00:12:35,298\n我的問題是在這裏。」委員你手上的那一張是由行政院的災防辦在彙整各部會的資源所以這部分當然是提供給縣市政府跟中央的一個對口\n\n34\n00:12:36,239 --> 00:12:53,192\n所以民眾不知道嘛所以民眾我已經受災了我身心受創了我還要到地方政府去地方政府他恐怕也是焦頭爛額了這焦頭爛額的狀況之下我災民都已經那麼受傷了然後再沒有耐心的公務人員那真的是身心俱平\n\n35\n00:12:54,273 --> 00:13:09,735\n希望我們的官員除了在第一線的救災之外希望你們能夠苦民所苦然後按照救災之後怎麼樣輔助這些災民好嗎再給我一點時間謝謝我要講東華大學請問一下東華大學教育部也請上台環境部也上來一下\n\n36\n00:13:10,717 --> 00:13:24,291\n東華大學我們看到它是屬於第一類金屬火災請問一下第一時間我們當然不願意我們的消防人員再進去受災難請問一下校方跟我們的地方政府跟消防署有沒有第一時間聯繫請教育部\n\n37\n00:13:29,343 --> 00:13:55,064\n委員好火災發生的當下在7點58分發生火災這個你的書面報告也有說了我的意思是說教育部在平常你核准學校有這個理工化學這樣子的一個辦公這個實驗室的時候你們平常有沒有防救災或者是有沒有跟第一線政府知道你們裡面擺的是什麼東西就我知道\n\n38\n00:13:55,805 --> 00:14:16,740\n你們是屬於D類的對吧D類的只有那個粉的可以請問一下當時沒有對不對當時沒有對不對所以就眼睜睜看著東華大學就這樣燒掉了對嗎各位報告學校在設實驗室的時候都有報防災計畫那你們橫向聯繫有聯繫的夠嗎地方政府有配備這樣子的東西嗎請問消防署\n\n39\n00:14:20,888 --> 00:14:39,443\n署長你們跟教育部有橫向聯繫嗎?教育部在3月20號特別針對學校的消防安全沒有平常平常在0403沒有地震之前你們清楚知道東華大學的化學實驗室裡面就屬於是B類的這些防災\n\n40\n00:14:41,465 --> 00:14:58,668\n我們平常學校會報消防防護計畫那為什麼這一次東華大學因為我沒有看到教育部你有什麼反省或者是消防署你們有什麼反省就眼睜睜看著東華大學的化學實驗室就要燒掉而且現在要花那麼多錢在復原你們有什麼的因應措施未來\n\n41\n00:14:59,755 --> 00:15:08,441\n是兩個部分一個是學校接下來要做自主防災的一個處理這是已經確定之前有沒有之前是消防防護計畫但是消防防護計畫這個範圍可能稍微少一點這個部分我們擴大那另外一個消防部分消防車幹部長專案報告裡面化學災害處理車在未來會議\n\n42\n00:15:19,207 --> 00:15:38,809\n因為今天時間有限我今天只是點出問題來因為不僅僅是東華大學各縣市政府有非常多的大專院校裡面都有理化工的實驗室如果我們不能夠以東華大學的這樣子的一個案例作為未來檢討的方向的話我覺得我們的以後\n\n43\n00:15:39,790 --> 00:16:00,985\n不需要再受到這樣子的一個災難所以請問一下消防署請問一下教育部環境部你們同意我的說法嗎請問部長謝謝您願意開一個專案嗎跟委員報告這個院長在主持相關的會議的時候就有做非常清楚的一個指示因為院長自己也是科學家這個指示是什麼\n\n44\n00:16:02,766 --> 00:16:17,648\n這個指示就是有這個大學院校裡面有這個化學的實驗室的話他的一個防災的相關的準備的工作包括他的一個器具跟資源這個必須要做整體的一個檢討跟強化這個院長有特別指示\n\n45\n00:16:18,069 --> 00:16:30,233\n所以我今天看到問題跟院長是一樣的那因為今天時間有限而且涉及的部會非常多我沒有辦法一一的在這邊詢問問題但是我也提出臨時提案對於這個東華大學臨時提案我要求內政部在114年預算編列要充實\n\n46\n00:16:36,215 --> 00:16:52,243\n第一類金屬毀帶的滅火器和消防車的經費我們也請教育部要盤點化學系是否有完善的設施設備要跟內政部的消防署、地方政府建立橫向的聯繫和安檢的機制,可以嗎?好,謝謝大家,謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2914\t25580\t謝謝主席在我質詢之前在這裡先向第一線的救災救難人員致上深深的謝意辛苦你們了在救災的同時也希望你們能夠保重自己的安全跟身體的健康也謝謝這些家屬們的這個的願意奉獻你們的另外一半來參加這個救援的工作非常的感謝\n27340\t48906\t謝謝繼續呢我想要請一下衛福部的這個司長還有財團法人震災基金會的督導還有園民會的公建處的處長請你們三位都上台一下為了節省時間我先詢問一下衛福部裡面有財團法人震災基金會重大天然災害災民震災核給要點\n51046\t62756\t不管是死亡、失蹤、重傷、緊急救助、住宅重建的震住你們知道嗎?你們從97年起額度都沒有改變過市長你覺得是不是應該檢討?\n66794\t93290\t97年前是40萬現在也40萬現在物價飛漲了而且這麼多年以來都沒有改進然後我們的震災基金會其實每一次重大災害的時候都有非常多的金額像這次您報告的有9億多請問一下我手上的這個資料是全各地方政府都有嗎還是我請你們到辦公室的時候才提供給我的\n94923\t97104\t0403花蓮震災災害救協助事項一兩表2024年4月4日9點修訂\n121194\t147015\t內政部會長的資料上面看到的除了衛福部的災害慰問金、死亡慰問金每個人發給新台幣20萬之外這是衛生福利部給的對吧?然後剩下死亡、失蹤、重傷、緊急救助、失憶兒童或是緊急物資贈助或是住宅重建的重構贈助或是住學金補助都是你們震災基金會要做的事情對嗎?\n148007\t152049\t獨島在嗎?震災基金會獨島請您回我一下你們這次募集了9億然後97年當中這些金額都沒有改變過或者是04、03你們有特別的金額補助\n170270\t190641\t我跟委員報告一下請你簡單的說明回答我就好我們原則上這是一個法定震住但是我們募集到其他的資源的時候我們會以專案震住的方式來提供協助你們這次是用專案嗎你們給我的報告是0403專案而且呢專案9億就必須用在0403這次花蓮的震災對吧\n193793\t205183\t還是彼而完畢之後你們還會去用到別的地方?不會不會 絕對會用在好 所以我就請你回答我問題啊你這個死亡只有40萬 你沒有9億欸你覺得現在按照你們給我們的死亡、失蹤還有你們這些修繕 你們沒有修繕喔\n212890\t233462\t我這個也是要提醒您的現在的災民其實最大的一個感受就是我感受的天災我的政府除了一般在政府機構協助我的之外我還有沒有一般在震災經濟會你們從外面募集不管是國內外的錢來協助我們災民可以解決這次的災害\n235190\t259540\t簡單回應報告委員我們還有其他包含復原重建包含緊急收容安置這些我們真的已經有你現在告訴我的上面都有啊所以我現在問你是不是專案專款專用所以這個9億甚至於到31號以前可能會多出9億你們全部都會放在災民的身上而不會放在公共工程的身上\n260040\t275636\t我們會全部用在災民身上好 所以這個災民我剛剛問你了97年你都沒有調整過金額是不是應該考慮提高了是 跟委員報告這個部分要不要調整的部分我們已經在研議當中了已經在研議多久會讓我們知道我們要召開董事會來進一步討論你們董事會什麼時候開始\n284056\t307829\t你們的善款都是來自於各界喔你們要好好的跟各界報告喔而且我清楚知道從921大地震之後有一些餘款你們就開始用然後再用行政院的第二預備金2000萬然後才會一直到97年的時候成立這個基金會然後這個基金會當中97年到現在有那麼多的重大的災害有那麼多人的捐款\n311031\t323209\t雖然我們在網路上看到你們每一筆每一筆的支出但是有沒有真正用在災民或者是這一次災害最嚴重的災區的地方你們是要檢討的好不好請你們檢討市長什麼時候告訴我你要檢討\n328388\t346699\t什麼時候會有決議我真的非得用在因為是專案專款專用一定會用到但是你們的比例你們的所有的動資你們的董事會有沒有重新開會還是97年以後就從來沒有開過會對嘛所以我要你們一個月之內\n353002\t380917\t趕快讓我知道你們什麼時候要調整0403的你們來自於世界或國內的所有的捐款你們要怎麼用好嗎謝謝還有檢討請原民會原民會的輔助原住民遭難救難實施要點92年也沒有調整過然後原住民的天然災害原住民的住宅重建補助最後要點你們100年以後也沒有調整過報告委員這一點檢討已經報告行政院去了\n381496\t404469\t好,什麼事務可以完成?等月合定之後就可以實施好,我們看到你委員會裡面有災害救助、有臨時工、有重建、修繕、融資、紓困看到這麼多,除了災害救助之外,其實都是你們平常在做的?對,我們用公寓的隱患積極 並不是0403,對不對?我們用公寓的隱患積極 那請問一下,你的臨時工每個小時183塊,每月最高150小時,最長兩個月,跟勞委會有什麼不同?\n411295\t428888\t還是我們可以折一?所以勞委會上面也不是你0403的專案嗎?如果勞委會他的額度用完的話可以再繼續用我們的額度什麼意思?你們只有兩個月啊請問一下勞委會你們是幾個月?你們安心上工?應該在0403你們也有一些措施嘛,對嗎?\n429830\t451557\t是跟委員報告我們針對這個震災0403請你簡單說就好了你跟原民會之間的分工是怎麼分工法原民會針對原住民勞動部這邊完全不分對象別原住民我們也接收所以原民會是最長兩個月你是半年所以我的原住民的身份我既可以到勞委會也可以到原民會的意思嗎只要時間不重疊是可以的\n452077\t473513\t那我如果是原住民的話,我就希望是勞委會,你們是半年啊,原民會就兩個月啊跟委員報告,我們委員的六個月是臨時工作津貼,但是我們針對0403的震災,我們目前有一個專案那請您簡單告訴我,我如果是原住民身份,我0403我要去原民會好還是去勞委會好我認為都可以,現在我們勞動部好了那委員會就兩個月啊,原民會就兩個月啊\n477112\t478093\t我們都兩個月,只是他們可以延長\n499847\t518276\t所以等於就是說我到了原住民身份到了原住民這邊拿了兩個月之後我還可以去勞委會拿半年嗎請你要講清楚不要讓外界認為我們是有非常多的好處不能重疊不能重疊只要原民會去申請就不能夠到勞委會去申請的意思嘛\n520797\t543145\t然後呢我們的原住民的族人我現在要講請兩位注意聽一下我希望以災民要有類別的區分比如說死亡的比如說他是在職工作的比如說他的受災很嚴重的而不是全權交給地方去處理名單報給你了你們就往上報你們可以去審核審核一下\n544185\t548690\t原民會、勞委會可以嗎第一線可以去審核一下嗎我們受災民眾優先派工受災民眾那原民會呢\n555801\t579035\t受災民眾是怎樣分別?只要地方政府認定他有認定災民身體有礙就是你知道長期以來原住民地區最大的一個困擾就是地方政府全權處理變成綁裝的一個工具真正受害的這些災民們並沒有真正感受到你們是不是要分本別類而不是這麼大向的告訴大家我是什麼人都可以來\n584180\t604773\t檢討一個月之內給我還有修繕部分修繕部分每戶最高11萬請問一下住宅修繕這次的災民有特別嗎還是他是低收入戶者才行一般的災民都行嗎只要認定有案災民都可以來那他如果不是低收入戶者也是可以嗎我們可以專案來處理\n605900\t633013\t到底有沒有狀案?如果他是違建可不可以?你也知道90%只要出去里長證明他有居住事實就可以好再講清楚一下原住民如果要修繕應該怎麼做?請你簡單說明他第一個他如果涉及在他的戶籍門牌然後他即使不是有房屋的建造但是他只要有居住的事實經過里長認定就來可以申請所以不需要一般低收入戶一般三名都行\n633885\t657356\t只要他認定有回損都行。」好,你今天要負責任,大家聽好了。好,現在請內政部長,謝謝。部長,我們剛剛看到以衛福部正在基金會和人民會救助標準和申請的流程,還沒有包括國土署的居住協助和其他部會的救助措施。我知道今天在場的各位部會都有成立單一倉庫,可是每一個部會的單一倉庫,坦白說這一張,\n661021\t686364\t五頁我是立委和我的助理我們都看得不傻傻了你們裡面有非常多的優惠的措施還有一些補助的要點我覺得我看了都覺得很複雜更何況是身心受創財產損失的災區民眾我們要求中央災害防救業務主管就是內政部部長雖然我知道您即將離開這個位置\n687785\t694983\t但是希望您離開之前能夠幫我們統整0403花蓮震災的復原重建工作好不好\n696956\t712224\t陳儒你剛剛在講因為跟災民直接對口是地方縣市政府那中央因為這個是負責政策的部分然後中央人力也非常有限所以實際在此前面的部分你們可以跟地方政府合作嗎?當然當然因為我看到衛福部你們就有電話在裡面然後退福會有退福會的電話\n719848\t739341\t國土署有國土署的電話今天我如果是災民的話我索性如果看到這一張的話我還可以知道我中央找誰如果我到地方去地方政府都已經忙得焦頭爛額了他還會去負責那麼有耐性的跟災民說你必須怎麼處理這今天的事情嗎\n740262\t755298\t我的問題是在這裏。」委員你手上的那一張是由行政院的災防辦在彙整各部會的資源所以這部分當然是提供給縣市政府跟中央的一個對口\n756239\t773192\t所以民眾不知道嘛所以民眾我已經受災了我身心受創了我還要到地方政府去地方政府他恐怕也是焦頭爛額了這焦頭爛額的狀況之下我災民都已經那麼受傷了然後再沒有耐心的公務人員那真的是身心俱平\n774273\t789735\t希望我們的官員除了在第一線的救災之外希望你們能夠苦民所苦然後按照救災之後怎麼樣輔助這些災民好嗎再給我一點時間謝謝我要講東華大學請問一下東華大學教育部也請上台環境部也上來一下\n790717\t804291\t東華大學我們看到它是屬於第一類金屬火災請問一下第一時間我們當然不願意我們的消防人員再進去受災難請問一下校方跟我們的地方政府跟消防署有沒有第一時間聯繫請教育部\n809343\t835064\t委員好火災發生的當下在7點58分發生火災這個你的書面報告也有說了我的意思是說教育部在平常你核准學校有這個理工化學這樣子的一個辦公這個實驗室的時候你們平常有沒有防救災或者是有沒有跟第一線政府知道你們裡面擺的是什麼東西就我知道\n835805\t856740\t你們是屬於D類的對吧D類的只有那個粉的可以請問一下當時沒有對不對當時沒有對不對所以就眼睜睜看著東華大學就這樣燒掉了對嗎各位報告學校在設實驗室的時候都有報防災計畫那你們橫向聯繫有聯繫的夠嗎地方政府有配備這樣子的東西嗎請問消防署\n860888\t879443\t署長你們跟教育部有橫向聯繫嗎?教育部在3月20號特別針對學校的消防安全沒有平常平常在0403沒有地震之前你們清楚知道東華大學的化學實驗室裡面就屬於是B類的這些防災\n881465\t898668\t我們平常學校會報消防防護計畫那為什麼這一次東華大學因為我沒有看到教育部你有什麼反省或者是消防署你們有什麼反省就眼睜睜看著東華大學的化學實驗室就要燒掉而且現在要花那麼多錢在復原你們有什麼的因應措施未來\n899755\t908441\t是兩個部分一個是學校接下來要做自主防災的一個處理這是已經確定之前有沒有之前是消防防護計畫但是消防防護計畫這個範圍可能稍微少一點這個部分我們擴大那另外一個消防部分消防車幹部長專案報告裡面化學災害處理車在未來會議\n919207\t938809\t因為今天時間有限我今天只是點出問題來因為不僅僅是東華大學各縣市政府有非常多的大專院校裡面都有理化工的實驗室如果我們不能夠以東華大學的這樣子的一個案例作為未來檢討的方向的話我覺得我們的以後\n939790\t960985\t不需要再受到這樣子的一個災難所以請問一下消防署請問一下教育部環境部你們同意我的說法嗎請問部長謝謝您願意開一個專案嗎跟委員報告這個院長在主持相關的會議的時候就有做非常清楚的一個指示因為院長自己也是科學家這個指示是什麼\n962766\t977648\t這個指示就是有這個大學院校裡面有這個化學的實驗室的話他的一個防災的相關的準備的工作包括他的一個器具跟資源這個必須要做整體的一個檢討跟強化這個院長有特別指示\n978069\t990233\t所以我今天看到問題跟院長是一樣的那因為今天時間有限而且涉及的部會非常多我沒有辦法一一的在這邊詢問問題但是我也提出臨時提案對於這個東華大學臨時提案我要求內政部在114年預算編列要充實\n996215\t1012243\t第一類金屬毀帶的滅火器和消防車的經費我們也請教育部要盤點化學系是否有完善的設施設備要跟內政部的消防署、地方政府建立橫向的聯繫和安檢的機制,可以嗎?好,謝謝大家,謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席在我質詢之前在這裡先向第一線的救災救難人員致上深深的謝意辛苦你們了在救災的同時也希望你們能夠保重自己的安全跟身體的健康也謝謝這些家屬們的這個的願意奉獻你們的另外一半來參加這個救援的工作非常的感謝\n謝謝繼續呢我想要請一下衛福部的這個司長還有財團法人震災基金會的督導還有園民會的公建處的處長請你們三位都上台一下為了節省時間我先詢問一下衛福部裡面有財團法人震災基金會重大天然災害災民震災核給要點\n不管是死亡、失蹤、重傷、緊急救助、住宅重建的震住你們知道嗎?你們從97年起額度都沒有改變過市長你覺得是不是應該檢討?\n97年前是40萬現在也40萬現在物價飛漲了而且這麼多年以來都沒有改進然後我們的震災基金會其實每一次重大災害的時候都有非常多的金額像這次您報告的有9億多請問一下我手上的這個資料是全各地方政府都有嗎還是我請你們到辦公室的時候才提供給我的\n0403花蓮震災災害救協助事項一兩表2024年4月4日9點修訂\n內政部會長的資料上面看到的除了衛福部的災害慰問金、死亡慰問金每個人發給新台幣20萬之外這是衛生福利部給的對吧?然後剩下死亡、失蹤、重傷、緊急救助、失憶兒童或是緊急物資贈助或是住宅重建的重構贈助或是住學金補助都是你們震災基金會要做的事情對嗎?\n獨島在嗎?震災基金會獨島請您回我一下你們這次募集了9億然後97年當中這些金額都沒有改變過或者是04、03你們有特別的金額補助\n我跟委員報告一下請你簡單的說明回答我就好我們原則上這是一個法定震住但是我們募集到其他的資源的時候我們會以專案震住的方式來提供協助你們這次是用專案嗎你們給我的報告是0403專案而且呢專案9億就必須用在0403這次花蓮的震災對吧\n還是彼而完畢之後你們還會去用到別的地方?不會不會 絕對會用在好 所以我就請你回答我問題啊你這個死亡只有40萬 你沒有9億欸你覺得現在按照你們給我們的死亡、失蹤還有你們這些修繕 你們沒有修繕喔\n我這個也是要提醒您的現在的災民其實最大的一個感受就是我感受的天災我的政府除了一般在政府機構協助我的之外我還有沒有一般在震災經濟會你們從外面募集不管是國內外的錢來協助我們災民可以解決這次的災害\n簡單回應報告委員我們還有其他包含復原重建包含緊急收容安置這些我們真的已經有你現在告訴我的上面都有啊所以我現在問你是不是專案專款專用所以這個9億甚至於到31號以前可能會多出9億你們全部都會放在災民的身上而不會放在公共工程的身上\n我們會全部用在災民身上好 所以這個災民我剛剛問你了97年你都沒有調整過金額是不是應該考慮提高了是 跟委員報告這個部分要不要調整的部分我們已經在研議當中了已經在研議多久會讓我們知道我們要召開董事會來進一步討論你們董事會什麼時候開始\n你們的善款都是來自於各界喔你們要好好的跟各界報告喔而且我清楚知道從921大地震之後有一些餘款你們就開始用然後再用行政院的第二預備金2000萬然後才會一直到97年的時候成立這個基金會然後這個基金會當中97年到現在有那麼多的重大的災害有那麼多人的捐款\n雖然我們在網路上看到你們每一筆每一筆的支出但是有沒有真正用在災民或者是這一次災害最嚴重的災區的地方你們是要檢討的好不好請你們檢討市長什麼時候告訴我你要檢討\n什麼時候會有決議我真的非得用在因為是專案專款專用一定會用到但是你們的比例你們的所有的動資你們的董事會有沒有重新開會還是97年以後就從來沒有開過會對嘛所以我要你們一個月之內\n趕快讓我知道你們什麼時候要調整0403的你們來自於世界或國內的所有的捐款你們要怎麼用好嗎謝謝還有檢討請原民會原民會的輔助原住民遭難救難實施要點92年也沒有調整過然後原住民的天然災害原住民的住宅重建補助最後要點你們100年以後也沒有調整過報告委員這一點檢討已經報告行政院去了\n好,什麼事務可以完成?等月合定之後就可以實施好,我們看到你委員會裡面有災害救助、有臨時工、有重建、修繕、融資、紓困看到這麼多,除了災害救助之外,其實都是你們平常在做的?對,我們用公寓的隱患積極 並不是0403,對不對?我們用公寓的隱患積極 那請問一下,你的臨時工每個小時183塊,每月最高150小時,最長兩個月,跟勞委會有什麼不同?\n還是我們可以折一?所以勞委會上面也不是你0403的專案嗎?如果勞委會他的額度用完的話可以再繼續用我們的額度什麼意思?你們只有兩個月啊請問一下勞委會你們是幾個月?你們安心上工?應該在0403你們也有一些措施嘛,對嗎?\n是跟委員報告我們針對這個震災0403請你簡單說就好了你跟原民會之間的分工是怎麼分工法原民會針對原住民勞動部這邊完全不分對象別原住民我們也接收所以原民會是最長兩個月你是半年所以我的原住民的身份我既可以到勞委會也可以到原民會的意思嗎只要時間不重疊是可以的\n那我如果是原住民的話,我就希望是勞委會,你們是半年啊,原民會就兩個月啊跟委員報告,我們委員的六個月是臨時工作津貼,但是我們針對0403的震災,我們目前有一個專案那請您簡單告訴我,我如果是原住民身份,我0403我要去原民會好還是去勞委會好我認為都可以,現在我們勞動部好了那委員會就兩個月啊,原民會就兩個月啊\n我們都兩個月,只是他們可以延長\n所以等於就是說我到了原住民身份到了原住民這邊拿了兩個月之後我還可以去勞委會拿半年嗎請你要講清楚不要讓外界認為我們是有非常多的好處不能重疊不能重疊只要原民會去申請就不能夠到勞委會去申請的意思嘛\n然後呢我們的原住民的族人我現在要講請兩位注意聽一下我希望以災民要有類別的區分比如說死亡的比如說他是在職工作的比如說他的受災很嚴重的而不是全權交給地方去處理名單報給你了你們就往上報你們可以去審核審核一下\n原民會、勞委會可以嗎第一線可以去審核一下嗎我們受災民眾優先派工受災民眾那原民會呢\n受災民眾是怎樣分別?只要地方政府認定他有認定災民身體有礙就是你知道長期以來原住民地區最大的一個困擾就是地方政府全權處理變成綁裝的一個工具真正受害的這些災民們並沒有真正感受到你們是不是要分本別類而不是這麼大向的告訴大家我是什麼人都可以來\n檢討一個月之內給我還有修繕部分修繕部分每戶最高11萬請問一下住宅修繕這次的災民有特別嗎還是他是低收入戶者才行一般的災民都行嗎只要認定有案災民都可以來那他如果不是低收入戶者也是可以嗎我們可以專案來處理\n到底有沒有狀案?如果他是違建可不可以?你也知道90%只要出去里長證明他有居住事實就可以好再講清楚一下原住民如果要修繕應該怎麼做?請你簡單說明他第一個他如果涉及在他的戶籍門牌然後他即使不是有房屋的建造但是他只要有居住的事實經過里長認定就來可以申請所以不需要一般低收入戶一般三名都行\n只要他認定有回損都行。」好,你今天要負責任,大家聽好了。好,現在請內政部長,謝謝。部長,我們剛剛看到以衛福部正在基金會和人民會救助標準和申請的流程,還沒有包括國土署的居住協助和其他部會的救助措施。我知道今天在場的各位部會都有成立單一倉庫,可是每一個部會的單一倉庫,坦白說這一張,\n五頁我是立委和我的助理我們都看得不傻傻了你們裡面有非常多的優惠的措施還有一些補助的要點我覺得我看了都覺得很複雜更何況是身心受創財產損失的災區民眾我們要求中央災害防救業務主管就是內政部部長雖然我知道您即將離開這個位置\n但是希望您離開之前能夠幫我們統整0403花蓮震災的復原重建工作好不好\n陳儒你剛剛在講因為跟災民直接對口是地方縣市政府那中央因為這個是負責政策的部分然後中央人力也非常有限所以實際在此前面的部分你們可以跟地方政府合作嗎?當然當然因為我看到衛福部你們就有電話在裡面然後退福會有退福會的電話\n國土署有國土署的電話今天我如果是災民的話我索性如果看到這一張的話我還可以知道我中央找誰如果我到地方去地方政府都已經忙得焦頭爛額了他還會去負責那麼有耐性的跟災民說你必須怎麼處理這今天的事情嗎\n我的問題是在這裏。」委員你手上的那一張是由行政院的災防辦在彙整各部會的資源所以這部分當然是提供給縣市政府跟中央的一個對口\n所以民眾不知道嘛所以民眾我已經受災了我身心受創了我還要到地方政府去地方政府他恐怕也是焦頭爛額了這焦頭爛額的狀況之下我災民都已經那麼受傷了然後再沒有耐心的公務人員那真的是身心俱平\n希望我們的官員除了在第一線的救災之外希望你們能夠苦民所苦然後按照救災之後怎麼樣輔助這些災民好嗎再給我一點時間謝謝我要講東華大學請問一下東華大學教育部也請上台環境部也上來一下\n東華大學我們看到它是屬於第一類金屬火災請問一下第一時間我們當然不願意我們的消防人員再進去受災難請問一下校方跟我們的地方政府跟消防署有沒有第一時間聯繫請教育部\n委員好火災發生的當下在7點58分發生火災這個你的書面報告也有說了我的意思是說教育部在平常你核准學校有這個理工化學這樣子的一個辦公這個實驗室的時候你們平常有沒有防救災或者是有沒有跟第一線政府知道你們裡面擺的是什麼東西就我知道\n你們是屬於D類的對吧D類的只有那個粉的可以請問一下當時沒有對不對當時沒有對不對所以就眼睜睜看著東華大學就這樣燒掉了對嗎各位報告學校在設實驗室的時候都有報防災計畫那你們橫向聯繫有聯繫的夠嗎地方政府有配備這樣子的東西嗎請問消防署\n署長你們跟教育部有橫向聯繫嗎?教育部在3月20號特別針對學校的消防安全沒有平常平常在0403沒有地震之前你們清楚知道東華大學的化學實驗室裡面就屬於是B類的這些防災\n我們平常學校會報消防防護計畫那為什麼這一次東華大學因為我沒有看到教育部你有什麼反省或者是消防署你們有什麼反省就眼睜睜看著東華大學的化學實驗室就要燒掉而且現在要花那麼多錢在復原你們有什麼的因應措施未來\n是兩個部分一個是學校接下來要做自主防災的一個處理這是已經確定之前有沒有之前是消防防護計畫但是消防防護計畫這個範圍可能稍微少一點這個部分我們擴大那另外一個消防部分消防車幹部長專案報告裡面化學災害處理車在未來會議\n因為今天時間有限我今天只是點出問題來因為不僅僅是東華大學各縣市政府有非常多的大專院校裡面都有理化工的實驗室如果我們不能夠以東華大學的這樣子的一個案例作為未來檢討的方向的話我覺得我們的以後\n不需要再受到這樣子的一個災難所以請問一下消防署請問一下教育部環境部你們同意我的說法嗎請問部長謝謝您願意開一個專案嗎跟委員報告這個院長在主持相關的會議的時候就有做非常清楚的一個指示因為院長自己也是科學家這個指示是什麼\n這個指示就是有這個大學院校裡面有這個化學的實驗室的話他的一個防災的相關的準備的工作包括他的一個器具跟資源這個必須要做整體的一個檢討跟強化這個院長有特別指示\n所以我今天看到問題跟院長是一樣的那因為今天時間有限而且涉及的部會非常多我沒有辦法一一的在這邊詢問問題但是我也提出臨時提案對於這個東華大學臨時提案我要求內政部在114年預算編列要充實\n第一類金屬毀帶的滅火器和消防車的經費我們也請教育部要盤點化學系是否有完善的設施設備要跟內政部的消防署、地方政府建立橫向的聯繫和安檢的機制,可以嗎?好,謝謝大家,謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.914 --> 00:25.580\n謝謝主席在我質詢之前在這裡先向第一線的救災救難人員致上深深的謝意辛苦你們了在救災的同時也希望你們能夠保重自己的安全跟身體的健康也謝謝這些家屬們的這個的願意奉獻你們的另外一半來參加這個救援的工作非常的感謝\n\n00:27.340 --> 00:48.906\n謝謝繼續呢我想要請一下衛福部的這個司長還有財團法人震災基金會的督導還有園民會的公建處的處長請你們三位都上台一下為了節省時間我先詢問一下衛福部裡面有財團法人震災基金會重大天然災害災民震災核給要點\n\n00:51.046 --> 01:02.756\n不管是死亡、失蹤、重傷、緊急救助、住宅重建的震住你們知道嗎?你們從97年起額度都沒有改變過市長你覺得是不是應該檢討?\n\n01:06.794 --> 01:33.290\n97年前是40萬現在也40萬現在物價飛漲了而且這麼多年以來都沒有改進然後我們的震災基金會其實每一次重大災害的時候都有非常多的金額像這次您報告的有9億多請問一下我手上的這個資料是全各地方政府都有嗎還是我請你們到辦公室的時候才提供給我的\n\n01:34.923 --> 01:37.104\n0403花蓮震災災害救協助事項一兩表2024年4月4日9點修訂\n\n02:01.194 --> 02:27.015\n內政部會長的資料上面看到的除了衛福部的災害慰問金、死亡慰問金每個人發給新台幣20萬之外這是衛生福利部給的對吧?然後剩下死亡、失蹤、重傷、緊急救助、失憶兒童或是緊急物資贈助或是住宅重建的重構贈助或是住學金補助都是你們震災基金會要做的事情對嗎?\n\n02:28.007 --> 02:32.049\n獨島在嗎?震災基金會獨島請您回我一下你們這次募集了9億然後97年當中這些金額都沒有改變過或者是04、03你們有特別的金額補助\n\n02:50.270 --> 03:10.641\n我跟委員報告一下請你簡單的說明回答我就好我們原則上這是一個法定震住但是我們募集到其他的資源的時候我們會以專案震住的方式來提供協助你們這次是用專案嗎你們給我的報告是0403專案而且呢專案9億就必須用在0403這次花蓮的震災對吧\n\n03:13.793 --> 03:25.183\n還是彼而完畢之後你們還會去用到別的地方?不會不會絕對會用在好所以我就請你回答我問題啊你這個死亡只有40萬你沒有9億欸你覺得現在按照你們給我們的死亡、失蹤還有你們這些修繕你們沒有修繕喔\n\n03:32.890 --> 03:53.462\n我這個也是要提醒您的現在的災民其實最大的一個感受就是我感受的天災我的政府除了一般在政府機構協助我的之外我還有沒有一般在震災經濟會你們從外面募集不管是國內外的錢來協助我們災民可以解決這次的災害\n\n03:55.190 --> 04:19.540\n簡單回應報告委員我們還有其他包含復原重建包含緊急收容安置這些我們真的已經有你現在告訴我的上面都有啊所以我現在問你是不是專案專款專用所以這個9億甚至於到31號以前可能會多出9億你們全部都會放在災民的身上而不會放在公共工程的身上\n\n04:20.040 --> 04:35.636\n我們會全部用在災民身上好所以這個災民我剛剛問你了97年你都沒有調整過金額是不是應該考慮提高了是跟委員報告這個部分要不要調整的部分我們已經在研議當中了已經在研議多久會讓我們知道我們要召開董事會來進一步討論你們董事會什麼時候開始\n\n04:44.056 --> 05:07.829\n你們的善款都是來自於各界喔你們要好好的跟各界報告喔而且我清楚知道從921大地震之後有一些餘款你們就開始用然後再用行政院的第二預備金2000萬然後才會一直到97年的時候成立這個基金會然後這個基金會當中97年到現在有那麼多的重大的災害有那麼多人的捐款\n\n05:11.031 --> 05:23.209\n雖然我們在網路上看到你們每一筆每一筆的支出但是有沒有真正用在災民或者是這一次災害最嚴重的災區的地方你們是要檢討的好不好請你們檢討市長什麼時候告訴我你要檢討\n\n05:28.388 --> 05:46.699\n什麼時候會有決議我真的非得用在因為是專案專款專用一定會用到但是你們的比例你們的所有的動資你們的董事會有沒有重新開會還是97年以後就從來沒有開過會對嘛所以我要你們一個月之內\n\n05:53.002 --> 06:20.917\n趕快讓我知道你們什麼時候要調整0403的你們來自於世界或國內的所有的捐款你們要怎麼用好嗎謝謝還有檢討請原民會原民會的輔助原住民遭難救難實施要點92年也沒有調整過然後原住民的天然災害原住民的住宅重建補助最後要點你們100年以後也沒有調整過報告委員這一點檢討已經報告行政院去了\n\n06:21.496 --> 06:44.469\n好,什麼事務可以完成?等月合定之後就可以實施好,我們看到你委員會裡面有災害救助、有臨時工、有重建、修繕、融資、紓困看到這麼多,除了災害救助之外,其實都是你們平常在做的?對,我們用公寓的隱患積極並不是0403,對不對?我們用公寓的隱患積極那請問一下,你的臨時工每個小時183塊,每月最高150小時,最長兩個月,跟勞委會有什麼不同?\n\n06:51.295 --> 07:08.888\n還是我們可以折一?所以勞委會上面也不是你0403的專案嗎?如果勞委會他的額度用完的話可以再繼續用我們的額度什麼意思?你們只有兩個月啊請問一下勞委會你們是幾個月?你們安心上工?應該在0403你們也有一些措施嘛,對嗎?\n\n07:09.830 --> 07:31.557\n是跟委員報告我們針對這個震災0403請你簡單說就好了你跟原民會之間的分工是怎麼分工法原民會針對原住民勞動部這邊完全不分對象別原住民我們也接收所以原民會是最長兩個月你是半年所以我的原住民的身份我既可以到勞委會也可以到原民會的意思嗎只要時間不重疊是可以的\n\n07:32.077 --> 07:53.513\n那我如果是原住民的話,我就希望是勞委會,你們是半年啊,原民會就兩個月啊跟委員報告,我們委員的六個月是臨時工作津貼,但是我們針對0403的震災,我們目前有一個專案那請您簡單告訴我,我如果是原住民身份,我0403我要去原民會好還是去勞委會好我認為都可以,現在我們勞動部好了那委員會就兩個月啊,原民會就兩個月啊\n\n07:57.112 --> 07:58.093\n我們都兩個月,只是他們可以延長\n\n08:19.847 --> 08:38.276\n所以等於就是說我到了原住民身份到了原住民這邊拿了兩個月之後我還可以去勞委會拿半年嗎請你要講清楚不要讓外界認為我們是有非常多的好處不能重疊不能重疊只要原民會去申請就不能夠到勞委會去申請的意思嘛\n\n08:40.797 --> 09:03.145\n然後呢我們的原住民的族人我現在要講請兩位注意聽一下我希望以災民要有類別的區分比如說死亡的比如說他是在職工作的比如說他的受災很嚴重的而不是全權交給地方去處理名單報給你了你們就往上報你們可以去審核審核一下\n\n09:04.185 --> 09:08.690\n原民會、勞委會可以嗎第一線可以去審核一下嗎我們受災民眾優先派工受災民眾那原民會呢\n\n09:15.801 --> 09:39.035\n受災民眾是怎樣分別?只要地方政府認定他有認定災民身體有礙就是你知道長期以來原住民地區最大的一個困擾就是地方政府全權處理變成綁裝的一個工具真正受害的這些災民們並沒有真正感受到你們是不是要分本別類而不是這麼大向的告訴大家我是什麼人都可以來\n\n09:44.180 --> 10:04.773\n檢討一個月之內給我還有修繕部分修繕部分每戶最高11萬請問一下住宅修繕這次的災民有特別嗎還是他是低收入戶者才行一般的災民都行嗎只要認定有案災民都可以來那他如果不是低收入戶者也是可以嗎我們可以專案來處理\n\n10:05.900 --> 10:33.013\n到底有沒有狀案?如果他是違建可不可以?你也知道90%只要出去里長證明他有居住事實就可以好再講清楚一下原住民如果要修繕應該怎麼做?請你簡單說明他第一個他如果涉及在他的戶籍門牌然後他即使不是有房屋的建造但是他只要有居住的事實經過里長認定就來可以申請所以不需要一般低收入戶一般三名都行\n\n10:33.885 --> 10:57.356\n只要他認定有回損都行。」好,你今天要負責任,大家聽好了。好,現在請內政部長,謝謝。部長,我們剛剛看到以衛福部正在基金會和人民會救助標準和申請的流程,還沒有包括國土署的居住協助和其他部會的救助措施。我知道今天在場的各位部會都有成立單一倉庫,可是每一個部會的單一倉庫,坦白說這一張,\n\n11:01.021 --> 11:26.364\n五頁我是立委和我的助理我們都看得不傻傻了你們裡面有非常多的優惠的措施還有一些補助的要點我覺得我看了都覺得很複雜更何況是身心受創財產損失的災區民眾我們要求中央災害防救業務主管就是內政部部長雖然我知道您即將離開這個位置\n\n11:27.785 --> 11:34.983\n但是希望您離開之前能夠幫我們統整0403花蓮震災的復原重建工作好不好\n\n11:36.956 --> 11:52.224\n陳儒你剛剛在講因為跟災民直接對口是地方縣市政府那中央因為這個是負責政策的部分然後中央人力也非常有限所以實際在此前面的部分你們可以跟地方政府合作嗎?當然當然因為我看到衛福部你們就有電話在裡面然後退福會有退福會的電話\n\n11:59.848 --> 12:19.341\n國土署有國土署的電話今天我如果是災民的話我索性如果看到這一張的話我還可以知道我中央找誰如果我到地方去地方政府都已經忙得焦頭爛額了他還會去負責那麼有耐性的跟災民說你必須怎麼處理這今天的事情嗎\n\n12:20.262 --> 12:35.298\n我的問題是在這裏。」委員你手上的那一張是由行政院的災防辦在彙整各部會的資源所以這部分當然是提供給縣市政府跟中央的一個對口\n\n12:36.239 --> 12:53.192\n所以民眾不知道嘛所以民眾我已經受災了我身心受創了我還要到地方政府去地方政府他恐怕也是焦頭爛額了這焦頭爛額的狀況之下我災民都已經那麼受傷了然後再沒有耐心的公務人員那真的是身心俱平\n\n12:54.273 --> 13:09.735\n希望我們的官員除了在第一線的救災之外希望你們能夠苦民所苦然後按照救災之後怎麼樣輔助這些災民好嗎再給我一點時間謝謝我要講東華大學請問一下東華大學教育部也請上台環境部也上來一下\n\n13:10.717 --> 13:24.291\n東華大學我們看到它是屬於第一類金屬火災請問一下第一時間我們當然不願意我們的消防人員再進去受災難請問一下校方跟我們的地方政府跟消防署有沒有第一時間聯繫請教育部\n\n13:29.343 --> 13:55.064\n委員好火災發生的當下在7點58分發生火災這個你的書面報告也有說了我的意思是說教育部在平常你核准學校有這個理工化學這樣子的一個辦公這個實驗室的時候你們平常有沒有防救災或者是有沒有跟第一線政府知道你們裡面擺的是什麼東西就我知道\n\n13:55.805 --> 14:16.740\n你們是屬於D類的對吧D類的只有那個粉的可以請問一下當時沒有對不對當時沒有對不對所以就眼睜睜看著東華大學就這樣燒掉了對嗎各位報告學校在設實驗室的時候都有報防災計畫那你們橫向聯繫有聯繫的夠嗎地方政府有配備這樣子的東西嗎請問消防署\n\n14:20.888 --> 14:39.443\n署長你們跟教育部有橫向聯繫嗎?教育部在3月20號特別針對學校的消防安全沒有平常平常在0403沒有地震之前你們清楚知道東華大學的化學實驗室裡面就屬於是B類的這些防災\n\n14:41.465 --> 14:58.668\n我們平常學校會報消防防護計畫那為什麼這一次東華大學因為我沒有看到教育部你有什麼反省或者是消防署你們有什麼反省就眼睜睜看著東華大學的化學實驗室就要燒掉而且現在要花那麼多錢在復原你們有什麼的因應措施未來\n\n14:59.755 --> 15:08.441\n是兩個部分一個是學校接下來要做自主防災的一個處理這是已經確定之前有沒有之前是消防防護計畫但是消防防護計畫這個範圍可能稍微少一點這個部分我們擴大那另外一個消防部分消防車幹部長專案報告裡面化學災害處理車在未來會議\n\n15:19.207 --> 15:38.809\n因為今天時間有限我今天只是點出問題來因為不僅僅是東華大學各縣市政府有非常多的大專院校裡面都有理化工的實驗室如果我們不能夠以東華大學的這樣子的一個案例作為未來檢討的方向的話我覺得我們的以後\n\n15:39.790 --> 16:00.985\n不需要再受到這樣子的一個災難所以請問一下消防署請問一下教育部環境部你們同意我的說法嗎請問部長謝謝您願意開一個專案嗎跟委員報告這個院長在主持相關的會議的時候就有做非常清楚的一個指示因為院長自己也是科學家這個指示是什麼\n\n16:02.766 --> 16:17.648\n這個指示就是有這個大學院校裡面有這個化學的實驗室的話他的一個防災的相關的準備的工作包括他的一個器具跟資源這個必須要做整體的一個檢討跟強化這個院長有特別指示\n\n16:18.069 --> 16:30.233\n所以我今天看到問題跟院長是一樣的那因為今天時間有限而且涉及的部會非常多我沒有辦法一一的在這邊詢問問題但是我也提出臨時提案對於這個東華大學臨時提案我要求內政部在114年預算編列要充實\n\n16:36.215 --> 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絕對會用在好 所以我就請你回答我問題啊你這個死亡只有40萬 你沒有9億欸你覺得現在按照你們給我們的死亡、失蹤還有你們這些修繕 你們沒有修繕喔"},{"start":212.89,"end":233.462,"text":"我這個也是要提醒您的現在的災民其實最大的一個感受就是我感受的天災我的政府除了一般在政府機構協助我的之外我還有沒有一般在震災經濟會你們從外面募集不管是國內外的錢來協助我們災民可以解決這次的災害"},{"start":235.19,"end":259.54,"text":"簡單回應報告委員我們還有其他包含復原重建包含緊急收容安置這些我們真的已經有你現在告訴我的上面都有啊所以我現在問你是不是專案專款專用所以這個9億甚至於到31號以前可能會多出9億你們全部都會放在災民的身上而不會放在公共工程的身上"},{"start":260.04,"end":275.636,"text":"我們會全部用在災民身上好 所以這個災民我剛剛問你了97年你都沒有調整過金額是不是應該考慮提高了是 跟委員報告這個部分要不要調整的部分我們已經在研議當中了已經在研議多久會讓我們知道我們要召開董事會來進一步討論你們董事會什麼時候開始"},{"start":284.056,"end":307.829,"text":"你們的善款都是來自於各界喔你們要好好的跟各界報告喔而且我清楚知道從921大地震之後有一些餘款你們就開始用然後再用行政院的第二預備金2000萬然後才會一直到97年的時候成立這個基金會然後這個基金會當中97年到現在有那麼多的重大的災害有那麼多人的捐款"},{"start":311.031,"end":323.209,"text":"雖然我們在網路上看到你們每一筆每一筆的支出但是有沒有真正用在災民或者是這一次災害最嚴重的災區的地方你們是要檢討的好不好請你們檢討市長什麼時候告訴我你要檢討"},{"start":328.388,"end":346.699,"text":"什麼時候會有決議我真的非得用在因為是專案專款專用一定會用到但是你們的比例你們的所有的動資你們的董事會有沒有重新開會還是97年以後就從來沒有開過會對嘛所以我要你們一個月之內"},{"start":353.002,"end":380.917,"text":"趕快讓我知道你們什麼時候要調整0403的你們來自於世界或國內的所有的捐款你們要怎麼用好嗎謝謝還有檢討請原民會原民會的輔助原住民遭難救難實施要點92年也沒有調整過然後原住民的天然災害原住民的住宅重建補助最後要點你們100年以後也沒有調整過報告委員這一點檢討已經報告行政院去了"},{"start":381.496,"end":404.469,"text":"好,什麼事務可以完成?等月合定之後就可以實施好,我們看到你委員會裡面有災害救助、有臨時工、有重建、修繕、融資、紓困看到這麼多,除了災害救助之外,其實都是你們平常在做的?對,我們用公寓的隱患積極 並不是0403,對不對?我們用公寓的隱患積極 那請問一下,你的臨時工每個小時183塊,每月最高150小時,最長兩個月,跟勞委會有什麼不同?"},{"start":411.295,"end":428.888,"text":"還是我們可以折一?所以勞委會上面也不是你0403的專案嗎?如果勞委會他的額度用完的話可以再繼續用我們的額度什麼意思?你們只有兩個月啊請問一下勞委會你們是幾個月?你們安心上工?應該在0403你們也有一些措施嘛,對嗎?"},{"start":429.83,"end":451.557,"text":"是跟委員報告我們針對這個震災0403請你簡單說就好了你跟原民會之間的分工是怎麼分工法原民會針對原住民勞動部這邊完全不分對象別原住民我們也接收所以原民會是最長兩個月你是半年所以我的原住民的身份我既可以到勞委會也可以到原民會的意思嗎只要時間不重疊是可以的"},{"start":452.077,"end":473.513,"text":"那我如果是原住民的話,我就希望是勞委會,你們是半年啊,原民會就兩個月啊跟委員報告,我們委員的六個月是臨時工作津貼,但是我們針對0403的震災,我們目前有一個專案那請您簡單告訴我,我如果是原住民身份,我0403我要去原民會好還是去勞委會好我認為都可以,現在我們勞動部好了那委員會就兩個月啊,原民會就兩個月啊"},{"start":477.112,"end":478.093,"text":"我們都兩個月,只是他們可以延長"},{"start":499.847,"end":518.276,"text":"所以等於就是說我到了原住民身份到了原住民這邊拿了兩個月之後我還可以去勞委會拿半年嗎請你要講清楚不要讓外界認為我們是有非常多的好處不能重疊不能重疊只要原民會去申請就不能夠到勞委會去申請的意思嘛"},{"start":520.797,"end":543.145,"text":"然後呢我們的原住民的族人我現在要講請兩位注意聽一下我希望以災民要有類別的區分比如說死亡的比如說他是在職工作的比如說他的受災很嚴重的而不是全權交給地方去處理名單報給你了你們就往上報你們可以去審核審核一下"},{"start":544.185,"end":548.69,"text":"原民會、勞委會可以嗎第一線可以去審核一下嗎我們受災民眾優先派工受災民眾那原民會呢"},{"start":555.801,"end":579.035,"text":"受災民眾是怎樣分別?只要地方政府認定他有認定災民身體有礙就是你知道長期以來原住民地區最大的一個困擾就是地方政府全權處理變成綁裝的一個工具真正受害的這些災民們並沒有真正感受到你們是不是要分本別類而不是這麼大向的告訴大家我是什麼人都可以來"},{"start":584.18,"end":604.773,"text":"檢討一個月之內給我還有修繕部分修繕部分每戶最高11萬請問一下住宅修繕這次的災民有特別嗎還是他是低收入戶者才行一般的災民都行嗎只要認定有案災民都可以來那他如果不是低收入戶者也是可以嗎我們可以專案來處理"},{"start":605.9,"end":633.013,"text":"到底有沒有狀案?如果他是違建可不可以?你也知道90%只要出去里長證明他有居住事實就可以好再講清楚一下原住民如果要修繕應該怎麼做?請你簡單說明他第一個他如果涉及在他的戶籍門牌然後他即使不是有房屋的建造但是他只要有居住的事實經過里長認定就來可以申請所以不需要一般低收入戶一般三名都行"},{"start":633.885,"end":657.356,"text":"只要他認定有回損都行。」好,你今天要負責任,大家聽好了。好,現在請內政部長,謝謝。部長,我們剛剛看到以衛福部正在基金會和人民會救助標準和申請的流程,還沒有包括國土署的居住協助和其他部會的救助措施。我知道今天在場的各位部會都有成立單一倉庫,可是每一個部會的單一倉庫,坦白說這一張,"},{"start":661.021,"end":686.364,"text":"五頁我是立委和我的助理我們都看得不傻傻了你們裡面有非常多的優惠的措施還有一些補助的要點我覺得我看了都覺得很複雜更何況是身心受創財產損失的災區民眾我們要求中央災害防救業務主管就是內政部部長雖然我知道您即將離開這個位置"},{"start":687.785,"end":694.983,"text":"但是希望您離開之前能夠幫我們統整0403花蓮震災的復原重建工作好不好"},{"start":696.956,"end":712.224,"text":"陳儒你剛剛在講因為跟災民直接對口是地方縣市政府那中央因為這個是負責政策的部分然後中央人力也非常有限所以實際在此前面的部分你們可以跟地方政府合作嗎?當然當然因為我看到衛福部你們就有電話在裡面然後退福會有退福會的電話"},{"start":719.848,"end":739.341,"text":"國土署有國土署的電話今天我如果是災民的話我索性如果看到這一張的話我還可以知道我中央找誰如果我到地方去地方政府都已經忙得焦頭爛額了他還會去負責那麼有耐性的跟災民說你必須怎麼處理這今天的事情嗎"},{"start":740.262,"end":755.298,"text":"我的問題是在這裏。」委員你手上的那一張是由行政院的災防辦在彙整各部會的資源所以這部分當然是提供給縣市政府跟中央的一個對口"},{"start":756.239,"end":773.192,"text":"所以民眾不知道嘛所以民眾我已經受災了我身心受創了我還要到地方政府去地方政府他恐怕也是焦頭爛額了這焦頭爛額的狀況之下我災民都已經那麼受傷了然後再沒有耐心的公務人員那真的是身心俱平"},{"start":774.273,"end":789.735,"text":"希望我們的官員除了在第一線的救災之外希望你們能夠苦民所苦然後按照救災之後怎麼樣輔助這些災民好嗎再給我一點時間謝謝我要講東華大學請問一下東華大學教育部也請上台環境部也上來一下"},{"start":790.717,"end":804.291,"text":"東華大學我們看到它是屬於第一類金屬火災請問一下第一時間我們當然不願意我們的消防人員再進去受災難請問一下校方跟我們的地方政府跟消防署有沒有第一時間聯繫請教育部"},{"start":809.343,"end":835.064,"text":"委員好火災發生的當下在7點58分發生火災這個你的書面報告也有說了我的意思是說教育部在平常你核准學校有這個理工化學這樣子的一個辦公這個實驗室的時候你們平常有沒有防救災或者是有沒有跟第一線政府知道你們裡面擺的是什麼東西就我知道"},{"start":835.805,"end":856.74,"text":"你們是屬於D類的對吧D類的只有那個粉的可以請問一下當時沒有對不對當時沒有對不對所以就眼睜睜看著東華大學就這樣燒掉了對嗎各位報告學校在設實驗室的時候都有報防災計畫那你們橫向聯繫有聯繫的夠嗎地方政府有配備這樣子的東西嗎請問消防署"},{"start":860.888,"end":879.443,"text":"署長你們跟教育部有橫向聯繫嗎?教育部在3月20號特別針對學校的消防安全沒有平常平常在0403沒有地震之前你們清楚知道東華大學的化學實驗室裡面就屬於是B類的這些防災"},{"start":881.465,"end":898.668,"text":"我們平常學校會報消防防護計畫那為什麼這一次東華大學因為我沒有看到教育部你有什麼反省或者是消防署你們有什麼反省就眼睜睜看著東華大學的化學實驗室就要燒掉而且現在要花那麼多錢在復原你們有什麼的因應措施未來"},{"start":899.755,"end":908.441,"text":"是兩個部分一個是學校接下來要做自主防災的一個處理這是已經確定之前有沒有之前是消防防護計畫但是消防防護計畫這個範圍可能稍微少一點這個部分我們擴大那另外一個消防部分消防車幹部長專案報告裡面化學災害處理車在未來會議"},{"start":919.207,"end":938.809,"text":"因為今天時間有限我今天只是點出問題來因為不僅僅是東華大學各縣市政府有非常多的大專院校裡面都有理化工的實驗室如果我們不能夠以東華大學的這樣子的一個案例作為未來檢討的方向的話我覺得我們的以後"},{"start":939.79,"end":960.985,"text":"不需要再受到這樣子的一個災難所以請問一下消防署請問一下教育部環境部你們同意我的說法嗎請問部長謝謝您願意開一個專案嗎跟委員報告這個院長在主持相關的會議的時候就有做非常清楚的一個指示因為院長自己也是科學家這個指示是什麼"},{"start":962.766,"end":977.648,"text":"這個指示就是有這個大學院校裡面有這個化學的實驗室的話他的一個防災的相關的準備的工作包括他的一個器具跟資源這個必須要做整體的一個檢討跟強化這個院長有特別指示"},{"start":978.069,"end":990.233,"text":"所以我今天看到問題跟院長是一樣的那因為今天時間有限而且涉及的部會非常多我沒有辦法一一的在這邊詢問問題但是我也提出臨時提案對於這個東華大學臨時提案我要求內政部在114年預算編列要充實"},{"start":996.215,"end":1012.243,"text":"第一類金屬毀帶的滅火器和消防車的經費我們也請教育部要盤點化學系是否有完善的設施設備要跟內政部的消防署、地方政府建立橫向的聯繫和安檢的機制,可以嗎?好,謝謝大家,謝謝"}]}}}}