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00:03:08,619\n那重建跟復原的部分他會涉及相關的部會我想最大的經費可能是交通部的部分就是交通的部分那我們自己的話就是國家公園我們自己國家公園出估當然是會有超過10億不過這個因為現在災區都還有相關的一個這個餘震的這種狀況所以這個還要進行等比較穩定之後還要再進行更實施的所以就是各部會加總起來可能就可能也許會從\n\n9\n00:03:09,739 --> 00:03:33,146\n可能達到數百億到數十億都有可能嗎因為後續的一個重建包括在這很多危老然後很多的這些紅單黃單的這些相關的危險建築物有可能後續都還有很多需要補強還有很多需要做改建啊各方面都可能這個相關的費用目前的話等於說跨部會還沒有提出來所需要的相關經費是嗎\n\n10\n00:03:34,546 --> 00:03:50,260\n我跟委員報告剛剛在提到的建物的重建目前有需要的是51間但是它不是每一個都是每一棟它也有單間的所以這個金額不一因為後續有重建的程序\n\n11\n00:03:52,661 --> 00:04:12,667\n重建的部分後續主要的資金來源會從震災基金會還有包括縣政府的相關捐款另外就是我們的住宅基金這個跟我們要重建復原可能會使用到公務的預算這個是分開的請問這樣的經費夠嗎?您剛提到的\n\n12\n00:04:14,868 --> 00:04:43,083\n因為剛剛講的嘛那個震災基金會大概是9億的捐款嘛對您剛剛提到這樣個購我們來針對所有後續包括重建的部分是跟委員報告震災基金會的部分因為它是一個基金會它有一個董事會的一個機制那它會是這次0403捐進來多少錢這些錢全部都要用在0403的這個震災跟相關重建的費用上面但是震災基金會它目前還有本金\n\n13\n00:04:43,943 --> 00:05:06,099\n他自己現在還有本金所以必要的時候也可以動用我剛提到其實最後重建的經費要花費很大的一筆數目尤其不是只有花蓮可能台北、新北也有很多這樣子的問題所以這個部分請問政府打算編列多少的預算進行災後重建\n\n14\n00:05:06,739 --> 00:05:28,706\n委員會報告剛剛在提到的我們的其實本來的機制還有包括震災的這個捐款還有包括本來的基金會其實都有錢像現在的那個震災基金會應該還有三四億的一個本金另外剛剛在講的所以是否足夠支援這一次0403的相關後續重建的經費\n\n15\n00:05:29,566 --> 00:05:46,232\n譬如說像台八線的一個重建它需要的時間會很長那我相信未來中央部它會逐年的去編列預算就像過去中橫公路或者南橫公路的這個計畫是一樣的工建預算就可以來cover工建預算就可以來cover\n\n16\n00:05:53,874 --> 00:06:13,725\n本席在這邊要求是不是可以用年度就是編列這個年度的預算先匡列之後然後再一次編列分期執行就是有關0403的一個特別的這個經費是這部分行政院會再做進一步的一個整合謝謝\n\n17\n00:06:15,126 --> 00:06:37,493\n然後再來就是有關在這一次的這個地震我們也看到很多其實大家都很擔心自己住家的問題尤其是很多住在雙北的根據在2013年的時候就提出說在台北市發生規模7.3級的地震恐怕會有3萬5千棟的房屋倒塌而且我們最近統計的這個這個有關全國平均屋齡大概是32年然後其中\n\n18\n00:06:41,794 --> 00:06:48,059\n臺北市的屋齡大概是37.6年另外,25年以上的住宅佔比也達79.2%,佔6都之冠所以目前,而且我們現在地震中心也研究,在未來的50年會再發生規模\n\n19\n00:06:59,389 --> 00:07:17,089\n0以上的強震大概也有54%的機率所以針對這樣子這麼多可能還有沒有辦法這個面對下一次如果有大戰的時候的這些建築的話請問一下針對老屋是不是可以先要求進行強制的建整\n\n20\n00:07:19,792 --> 00:07:47,108\n因為房子都是屬於個人的一個財產那我們是不是能夠強制要求他做建設我們還是比較呼籲民眾因為現在我們政府都有補助然後這個也一直做宣導那我們希望這個民眾可以提出來針對他自己的房子來做建設的一個工作我剛講的是有危險有立即危險或是有相關的是不是我們這部分應該要提早預防\n\n21\n00:07:48,809 --> 00:08:16,461\n如果它是有危險那就是變成要另外的處理另外還有這次天王星倒塌就是典型的軟腳下的建築物那針對全國這樣子的一個軟腳下的建築物是不是要請專家能夠再提供就是我希望我們政府能夠做到全面普查如果針對這方面的能夠提供補強的一個建議那是不是可以這個請\n\n22\n00:08:19,183 --> 00:08:33,520\n這部分其實專家還在做鑑定這個我想我們會以這個鑑定來做一些相關的檢討那你提到的軟腳蝦的建築的這個事情其實也不是今天才有\n\n23\n00:08:34,381 --> 00:08:52,132\n我們要提早去面對因為其實像我自己是久而易受在乎我們那邊大樓就是軟腳下大樓所以它也是立即倒塌所以這樣的一個其實它相對的危險度是非常高的所以可能麻煩針對這個部分內政部應該要有一個專案來去做針對全面普查\n\n24\n00:08:52,772 --> 00:09:19,211\n我們會跟地方政府來做一些努力不過我20秒跟你報告一下因為建築物它是不是軟腳狹它這個會因為它的建築的基地的形狀會有影響像這一棟的話因為它剛好在轉角所以它那個轉彎的另外一角它是圓弧形的這個都會影響到這個有關這個部分的話我覺得當然專家學者比我們更清楚我覺得這個部分我們應該全面的來檢討\n\n25\n00:09:20,452 --> 00:09:47,347\n然後另外就是由於少子化跟年輕人從事營建業意願不足所以我們可以看到從你們110年提出的這個調查報告來說全國勞工空缺的總人數有118102人那其中又以模板工、泥水工、鋼筋工、缺工最多所以反映一般傳統的常駐工法的困境所以呢根據國內外的文獻調查我們現在建築\n\n26\n00:09:48,388 --> 00:10:04,884\n工程如果採用御出工法可以減少20%到50%的人力跟工企可以有效解決人工短缺的問題也可以提高也可以帶動我們的營建業的升級我想請教一下部長就是說我們內政部在113年2月22號有訂定發布了\n\n27\n00:10:08,928 --> 00:10:36,357\n建築物預出率評定專業機構申請指定作業要點跟建築物預出率申請評定作業要點那從2月22號裡面寫說生肖日期另行公佈那但到現在都還沒有公佈本席有問建築研究所他說由國土署決定問國土署國土署有說由建築研究所決定那這樣對於兩個都在內政部的單位互踢皮球請問部長\n\n28\n00:10:37,717 --> 00:11:04,469\n到底是誰來決定施行的日期?這個應該是我們建研所的部分我再來瞭解一下再跟委員做回報我請吳署長做說明跟委員報告因為建研所負責的就是他的一個申請評定的作業要點那他是在技術單位那行政部門的話大概就是放在我們署的這個都更的\n\n29\n00:11:06,069 --> 00:11:24,836\n這個榮獎獎勵辦法裏面這目前已經在作業當中我們希望在今年...對我知道但是從2月22號到現在已經快要兩個月了那這個公佈的日期生效日期都還沒公佈不是是在我們的這個榮獎的那個辦法裏面要去做修正那這個在今年會提出來因為它涉及到修法\n\n30\n00:11:25,714 --> 00:11:34,299\n所以還要再等你們修法之後那為什麼我們打電話去跟貴單位國土署請教的時候去說這次建築鹽肉所對他是負責評定也就是他負責這一塊那我們是負責把他放到容積獎勵的項目去\n\n31\n00:11:40,393 --> 00:11:53,363\n主席可不可以再給我一分鐘的時間現在就是我們國土署剛講到還有建築研究所目前國土署的這個負責全國建管這個業務的建管組只有25人\n\n32\n00:11:56,986 --> 00:12:14,476\n編織是25人目前只有18人還有17位是非正式員工建築研究所的正式職員就有47人法定編織就有5388萬平均每個人不包括獎金就115萬年度的執政施政亮點各位可以看到還停在110年\n\n33\n00:12:16,337 --> 00:12:41,266\n所以本席認為這個建築研究所的委員長等退休的這個心態若不改的話本席建議全部歸建並入國土署的建管組不曉得部長同不同意他們兩個的業務是完全不一樣的這個委員跟你報告他其實是一個技術的一個部門跟單位其實他還有包括好多的包括建材的實驗等等的一個研究室\n\n34\n00:12:42,246 --> 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各部會加總起來可能就可能也許會從\n可能達到數百億到數十億都有可能嗎因為後續的一個重建包括在這很多危老然後很多的這些紅單黃單的這些相關的危險建築物有可能後續都還有很多需要補強還有很多需要做改建啊各方面都可能這個相關的費用目前的話等於說跨部會還沒有提出來所需要的相關經費是嗎\n我跟委員報告剛剛在提到的建物的重建目前有需要的是51間但是它不是每一個都是每一棟它也有單間的所以這個金額不一因為後續有重建的程序\n重建的部分後續主要的資金來源會從震災基金會還有包括縣政府的相關捐款另外就是我們的住宅基金這個跟我們要重建復原可能會使用到公務的預算這個是分開的請問這樣的經費夠嗎?您剛提到的\n因為剛剛講的嘛那個震災基金會大概是9億的捐款嘛對您剛剛提到這樣個購我們來針對所有後續包括重建的部分是跟委員報告震災基金會的部分因為它是一個基金會它有一個董事會的一個機制那它會是這次0403捐進來多少錢這些錢全部都要用在0403的這個震災跟相關重建的費用上面但是震災基金會它目前還有本金\n他自己現在還有本金所以必要的時候也可以動用我剛提到其實最後重建的經費要花費很大的一筆數目尤其不是只有花蓮可能台北、新北也有很多這樣子的問題所以這個部分請問政府打算編列多少的預算進行災後重建\n委員會報告剛剛在提到的我們的其實本來的機制還有包括震災的這個捐款還有包括本來的基金會其實都有錢像現在的那個震災基金會應該還有三四億的一個本金另外剛剛在講的所以是否足夠支援這一次0403的相關後續重建的經費\n譬如說像台八線的一個重建它需要的時間會很長那我相信未來中央部它會逐年的去編列預算就像過去中橫公路或者南橫公路的這個計畫是一樣的工建預算就可以來cover工建預算就可以來cover\n本席在這邊要求是不是可以用年度就是編列這個年度的預算先匡列之後然後再一次編列分期執行就是有關0403的一個特別的這個經費是這部分行政院會再做進一步的一個整合謝謝\n然後再來就是有關在這一次的這個地震我們也看到很多其實大家都很擔心自己住家的問題尤其是很多住在雙北的根據在2013年的時候就提出說在台北市發生規模7.3級的地震恐怕會有3萬5千棟的房屋倒塌而且我們最近統計的這個這個有關全國平均屋齡大概是32年然後其中\n臺北市的屋齡大概是37.6年另外,25年以上的住宅佔比也達79.2%,佔6都之冠所以目前,而且我們現在地震中心也研究,在未來的50年會再發生規模\n0以上的強震大概也有54%的機率所以針對這樣子這麼多可能還有沒有辦法這個面對下一次如果有大戰的時候的這些建築的話請問一下針對老屋是不是可以先要求進行強制的建整\n因為房子都是屬於個人的一個財產那我們是不是能夠強制要求他做建設我們還是比較呼籲民眾因為現在我們政府都有補助然後這個也一直做宣導那我們希望這個民眾可以提出來針對他自己的房子來做建設的一個工作我剛講的是有危險有立即危險或是有相關的是不是我們這部分應該要提早預防\n如果它是有危險那就是變成要另外的處理另外還有這次天王星倒塌就是典型的軟腳下的建築物那針對全國這樣子的一個軟腳下的建築物是不是要請專家能夠再提供就是我希望我們政府能夠做到全面普查如果針對這方面的能夠提供補強的一個建議那是不是可以這個請\n這部分其實專家還在做鑑定這個我想我們會以這個鑑定來做一些相關的檢討那你提到的軟腳蝦的建築的這個事情其實也不是今天才有\n我們要提早去面對因為其實像我自己是久而易受在乎我們那邊大樓就是軟腳下大樓所以它也是立即倒塌所以這樣的一個其實它相對的危險度是非常高的所以可能麻煩針對這個部分內政部應該要有一個專案來去做針對全面普查\n我們會跟地方政府來做一些努力不過我20秒跟你報告一下因為建築物它是不是軟腳狹它這個會因為它的建築的基地的形狀會有影響像這一棟的話因為它剛好在轉角所以它那個轉彎的另外一角它是圓弧形的這個都會影響到這個有關這個部分的話我覺得當然專家學者比我們更清楚我覺得這個部分我們應該全面的來檢討\n然後另外就是由於少子化跟年輕人從事營建業意願不足所以我們可以看到從你們110年提出的這個調查報告來說全國勞工空缺的總人數有118102人那其中又以模板工、泥水工、鋼筋工、缺工最多所以反映一般傳統的常駐工法的困境所以呢根據國內外的文獻調查我們現在建築\n工程如果採用御出工法可以減少20%到50%的人力跟工企可以有效解決人工短缺的問題也可以提高也可以帶動我們的營建業的升級我想請教一下部長就是說我們內政部在113年2月22號有訂定發布了\n建築物預出率評定專業機構申請指定作業要點跟建築物預出率申請評定作業要點那從2月22號裡面寫說生肖日期另行公佈那但到現在都還沒有公佈本席有問建築研究所他說由國土署決定問國土署國土署有說由建築研究所決定那這樣對於兩個都在內政部的單位互踢皮球請問部長\n到底是誰來決定施行的日期?這個應該是我們建研所的部分我再來瞭解一下再跟委員做回報我請吳署長做說明跟委員報告因為建研所負責的就是他的一個申請評定的作業要點那他是在技術單位那行政部門的話大概就是放在我們署的這個都更的\n這個榮獎獎勵辦法裏面這目前已經在作業當中我們希望在今年...對我知道但是從2月22號到現在已經快要兩個月了那這個公佈的日期生效日期都還沒公佈不是是在我們的這個榮獎的那個辦法裏面要去做修正那這個在今年會提出來因為它涉及到修法\n所以還要再等你們修法之後那為什麼我們打電話去跟貴單位國土署請教的時候去說這次建築鹽肉所對他是負責評定也就是他負責這一塊那我們是負責把他放到容積獎勵的項目去\n主席可不可以再給我一分鐘的時間現在就是我們國土署剛講到還有建築研究所目前國土署的這個負責全國建管這個業務的建管組只有25人\n編織是25人目前只有18人還有17位是非正式員工建築研究所的正式職員就有47人法定編織就有5388萬平均每個人不包括獎金就115萬年度的執政施政亮點各位可以看到還停在110年\n所以本席認為這個建築研究所的委員長等退休的這個心態若不改的話本席建議全部歸建並入國土署的建管組不曉得部長同不同意他們兩個的業務是完全不一樣的這個委員跟你報告他其實是一個技術的一個部門跟單位其實他還有包括好多的包括建材的實驗等等的一個研究室\n我日前其實才到台南去看過,如果有機會其實也可以去參加,就針對他們的一個相關的工作會更清楚。我想針對一個在已經三年了提出執政亮點的這個建築研究所,我是覺得其實應該要來協助我們全國的建管,地震檢查也許可以創造更多的效益。所以請部長一個月內提供資料給本席,好嗎?好的,好,謝謝。好,謝謝李政委員,謝謝部長,謝謝。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.925 --> 00:04.386\n請徐議政委員質詢,謝謝主席,我們請內政部林右昌部長我們請林部長,謝謝\n\n00:24.211 --> 00:39.664\n委員好部長好我想最近我們因為0403的這個震災內政部的同仁大家都辛苦了我想在這次救災的過程中大家都站在第一線希望能夠把災害降到最低那這邊本席要救這次的這個\n\n00:40.465 --> 01:05.560\n有關0403震災的這個相關的報告請教一下林部長就是有關剛剛您報告的就是我們的內政部清查建築物的受損狀況到4月11號為止是總共1315件那紅單有51件黃單有92件那當然就遍佈在6個縣市那目前的話請教一下部長不知道現在是不是有更新的數字\n\n01:08.131 --> 01:28.140\n這個是最新的數字最新的數字是1315件那請問一下就是我看到我們現在有30項的救補助方案嘛針對租屋需求的話政府可以提供補助大概8000到1800以人口數那請問一下受災戶如果他本來就是租屋族的話那他可以有補助嗎\n\n01:30.470 --> 01:44.335\n對,只要是他有居住的事實就可以有補助只要是有居住的事實就可以有補助所以就是他即使是更為弱勢的租屋主也是可以受到這個租金的補助是嗎?是,因為他就是受損的災民\n\n01:47.276 --> 02:14.259\n那另外就是想請教一下那個部長就是說在這次房屋出現了很多的問題所以根據媒體報導營建水泥等產業界認為短期恢復災損規模的預估要百億元起跳長期來看可能要花費數千億那4月8號的時候我看到政府院長在主持跨部會的會議的時候有提到過就是災後的復原重建所需的經費\n\n02:15.660 --> 02:39.210\n財源的籌印必須一次到位。」那我想請教一下目前就是我們初估出來的災損的重建金額大概是多少?跟委員報的它會分成幾個部分第一個是災害發生的時候我們搶救災第二個現在是在收容然後現在是要安置那接下來是重建另外這個復原\n\n02:40.350 --> 03:08.619\n那重建跟復原的部分他會涉及相關的部會我想最大的經費可能是交通部的部分就是交通的部分那我們自己的話就是國家公園我們自己國家公園出估當然是會有超過10億不過這個因為現在災區都還有相關的一個這個餘震的這種狀況所以這個還要進行等比較穩定之後還要再進行更實施的所以就是各部會加總起來可能就可能也許會從\n\n03:09.739 --> 03:33.146\n可能達到數百億到數十億都有可能嗎因為後續的一個重建包括在這很多危老然後很多的這些紅單黃單的這些相關的危險建築物有可能後續都還有很多需要補強還有很多需要做改建啊各方面都可能這個相關的費用目前的話等於說跨部會還沒有提出來所需要的相關經費是嗎\n\n03:34.546 --> 03:50.260\n我跟委員報告剛剛在提到的建物的重建目前有需要的是51間但是它不是每一個都是每一棟它也有單間的所以這個金額不一因為後續有重建的程序\n\n03:52.661 --> 04:12.667\n重建的部分後續主要的資金來源會從震災基金會還有包括縣政府的相關捐款另外就是我們的住宅基金這個跟我們要重建復原可能會使用到公務的預算這個是分開的請問這樣的經費夠嗎?您剛提到的\n\n04:14.868 --> 04:43.083\n因為剛剛講的嘛那個震災基金會大概是9億的捐款嘛對您剛剛提到這樣個購我們來針對所有後續包括重建的部分是跟委員報告震災基金會的部分因為它是一個基金會它有一個董事會的一個機制那它會是這次0403捐進來多少錢這些錢全部都要用在0403的這個震災跟相關重建的費用上面但是震災基金會它目前還有本金\n\n04:43.943 --> 05:06.099\n他自己現在還有本金所以必要的時候也可以動用我剛提到其實最後重建的經費要花費很大的一筆數目尤其不是只有花蓮可能台北、新北也有很多這樣子的問題所以這個部分請問政府打算編列多少的預算進行災後重建\n\n05:06.739 --> 05:28.706\n委員會報告剛剛在提到的我們的其實本來的機制還有包括震災的這個捐款還有包括本來的基金會其實都有錢像現在的那個震災基金會應該還有三四億的一個本金另外剛剛在講的所以是否足夠支援這一次0403的相關後續重建的經費\n\n05:29.566 --> 05:46.232\n譬如說像台八線的一個重建它需要的時間會很長那我相信未來中央部它會逐年的去編列預算就像過去中橫公路或者南橫公路的這個計畫是一樣的工建預算就可以來cover工建預算就可以來cover\n\n05:53.874 --> 06:13.725\n本席在這邊要求是不是可以用年度就是編列這個年度的預算先匡列之後然後再一次編列分期執行就是有關0403的一個特別的這個經費是這部分行政院會再做進一步的一個整合謝謝\n\n06:15.126 --> 06:37.493\n然後再來就是有關在這一次的這個地震我們也看到很多其實大家都很擔心自己住家的問題尤其是很多住在雙北的根據在2013年的時候就提出說在台北市發生規模7.3級的地震恐怕會有3萬5千棟的房屋倒塌而且我們最近統計的這個這個有關全國平均屋齡大概是32年然後其中\n\n06:41.794 --> 06:48.059\n臺北市的屋齡大概是37.6年另外,25年以上的住宅佔比也達79.2%,佔6都之冠所以目前,而且我們現在地震中心也研究,在未來的50年會再發生規模\n\n06:59.389 --> 07:17.089\n0以上的強震大概也有54%的機率所以針對這樣子這麼多可能還有沒有辦法這個面對下一次如果有大戰的時候的這些建築的話請問一下針對老屋是不是可以先要求進行強制的建整\n\n07:19.792 --> 07:47.108\n因為房子都是屬於個人的一個財產那我們是不是能夠強制要求他做建設我們還是比較呼籲民眾因為現在我們政府都有補助然後這個也一直做宣導那我們希望這個民眾可以提出來針對他自己的房子來做建設的一個工作我剛講的是有危險有立即危險或是有相關的是不是我們這部分應該要提早預防\n\n07:48.809 --> 08:16.461\n如果它是有危險那就是變成要另外的處理另外還有這次天王星倒塌就是典型的軟腳下的建築物那針對全國這樣子的一個軟腳下的建築物是不是要請專家能夠再提供就是我希望我們政府能夠做到全面普查如果針對這方面的能夠提供補強的一個建議那是不是可以這個請\n\n08:19.183 --> 08:33.520\n這部分其實專家還在做鑑定這個我想我們會以這個鑑定來做一些相關的檢討那你提到的軟腳蝦的建築的這個事情其實也不是今天才有\n\n08:34.381 --> 08:52.132\n我們要提早去面對因為其實像我自己是久而易受在乎我們那邊大樓就是軟腳下大樓所以它也是立即倒塌所以這樣的一個其實它相對的危險度是非常高的所以可能麻煩針對這個部分內政部應該要有一個專案來去做針對全面普查\n\n08:52.772 --> 09:19.211\n我們會跟地方政府來做一些努力不過我20秒跟你報告一下因為建築物它是不是軟腳狹它這個會因為它的建築的基地的形狀會有影響像這一棟的話因為它剛好在轉角所以它那個轉彎的另外一角它是圓弧形的這個都會影響到這個有關這個部分的話我覺得當然專家學者比我們更清楚我覺得這個部分我們應該全面的來檢討\n\n09:20.452 --> 09:47.347\n然後另外就是由於少子化跟年輕人從事營建業意願不足所以我們可以看到從你們110年提出的這個調查報告來說全國勞工空缺的總人數有118102人那其中又以模板工、泥水工、鋼筋工、缺工最多所以反映一般傳統的常駐工法的困境所以呢根據國內外的文獻調查我們現在建築\n\n09:48.388 --> 10:04.884\n工程如果採用御出工法可以減少20%到50%的人力跟工企可以有效解決人工短缺的問題也可以提高也可以帶動我們的營建業的升級我想請教一下部長就是說我們內政部在113年2月22號有訂定發布了\n\n10:08.928 --> 10:36.357\n建築物預出率評定專業機構申請指定作業要點跟建築物預出率申請評定作業要點那從2月22號裡面寫說生肖日期另行公佈那但到現在都還沒有公佈本席有問建築研究所他說由國土署決定問國土署國土署有說由建築研究所決定那這樣對於兩個都在內政部的單位互踢皮球請問部長\n\n10:37.717 --> 11:04.469\n到底是誰來決定施行的日期?這個應該是我們建研所的部分我再來瞭解一下再跟委員做回報我請吳署長做說明跟委員報告因為建研所負責的就是他的一個申請評定的作業要點那他是在技術單位那行政部門的話大概就是放在我們署的這個都更的\n\n11:06.069 --> 11:24.836\n這個榮獎獎勵辦法裏面這目前已經在作業當中我們希望在今年...對我知道但是從2月22號到現在已經快要兩個月了那這個公佈的日期生效日期都還沒公佈不是是在我們的這個榮獎的那個辦法裏面要去做修正那這個在今年會提出來因為它涉及到修法\n\n11:25.714 --> 11:34.299\n所以還要再等你們修法之後那為什麼我們打電話去跟貴單位國土署請教的時候去說這次建築鹽肉所對他是負責評定也就是他負責這一塊那我們是負責把他放到容積獎勵的項目去\n\n11:40.393 --> 11:53.363\n主席可不可以再給我一分鐘的時間現在就是我們國土署剛講到還有建築研究所目前國土署的這個負責全國建管這個業務的建管組只有25人\n\n11:56.986 --> 12:14.476\n編織是25人目前只有18人還有17位是非正式員工建築研究所的正式職員就有47人法定編織就有5388萬平均每個人不包括獎金就115萬年度的執政施政亮點各位可以看到還停在110年\n\n12:16.337 --> 12:41.266\n所以本席認為這個建築研究所的委員長等退休的這個心態若不改的話本席建議全部歸建並入國土署的建管組不曉得部長同不同意他們兩個的業務是完全不一樣的這個委員跟你報告他其實是一個技術的一個部門跟單位其實他還有包括好多的包括建材的實驗等等的一個研究室\n\n12:42.246 --> 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