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00:03:00,852\n那我想這個部分要請部長來多多協助是我們把委員的意見來做反應那另外還是就回到我們的這個受災戶的給付就是像我們受災戶的有房貸的這個問題那如果被認定是紅單黃單銀行可以免去利息2到5年的利息的這個繳交那但是要出具證明那請教部長這個證明是由誰來發布\n\n8\n00:03:07,901 --> 00:03:24,381\n報告委員,他這個是這樣,他就是這個受災戶的部分有提出他這個相關的這個居住事實的證明或里長的證明那第二個他是要跟銀行端申請,那所以這個部分在金管會那邊過去都有這樣的一個作業方式署長那個認定的那個證明單是由哪一個單位來出去認明?\n\n9\n00:03:28,184 --> 00:03:53,219\n這個部分可能我們還要再了解部長這個部分我想說因為救災是要從寬的進速要確實如果沒有還沒有確定的單位是不是能夠由鄉鎮公所第一線來認定因為他們最直接就會知道嘛讓他更快的來協助災民這部分出去介紹跟我們報告那我們會有個來跟金管會跟他們確認一下謝謝署長謝謝\n\n10\n00:03:56,321 --> 00:04:13,652\n那部長這次除了我想我們在講到這個紅單的這個這個公佈我們全台灣除了台北市全數公告公開揭露紅黃單的住所以外那包括這次最嚴重的花蓮縣都沒有在網路上揭露紅單的住所\n\n11\n00:04:14,412 --> 00:04:31,783\n那這個部分我相信像現在我們在買房子民主國會連凶宅都要登記在這個不動產說明書裡面的那這個部分是不是國土署這邊是國土署嗎還是在內政部這個資料是不是也可以公開讓大家知道因為未來買房子的時候他還是一個很好的依據吧\n\n12\n00:04:32,863 --> 00:04:49,897\n這個是地方政府的權責這所有受災的房子都必須要彙整到地方政府地方政府在彙整這個給我們的相關的單位這個公告網路公告不是在部裡邊這邊嗎沒有那個縣市政府他必須要調查他要給我們我說如果有給因為這個不是因為這個不是我們去調查的\n\n13\n00:04:52,959 --> 00:05:20,273\n公佈是部裡面公佈嗎?沒有,這個縣市政府自己就應該要公佈網路上面?他自己就應該要公佈這樣子?對好,這是縣市政府的責任本期想要表達就是說,像這樣的資訊應該更公開、特別讓民眾來知道對,當然,這個我贊成好,那部長,生命無價那在25年前發生的921地震地震教育了我們一件很重要的事就是在房屋結構這件事情\n\n14\n00:05:22,534 --> 00:05:41,119\n921之後我們在新的法規要求新的房設業必須在建築耐震力這邊要有一定程度的加強不過我們現在台灣還是有很多的房子是在922之前就建好的那這些房子必須要做出品就是我們說的老屋快篩對不對\n\n15\n00:05:43,308 --> 00:06:10,767\n那部長剛剛有提到說這個費用會來補助這個補助是由中央還是由地方來補助?這個請吳署長說明好謝謝各位報告我們大概從108年開始有連續3年做了所謂的建築物快篩這幾月在之前有做過那也把做出來認為有疑慮的都已經有通報給各地方政府那請他們自己平常要針對這些建築物要善加通知去做管理\n\n16\n00:06:11,187 --> 00:06:33,030\n那處長那個費用是我們中央補助還是...這是我們過去我們在自己的經費已經有...是營建署...對...因為國土署裡面全部...全部有補助不是是我們自己跟文包是我們自己去在108年開始連3年去做了這個快篩那如果說快篩完以後被通知的\n\n17\n00:06:33,490 --> 00:06:50,236\n那他有疑慮的話他可以申請內政補強的相關的出享品那出享品晚若確認要做的話我們還有內政補強的經費那出享品的費用也是由我們所謂的我們是有補助啦也沒有說全部是補助啦那不夠的部分是由地方政府嗎\n\n18\n00:06:51,883 --> 00:07:07,018\n出享品因為是涉及到民眾的財產他還有一部分要自己自付民眾他沒有要求或是他不去要求的話你屬於的財產嘛我如果不去做這個我們也不敢我們沒有辦法去強制嘛是這個的確是屬於民眾財產\n\n19\n00:07:09,921 --> 00:07:38,730\n是這樣子齁因為本期所了解到的就是我們進入快篩是臺北市是有補助一件是八千元台南市是六千到八千那是出祥品出祥品投文嘛對不對那是快篩快篩是我們自己做的那這樣出祥品齁那本期底下就是出祥品如果以臺北市來看三四五年以上的救防車大概六十幾萬戶它這個出祥品的費用大概五十億啦甚至差不多五十億啦齁那這個可能對直轄市政府來講它才比較充裕它可以負擔得起\n\n20\n00:07:39,870 --> 00:08:04,296\n不過像台東縣啊這些關於花東地區財政情況沒有這麼好的縣市他可能光是一億元的經費他都財政都被拖垮那這個地方而且我們花東地區啊就是位置在我們黃太平洋的這個黃太平洋的地震帶上面啊基於每天都會有地震發生喔更急需要去做這樣出品的補助那本席也是建立我們財政較弱的這些縣市喔相關經費中央應該優先來編列來補助地方來辦理署長這一點你懂嗎\n\n21\n00:08:07,877 --> 00:08:28,210\n跟我們報告我們在其實每一件都有給這個一萬二到一萬五的這個補助啦所以應該來講一般的出品的話是夠那產品我們最高也可以給到40萬那所以這個都是鼓勵民眾來申請這邊就是請蘇聯面前來獨立的縣市財政不是這麼好的縣市來作為協助謝謝署長謝謝\n\n22\n00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:50,896\n那另外在這一次的地震去凸顯出另外一個花東更大的問題就是交通花東地區要來台北大概就是一個要坐飛機那網路上不是開車就是火車那這次地震看到整個公路斷掉火車停駛完全中斷的情況之下\n\n23\n00:08:53,317 --> 00:09:14,966\n就是在這裡要呼籲我們交通部應該要趕快提送我們的這個蘇花公路安全提升的計畫報告那蘇花安未來也要比照國道有抗七級地震的能力另外在這個交叉會有落實的地方也該用這個民隧道用隧道應用因為從所有的畫面看到\n\n24\n00:09:15,746 --> 00:09:31,324\n民粹倒在這一次的災害發生很大很大的作用能夠讓這些車輛能夠躲避第一時間的這個危險的發生那這邊我想請交通部是不是趕快來背頭相關資料送給環境部讓蘇花安能夠找一日來那個環境能夠通過\n\n25\n00:09:32,924 --> 00:09:55,462\n市長來請你回答謝謝主席我們是不是請公路局林副局長就蘇花安以及臺九臺八的未來公路復建的任性提出來說明主席您可以簡單一點蘇花安的環境說明書的修正的部分我們在4月底我們會提到環境部去那\n\n26\n00:09:56,703 --> 00:10:10,858\n這個就是環評的部分我們會儘速讓跟委員說明讓整個案子通過那整個台酒的韌性的部分我們包括我們未來整個作業我們包括這次的震災的修復我們會考量\n\n27\n00:10:12,305 --> 00:10:28,548\n盡可能以民隧道的方式去然後在不影響環境警官的範圍之下我們會提高他們的韌性以上報告謝謝這邊要求補充盡快因為你看到這次綠斷掉幾乎東部都整個孤島那我們就將我們整個\n\n28\n00:10:29,289 --> 00:10:52,841\n不管是人的運輸還有甚至農村產品的運輸都發生很大的問題那接下來要提的就是說那這次雖然這次地震對我們台東的這個農業沒有造成太大的影響因為台東的整個蔬果在運輸上不會造成很大的負擔因為現在整個運輸道路必須走南回走西部到北部那這部分是不是增加運輸成本是不是你要謝謝我們農業部這邊補助這些運費\n\n29\n00:10:55,322 --> 00:11:03,770\n未來在短期時間蘇花公路的大型貨車還沒辦法進行運輸的時候請農業部將相關補貼持續到蘇花公路完成修繕這部分要求對立陣來補充農業部的運輸所以您是在問農糧署?對,是在運輸補助這一塊\n\n30\n00:11:21,722 --> 00:11:32,477\n主席以及各位有關這個塑化公路中斷的這些運匯的補助我們會實際到整個塑化公路通車之後再實際來進行好謝謝主委好謝謝主委能夠幫忙\n\n31\n00:11:35,939 --> 00:11:51,989\n好這個質詢時間到了所以還有要質詢的嗎謝謝主席主委本席這邊最後還是跟我們部長部長相信部長接下來可能有新的職務那部長本席跟部長都曾經當過地方的首長\n\n32\n00:11:53,370 --> 00:12:18,399\n我們是在鄉鎮那部長之前是在市府裡面在面對這麼大的重大的災害的時候地方真的很需要中央的協助那在這邊我想我要請部長在到新的任務之前能夠盡力的來完成盡快的協助我們華聯地區的災情的恢復那這邊也祝福我們部長未來的一切發展能夠順遂好人也是平安謝謝部長\n\n33\n00:12:19,219 --> 00:12:20,180\n中央與地方不分\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n9714\t10435\t謝謝主席,有請內政部長\n20057\t47617\t部長早安部長早部長首先好像對於我們4月3號發生的這個花蓮地震感到非常遺憾那首先也要謝謝部長及所有救災的弟兄在第一時間前往花蓮災區來協助就在本席靠岸記者會之後部會這邊也即刻的反應來協助我們花蓮的這些鄉親那謝謝部長同時我們想要對所有的遺憾者家屬感到哀悼那在這邊有幾件事情跟部長就教\n51704\t81347\t部長這次花蓮的大地震有些房子被列為紅單跟黃單那這個黃單紅單是有分類的標準不過災民享有的這個救助卻不太一樣那本席來舉例就有民眾還陳情說像這個中華電信有列為給這個紅單的住戶他在網路費、市化費用免三個月的這個吹角我想這也應該啦因為房子都壞掉也不能住了嘛所以要免徵這個費用嘛那但是黃單就沒有這樣的優惠喔\n82327\t110356\t那中原來了那黃丹的住戶在他現在短時間之內也沒辦法回到家裡面那這個部分是不是能夠也來比照來辦理那我想不只是電信費然後水費、瓦斯費、電費這些民生我們會繳交的費用身為在身為已身為救災總專口的這個內政部長未來這一塊要怎麼來規劃來協助我們的災民是委員跟你報告紅丹黃丹它程度還是有很大的差別是一個紅丹就是很簡單就是要拆掉\n111578\t131832\t他就是要拆掉然後而且他是現在是不能住的那黃丹的話呢黃丹的話他有可能是旁邊有危險物啊等等他程度不一他有可能這些危險物或者說他達到可居住的狀況他就馬上可以回去居住所以他的程度是有很大的一個差異\n132472\t158753\t當然這邊有人關心的這個課題因為這個涉及這個中華電信的部分我們再來進一步去了解是請部長這邊也可以跟跨部來協助一下因為我相信在這個時候災民都需要極大的協助那當然有些他是黃灘黃灘是有不同的程度但是我相信受災戶需要協助的心情都是一樣的那一點點小小幫助我相信對於當地民眾他是很大的感受\n159153\t180852\t那我想這個部分要請部長來多多協助是我們把委員的意見來做反應那另外還是就回到我們的這個受災戶的給付就是像我們受災戶的有房貸的這個問題那如果被認定是紅單黃單銀行可以免去利息2到5年的利息的這個繳交那但是要出具證明那請教部長這個證明是由誰來發布\n187901\t204381\t報告委員,他這個是這樣,他就是這個受災戶的部分有提出他這個相關的這個居住事實的證明或里長的證明那第二個他是要跟銀行端申請,那所以這個部分在金管會那邊過去都有這樣的一個作業方式署長那個認定的那個證明單是由哪一個單位來出去認明?\n208184\t233219\t這個部分可能我們還要再了解部長這個部分我想說因為救災是要從寬的進速要確實如果沒有還沒有確定的單位是不是能夠由鄉鎮公所第一線來認定因為他們最直接就會知道嘛讓他更快的來協助災民這部分出去介紹跟我們報告那我們會有個來跟金管會跟他們確認一下謝謝署長謝謝\n236321\t253652\t那部長這次除了我想我們在講到這個紅單的這個這個公佈我們全台灣除了台北市全數公告公開揭露紅黃單的住所以外那包括這次最嚴重的花蓮縣都沒有在網路上揭露紅單的住所\n254412\t271783\t那這個部分我相信像現在我們在買房子民主國會連凶宅都要登記在這個不動產說明書裡面的那這個部分是不是國土署這邊是國土署嗎還是在內政部這個資料是不是也可以公開讓大家知道因為未來買房子的時候他還是一個很好的依據吧\n272863\t289897\t這個是地方政府的權責這所有受災的房子都必須要彙整到地方政府地方政府在彙整這個給我們的相關的單位這個公告網路公告不是在部裡邊這邊嗎沒有那個縣市政府他必須要調查他要給我們我說如果有給因為這個不是因為這個不是我們去調查的\n292959\t320273\t公佈是部裡面公佈嗎?沒有,這個縣市政府自己就應該要公佈網路上面?他自己就應該要公佈這樣子?對好,這是縣市政府的責任本期想要表達就是說,像這樣的資訊應該更公開、特別讓民眾來知道對,當然,這個我贊成好,那部長,生命無價那在25年前發生的921地震地震教育了我們一件很重要的事就是在房屋結構這件事情\n322534\t341119\t921之後我們在新的法規要求新的房設業必須在建築耐震力這邊要有一定程度的加強不過我們現在台灣還是有很多的房子是在922之前就建好的那這些房子必須要做出品就是我們說的老屋快篩對不對\n343308\t370767\t那部長剛剛有提到說這個費用會來補助這個補助是由中央還是由地方來補助?這個請吳署長說明好 謝謝各位報告我們大概從108年開始有連續3年做了所謂的建築物快篩這幾月在之前有做過那也把做出來認為有疑慮的都已經有通報給各地方政府那請他們自己平常要針對這些建築物要善加通知去做管理\n371187\t393030\t那處長那個費用是我們中央補助還是...這是我們過去我們在自己的經費已經有...是營建署...對...因為國土署裡面全部...全部有補助不是是我們自己跟文包是我們自己去在108年開始連3年去做了這個快篩那如果說快篩完以後被通知的\n393490\t410236\t那他有疑慮的話他可以申請內政補強的相關的出享品那出享品晚若確認要做的話我們還有內政補強的經費那出享品的費用也是由我們所謂的我們是有補助啦也沒有說全部是補助啦那不夠的部分是由地方政府嗎\n411883\t427018\t出享品因為是涉及到民眾的財產他還有一部分要自己自付民眾他沒有要求或是他不去要求的話你屬於的財產嘛我如果不去做這個我們也不敢我們沒有辦法去強制嘛是這個的確是屬於民眾財產\n429921\t458730\t是這樣子齁因為本期所了解到的就是我們進入快篩是臺北市是有補助一件是八千元台南市是六千到八千那是出祥品出祥品投文嘛對不對那是快篩快篩是我們自己做的那這樣出祥品齁那本期底下就是出祥品如果以臺北市來看三四五年以上的救防車大概六十幾萬戶它這個出祥品的費用大概五十億啦甚至差不多五十億啦齁那這個可能對直轄市政府來講它才比較充裕它可以負擔得起\n459870\t484296\t不過像台東縣啊這些關於花東地區財政情況沒有這麼好的縣市他可能光是一億元的經費他都財政都被拖垮那這個地方而且我們花東地區啊就是位置在我們黃太平洋的這個黃太平洋的地震帶上面啊基於每天都會有地震發生喔更急需要去做這樣出品的補助那本席也是建立我們財政較弱的這些縣市喔相關經費中央應該優先來編列來補助地方來辦理署長這一點你懂嗎\n487877\t508210\t跟我們報告我們在其實每一件都有給這個一萬二到一萬五的這個補助啦所以應該來講一般的出品的話是夠那產品我們最高也可以給到40萬那所以這個都是鼓勵民眾來申請這邊就是請蘇聯面前來獨立的縣市財政不是這麼好的縣市來作為協助謝謝署長 謝謝\n511960\t530896\t那另外在這一次的地震去凸顯出另外一個花東更大的問題就是交通花東地區要來台北大概就是一個要坐飛機那網路上不是開車就是火車那這次地震看到整個公路斷掉火車停駛完全中斷的情況之下\n533317\t554966\t就是在這裡要呼籲我們交通部應該要趕快提送我們的這個蘇花公路安全提升的計畫報告那蘇花安未來也要比照國道有抗七級地震的能力另外在這個交叉會有落實的地方也該用這個民隧道用隧道應用因為從所有的畫面看到\n555746\t571324\t民粹倒在這一次的災害發生很大很大的作用能夠讓這些車輛能夠躲避第一時間的這個危險的發生那這邊我想請交通部是不是趕快來背頭相關資料送給環境部讓蘇花安能夠找一日來那個環境能夠通過\n572924\t595462\t市長來請你回答謝謝主席我們是不是請公路局林副局長就蘇花安以及臺九臺八的未來公路復建的任性提出來說明主席您可以簡單一點蘇花安的環境說明書的修正的部分我們在4月底我們會提到環境部去那\n596703\t610858\t這個就是環評的部分我們會儘速讓跟委員說明讓整個案子通過那整個台酒的韌性的部分我們包括我們未來整個作業我們包括這次的震災的修復我們會考量\n612305\t628548\t盡可能以民隧道的方式去然後在不影響環境警官的範圍之下我們會提高他們的韌性以上報告謝謝這邊要求補充盡快因為你看到這次綠斷掉幾乎東部都整個孤島那我們就將我們整個\n629289\t652841\t不管是人的運輸還有甚至農村產品的運輸都發生很大的問題那接下來要提的就是說那這次雖然這次地震對我們台東的這個農業沒有造成太大的影響因為台東的整個蔬果在運輸上不會造成很大的負擔因為現在整個運輸道路必須走南回走西部到北部那這部分是不是增加運輸成本是不是你要謝謝我們農業部這邊補助這些運費\n655322\t663770\t未來在短期時間蘇花公路的大型貨車還沒辦法進行運輸的時候請農業部將相關補貼持續到蘇花公路完成修繕這部分要求對立陣來補充農業部的運輸所以您是在問農糧署?對,是在運輸補助這一塊\n681722\t692477\t主席以及各位有關這個塑化公路中斷的這些運匯的補助我們會實際到整個塑化公路通車之後再實際來進行好 謝謝主委好 謝謝主委能夠幫忙\n695939\t711989\t好這個質詢時間到了所以還有要質詢的嗎謝謝主席主委本席這邊最後還是跟我們部長部長相信部長接下來可能有新的職務那部長本席跟部長都曾經當過地方的首長\n713370\t738399\t我們是在鄉鎮那部長之前是在市府裡面在面對這麼大的重大的災害的時候地方真的很需要中央的協助那在這邊我想我要請部長在到新的任務之前能夠盡力的來完成盡快的協助我們華聯地區的災情的恢復那這邊也祝福我們部長未來的一切發展能夠順遂好人也是平安謝謝部長\n739219\t740180\t中央與地方不分\n","txt":"謝謝主席,有請內政部長\n部長早安部長早部長首先好像對於我們4月3號發生的這個花蓮地震感到非常遺憾那首先也要謝謝部長及所有救災的弟兄在第一時間前往花蓮災區來協助就在本席靠岸記者會之後部會這邊也即刻的反應來協助我們花蓮的這些鄉親那謝謝部長同時我們想要對所有的遺憾者家屬感到哀悼那在這邊有幾件事情跟部長就教\n部長這次花蓮的大地震有些房子被列為紅單跟黃單那這個黃單紅單是有分類的標準不過災民享有的這個救助卻不太一樣那本席來舉例就有民眾還陳情說像這個中華電信有列為給這個紅單的住戶他在網路費、市化費用免三個月的這個吹角我想這也應該啦因為房子都壞掉也不能住了嘛所以要免徵這個費用嘛那但是黃單就沒有這樣的優惠喔\n那中原來了那黃丹的住戶在他現在短時間之內也沒辦法回到家裡面那這個部分是不是能夠也來比照來辦理那我想不只是電信費然後水費、瓦斯費、電費這些民生我們會繳交的費用身為在身為已身為救災總專口的這個內政部長未來這一塊要怎麼來規劃來協助我們的災民是委員跟你報告紅丹黃丹它程度還是有很大的差別是一個紅丹就是很簡單就是要拆掉\n他就是要拆掉然後而且他是現在是不能住的那黃丹的話呢黃丹的話他有可能是旁邊有危險物啊等等他程度不一他有可能這些危險物或者說他達到可居住的狀況他就馬上可以回去居住所以他的程度是有很大的一個差異\n當然這邊有人關心的這個課題因為這個涉及這個中華電信的部分我們再來進一步去了解是請部長這邊也可以跟跨部來協助一下因為我相信在這個時候災民都需要極大的協助那當然有些他是黃灘黃灘是有不同的程度但是我相信受災戶需要協助的心情都是一樣的那一點點小小幫助我相信對於當地民眾他是很大的感受\n那我想這個部分要請部長來多多協助是我們把委員的意見來做反應那另外還是就回到我們的這個受災戶的給付就是像我們受災戶的有房貸的這個問題那如果被認定是紅單黃單銀行可以免去利息2到5年的利息的這個繳交那但是要出具證明那請教部長這個證明是由誰來發布\n報告委員,他這個是這樣,他就是這個受災戶的部分有提出他這個相關的這個居住事實的證明或里長的證明那第二個他是要跟銀行端申請,那所以這個部分在金管會那邊過去都有這樣的一個作業方式署長那個認定的那個證明單是由哪一個單位來出去認明?\n這個部分可能我們還要再了解部長這個部分我想說因為救災是要從寬的進速要確實如果沒有還沒有確定的單位是不是能夠由鄉鎮公所第一線來認定因為他們最直接就會知道嘛讓他更快的來協助災民這部分出去介紹跟我們報告那我們會有個來跟金管會跟他們確認一下謝謝署長謝謝\n那部長這次除了我想我們在講到這個紅單的這個這個公佈我們全台灣除了台北市全數公告公開揭露紅黃單的住所以外那包括這次最嚴重的花蓮縣都沒有在網路上揭露紅單的住所\n那這個部分我相信像現在我們在買房子民主國會連凶宅都要登記在這個不動產說明書裡面的那這個部分是不是國土署這邊是國土署嗎還是在內政部這個資料是不是也可以公開讓大家知道因為未來買房子的時候他還是一個很好的依據吧\n這個是地方政府的權責這所有受災的房子都必須要彙整到地方政府地方政府在彙整這個給我們的相關的單位這個公告網路公告不是在部裡邊這邊嗎沒有那個縣市政府他必須要調查他要給我們我說如果有給因為這個不是因為這個不是我們去調查的\n公佈是部裡面公佈嗎?沒有,這個縣市政府自己就應該要公佈網路上面?他自己就應該要公佈這樣子?對好,這是縣市政府的責任本期想要表達就是說,像這樣的資訊應該更公開、特別讓民眾來知道對,當然,這個我贊成好,那部長,生命無價那在25年前發生的921地震地震教育了我們一件很重要的事就是在房屋結構這件事情\n921之後我們在新的法規要求新的房設業必須在建築耐震力這邊要有一定程度的加強不過我們現在台灣還是有很多的房子是在922之前就建好的那這些房子必須要做出品就是我們說的老屋快篩對不對\n那部長剛剛有提到說這個費用會來補助這個補助是由中央還是由地方來補助?這個請吳署長說明好 謝謝各位報告我們大概從108年開始有連續3年做了所謂的建築物快篩這幾月在之前有做過那也把做出來認為有疑慮的都已經有通報給各地方政府那請他們自己平常要針對這些建築物要善加通知去做管理\n那處長那個費用是我們中央補助還是...這是我們過去我們在自己的經費已經有...是營建署...對...因為國土署裡面全部...全部有補助不是是我們自己跟文包是我們自己去在108年開始連3年去做了這個快篩那如果說快篩完以後被通知的\n那他有疑慮的話他可以申請內政補強的相關的出享品那出享品晚若確認要做的話我們還有內政補強的經費那出享品的費用也是由我們所謂的我們是有補助啦也沒有說全部是補助啦那不夠的部分是由地方政府嗎\n出享品因為是涉及到民眾的財產他還有一部分要自己自付民眾他沒有要求或是他不去要求的話你屬於的財產嘛我如果不去做這個我們也不敢我們沒有辦法去強制嘛是這個的確是屬於民眾財產\n是這樣子齁因為本期所了解到的就是我們進入快篩是臺北市是有補助一件是八千元台南市是六千到八千那是出祥品出祥品投文嘛對不對那是快篩快篩是我們自己做的那這樣出祥品齁那本期底下就是出祥品如果以臺北市來看三四五年以上的救防車大概六十幾萬戶它這個出祥品的費用大概五十億啦甚至差不多五十億啦齁那這個可能對直轄市政府來講它才比較充裕它可以負擔得起\n不過像台東縣啊這些關於花東地區財政情況沒有這麼好的縣市他可能光是一億元的經費他都財政都被拖垮那這個地方而且我們花東地區啊就是位置在我們黃太平洋的這個黃太平洋的地震帶上面啊基於每天都會有地震發生喔更急需要去做這樣出品的補助那本席也是建立我們財政較弱的這些縣市喔相關經費中央應該優先來編列來補助地方來辦理署長這一點你懂嗎\n跟我們報告我們在其實每一件都有給這個一萬二到一萬五的這個補助啦所以應該來講一般的出品的話是夠那產品我們最高也可以給到40萬那所以這個都是鼓勵民眾來申請這邊就是請蘇聯面前來獨立的縣市財政不是這麼好的縣市來作為協助謝謝署長 謝謝\n那另外在這一次的地震去凸顯出另外一個花東更大的問題就是交通花東地區要來台北大概就是一個要坐飛機那網路上不是開車就是火車那這次地震看到整個公路斷掉火車停駛完全中斷的情況之下\n就是在這裡要呼籲我們交通部應該要趕快提送我們的這個蘇花公路安全提升的計畫報告那蘇花安未來也要比照國道有抗七級地震的能力另外在這個交叉會有落實的地方也該用這個民隧道用隧道應用因為從所有的畫面看到\n民粹倒在這一次的災害發生很大很大的作用能夠讓這些車輛能夠躲避第一時間的這個危險的發生那這邊我想請交通部是不是趕快來背頭相關資料送給環境部讓蘇花安能夠找一日來那個環境能夠通過\n市長來請你回答謝謝主席我們是不是請公路局林副局長就蘇花安以及臺九臺八的未來公路復建的任性提出來說明主席您可以簡單一點蘇花安的環境說明書的修正的部分我們在4月底我們會提到環境部去那\n這個就是環評的部分我們會儘速讓跟委員說明讓整個案子通過那整個台酒的韌性的部分我們包括我們未來整個作業我們包括這次的震災的修復我們會考量\n盡可能以民隧道的方式去然後在不影響環境警官的範圍之下我們會提高他們的韌性以上報告謝謝這邊要求補充盡快因為你看到這次綠斷掉幾乎東部都整個孤島那我們就將我們整個\n不管是人的運輸還有甚至農村產品的運輸都發生很大的問題那接下來要提的就是說那這次雖然這次地震對我們台東的這個農業沒有造成太大的影響因為台東的整個蔬果在運輸上不會造成很大的負擔因為現在整個運輸道路必須走南回走西部到北部那這部分是不是增加運輸成本是不是你要謝謝我們農業部這邊補助這些運費\n未來在短期時間蘇花公路的大型貨車還沒辦法進行運輸的時候請農業部將相關補貼持續到蘇花公路完成修繕這部分要求對立陣來補充農業部的運輸所以您是在問農糧署?對,是在運輸補助這一塊\n主席以及各位有關這個塑化公路中斷的這些運匯的補助我們會實際到整個塑化公路通車之後再實際來進行好 謝謝主委好 謝謝主委能夠幫忙\n好這個質詢時間到了所以還有要質詢的嗎謝謝主席主委本席這邊最後還是跟我們部長部長相信部長接下來可能有新的職務那部長本席跟部長都曾經當過地方的首長\n我們是在鄉鎮那部長之前是在市府裡面在面對這麼大的重大的災害的時候地方真的很需要中央的協助那在這邊我想我要請部長在到新的任務之前能夠盡力的來完成盡快的協助我們華聯地區的災情的恢復那這邊也祝福我們部長未來的一切發展能夠順遂好人也是平安謝謝部長\n中央與地方不分\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:09.714 --> 00:10.435\n謝謝主席,有請內政部長\n\n00:20.057 --> 00:47.617\n部長早安部長早部長首先好像對於我們4月3號發生的這個花蓮地震感到非常遺憾那首先也要謝謝部長及所有救災的弟兄在第一時間前往花蓮災區來協助就在本席靠岸記者會之後部會這邊也即刻的反應來協助我們花蓮的這些鄉親那謝謝部長同時我們想要對所有的遺憾者家屬感到哀悼那在這邊有幾件事情跟部長就教\n\n00:51.704 --> 01:21.347\n部長這次花蓮的大地震有些房子被列為紅單跟黃單那這個黃單紅單是有分類的標準不過災民享有的這個救助卻不太一樣那本席來舉例就有民眾還陳情說像這個中華電信有列為給這個紅單的住戶他在網路費、市化費用免三個月的這個吹角我想這也應該啦因為房子都壞掉也不能住了嘛所以要免徵這個費用嘛那但是黃單就沒有這樣的優惠喔\n\n01:22.327 --> 01:50.356\n那中原來了那黃丹的住戶在他現在短時間之內也沒辦法回到家裡面那這個部分是不是能夠也來比照來辦理那我想不只是電信費然後水費、瓦斯費、電費這些民生我們會繳交的費用身為在身為已身為救災總專口的這個內政部長未來這一塊要怎麼來規劃來協助我們的災民是委員跟你報告紅丹黃丹它程度還是有很大的差別是一個紅丹就是很簡單就是要拆掉\n\n01:51.578 --> 02:11.832\n他就是要拆掉然後而且他是現在是不能住的那黃丹的話呢黃丹的話他有可能是旁邊有危險物啊等等他程度不一他有可能這些危險物或者說他達到可居住的狀況他就馬上可以回去居住所以他的程度是有很大的一個差異\n\n02:12.472 --> 02:38.753\n當然這邊有人關心的這個課題因為這個涉及這個中華電信的部分我們再來進一步去了解是請部長這邊也可以跟跨部來協助一下因為我相信在這個時候災民都需要極大的協助那當然有些他是黃灘黃灘是有不同的程度但是我相信受災戶需要協助的心情都是一樣的那一點點小小幫助我相信對於當地民眾他是很大的感受\n\n02:39.153 --> 03:00.852\n那我想這個部分要請部長來多多協助是我們把委員的意見來做反應那另外還是就回到我們的這個受災戶的給付就是像我們受災戶的有房貸的這個問題那如果被認定是紅單黃單銀行可以免去利息2到5年的利息的這個繳交那但是要出具證明那請教部長這個證明是由誰來發布\n\n03:07.901 --> 03:24.381\n報告委員,他這個是這樣,他就是這個受災戶的部分有提出他這個相關的這個居住事實的證明或里長的證明那第二個他是要跟銀行端申請,那所以這個部分在金管會那邊過去都有這樣的一個作業方式署長那個認定的那個證明單是由哪一個單位來出去認明?\n\n03:28.184 --> 03:53.219\n這個部分可能我們還要再了解部長這個部分我想說因為救災是要從寬的進速要確實如果沒有還沒有確定的單位是不是能夠由鄉鎮公所第一線來認定因為他們最直接就會知道嘛讓他更快的來協助災民這部分出去介紹跟我們報告那我們會有個來跟金管會跟他們確認一下謝謝署長謝謝\n\n03:56.321 --> 04:13.652\n那部長這次除了我想我們在講到這個紅單的這個這個公佈我們全台灣除了台北市全數公告公開揭露紅黃單的住所以外那包括這次最嚴重的花蓮縣都沒有在網路上揭露紅單的住所\n\n04:14.412 --> 04:31.783\n那這個部分我相信像現在我們在買房子民主國會連凶宅都要登記在這個不動產說明書裡面的那這個部分是不是國土署這邊是國土署嗎還是在內政部這個資料是不是也可以公開讓大家知道因為未來買房子的時候他還是一個很好的依據吧\n\n04:32.863 --> 04:49.897\n這個是地方政府的權責這所有受災的房子都必須要彙整到地方政府地方政府在彙整這個給我們的相關的單位這個公告網路公告不是在部裡邊這邊嗎沒有那個縣市政府他必須要調查他要給我們我說如果有給因為這個不是因為這個不是我們去調查的\n\n04:52.959 --> 05:20.273\n公佈是部裡面公佈嗎?沒有,這個縣市政府自己就應該要公佈網路上面?他自己就應該要公佈這樣子?對好,這是縣市政府的責任本期想要表達就是說,像這樣的資訊應該更公開、特別讓民眾來知道對,當然,這個我贊成好,那部長,生命無價那在25年前發生的921地震地震教育了我們一件很重要的事就是在房屋結構這件事情\n\n05:22.534 --> 05:41.119\n921之後我們在新的法規要求新的房設業必須在建築耐震力這邊要有一定程度的加強不過我們現在台灣還是有很多的房子是在922之前就建好的那這些房子必須要做出品就是我們說的老屋快篩對不對\n\n05:43.308 --> 06:10.767\n那部長剛剛有提到說這個費用會來補助這個補助是由中央還是由地方來補助?這個請吳署長說明好謝謝各位報告我們大概從108年開始有連續3年做了所謂的建築物快篩這幾月在之前有做過那也把做出來認為有疑慮的都已經有通報給各地方政府那請他們自己平常要針對這些建築物要善加通知去做管理\n\n06:11.187 --> 06:33.030\n那處長那個費用是我們中央補助還是...這是我們過去我們在自己的經費已經有...是營建署...對...因為國土署裡面全部...全部有補助不是是我們自己跟文包是我們自己去在108年開始連3年去做了這個快篩那如果說快篩完以後被通知的\n\n06:33.490 --> 06:50.236\n那他有疑慮的話他可以申請內政補強的相關的出享品那出享品晚若確認要做的話我們還有內政補強的經費那出享品的費用也是由我們所謂的我們是有補助啦也沒有說全部是補助啦那不夠的部分是由地方政府嗎\n\n06:51.883 --> 07:07.018\n出享品因為是涉及到民眾的財產他還有一部分要自己自付民眾他沒有要求或是他不去要求的話你屬於的財產嘛我如果不去做這個我們也不敢我們沒有辦法去強制嘛是這個的確是屬於民眾財產\n\n07:09.921 --> 07:38.730\n是這樣子齁因為本期所了解到的就是我們進入快篩是臺北市是有補助一件是八千元台南市是六千到八千那是出祥品出祥品投文嘛對不對那是快篩快篩是我們自己做的那這樣出祥品齁那本期底下就是出祥品如果以臺北市來看三四五年以上的救防車大概六十幾萬戶它這個出祥品的費用大概五十億啦甚至差不多五十億啦齁那這個可能對直轄市政府來講它才比較充裕它可以負擔得起\n\n07:39.870 --> 08:04.296\n不過像台東縣啊這些關於花東地區財政情況沒有這麼好的縣市他可能光是一億元的經費他都財政都被拖垮那這個地方而且我們花東地區啊就是位置在我們黃太平洋的這個黃太平洋的地震帶上面啊基於每天都會有地震發生喔更急需要去做這樣出品的補助那本席也是建立我們財政較弱的這些縣市喔相關經費中央應該優先來編列來補助地方來辦理署長這一點你懂嗎\n\n08:07.877 --> 08:28.210\n跟我們報告我們在其實每一件都有給這個一萬二到一萬五的這個補助啦所以應該來講一般的出品的話是夠那產品我們最高也可以給到40萬那所以這個都是鼓勵民眾來申請這邊就是請蘇聯面前來獨立的縣市財政不是這麼好的縣市來作為協助謝謝署長謝謝\n\n08:31.960 --> 08:50.896\n那另外在這一次的地震去凸顯出另外一個花東更大的問題就是交通花東地區要來台北大概就是一個要坐飛機那網路上不是開車就是火車那這次地震看到整個公路斷掉火車停駛完全中斷的情況之下\n\n08:53.317 --> 09:14.966\n就是在這裡要呼籲我們交通部應該要趕快提送我們的這個蘇花公路安全提升的計畫報告那蘇花安未來也要比照國道有抗七級地震的能力另外在這個交叉會有落實的地方也該用這個民隧道用隧道應用因為從所有的畫面看到\n\n09:15.746 --> 09:31.324\n民粹倒在這一次的災害發生很大很大的作用能夠讓這些車輛能夠躲避第一時間的這個危險的發生那這邊我想請交通部是不是趕快來背頭相關資料送給環境部讓蘇花安能夠找一日來那個環境能夠通過\n\n09:32.924 --> 09:55.462\n市長來請你回答謝謝主席我們是不是請公路局林副局長就蘇花安以及臺九臺八的未來公路復建的任性提出來說明主席您可以簡單一點蘇花安的環境說明書的修正的部分我們在4月底我們會提到環境部去那\n\n09:56.703 --> 10:10.858\n這個就是環評的部分我們會儘速讓跟委員說明讓整個案子通過那整個台酒的韌性的部分我們包括我們未來整個作業我們包括這次的震災的修復我們會考量\n\n10:12.305 --> 10:28.548\n盡可能以民隧道的方式去然後在不影響環境警官的範圍之下我們會提高他們的韌性以上報告謝謝這邊要求補充盡快因為你看到這次綠斷掉幾乎東部都整個孤島那我們就將我們整個\n\n10:29.289 --> 10:52.841\n不管是人的運輸還有甚至農村產品的運輸都發生很大的問題那接下來要提的就是說那這次雖然這次地震對我們台東的這個農業沒有造成太大的影響因為台東的整個蔬果在運輸上不會造成很大的負擔因為現在整個運輸道路必須走南回走西部到北部那這部分是不是增加運輸成本是不是你要謝謝我們農業部這邊補助這些運費\n\n10:55.322 --> 11:03.770\n未來在短期時間蘇花公路的大型貨車還沒辦法進行運輸的時候請農業部將相關補貼持續到蘇花公路完成修繕這部分要求對立陣來補充農業部的運輸所以您是在問農糧署?對,是在運輸補助這一塊\n\n11:21.722 --> 11:32.477\n主席以及各位有關這個塑化公路中斷的這些運匯的補助我們會實際到整個塑化公路通車之後再實際來進行好謝謝主委好謝謝主委能夠幫忙\n\n11:35.939 --> 11:51.989\n好這個質詢時間到了所以還有要質詢的嗎謝謝主席主委本席這邊最後還是跟我們部長部長相信部長接下來可能有新的職務那部長本席跟部長都曾經當過地方的首長\n\n11:53.370 --> 12:18.399\n我們是在鄉鎮那部長之前是在市府裡面在面對這麼大的重大的災害的時候地方真的很需要中央的協助那在這邊我想我要請部長在到新的任務之前能夠盡力的來完成盡快的協助我們華聯地區的災情的恢復那這邊也祝福我們部長未來的一切發展能夠順遂好人也是平安謝謝部長\n\n12:19.219 --> 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