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00:02:01,461\n好謝謝要不要提這個特別預算看有沒有需要那它會涉及幾個部分第一個是剛剛在提到我們要把整個災後的相關的重建或包括現在安置的部分去做盤點那有一些部分其實是可以在現在已經有的災害應變的這些經費預算包括在地方政府還有包括在中央這個可以緊急運用的第二個就是我們的相關的一個捐款\n\n5\n00:02:03,662 --> 00:02:07,783\n原本公務預算可以移緩救急明後年相關預算編列\n\n6\n00:02:18,928 --> 00:02:39,057\n好謝謝部長那我跟指教編部長報告我個人認為他應該是用第三款重大災變應該就可以提立特別預算所以現在坊間在講說如果現在要修法83條第4款要修法要經過立法院來監督其實不會影響到救災的預算這邊跟部長報告部長你認同嗎\n\n7\n00:02:41,352 --> 00:02:55,410\n救災的工作其實都一直在進行到目前為止相關的預算並沒有問題好謝謝部長所以我要跟部長提到當時那個過去這個921大地震的時候當時的執政黨他當時就直接撥了53億的這個款項\n\n8\n00:02:58,033 --> 00:03:20,487\n因為現在政府對救災補助的經費不是說多跟低有差別可是中央只補助3億的經費所以這點才是我們現在所擔心的那這邊我也看到媒體有指稱就是說部長你未來有考慮要往這個新北市長的腳步來邁進那是不是請問部長這邊請問你有沒有打電話給侯爺瑜市長問他現在新北市的救災經費夠不夠\n\n9\n00:03:22,522 --> 00:03:39,844\n我想剛剛兩部分並不是中央只給花蓮縣3億而是在第一個時間就先撥3億撥3億就是它可以立即運用那剛剛在提到說相關需要的一個經費這個花蓮縣政府可以隨時的提出來我想這部分預算是不會有問題的\n\n10\n00:03:40,950 --> 00:04:07,246\n好謝謝部長因為特別還是要拜託我本身的選區在新北那因為侯友宜市長也在深深呼喚中央這個部分應該比照921的條例來做0403的這個地震後特別預算那本席其實也有送相關的這個提案近期行政院提這個特別預算的部分現在已經經過一途已經準備要送到委員會進來去做一個審查那請問一下這個部長這個部分\n\n11\n00:04:08,487 --> 00:04:34,922\n那如果未來我們這個特別預算送到這個我想請問啦簡單講就是你們現在每週四的行政院的行政院會有沒有討論過要提特別預算的部分我想如果到行政院會的話那個已經進到最後的程序但是並不是在行政院會裡面去討論這個事情會在之前的跨部會不管是由院長副院長或者MU長或者政委來主持相關的協調會議裡面去討論\n\n12\n00:04:36,443 --> 00:04:54,661\n到了行政院院會那個是最後已經要送出去了已經是完整的這個方案好謝謝部長解釋因為本席沒辦法參加這個行政院會只是我一直很擔心這也是我們高級委員大家很多人所擔心的第一個就是預算不足第二個這樣子跨部會的去要求爭取預算其實讓我們覺得有一點點緩不濟急\n\n13\n00:04:57,664 --> 00:05:26,056\n委員會報告這個院在這個災害發生的第一時間其實就由副院長已經召開相關的一個會議其實已經開過很多次好謝謝部長那第二個我們當然第一個我們還是我相信很多委員還是會擔心經費不足的問題那我們當然是只能建請行政院來加強那第二點我們想要問的是說重建的能量是不是不足我想剛剛牛許廷委員也特別提到請問我們這些受災戶在重建的時候相關適用的法令是什麼法令\n\n14\n00:05:28,044 --> 00:05:49,198\n重建的法令它還是依照現有相關的一個規定對這就是我們其實我們很多委員提出來的如果它只是現用現在的危老昏突跟條例其實對現在的受災戶是相當他們來講心裡是不能平復的因為他們是因為災害損失他們不是因為房子老是因為現在不能居住不管是紅單或黃單不能居住\n\n15\n00:05:49,858 --> 00:06:11,413\n現用的是舊的都市更新條例的話其實讓他們來講對他們來講其實是沒辦法去接受的因為他們是因為天災的問題他不是還可以住在這個目前的老房子裡面的問題所以是不是部長這邊應該要像我們很多委員提出來的來研擬一下是不是應該對我們台灣屬於位於地震災這個部分來做一個相關\n\n16\n00:06:12,153 --> 00:06:34,881\n有關於災後這些房子不能居住因為講白了就算貼黃單很多的住戶因為新聞爆這麼大很多住戶也未來不敢去做居住的動作所以針對這個受災戶不能不僅適用現在的都更委老條例更是要有任何一種不管是同意比例或是政府補助的一個方面讓他可以加速重建的路未來房子重建的路部長您的設計\n\n17\n00:06:36,081 --> 00:06:55,779\n我再跟你報告一下其實大家可能有一點誤解貼紅單就很單純也很明確貼紅單就是要拆掉重建這是非常確定那另外就是說它可能就是主要的一個結構樑柱板牆都已經有安全的顧慮或者說基礎有不穩固\n\n18\n00:06:56,520 --> 00:07:17,031\n那所以他必須要劃設這個危險的一個區域那必要的時候要強制拆除這是紅單那黃單不太一樣黃單不是說他建築物就一定這個有危險而是他周邊可能隔間或者天花板等等有非主要結構有掉落然後傷人的疑慮這個就會貼黃單\n\n19\n00:07:18,712 --> 00:07:44,051\n那他只要簡單把它做了改善,其實防止不一定是有這個破損或者危害,他可以回去重築。謝謝,謝謝,這個不太一樣。非常感謝那個部長的補充,其實部長補充得非常的清楚可是這邊部長特別提到紅單跟黃單的差異可是就本席有很多民眾我們在聊天的時候有討論到這個是民眾反映給我的花蓮的這個天王星這個案子\n\n20\n00:07:44,451 --> 00:08:03,628\n他過去在108年的時候他是被列為黃丹然後後來在補強之後成為綠丹那大家看到最近的新聞也非常了解他現在這個建築物的狀況所以從黃丹變成綠丹可是現在情況是他的房屋大家可以看到現在的問題跟狀況急需重建\n\n21\n00:08:04,329 --> 00:08:29,870\n所以本席在這邊才要跟部長請教的部分很多劣於黃丹的部分在補強之後會不會還是有造成像這樣的情況所以部長我才到這邊還要拜託你是不是我們全台灣的房子有被劣於黃丹的部分後續要如何做老屋健檢這也是非常多委員提出來的部分其實人家我舉個簡單的例子這個年紀大的有時候需要去健康檢查\n\n22\n00:08:30,891 --> 00:08:48,284\n雖然說年紀大了,像有些人沒有身體也沒有事情,可是他還是需要做身體健康檢查那我們現在全台灣這麼多的老屋,政府沒有一個完全的一個老屋健檢的一個這個配套的方式,其實是讓未來難道只能發生地震之後,然後我們才去做一些修正或後續的彌補或是貼爛的一個動作嗎?\n\n23\n00:08:50,905 --> 00:09:18,053\n所以我們非常的鼓勵因為現在機制都有政府也有補助所以我們也一直跟地方政府來這個協力希望民眾能夠這個來做一些申請因為全面性跟剛剛在講民眾是因為這畢竟是民眾老百姓自己的財產那我們對產產權的一個尊重那剛剛委員提到那個天王星他是做修繕他並沒有申請做內政部長\n\n24\n00:09:19,404 --> 00:09:44,197\n那就是說比如說像部長你這麼建議因為未來有生第一個啦我們建議啦就是剛剛跟您報告了重建的能量要足就是說有被貼黃單的一定要去跟災民去做一個慰問的心態而且就是說未來也要考慮說這些災後的房子是不是考慮要做重建不能用過去以來大家所知道的這些都跟危老的條例是不是有個更\n\n25\n00:09:45,177 --> 00:10:12,254\n符合他們的條例來去做協助第二個就是要拜託有些我們台灣這麼多老屋的部分是不是應該有一個措施是讓所有老屋有辦法老屋健檢適用於全台灣比如超過30年、40年、50年、60年以上的老屋要來去做一個協助那最後時間還剩一點點我是不是請教這個複稅署的官員因為我們這邊一直有在我們請複稅署\n\n26\n00:10:15,250 --> 00:10:43,633\n我們最近一直有在討論的部分就是說5月份即將要報稅那報稅的部分在獵取扣除裡面其實很多委員有提到這個災害損失的部分現在是說如果是15萬元以下在百分之一個月內提報就不用負擔相關的表冊嗎現在那個負稅署這邊有開放變成三個月可是金融的部分15萬一直還沒有提高到30萬請問大概什麼時候會確定卡量是什麼\n\n27\n00:10:45,391 --> 00:10:49,739\n複稅署報告我們目前正在修這個要點那我們大概會放寬成30萬所以確定會放寬成30萬嗎?\n\n28\n00:10:54,363 --> 00:11:18,772\n好非常感謝所以其實就是我們其實立法院的職權就是需要說在災後的部分災後的時候可以寫災民跟所有的民眾一個便利不管是減稅清明或者是未來可以做一些防止的動作所以今天非常感謝部長跟副署長的幫忙那也希望說部長辛苦了未來還是希望很多地方希望你協助所有的災民謝謝好非常謝謝張志倫執局謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n7901\t14343\t主席好各位委員各位官員大家早安大家好我們是有請部長有請林部長所以委員好部長早早最近看到新聞聽說您在這個520賴清德總總統上台您即將卸任這個內政部長的位置那本席覺得本席對您是非常的這個給予高度的肯定謝謝那也認為說您很適合這個位置\n36428\t61757\t好那當然說你未來有媒體報導你即將會接任這個民進黨的這個秘書長的這個職位那需要說未來就是部長還是可以堅持著這個正職而且是打擊這個假訊息的部分繼續就是讓我們在野黨的部分好好來監督政府那現在大家都在談0403地震後我們很擔心的點就是預算不足的問題\n62757\t90351\t所以也在這邊先跟部長請教一下我們預算法第83條第一項有四款有四款第三款是針對於重大災變的時候可以來編列我們的特別預算那第四款的部分是大家現在專業最多就是不定期或者是一年數字可以提特別預算我想請問部長這邊我們這次0403花蓮大地震的時候如果用特別預算的時候是應該用第三款還是第四款來編列預算\n93203\t121461\t好 謝謝要不要提這個特別預算看有沒有需要那它會涉及幾個部分第一個是剛剛在提到我們要把整個災後的相關的重建或包括現在安置的部分去做盤點那有一些部分其實是可以在現在已經有的災害應變的這些經費預算包括在地方政府還有包括在中央這個可以緊急運用的第二個就是我們的相關的一個捐款\n123662\t127783\t原本公務預算可以移緩救急明後年相關預算編列\n138928\t159057\t好謝謝部長那我跟指教編部長報告我個人認為他應該是用第三款重大災變應該就可以提立特別預算所以現在坊間在講說如果現在要修法83條第4款要修法要經過立法院來監督其實不會影響到救災的預算這邊跟部長報告部長你認同嗎\n161352\t175410\t救災的工作其實都一直在進行到目前為止相關的預算並沒有問題好 謝謝部長所以我要跟部長提到當時那個過去這個921大地震的時候當時的執政黨他當時就直接撥了53億的這個款項\n178033\t200487\t因為現在政府對救災補助的經費不是說多跟低有差別可是中央只補助3億的經費所以這點才是我們現在所擔心的那這邊我也看到媒體有指稱就是說部長你未來有考慮要往這個新北市長的腳步來邁進那是不是請問部長這邊請問你有沒有打電話給侯爺瑜市長問他現在新北市的救災經費夠不夠\n202522\t219844\t我想剛剛兩部分並不是中央只給花蓮縣3億而是在第一個時間就先撥3億撥3億就是它可以立即運用那剛剛在提到說相關需要的一個經費這個花蓮縣政府可以隨時的提出來我想這部分預算是不會有問題的\n220950\t247246\t好 謝謝部長因為特別還是要拜託我本身的選區在新北那因為侯友宜市長也在深深呼喚中央這個部分應該比照921的條例來做0403的這個地震後特別預算那本席其實也有送相關的這個提案近期行政院提這個特別預算的部分現在已經經過一途已經準備要送到委員會進來去做一個審查那請問一下這個部長這個部分\n248487\t274922\t那如果未來我們這個特別預算送到這個我想請問啦簡單講就是你們現在每週四的行政院的行政院會有沒有討論過要提特別預算的部分我想如果到行政院會的話那個已經進到最後的程序但是並不是在行政院會裡面去討論這個事情會在之前的跨部會不管是由院長副院長或者MU長或者政委來主持相關的協調會議裡面去討論\n276443\t294661\t到了行政院院會那個是最後已經要送出去了已經是完整的這個方案好謝謝部長解釋因為本席沒辦法參加這個行政院會只是我一直很擔心這也是我們高級委員大家很多人所擔心的第一個就是預算不足第二個這樣子跨部會的去要求爭取預算其實讓我們覺得有一點點緩不濟急\n297664\t326056\t委員會報告這個院在這個災害發生的第一時間其實就由副院長已經召開相關的一個會議其實已經開過很多次好 謝謝部長那第二個我們當然第一個我們還是我相信很多委員還是會擔心經費不足的問題那我們當然是只能建請行政院來加強那第二點我們想要問的是說重建的能量是不是不足我想剛剛牛許廷委員也特別提到請問我們這些受災戶在重建的時候相關適用的法令是什麼法令\n328044\t349198\t重建的法令它還是依照現有相關的一個規定對這就是我們其實我們很多委員提出來的如果它只是現用現在的危老昏突跟條例其實對現在的受災戶是相當他們來講心裡是不能平復的因為他們是因為災害損失他們不是因為房子老是因為現在不能居住不管是紅單或黃單不能居住\n349858\t371413\t現用的是舊的都市更新條例的話其實讓他們來講對他們來講其實是沒辦法去接受的因為他們是因為天災的問題他不是還可以住在這個目前的老房子裡面的問題所以是不是部長這邊應該要像我們很多委員提出來的來研擬一下是不是應該對我們台灣屬於位於地震災這個部分來做一個相關\n372153\t394881\t有關於災後這些房子不能居住因為講白了就算貼黃單很多的住戶因為新聞爆這麼大很多住戶也未來不敢去做居住的動作所以針對這個受災戶不能不僅適用現在的都更委老條例更是要有任何一種不管是同意比例或是政府補助的一個方面讓他可以加速重建的路未來房子重建的路部長您的設計\n396081\t415779\t我再跟你報告一下其實大家可能有一點誤解貼紅單就很單純也很明確貼紅單就是要拆掉重建這是非常確定那另外就是說它可能就是主要的一個結構樑柱板牆都已經有安全的顧慮或者說基礎有不穩固\n416520\t437031\t那所以他必須要劃設這個危險的一個區域那必要的時候要強制拆除這是紅單那黃單不太一樣黃單不是說他建築物就一定這個有危險而是他周邊可能隔間或者天花板等等有非主要結構有掉落然後傷人的疑慮這個就會貼黃單\n438712\t464051\t那他只要簡單把它做了改善,其實防止不一定是有這個破損或者危害,他可以回去重築。謝謝,謝謝,這個不太一樣。非常感謝那個部長的補充,其實部長補充得非常的清楚可是這邊部長特別提到紅單跟黃單的差異可是就本席有很多民眾我們在聊天的時候有討論到這個是民眾反映給我的花蓮的這個天王星這個案子\n464451\t483628\t他過去在108年的時候他是被列為黃丹然後後來在補強之後成為綠丹那大家看到最近的新聞也非常了解他現在這個建築物的狀況所以從黃丹變成綠丹可是現在情況是他的房屋大家可以看到現在的問題跟狀況急需重建\n484329\t509870\t所以本席在這邊才要跟部長請教的部分很多劣於黃丹的部分在補強之後會不會還是有造成像這樣的情況所以部長我才到這邊還要拜託你是不是我們全台灣的房子有被劣於黃丹的部分後續要如何做老屋健檢這也是非常多委員提出來的部分其實人家我舉個簡單的例子這個年紀大的有時候需要去健康檢查\n510891\t528284\t雖然說年紀大了,像有些人沒有身體也沒有事情,可是他還是需要做身體健康檢查那我們現在全台灣這麼多的老屋,政府沒有一個完全的一個老屋健檢的一個這個配套的方式,其實是讓未來難道只能發生地震之後,然後我們才去做一些修正或後續的彌補或是貼爛的一個動作嗎?\n530905\t558053\t所以我們非常的鼓勵因為現在機制都有政府也有補助所以我們也一直跟地方政府來這個協力希望民眾能夠這個來做一些申請因為全面性跟剛剛在講民眾是因為這畢竟是民眾老百姓自己的財產那我們對產產權的一個尊重那剛剛委員提到那個天王星他是做修繕他並沒有申請做內政部長\n559404\t584197\t那就是說比如說像部長你這麼建議因為未來有生第一個啦我們建議啦就是剛剛跟您報告了重建的能量要足就是說有被貼黃單的一定要去跟災民去做一個慰問的心態而且就是說未來也要考慮說這些災後的房子是不是考慮要做重建不能用過去以來大家所知道的這些都跟危老的條例是不是有個更\n585177\t612254\t符合他們的條例來去做協助第二個就是要拜託有些我們台灣這麼多老屋的部分是不是應該有一個措施是讓所有老屋有辦法老屋健檢適用於全台灣比如超過30年、40年、50年、60年以上的老屋要來去做一個協助那最後時間還剩一點點我是不是請教這個複稅署的官員因為我們這邊一直有在我們請複稅署\n615250\t643633\t我們最近一直有在討論的部分就是說5月份即將要報稅那報稅的部分在獵取扣除裡面其實很多委員有提到這個災害損失的部分現在是說如果是15萬元以下在百分之一個月內提報就不用負擔相關的表冊嗎現在那個負稅署這邊有開放變成三個月可是金融的部分15萬一直還沒有提高到30萬請問大概什麼時候會確定卡量是什麼\n645391\t649739\t複稅署報告我們目前正在修這個要點那我們大概會放寬成30萬所以確定會放寬成30萬嗎?\n654363\t678772\t好非常感謝所以其實就是我們其實立法院的職權就是需要說在災後的部分災後的時候可以寫災民跟所有的民眾一個便利不管是減稅清明或者是未來可以做一些防止的動作所以今天非常感謝部長跟副署長的幫忙那也希望說部長辛苦了未來還是希望很多地方希望你協助所有的災民謝謝好非常謝謝張志倫執局謝謝\n","txt":"主席好各位委員各位官員大家早安大家好我們是有請部長有請林部長所以委員好部長早早最近看到新聞聽說您在這個520賴清德總總統上台您即將卸任這個內政部長的位置那本席覺得本席對您是非常的這個給予高度的肯定謝謝那也認為說您很適合這個位置\n好那當然說你未來有媒體報導你即將會接任這個民進黨的這個秘書長的這個職位那需要說未來就是部長還是可以堅持著這個正職而且是打擊這個假訊息的部分繼續就是讓我們在野黨的部分好好來監督政府那現在大家都在談0403地震後我們很擔心的點就是預算不足的問題\n所以也在這邊先跟部長請教一下我們預算法第83條第一項有四款有四款第三款是針對於重大災變的時候可以來編列我們的特別預算那第四款的部分是大家現在專業最多就是不定期或者是一年數字可以提特別預算我想請問部長這邊我們這次0403花蓮大地震的時候如果用特別預算的時候是應該用第三款還是第四款來編列預算\n好 謝謝要不要提這個特別預算看有沒有需要那它會涉及幾個部分第一個是剛剛在提到我們要把整個災後的相關的重建或包括現在安置的部分去做盤點那有一些部分其實是可以在現在已經有的災害應變的這些經費預算包括在地方政府還有包括在中央這個可以緊急運用的第二個就是我們的相關的一個捐款\n原本公務預算可以移緩救急明後年相關預算編列\n好謝謝部長那我跟指教編部長報告我個人認為他應該是用第三款重大災變應該就可以提立特別預算所以現在坊間在講說如果現在要修法83條第4款要修法要經過立法院來監督其實不會影響到救災的預算這邊跟部長報告部長你認同嗎\n救災的工作其實都一直在進行到目前為止相關的預算並沒有問題好 謝謝部長所以我要跟部長提到當時那個過去這個921大地震的時候當時的執政黨他當時就直接撥了53億的這個款項\n因為現在政府對救災補助的經費不是說多跟低有差別可是中央只補助3億的經費所以這點才是我們現在所擔心的那這邊我也看到媒體有指稱就是說部長你未來有考慮要往這個新北市長的腳步來邁進那是不是請問部長這邊請問你有沒有打電話給侯爺瑜市長問他現在新北市的救災經費夠不夠\n我想剛剛兩部分並不是中央只給花蓮縣3億而是在第一個時間就先撥3億撥3億就是它可以立即運用那剛剛在提到說相關需要的一個經費這個花蓮縣政府可以隨時的提出來我想這部分預算是不會有問題的\n好 謝謝部長因為特別還是要拜託我本身的選區在新北那因為侯友宜市長也在深深呼喚中央這個部分應該比照921的條例來做0403的這個地震後特別預算那本席其實也有送相關的這個提案近期行政院提這個特別預算的部分現在已經經過一途已經準備要送到委員會進來去做一個審查那請問一下這個部長這個部分\n那如果未來我們這個特別預算送到這個我想請問啦簡單講就是你們現在每週四的行政院的行政院會有沒有討論過要提特別預算的部分我想如果到行政院會的話那個已經進到最後的程序但是並不是在行政院會裡面去討論這個事情會在之前的跨部會不管是由院長副院長或者MU長或者政委來主持相關的協調會議裡面去討論\n到了行政院院會那個是最後已經要送出去了已經是完整的這個方案好謝謝部長解釋因為本席沒辦法參加這個行政院會只是我一直很擔心這也是我們高級委員大家很多人所擔心的第一個就是預算不足第二個這樣子跨部會的去要求爭取預算其實讓我們覺得有一點點緩不濟急\n委員會報告這個院在這個災害發生的第一時間其實就由副院長已經召開相關的一個會議其實已經開過很多次好 謝謝部長那第二個我們當然第一個我們還是我相信很多委員還是會擔心經費不足的問題那我們當然是只能建請行政院來加強那第二點我們想要問的是說重建的能量是不是不足我想剛剛牛許廷委員也特別提到請問我們這些受災戶在重建的時候相關適用的法令是什麼法令\n重建的法令它還是依照現有相關的一個規定對這就是我們其實我們很多委員提出來的如果它只是現用現在的危老昏突跟條例其實對現在的受災戶是相當他們來講心裡是不能平復的因為他們是因為災害損失他們不是因為房子老是因為現在不能居住不管是紅單或黃單不能居住\n現用的是舊的都市更新條例的話其實讓他們來講對他們來講其實是沒辦法去接受的因為他們是因為天災的問題他不是還可以住在這個目前的老房子裡面的問題所以是不是部長這邊應該要像我們很多委員提出來的來研擬一下是不是應該對我們台灣屬於位於地震災這個部分來做一個相關\n有關於災後這些房子不能居住因為講白了就算貼黃單很多的住戶因為新聞爆這麼大很多住戶也未來不敢去做居住的動作所以針對這個受災戶不能不僅適用現在的都更委老條例更是要有任何一種不管是同意比例或是政府補助的一個方面讓他可以加速重建的路未來房子重建的路部長您的設計\n我再跟你報告一下其實大家可能有一點誤解貼紅單就很單純也很明確貼紅單就是要拆掉重建這是非常確定那另外就是說它可能就是主要的一個結構樑柱板牆都已經有安全的顧慮或者說基礎有不穩固\n那所以他必須要劃設這個危險的一個區域那必要的時候要強制拆除這是紅單那黃單不太一樣黃單不是說他建築物就一定這個有危險而是他周邊可能隔間或者天花板等等有非主要結構有掉落然後傷人的疑慮這個就會貼黃單\n那他只要簡單把它做了改善,其實防止不一定是有這個破損或者危害,他可以回去重築。謝謝,謝謝,這個不太一樣。非常感謝那個部長的補充,其實部長補充得非常的清楚可是這邊部長特別提到紅單跟黃單的差異可是就本席有很多民眾我們在聊天的時候有討論到這個是民眾反映給我的花蓮的這個天王星這個案子\n他過去在108年的時候他是被列為黃丹然後後來在補強之後成為綠丹那大家看到最近的新聞也非常了解他現在這個建築物的狀況所以從黃丹變成綠丹可是現在情況是他的房屋大家可以看到現在的問題跟狀況急需重建\n所以本席在這邊才要跟部長請教的部分很多劣於黃丹的部分在補強之後會不會還是有造成像這樣的情況所以部長我才到這邊還要拜託你是不是我們全台灣的房子有被劣於黃丹的部分後續要如何做老屋健檢這也是非常多委員提出來的部分其實人家我舉個簡單的例子這個年紀大的有時候需要去健康檢查\n雖然說年紀大了,像有些人沒有身體也沒有事情,可是他還是需要做身體健康檢查那我們現在全台灣這麼多的老屋,政府沒有一個完全的一個老屋健檢的一個這個配套的方式,其實是讓未來難道只能發生地震之後,然後我們才去做一些修正或後續的彌補或是貼爛的一個動作嗎?\n所以我們非常的鼓勵因為現在機制都有政府也有補助所以我們也一直跟地方政府來這個協力希望民眾能夠這個來做一些申請因為全面性跟剛剛在講民眾是因為這畢竟是民眾老百姓自己的財產那我們對產產權的一個尊重那剛剛委員提到那個天王星他是做修繕他並沒有申請做內政部長\n那就是說比如說像部長你這麼建議因為未來有生第一個啦我們建議啦就是剛剛跟您報告了重建的能量要足就是說有被貼黃單的一定要去跟災民去做一個慰問的心態而且就是說未來也要考慮說這些災後的房子是不是考慮要做重建不能用過去以來大家所知道的這些都跟危老的條例是不是有個更\n符合他們的條例來去做協助第二個就是要拜託有些我們台灣這麼多老屋的部分是不是應該有一個措施是讓所有老屋有辦法老屋健檢適用於全台灣比如超過30年、40年、50年、60年以上的老屋要來去做一個協助那最後時間還剩一點點我是不是請教這個複稅署的官員因為我們這邊一直有在我們請複稅署\n我們最近一直有在討論的部分就是說5月份即將要報稅那報稅的部分在獵取扣除裡面其實很多委員有提到這個災害損失的部分現在是說如果是15萬元以下在百分之一個月內提報就不用負擔相關的表冊嗎現在那個負稅署這邊有開放變成三個月可是金融的部分15萬一直還沒有提高到30萬請問大概什麼時候會確定卡量是什麼\n複稅署報告我們目前正在修這個要點那我們大概會放寬成30萬所以確定會放寬成30萬嗎?\n好非常感謝所以其實就是我們其實立法院的職權就是需要說在災後的部分災後的時候可以寫災民跟所有的民眾一個便利不管是減稅清明或者是未來可以做一些防止的動作所以今天非常感謝部長跟副署長的幫忙那也希望說部長辛苦了未來還是希望很多地方希望你協助所有的災民謝謝好非常謝謝張志倫執局謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:07.901 --> 00:14.343\n主席好各位委員各位官員大家早安大家好我們是有請部長有請林部長所以委員好部長早早最近看到新聞聽說您在這個520賴清德總總統上台您即將卸任這個內政部長的位置那本席覺得本席對您是非常的這個給予高度的肯定謝謝那也認為說您很適合這個位置\n\n00:36.428 --> 01:01.757\n好那當然說你未來有媒體報導你即將會接任這個民進黨的這個秘書長的這個職位那需要說未來就是部長還是可以堅持著這個正職而且是打擊這個假訊息的部分繼續就是讓我們在野黨的部分好好來監督政府那現在大家都在談0403地震後我們很擔心的點就是預算不足的問題\n\n01:02.757 --> 01:30.351\n所以也在這邊先跟部長請教一下我們預算法第83條第一項有四款有四款第三款是針對於重大災變的時候可以來編列我們的特別預算那第四款的部分是大家現在專業最多就是不定期或者是一年數字可以提特別預算我想請問部長這邊我們這次0403花蓮大地震的時候如果用特別預算的時候是應該用第三款還是第四款來編列預算\n\n01:33.203 --> 02:01.461\n好謝謝要不要提這個特別預算看有沒有需要那它會涉及幾個部分第一個是剛剛在提到我們要把整個災後的相關的重建或包括現在安置的部分去做盤點那有一些部分其實是可以在現在已經有的災害應變的這些經費預算包括在地方政府還有包括在中央這個可以緊急運用的第二個就是我們的相關的一個捐款\n\n02:03.662 --> 02:07.783\n原本公務預算可以移緩救急明後年相關預算編列\n\n02:18.928 --> 02:39.057\n好謝謝部長那我跟指教編部長報告我個人認為他應該是用第三款重大災變應該就可以提立特別預算所以現在坊間在講說如果現在要修法83條第4款要修法要經過立法院來監督其實不會影響到救災的預算這邊跟部長報告部長你認同嗎\n\n02:41.352 --> 02:55.410\n救災的工作其實都一直在進行到目前為止相關的預算並沒有問題好謝謝部長所以我要跟部長提到當時那個過去這個921大地震的時候當時的執政黨他當時就直接撥了53億的這個款項\n\n02:58.033 --> 03:20.487\n因為現在政府對救災補助的經費不是說多跟低有差別可是中央只補助3億的經費所以這點才是我們現在所擔心的那這邊我也看到媒體有指稱就是說部長你未來有考慮要往這個新北市長的腳步來邁進那是不是請問部長這邊請問你有沒有打電話給侯爺瑜市長問他現在新北市的救災經費夠不夠\n\n03:22.522 --> 03:39.844\n我想剛剛兩部分並不是中央只給花蓮縣3億而是在第一個時間就先撥3億撥3億就是它可以立即運用那剛剛在提到說相關需要的一個經費這個花蓮縣政府可以隨時的提出來我想這部分預算是不會有問題的\n\n03:40.950 --> 04:07.246\n好謝謝部長因為特別還是要拜託我本身的選區在新北那因為侯友宜市長也在深深呼喚中央這個部分應該比照921的條例來做0403的這個地震後特別預算那本席其實也有送相關的這個提案近期行政院提這個特別預算的部分現在已經經過一途已經準備要送到委員會進來去做一個審查那請問一下這個部長這個部分\n\n04:08.487 --> 04:34.922\n那如果未來我們這個特別預算送到這個我想請問啦簡單講就是你們現在每週四的行政院的行政院會有沒有討論過要提特別預算的部分我想如果到行政院會的話那個已經進到最後的程序但是並不是在行政院會裡面去討論這個事情會在之前的跨部會不管是由院長副院長或者MU長或者政委來主持相關的協調會議裡面去討論\n\n04:36.443 --> 04:54.661\n到了行政院院會那個是最後已經要送出去了已經是完整的這個方案好謝謝部長解釋因為本席沒辦法參加這個行政院會只是我一直很擔心這也是我們高級委員大家很多人所擔心的第一個就是預算不足第二個這樣子跨部會的去要求爭取預算其實讓我們覺得有一點點緩不濟急\n\n04:57.664 --> 05:26.056\n委員會報告這個院在這個災害發生的第一時間其實就由副院長已經召開相關的一個會議其實已經開過很多次好謝謝部長那第二個我們當然第一個我們還是我相信很多委員還是會擔心經費不足的問題那我們當然是只能建請行政院來加強那第二點我們想要問的是說重建的能量是不是不足我想剛剛牛許廷委員也特別提到請問我們這些受災戶在重建的時候相關適用的法令是什麼法令\n\n05:28.044 --> 05:49.198\n重建的法令它還是依照現有相關的一個規定對這就是我們其實我們很多委員提出來的如果它只是現用現在的危老昏突跟條例其實對現在的受災戶是相當他們來講心裡是不能平復的因為他們是因為災害損失他們不是因為房子老是因為現在不能居住不管是紅單或黃單不能居住\n\n05:49.858 --> 06:11.413\n現用的是舊的都市更新條例的話其實讓他們來講對他們來講其實是沒辦法去接受的因為他們是因為天災的問題他不是還可以住在這個目前的老房子裡面的問題所以是不是部長這邊應該要像我們很多委員提出來的來研擬一下是不是應該對我們台灣屬於位於地震災這個部分來做一個相關\n\n06:12.153 --> 06:34.881\n有關於災後這些房子不能居住因為講白了就算貼黃單很多的住戶因為新聞爆這麼大很多住戶也未來不敢去做居住的動作所以針對這個受災戶不能不僅適用現在的都更委老條例更是要有任何一種不管是同意比例或是政府補助的一個方面讓他可以加速重建的路未來房子重建的路部長您的設計\n\n06:36.081 --> 06:55.779\n我再跟你報告一下其實大家可能有一點誤解貼紅單就很單純也很明確貼紅單就是要拆掉重建這是非常確定那另外就是說它可能就是主要的一個結構樑柱板牆都已經有安全的顧慮或者說基礎有不穩固\n\n06:56.520 --> 07:17.031\n那所以他必須要劃設這個危險的一個區域那必要的時候要強制拆除這是紅單那黃單不太一樣黃單不是說他建築物就一定這個有危險而是他周邊可能隔間或者天花板等等有非主要結構有掉落然後傷人的疑慮這個就會貼黃單\n\n07:18.712 --> 07:44.051\n那他只要簡單把它做了改善,其實防止不一定是有這個破損或者危害,他可以回去重築。謝謝,謝謝,這個不太一樣。非常感謝那個部長的補充,其實部長補充得非常的清楚可是這邊部長特別提到紅單跟黃單的差異可是就本席有很多民眾我們在聊天的時候有討論到這個是民眾反映給我的花蓮的這個天王星這個案子\n\n07:44.451 --> 08:03.628\n他過去在108年的時候他是被列為黃丹然後後來在補強之後成為綠丹那大家看到最近的新聞也非常了解他現在這個建築物的狀況所以從黃丹變成綠丹可是現在情況是他的房屋大家可以看到現在的問題跟狀況急需重建\n\n08:04.329 --> 08:29.870\n所以本席在這邊才要跟部長請教的部分很多劣於黃丹的部分在補強之後會不會還是有造成像這樣的情況所以部長我才到這邊還要拜託你是不是我們全台灣的房子有被劣於黃丹的部分後續要如何做老屋健檢這也是非常多委員提出來的部分其實人家我舉個簡單的例子這個年紀大的有時候需要去健康檢查\n\n08:30.891 --> 08:48.284\n雖然說年紀大了,像有些人沒有身體也沒有事情,可是他還是需要做身體健康檢查那我們現在全台灣這麼多的老屋,政府沒有一個完全的一個老屋健檢的一個這個配套的方式,其實是讓未來難道只能發生地震之後,然後我們才去做一些修正或後續的彌補或是貼爛的一個動作嗎?\n\n08:50.905 --> 09:18.053\n所以我們非常的鼓勵因為現在機制都有政府也有補助所以我們也一直跟地方政府來這個協力希望民眾能夠這個來做一些申請因為全面性跟剛剛在講民眾是因為這畢竟是民眾老百姓自己的財產那我們對產產權的一個尊重那剛剛委員提到那個天王星他是做修繕他並沒有申請做內政部長\n\n09:19.404 --> 09:44.197\n那就是說比如說像部長你這麼建議因為未來有生第一個啦我們建議啦就是剛剛跟您報告了重建的能量要足就是說有被貼黃單的一定要去跟災民去做一個慰問的心態而且就是說未來也要考慮說這些災後的房子是不是考慮要做重建不能用過去以來大家所知道的這些都跟危老的條例是不是有個更\n\n09:45.177 --> 10:12.254\n符合他們的條例來去做協助第二個就是要拜託有些我們台灣這麼多老屋的部分是不是應該有一個措施是讓所有老屋有辦法老屋健檢適用於全台灣比如超過30年、40年、50年、60年以上的老屋要來去做一個協助那最後時間還剩一點點我是不是請教這個複稅署的官員因為我們這邊一直有在我們請複稅署\n\n10:15.250 --> 10:43.633\n我們最近一直有在討論的部分就是說5月份即將要報稅那報稅的部分在獵取扣除裡面其實很多委員有提到這個災害損失的部分現在是說如果是15萬元以下在百分之一個月內提報就不用負擔相關的表冊嗎現在那個負稅署這邊有開放變成三個月可是金融的部分15萬一直還沒有提高到30萬請問大概什麼時候會確定卡量是什麼\n\n10:45.391 --> 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