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00:02:11,102\n譬如說交通部公路局他就會用到這個省道災害准備費對不對那今天來我們內政委員會列席的相關單位他們有沒有編列災害準備費或工程災害準備費\n\n6\n00:02:12,677 --> 00:02:30,652\n就您了解今天的勞動部、環境部、內政部、原民會還有交通部、工程會當然剛剛交通部您有講了他有用到公路養護費裡面的災害準備費那其他今天列席的單位他們有沒有編列災害準備費\n\n7\n00:02:31,613 --> 00:02:59,356\n是我跟委員報告因為就是說我們中央就是說各個部會他本來就有一些跟災害有關他的名稱不一定叫做災害準備費所以他有等於是他們是編列他們動用的這次重大天災的經費來源他們是有相關的名目各部不同嗎非常多對那有沒有用到行政院的第二準備金\n\n8\n00:03:01,097 --> 00:03:18,865\n現在在盤點當中如果有不足的有可能會動用到所以本席再請教一次4月3號花蓮大地震今天4月15號那今年度有沒有再度的中央政府有沒有再度的提出特別預算\n\n9\n00:03:20,127 --> 00:03:38,170\n目前沒有但是我們目前的經費的籌措就是包括行政院災害準備金以及第二預備金等等都是可用的財源目前可用的財源是優先用第二預備金或是中央的災害準備金\n\n10\n00:03:41,788 --> 00:04:04,645\n這個部會原來就有以及各部會他自己各基金現有的計畫可以去運用的那我們行政院如果不足的那行政院的災害準備金、第二預備金等等都會用這些優先用而且這些本來就是在我們的總預算裡面應該要編足的項目\n\n11\n00:04:05,706 --> 00:04:20,683\n在行政院公共工程委員會中央各部會碰到花蓮大地震\n\n12\n00:04:22,150 --> 00:04:42,432\n可以用的費用裡面有各式各樣的災害準備金還有行政院的第二預備金這個很明顯那再來就是我們行政院公共工程委員會在4月3號一發生大地震之後就有發出一個函那這個函上面有特別寫到\n\n13\n00:04:44,005 --> 00:04:59,414\n依據這個天災要搶救相關作業請各機關要依據中央對各級地方政府重大天然災害救災經費處理辦法這個處理辦法裡面也特別有提到\n\n14\n00:05:01,755 --> 00:05:22,032\n各地方政府要優先用災害準備金來支應或者就年度的預算來採移緩計及的方式這點副主席長認同吧這是明文規定的對不對那如果地方不足要中央來\n\n15\n00:05:25,154 --> 00:05:27,837\n中央特別統籌分配稅款,再不足就用災害準備金。」\n\n16\n00:05:54,411 --> 00:06:17,036\n第17條行政院核定撥補的災害救助包含緊急搶救還有重建復建的經費要以中央特別統籌分配稅款為裁員如有不敷以中央政府編列之災害準備金或者才另籌裁員之印這個是規定所說的\n\n17\n00:06:18,096 --> 00:06:36,315\n所以我想本席在這裡也要向社會大眾因為最近從花蓮大地震之後有非常多的網路或是媒體都欺騙大眾\n\n18\n00:06:39,177 --> 00:07:05,993\n說這個花蓮大地震的救命錢要用特別預算如果修正預算法第83條、84條那就會沒有救命錢所以剛剛我們的這個對答質詢我們可以肯定就是說我們中央政府、地方政府都有災害準備金而且有中央統籌分配稅款可以優先來支應所以我們最後本席也想請教副主計長\n\n19\n00:07:07,540 --> 00:07:23,668\n我們這個特別預算的部分我們為了這個不讓執政的政府執政的政府不應該把特別預算變成特別浪費或特別亂用或特別腐爛你認不認同\n\n20\n00:07:25,748 --> 00:07:50,277\n我想我們所有的特別預算一定都是以最近這幾年一定先有一個條例然後經過大院的審核非常好對所以未審先用是不好的因為這是規避這個監督好那本席的時間有限謝謝副主計長謝謝副主計長所以我們對於\n\n21\n00:07:52,298 --> 00:08:14,955\n這個預算法的第83條、84條的修正我們就是要避免債留子孫好那主席本席接著想請內政部長請內政部部長這個副主計長剛剛您忘了兩次已經忘了跟我回禮了好非常謝謝你懂禮貌謝謝請你部長謝謝所以委員好\n\n22\n00:08:22,746 --> 00:08:45,114\n部長好從4月3號到今天整個救援的工作還持續所以本席在此也要特別向我們消防署還有投入的空勤總隊以及協助這個勘驗的全國土木技師公會的協助來表達12萬分的敬意那大家都辛苦了\n\n23\n00:08:45,994 --> 00:09:14,037\n但是後續還有漫長的震災跟重建工作本席想特別請教我們中央災害應變中心是在內政部所以整個的總指揮官應該是部長您吧是那請問我們中央就是說現在對花蓮縣政府的災損、震災還有重建的需求請問中央相關部會有沒有不同的意見\n\n24\n00:09:16,996 --> 00:09:17,356\n目前撥款的情形\n\n25\n00:09:34,028 --> 00:09:58,210\n目前部管委員會是在各個不同的部會所以我們中央指揮中心不會了解也不會知道我跟委員報告我這邊是負責搶救災那災後的這個重建的部分是在工程會統籌那未來我們那天院長去總統去也有提到我們未來會在花蓮這個地方設一個重建的辦公室\n\n26\n00:09:59,100 --> 00:10:20,282\n所以未來重建辦公室是內政部去那邊設不是是工程會不好意思請問今天工程會有來嗎有的工程會處長有來所以本席想接著請教處長我們現在重建工作規劃進度預算來源大概是怎麼樣\n\n27\n00:10:24,361 --> 00:10:41,129\n我們有分中央的跟對地方的那現在重建的部分對地方的公共設施就是剛剛委員隨行主計長的部分就是災害復建的相關的中央對地方的經費的支用的辦法你重建預計要多久\n\n28\n00:10:49,073 --> 00:11:08,501\n我今天的報告裡面沒有提到但是上週四的行政院院會資料有提到整個拆除重建要5年的時間所以你的預算應該也是5年去攤吧依據這個規劃進度來攤平嘛就是去按照進度那不好意思再給我一點點時間\n\n29\n00:11:11,862 --> 00:11:29,962\n內政部長這裡我看到我們今天的報告提到自購住宅貸款利息補貼還有修繕住宅貸款利息補貼要等到今年8月才開辦可以更早嗎4月發生這個災害但是要到8月能不能提早申請\n\n30\n00:11:31,996 --> 00:11:56,122\n對這個是可以申請的現在就可以申請所以從剛剛我們這個內政部的災害補貼還有我們工程會我們也看到現在很多人講這個地震一發生重建需要一百億需要幾百億這個根本是欺騙大眾誤導民眾而且是混淆視聽\n\n31\n00:11:57,162 --> 00:12:16,702\n因為整個的重建它有規劃期程而且它有它的工作進度會需要分年來編列部長您認同嗎委員跟你報告現在因為所有的現在還在安置的這個階段後續還有包括重建所以還沒開始重建還有振興後面還有振興的這些工作\n\n32\n00:12:17,122 --> 00:12:28,107\n所以現在這個需求也跟花蓮縣政府正在所以目前連需求都還不知道所以有人說災害一發生馬上要100億這個部長您覺得這個應該是亂說的吧\n\n33\n00:12:33,589 --> 00:12:58,157\n已經兩個禮拜了你也沒有要一百億啊這個可能包括剛剛在講因為受災最嚴重的其實是交通那交通的一個復原的確需要蠻龐大的一個經費對但不是立即的嘛當然不是馬上因為你這個是分年逐年的這個來編列嘛是不過我補充一點比如說像我們的國家公園可能就需要超過十億以上不過現在需求對你們應該有相關經費編列啊\n\n34\n00:13:01,568 --> 00:13:23,198\n你們應該要編列災後準備金可能不是災後準備金立即今年可能需要用的我們會跟行政院來提出這個申請那如果需要比如說需要一點時間的話我們會跟行政院來爭取後續重建的進度對嘛需要一點時間好謝謝非常謝謝徐新英委員的質詢謝謝部長謝謝署長謝謝工程會的處長謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5789\t12231\t謝謝主席本席請主計總處陳副主計長請副主計長委員好副主計長好本席首先想請教您我們4月3號花蓮的這個大地震到今天請問中央目前有動用到特別預算嗎\n38273\t62924\t目前就是各部會各部會他是就他所需要救災需要的款項我請教的是你現在有沒有動用到特別預算目前沒有嘛因為就是有的項目例如就是說如果有屬於情增預算那就有可能但是實際上你是指\n64426\t65247\t中央有下去協助震災嗎?\n88120\t110708\t我們現在就要請教副主計長我們現在中央各部會是用什麼經費目前中央各部會因為比如說這個交通部、經濟部、農業部等等他們本來就有跟這個比如說道路啊然後用哪個項目他用他的哪個項目的經費\n111508\t131102\t譬如說交通部公路局他就會用到這個省道災害准備費對不對那今天來我們內政委員會列席的相關單位他們有沒有編列災害準備費或工程災害準備費\n132677\t150652\t就您了解今天的勞動部、環境部、內政部、原民會還有交通部、工程會當然剛剛交通部您有講了他有用到公路養護費裡面的災害準備費那其他今天列席的單位他們有沒有編列災害準備費\n151613\t179356\t是我跟委員報告因為就是說我們中央就是說各個部會他本來就有一些跟災害有關他的名稱不一定叫做災害準備費所以他有等於是他們是編列他們動用的這次重大天災的經費來源他們是有相關的名目各部不同嗎非常多對那有沒有用到行政院的第二準備金\n181097\t198865\t現在在盤點當中如果有不足的有可能會動用到所以本席再請教一次4月3號花蓮大地震今天4月15號那今年度有沒有再度的中央政府有沒有再度的提出特別預算\n200127\t218170\t目前沒有但是我們目前的經費的籌措就是包括行政院災害準備金以及第二預備金等等都是可用的財源目前可用的財源是優先用第二預備金或是中央的災害準備金\n221788\t244645\t這個部會原來就有以及各部會他自己各基金現有的計畫可以去運用的那我們行政院如果不足的那行政院的災害準備金、第二預備金等等都會用這些優先用而且這些本來就是在我們的總預算裡面應該要編足的項目\n245706\t260683\t在行政院公共工程委員會中央各部會碰到花蓮大地震\n262150\t282432\t可以用的費用裡面有各式各樣的災害準備金還有行政院的第二預備金這個很明顯那再來就是我們行政院公共工程委員會在4月3號一發生大地震之後就有發出一個函那這個函上面有特別寫到\n284005\t299414\t依據這個天災要搶救相關作業請各機關要依據中央對各級地方政府重大天然災害救災經費處理辦法這個處理辦法裡面也特別有提到\n301755\t322032\t各地方政府要優先用災害準備金來支應或者就年度的預算來採移緩計及的方式這點副主席長認同吧這是明文規定的對不對那如果地方不足要中央來\n325154\t327837\t中央特別統籌分配稅款,再不足就用災害準備金。」\n354411\t377036\t第17條行政院核定撥補的災害救助包含緊急搶救還有重建復建的經費要以中央特別統籌分配稅款為裁員如有不敷以中央政府編列之災害準備金或者才另籌裁員之印這個是規定所說的\n378096\t396315\t所以我想本席在這裡也要向社會大眾因為最近從花蓮大地震之後有非常多的網路或是媒體都欺騙大眾\n399177\t425993\t說這個花蓮大地震的救命錢要用特別預算如果修正預算法第83條、84條那就會沒有救命錢所以剛剛我們的這個對答質詢我們可以肯定就是說我們中央政府、地方政府都有災害準備金而且有中央統籌分配稅款可以優先來支應所以我們最後本席也想請教副主計長\n427540\t443668\t我們這個特別預算的部分我們為了這個不讓執政的政府執政的政府不應該把特別預算變成特別浪費或特別亂用或特別腐爛你認不認同\n445748\t470277\t我想我們所有的特別預算一定都是以最近這幾年一定先有一個條例然後經過大院的審核非常好對所以未審先用是不好的因為這是規避這個監督好那本席的時間有限謝謝副主計長謝謝副主計長所以我們對於\n472298\t494955\t這個預算法的第83條、84條的修正我們就是要避免債留子孫好 那主席本席接著想請內政部長請內政部部長這個副主計長剛剛您忘了兩次已經忘了跟我回禮了好 非常謝謝你懂禮貌 謝謝請你部長 謝謝所以委員好\n502746\t525114\t部長好從4月3號到今天整個救援的工作還持續所以本席在此也要特別向我們消防署還有投入的空勤總隊以及協助這個勘驗的全國土木技師公會的協助來表達12萬分的敬意那大家都辛苦了\n525994\t554037\t但是後續還有漫長的震災跟重建工作本席想特別請教我們中央災害應變中心是在內政部所以整個的總指揮官應該是部長您吧是那請問我們中央就是說現在對花蓮縣政府的災損、震災還有重建的需求請問中央相關部會有沒有不同的意見\n556996\t557356\t目前撥款的情形\n574028\t598210\t目前部管委員會是在各個不同的部會所以我們中央指揮中心不會了解也不會知道我跟委員報告我這邊是負責搶救災那災後的這個重建的部分是在工程會統籌那未來我們那天院長去 總統去也有提到我們未來會在花蓮這個地方設一個重建的辦公室\n599100\t620282\t所以未來重建辦公室是內政部去那邊設不是是工程會不好意思請問今天工程會有來嗎有的工程會處長有來所以本席想接著請教處長我們現在重建工作規劃進度預算來源大概是怎麼樣\n624361\t641129\t我們有分中央的跟對地方的那現在重建的部分對地方的公共設施就是剛剛委員隨行主計長的部分就是災害復建的相關的中央對地方的經費的支用的辦法你重建預計要多久\n649073\t668501\t我今天的報告裡面沒有提到但是上週四的行政院院會資料有提到整個拆除重建要5年的時間所以你的預算應該也是5年去攤吧依據這個規劃進度來攤平嘛就是去按照進度那不好意思再給我一點點時間\n671862\t689962\t內政部長這裡我看到我們今天的報告提到自購住宅貸款利息補貼還有修繕住宅貸款利息補貼要等到今年8月才開辦可以更早嗎4月發生這個災害但是要到8月能不能提早申請\n691996\t716122\t對這個是可以申請的現在就可以申請所以從剛剛我們這個內政部的災害補貼還有我們工程會我們也看到現在很多人講這個地震一發生重建需要一百億需要幾百億這個根本是欺騙大眾誤導民眾而且是混淆視聽\n717162\t736702\t因為整個的重建它有規劃期程而且它有它的工作進度會需要分年來編列部長您認同嗎委員跟你報告現在因為所有的現在還在安置的這個階段後續還有包括重建所以還沒開始重建還有振興後面還有振興的這些工作\n737122\t748107\t所以現在這個需求也跟花蓮縣政府正在所以目前連需求都還不知道所以有人說災害一發生馬上要100億這個部長您覺得這個應該是亂說的吧\n753589\t778157\t已經兩個禮拜了你也沒有要一百億啊這個可能包括剛剛在講因為受災最嚴重的其實是交通那交通的一個復原的確需要蠻龐大的一個經費對但不是立即的嘛當然不是馬上因為你這個是分年逐年的這個來編列嘛是不過我補充一點比如說像我們的國家公園可能就需要超過十億以上不過現在需求對你們應該有相關經費編列啊\n781568\t803198\t你們應該要編列災後準備金可能不是災後準備金立即今年可能需要用的我們會跟行政院來提出這個申請那如果需要比如說需要一點時間的話我們會跟行政院來爭取後續重建的進度對嘛需要一點時間好謝謝非常謝謝徐新英委員的質詢謝謝部長謝謝署長謝謝工程會的處長謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席本席請主計總處陳副主計長請副主計長委員好副主計長好本席首先想請教您我們4月3號花蓮的這個大地震到今天請問中央目前有動用到特別預算嗎\n目前就是各部會各部會他是就他所需要救災需要的款項我請教的是你現在有沒有動用到特別預算目前沒有嘛因為就是有的項目例如就是說如果有屬於情增預算那就有可能但是實際上你是指\n中央有下去協助震災嗎?\n我們現在就要請教副主計長我們現在中央各部會是用什麼經費目前中央各部會因為比如說這個交通部、經濟部、農業部等等他們本來就有跟這個比如說道路啊然後用哪個項目他用他的哪個項目的經費\n譬如說交通部公路局他就會用到這個省道災害准備費對不對那今天來我們內政委員會列席的相關單位他們有沒有編列災害準備費或工程災害準備費\n就您了解今天的勞動部、環境部、內政部、原民會還有交通部、工程會當然剛剛交通部您有講了他有用到公路養護費裡面的災害準備費那其他今天列席的單位他們有沒有編列災害準備費\n是我跟委員報告因為就是說我們中央就是說各個部會他本來就有一些跟災害有關他的名稱不一定叫做災害準備費所以他有等於是他們是編列他們動用的這次重大天災的經費來源他們是有相關的名目各部不同嗎非常多對那有沒有用到行政院的第二準備金\n現在在盤點當中如果有不足的有可能會動用到所以本席再請教一次4月3號花蓮大地震今天4月15號那今年度有沒有再度的中央政府有沒有再度的提出特別預算\n目前沒有但是我們目前的經費的籌措就是包括行政院災害準備金以及第二預備金等等都是可用的財源目前可用的財源是優先用第二預備金或是中央的災害準備金\n這個部會原來就有以及各部會他自己各基金現有的計畫可以去運用的那我們行政院如果不足的那行政院的災害準備金、第二預備金等等都會用這些優先用而且這些本來就是在我們的總預算裡面應該要編足的項目\n在行政院公共工程委員會中央各部會碰到花蓮大地震\n可以用的費用裡面有各式各樣的災害準備金還有行政院的第二預備金這個很明顯那再來就是我們行政院公共工程委員會在4月3號一發生大地震之後就有發出一個函那這個函上面有特別寫到\n依據這個天災要搶救相關作業請各機關要依據中央對各級地方政府重大天然災害救災經費處理辦法這個處理辦法裡面也特別有提到\n各地方政府要優先用災害準備金來支應或者就年度的預算來採移緩計及的方式這點副主席長認同吧這是明文規定的對不對那如果地方不足要中央來\n中央特別統籌分配稅款,再不足就用災害準備金。」\n第17條行政院核定撥補的災害救助包含緊急搶救還有重建復建的經費要以中央特別統籌分配稅款為裁員如有不敷以中央政府編列之災害準備金或者才另籌裁員之印這個是規定所說的\n所以我想本席在這裡也要向社會大眾因為最近從花蓮大地震之後有非常多的網路或是媒體都欺騙大眾\n說這個花蓮大地震的救命錢要用特別預算如果修正預算法第83條、84條那就會沒有救命錢所以剛剛我們的這個對答質詢我們可以肯定就是說我們中央政府、地方政府都有災害準備金而且有中央統籌分配稅款可以優先來支應所以我們最後本席也想請教副主計長\n我們這個特別預算的部分我們為了這個不讓執政的政府執政的政府不應該把特別預算變成特別浪費或特別亂用或特別腐爛你認不認同\n我想我們所有的特別預算一定都是以最近這幾年一定先有一個條例然後經過大院的審核非常好對所以未審先用是不好的因為這是規避這個監督好那本席的時間有限謝謝副主計長謝謝副主計長所以我們對於\n這個預算法的第83條、84條的修正我們就是要避免債留子孫好 那主席本席接著想請內政部長請內政部部長這個副主計長剛剛您忘了兩次已經忘了跟我回禮了好 非常謝謝你懂禮貌 謝謝請你部長 謝謝所以委員好\n部長好從4月3號到今天整個救援的工作還持續所以本席在此也要特別向我們消防署還有投入的空勤總隊以及協助這個勘驗的全國土木技師公會的協助來表達12萬分的敬意那大家都辛苦了\n但是後續還有漫長的震災跟重建工作本席想特別請教我們中央災害應變中心是在內政部所以整個的總指揮官應該是部長您吧是那請問我們中央就是說現在對花蓮縣政府的災損、震災還有重建的需求請問中央相關部會有沒有不同的意見\n目前撥款的情形\n目前部管委員會是在各個不同的部會所以我們中央指揮中心不會了解也不會知道我跟委員報告我這邊是負責搶救災那災後的這個重建的部分是在工程會統籌那未來我們那天院長去 總統去也有提到我們未來會在花蓮這個地方設一個重建的辦公室\n所以未來重建辦公室是內政部去那邊設不是是工程會不好意思請問今天工程會有來嗎有的工程會處長有來所以本席想接著請教處長我們現在重建工作規劃進度預算來源大概是怎麼樣\n我們有分中央的跟對地方的那現在重建的部分對地方的公共設施就是剛剛委員隨行主計長的部分就是災害復建的相關的中央對地方的經費的支用的辦法你重建預計要多久\n我今天的報告裡面沒有提到但是上週四的行政院院會資料有提到整個拆除重建要5年的時間所以你的預算應該也是5年去攤吧依據這個規劃進度來攤平嘛就是去按照進度那不好意思再給我一點點時間\n內政部長這裡我看到我們今天的報告提到自購住宅貸款利息補貼還有修繕住宅貸款利息補貼要等到今年8月才開辦可以更早嗎4月發生這個災害但是要到8月能不能提早申請\n對這個是可以申請的現在就可以申請所以從剛剛我們這個內政部的災害補貼還有我們工程會我們也看到現在很多人講這個地震一發生重建需要一百億需要幾百億這個根本是欺騙大眾誤導民眾而且是混淆視聽\n因為整個的重建它有規劃期程而且它有它的工作進度會需要分年來編列部長您認同嗎委員跟你報告現在因為所有的現在還在安置的這個階段後續還有包括重建所以還沒開始重建還有振興後面還有振興的這些工作\n所以現在這個需求也跟花蓮縣政府正在所以目前連需求都還不知道所以有人說災害一發生馬上要100億這個部長您覺得這個應該是亂說的吧\n已經兩個禮拜了你也沒有要一百億啊這個可能包括剛剛在講因為受災最嚴重的其實是交通那交通的一個復原的確需要蠻龐大的一個經費對但不是立即的嘛當然不是馬上因為你這個是分年逐年的這個來編列嘛是不過我補充一點比如說像我們的國家公園可能就需要超過十億以上不過現在需求對你們應該有相關經費編列啊\n你們應該要編列災後準備金可能不是災後準備金立即今年可能需要用的我們會跟行政院來提出這個申請那如果需要比如說需要一點時間的話我們會跟行政院來爭取後續重建的進度對嘛需要一點時間好謝謝非常謝謝徐新英委員的質詢謝謝部長謝謝署長謝謝工程會的處長謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.789 --> 00:12.231\n謝謝主席本席請主計總處陳副主計長請副主計長委員好副主計長好本席首先想請教您我們4月3號花蓮的這個大地震到今天請問中央目前有動用到特別預算嗎\n\n00:38.273 --> 01:02.924\n目前就是各部會各部會他是就他所需要救災需要的款項我請教的是你現在有沒有動用到特別預算目前沒有嘛因為就是有的項目例如就是說如果有屬於情增預算那就有可能但是實際上你是指\n\n01:04.426 --> 01:05.247\n中央有下去協助震災嗎?\n\n01:28.120 --> 01:50.708\n我們現在就要請教副主計長我們現在中央各部會是用什麼經費目前中央各部會因為比如說這個交通部、經濟部、農業部等等他們本來就有跟這個比如說道路啊然後用哪個項目他用他的哪個項目的經費\n\n01:51.508 --> 02:11.102\n譬如說交通部公路局他就會用到這個省道災害准備費對不對那今天來我們內政委員會列席的相關單位他們有沒有編列災害準備費或工程災害準備費\n\n02:12.677 --> 02:30.652\n就您了解今天的勞動部、環境部、內政部、原民會還有交通部、工程會當然剛剛交通部您有講了他有用到公路養護費裡面的災害準備費那其他今天列席的單位他們有沒有編列災害準備費\n\n02:31.613 --> 02:59.356\n是我跟委員報告因為就是說我們中央就是說各個部會他本來就有一些跟災害有關他的名稱不一定叫做災害準備費所以他有等於是他們是編列他們動用的這次重大天災的經費來源他們是有相關的名目各部不同嗎非常多對那有沒有用到行政院的第二準備金\n\n03:01.097 --> 03:18.865\n現在在盤點當中如果有不足的有可能會動用到所以本席再請教一次4月3號花蓮大地震今天4月15號那今年度有沒有再度的中央政府有沒有再度的提出特別預算\n\n03:20.127 --> 03:38.170\n目前沒有但是我們目前的經費的籌措就是包括行政院災害準備金以及第二預備金等等都是可用的財源目前可用的財源是優先用第二預備金或是中央的災害準備金\n\n03:41.788 --> 04:04.645\n這個部會原來就有以及各部會他自己各基金現有的計畫可以去運用的那我們行政院如果不足的那行政院的災害準備金、第二預備金等等都會用這些優先用而且這些本來就是在我們的總預算裡面應該要編足的項目\n\n04:05.706 --> 04:20.683\n在行政院公共工程委員會中央各部會碰到花蓮大地震\n\n04:22.150 --> 04:42.432\n可以用的費用裡面有各式各樣的災害準備金還有行政院的第二預備金這個很明顯那再來就是我們行政院公共工程委員會在4月3號一發生大地震之後就有發出一個函那這個函上面有特別寫到\n\n04:44.005 --> 04:59.414\n依據這個天災要搶救相關作業請各機關要依據中央對各級地方政府重大天然災害救災經費處理辦法這個處理辦法裡面也特別有提到\n\n05:01.755 --> 05:22.032\n各地方政府要優先用災害準備金來支應或者就年度的預算來採移緩計及的方式這點副主席長認同吧這是明文規定的對不對那如果地方不足要中央來\n\n05:25.154 --> 05:27.837\n中央特別統籌分配稅款,再不足就用災害準備金。」\n\n05:54.411 --> 06:17.036\n第17條行政院核定撥補的災害救助包含緊急搶救還有重建復建的經費要以中央特別統籌分配稅款為裁員如有不敷以中央政府編列之災害準備金或者才另籌裁員之印這個是規定所說的\n\n06:18.096 --> 06:36.315\n所以我想本席在這裡也要向社會大眾因為最近從花蓮大地震之後有非常多的網路或是媒體都欺騙大眾\n\n06:39.177 --> 07:05.993\n說這個花蓮大地震的救命錢要用特別預算如果修正預算法第83條、84條那就會沒有救命錢所以剛剛我們的這個對答質詢我們可以肯定就是說我們中央政府、地方政府都有災害準備金而且有中央統籌分配稅款可以優先來支應所以我們最後本席也想請教副主計長\n\n07:07.540 --> 07:23.668\n我們這個特別預算的部分我們為了這個不讓執政的政府執政的政府不應該把特別預算變成特別浪費或特別亂用或特別腐爛你認不認同\n\n07:25.748 --> 07:50.277\n我想我們所有的特別預算一定都是以最近這幾年一定先有一個條例然後經過大院的審核非常好對所以未審先用是不好的因為這是規避這個監督好那本席的時間有限謝謝副主計長謝謝副主計長所以我們對於\n\n07:52.298 --> 08:14.955\n這個預算法的第83條、84條的修正我們就是要避免債留子孫好那主席本席接著想請內政部長請內政部部長這個副主計長剛剛您忘了兩次已經忘了跟我回禮了好非常謝謝你懂禮貌謝謝請你部長謝謝所以委員好\n\n08:22.746 --> 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