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00:00:25,533\n市長4月3號這個大地震現在我們都面臨一些我們的補強動作像在本席的轄區在土城就有好幾次那這一次是花蓮的災情比較嚴重但土城還是有幾次都面臨的已經所有的住戶都已經遷出去了但是我們現在最重要就是要\n\n3\n00:00:49,502 --> 00:01:09,152\n我們署長了解說這個所在已經整個人說那個手衣軟腳那個柱子都已經軟掉了在這種情形下你是要怎麼內政補強還是要說一個重建但是現在重建面臨就是說\n\n4\n00:01:10,512 --> 00:01:31,158\n你農機沒有辦法提升你針對我們這些地政戶你農機沒辦法提升大家的意願還是不高那現在又不能住那你說好那你那個耐震補強你說最高450萬那還不過啊你在這種情形下你要怎麼來解決這個問題我現在給你看前面那個主席是那今天你說已經都整個都已經冷靜了吧\n\n5\n00:01:38,980 --> 00:02:01,489\n人家說已經軟卡條了,你怎麼去解決這個問題其實真的是要阻礙阻礙的看他的樣態那其實因為軟腳蝦的部分他如果確認可以經過補強的方式就是耐震補強的方式來提升他的耐震能力的話那其實當然現在的做法有很多種\n\n6\n00:02:02,429 --> 00:02:27,475\n那其實我們會之前會有這樣的一個經費上面也是從一些經驗值來看那當然如果說的確有些案子會比較特殊我想我們會就個案的部分再來協助我想這內政的部分大概是比較就是只要個案出來我們會再看他的狀況需要做到什麼程度當然有些如果真的確定即便是以內政補強也沒有辦法達到\n\n7\n00:02:28,295 --> 00:02:45,395\n比較好的結構安全的話的確它就需要都更跟危老的方式來進行那現在來講以都更來講它就是因為這些舊大樓通常它的容積都已經比法定容積高所以它是是以原有的容積\n\n8\n00:02:46,376 --> 00:03:10,175\n是以原有容積的1.15倍1.3跟1.15倍就是杜庚是1.3韋老師1.15那這樣的方式來進行那所以其實以他原容再乘以1.3的話其實他是夠的那現在只是說當然現在大家對於杜庚的期待有些會比較高啦就希望真的有一些就想要一瓶換一瓶但事實上每個個案算出來的結果是不一樣的\n\n9\n00:03:11,016 --> 00:03:22,302\n那這個部分我們還是主案的話我們第一個會簡化程序第二個盡量它是原容的話我們盡量鼓勵它用原容的原有容積的方式來申請獎那個比較好\n\n10\n00:03:22,688 --> 00:03:28,771\n委員長現在已經在兩腳下調現在已經面臨他們住戶也沒辦法在那邊住有的是紅單有的是黃單那在這種認定之下你說沒多少錢來做整個來做獨耕也好圍爐也好但是現在最重要的是獎勵的問題因為獎勵不夠大家的\n\n11\n00:03:48,880 --> 00:04:14,286\n建商的投資意願也不高你又面臨你放了幾年大家都遙遙無期所以他們一些民眾他們的期待甚至在中央政府這方面要怎麼來協助要怎麼說在這方面農機要如何來做提升他們的意願建商的意願會比較高這種應該是一個急迫性不然你現在\n\n12\n00:04:15,492 --> 00:04:29,307\n移動大樓都好幾百戶大家都遷出去那現在都去寄住但是你這也不是跟我問題啊因為未來你還是要面臨去解決這個問題啊所以說在這個部分是不是說我們國土屬下\n\n13\n00:04:34,995 --> 00:04:44,837\n採取方法案,可以替民眾解決這問題,現在這事應該是比較合及的,這是不是說輸掉這部分,你來做研究?好,這部分我們來探討看,有辦法再來做一個調整嘛對,因為你一定要獎勵嘛,你沒獎勵的話很主持是有啦,可能大家覺得有一些可能或許還不夠這樣子,我知道委員的意思,所以\n\n14\n00:04:59,744 --> 00:05:06,170\n大致上都是鼓勵他用原有容積的獎勵值會比較好一點你說針對我們的維羅針對我們地震受災負我們要來個案怎樣來做處理這樣速度應該會比較快\n\n15\n00:05:16,358 --> 00:05:32,627\n這個我想委員會委員到時候再提供給我們一些建議我們我想接下來的這個危老重建的過程當中我們也會請輔導團找這個住戶來談談看看他們的一些期待那這樣的話可能會有利於加速他們整合\n\n16\n00:05:33,427 --> 00:05:58,565\n因為這處的地點在我本席的所在土生就已經有34位了所以大家都面臨這個土地這處要怎樣來做圍爐來做渡耕這部分是大家可以來研究好不好教育部有來嗎請教育部教育部有教育部我們請代理謝謝\n\n17\n00:06:02,561 --> 00:06:17,534\n你好,我們教育部的代理市長針對我們土城有兩個學校這次的地震也是面臨的有危險的\n\n18\n00:06:20,676 --> 00:06:36,628\n會出現在土城國小跟清水國小在這個部分因為協同的安全是我們最注重在這個部分是不是說教育部一定要主動跟學校來做聯繫就土城一個土城國小還有一個清水國小\n\n19\n00:06:37,508 --> 00:06:56,334\n因為土城國小也算百年的校舍所以說在內政界的部分比較不足但是我們說協同的安全我們教育部這邊也要主動去協助是,委員針對土城跟青海國小我會請我們許副這邊會後會特別來聯繫許下好的,好\n\n20\n00:07:04,202 --> 00:07:20,248\n這部份一定要趕快要積極因為我們學校的安全小朋友他們的安全還是非常重要這是我們家長都是最關心的啦好不好好請徐副署長能夠跟召委這樣\n\n21\n00:07:21,048 --> 00:07:49,935\n了解一下狀況那委員有關在學校的部分來講這次新北市他們也是有報了一些災損那後續他們其實也是依照程序會透過他們自己的災害準備金或是進到工程會災害準備金來做申請那如果剛剛委員提到的那早年其實我們也都做過耐震的這個出屏降頻道補強那如果您剛剛所提的兩所學校他有額外的需求那我們也會進一步來了解以上\n\n22\n00:07:50,475 --> 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