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00:03:09,181\n當然對這種行為上面問題透過治療或輔導,對他行為改變事項。謝謝市長你的回應。副市長,所以這個就是我要強調的。就是說我覺得我們的還給數的條件,無論是支付公庫或者寫悔過書,其實民眾\n\n9\n00:03:10,282 --> 00:03:30,655\n更期待更期待更擔心的就是說如何預防再犯這件事這也就牽涉到我們社會安全網我認為預防再犯在這件事情上是完全被棄守為什麼我這麼說因為預防再犯其實我我應該我應該是說司法不應該成為犯罪者的避風港那當然更不應該\n\n10\n00:04:02,123 --> 00:04:24,635\n報告委員就是緩起訴處分的規定規定在刑事訴訟法253條之二那它總共可以有8款的事由那就會涵蓋委員剛才所提到的比方說要命這個被告來完成戒癮治療、精神治療、心理治療、心理諮商、心理輔導或者是其他再犯必要的命令好時間先佔領我是不是也可以請我們金管會跟警政署代表上台一下我快速的\n\n11\n00:04:27,724 --> 00:04:51,362\n因為這個案子包括他整個金流的過程是用虛擬貨幣那虛擬貨幣其實匿名化去中心化是一個重點那我特別關注到4月12號公開創意私房特別在他的金流上因為無論如何他再用虛擬貨幣最後還是一定要用法幣法定的貨幣去做支換\n\n12\n00:04:52,162 --> 00:05:19,229\n那4月12日那一天新聞露出的時候我也看到檢察官寫了一段話就說其實前年已經有關注過相關的金流並且持續關注我覺得很好奇這件事情如果檢察官兩年前已經關注這些金流為什麼不提早兩年前就把這些創意私房這些案子揭發而讓這些網站繼續流放這些照片\n\n13\n00:05:20,919 --> 00:05:45,462\n到底這兩年到底在等什麼?在等黃道吉日嗎?我不懂欸我不懂這個案子為什麼不能在兩年前因為只要這個影像這些影片放在網路上多一天這個對於青少年來說都是受害所以我覺得在這件事情上我覺得整個檢查單位事實上有務必有很多的檢查的必要性在\n\n14\n00:05:47,011 --> 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那我必須還是要講就是說臺北地檢署對外的聲明我覺得跟民眾的觀感感受上實際上是有落差的我是不是可以先暫停請那個我們新康寺的陳市長一起上臺好不好\n市長黃紫嬌在事情爆發之後她曾經在直播的時候是特別去強調說她從小成長的過程當中包括因為母親的關係有外遇的情境還有性病態的一些相關的一些習慣也提到就是說親子關係的缺點包括扭曲的性認知我們都知道扭曲性認知會不會是變成未來再犯的危險因果\n從心理治療的層面上,你怎麼去看待這件事情?\n跟委員報告那原則上我們是覺得說這個案要不要做治療其實是可以透過鑑定的程序啦那您就他過去在媒體上他直播的過程您覺得要不要再做心理的治療跟委員報告從預防再犯啦就是說因為會有這樣子的狀況其實包括成長的過程或許都是因素之一你覺得需不需要再做心理治療因為像這個案預防再犯會不會比較對預防再犯會不會比較好\n當然對這種行為上面問題透過治療或輔導,對他行為改變事項。謝謝市長你的回應。副市長,所以這個就是我要強調的。就是說我覺得我們的還給數的條件,無論是支付公庫或者寫悔過書,其實民眾\n更期待更期待更擔心的就是說如何預防再犯這件事這也就牽涉到我們社會安全網我認為預防再犯在這件事情上是完全被棄守為什麼我這麼說因為預防再犯其實我我應該我應該是說司法不應該成為犯罪者的避風港那當然更不應該\n﹗\n報告委員就是緩起訴處分的規定規定在刑事訴訟法253條之二那它總共可以有8款的事由那就會涵蓋委員剛才所提到的比方說要命這個被告來完成戒癮治療、精神治療、心理治療、心理諮商、心理輔導或者是其他再犯必要的命令好時間先佔領我是不是也可以請我們金管會跟警政署代表上台一下我快速的\n因為這個案子包括他整個金流的過程是用虛擬貨幣那虛擬貨幣其實匿名化去中心化是一個重點那我特別關注到4月12號公開創意私房特別在他的金流上因為無論如何他再用虛擬貨幣最後還是一定要用法幣法定的貨幣去做支換\n那4月12日那一天新聞露出的時候我也看到檢察官寫了一段話就說其實前年已經有關注過相關的金流並且持續關注我覺得很好奇這件事情如果檢察官兩年前已經關注這些金流為什麼不提早兩年前就把這些創意私房這些案子揭發而讓這些網站繼續流放這些照片\n到底這兩年到底在等什麼?在等黃道吉日嗎?我不懂欸我不懂這個案子為什麼不能在兩年前因為只要這個影像這些影片放在網路上多一天這個對於青少年來說都是受害所以我覺得在這件事情上我覺得整個檢查單位事實上有務必有很多的檢查的必要性在\n我們法務部在哪裡可不可以說明一下兩年前這個金流已經你們還特別在媒體公開說檢方前年已經注意過相關金流並持續關注那為什麼不是在前年就揭發這件事情各位委員報告因為這個部分我在想指的會不會是說因為111年的時候甲官這邊已經有起訴的這個事情因為創意四房這個案件就是在比較早所以他換了一個IP然後另外又再次上架\n因為我們現在不是很了解這邊所謂的那檢方早就掌握到底是所以我覺得這個這也難怪民眾在整件事情觀感無論是在法務部無論在衛福部大家都覺得\n行政怠惰前幾天部長我請部長部長你回答說因為有相關的施行細則所以你沒有辦法在第一時間下架但是我們是根據前兩天你是根據36條第一項事實上我們如果處置必要時我們極為可以是強制下架的對不對\n其實嚴格來說我們是用母法第8條對部長不管哪一條其實我們可以強制下架其實我就認為說如果我們身為執政官員我們把每一件人民在乎的事情都當作大事重要事情來辦我們就可以提早做部長我這樣講對不對相較你那一天的回應\n我們其實是希望都可以這樣但是同仁在處理這件事情的時候因為過去都依照施行細節部長從保齡案開始我覺得中央跟地方的合作我覺得都凸顯出我們的螺絲松我最後的20秒稍微我覺得部長針對於現在輔導教育的內容我們寫了一大堆要叫他來上課什麼\n我覺得個案矯正治療的成效要客製化的處理\n才會真正有效預防這些犯罪或再犯部長你同意我的說法嗎一部分是同意的也就是說我覺得你目前安排的方法其實都是就我看來就很容易流於形式交差了事我跟委員報告大部分在做這種認知交易的輔導的這部分的話大概就是這樣子但是有一件事\n我跟委員報告對於這種兒少性剝削的犯罪行為很多在國外的一些經驗裡面證實是那些輔導教育是沒效的\n對嘛 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03:30.655\n更期待更期待更擔心的就是說如何預防再犯這件事這也就牽涉到我們社會安全網我認為預防再犯在這件事情上是完全被棄守為什麼我這麼說因為預防再犯其實我我應該我應該是說司法不應該成為犯罪者的避風港那當然更不應該\n\n04:02.123 --> 04:24.635\n報告委員就是緩起訴處分的規定規定在刑事訴訟法253條之二那它總共可以有8款的事由那就會涵蓋委員剛才所提到的比方說要命這個被告來完成戒癮治療、精神治療、心理治療、心理諮商、心理輔導或者是其他再犯必要的命令好時間先佔領我是不是也可以請我們金管會跟警政署代表上台一下我快速的\n\n04:27.724 --> 04:51.362\n因為這個案子包括他整個金流的過程是用虛擬貨幣那虛擬貨幣其實匿名化去中心化是一個重點那我特別關注到4月12號公開創意私房特別在他的金流上因為無論如何他再用虛擬貨幣最後還是一定要用法幣法定的貨幣去做支換\n\n04:52.162 --> 05:19.229\n那4月12日那一天新聞露出的時候我也看到檢察官寫了一段話就說其實前年已經有關注過相關的金流並且持續關注我覺得很好奇這件事情如果檢察官兩年前已經關注這些金流為什麼不提早兩年前就把這些創意私房這些案子揭發而讓這些網站繼續流放這些照片\n\n05:20.919 --> 05:45.462\n到底這兩年到底在等什麼?在等黃道吉日嗎?我不懂欸我不懂這個案子為什麼不能在兩年前因為只要這個影像這些影片放在網路上多一天這個對於青少年來說都是受害所以我覺得在這件事情上我覺得整個檢查單位事實上有務必有很多的檢查的必要性在\n\n05:47.011 --> 06:15.608\n我們法務部在哪裡可不可以說明一下兩年前這個金流已經你們還特別在媒體公開說檢方前年已經注意過相關金流並持續關注那為什麼不是在前年就揭發這件事情各位委員報告因為這個部分我在想指的會不會是說因為111年的時候甲官這邊已經有起訴的這個事情因為創意四房這個案件就是在比較早所以他換了一個IP然後另外又再次上架\n\n06:16.628 --> 06:28.336\n因為我們現在不是很了解這邊所謂的那檢方早就掌握到底是所以我覺得這個這也難怪民眾在整件事情觀感無論是在法務部無論在衛福部大家都覺得\n\n06:29.668 --> 06:51.529\n行政怠惰前幾天部長我請部長部長你回答說因為有相關的施行細則所以你沒有辦法在第一時間下架但是我們是根據前兩天你是根據36條第一項事實上我們如果處置必要時我們極為可以是強制下架的對不對\n\n06:52.650 --> 07:12.441\n其實嚴格來說我們是用母法第8條對部長不管哪一條其實我們可以強制下架其實我就認為說如果我們身為執政官員我們把每一件人民在乎的事情都當作大事重要事情來辦我們就可以提早做部長我這樣講對不對相較你那一天的回應\n\n07:12.981 --> 07:36.371\n我們其實是希望都可以這樣但是同仁在處理這件事情的時候因為過去都依照施行細節部長從保齡案開始我覺得中央跟地方的合作我覺得都凸顯出我們的螺絲松我最後的20秒稍微我覺得部長針對於現在輔導教育的內容我們寫了一大堆要叫他來上課什麼\n\n07:36.971 --> 07:38.233\n我覺得個案矯正治療的成效要客製化的處理\n\n07:50.771 --> 08:16.012\n才會真正有效預防這些犯罪或再犯部長你同意我的說法嗎一部分是同意的也就是說我覺得你目前安排的方法其實都是就我看來就很容易流於形式交差了事我跟委員報告大部分在做這種認知交易的輔導的這部分的話大概就是這樣子但是有一件事\n\n08:16.152 --> 08:18.233\n我跟委員報告對於這種兒少性剝削的犯罪行為很多在國外的一些經驗裡面證實是那些輔導教育是沒效的\n\n08:35.203 --> 09:02.148\n對嘛所以我今天最後一個訴求最後10秒鐘我希望這個輔導教育的功能兩週之內提出精進改善的計畫怎麼樣處理甚至有些是需要客製化的處理我覺得要好好我們後面緩起訴我們有這些課程是希望可以預防再犯但到底怎麼樣預防再犯而不是讓我們這些課程流於形式我覺得是重點好不好好謝謝部長\n\n09:04.520 --> 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那我必須還是要講就是說臺北地檢署對外的聲明我覺得跟民眾的觀感感受上實際上是有落差的我是不是可以先暫停請那個我們新康寺的陳市長一起上臺好不好"},{"start":99.064,"end":127.606,"text":"市長黃紫嬌在事情爆發之後她曾經在直播的時候是特別去強調說她從小成長的過程當中包括因為母親的關係有外遇的情境還有性病態的一些相關的一些習慣也提到就是說親子關係的缺點包括扭曲的性認知我們都知道扭曲性認知會不會是變成未來再犯的危險因果"},{"start":128.046,"end":132.451,"text":"從心理治療的層面上,你怎麼去看待這件事情?"},{"start":143.305,"end":172.76,"text":"跟委員報告那原則上我們是覺得說這個案要不要做治療其實是可以透過鑑定的程序啦那您就他過去在媒體上他直播的過程您覺得要不要再做心理的治療跟委員報告從預防再犯啦就是說因為會有這樣子的狀況其實包括成長的過程或許都是因素之一你覺得需不需要再做心理治療因為像這個案預防再犯會不會比較對預防再犯會不會比較好"},{"start":173.479,"end":189.181,"text":"當然對這種行為上面問題透過治療或輔導,對他行為改變事項。謝謝市長你的回應。副市長,所以這個就是我要強調的。就是說我覺得我們的還給數的條件,無論是支付公庫或者寫悔過書,其實民眾"},{"start":190.282,"end":210.655,"text":"更期待更期待更擔心的就是說如何預防再犯這件事這也就牽涉到我們社會安全網我認為預防再犯在這件事情上是完全被棄守為什麼我這麼說因為預防再犯其實我我應該我應該是說司法不應該成為犯罪者的避風港那當然更不應該"},{"start":211.476,"end":241.408,"text":"﹗"},{"start":242.123,"end":264.635,"text":"報告委員就是緩起訴處分的規定規定在刑事訴訟法253條之二那它總共可以有8款的事由那就會涵蓋委員剛才所提到的比方說要命這個被告來完成戒癮治療、精神治療、心理治療、心理諮商、心理輔導或者是其他再犯必要的命令好時間先佔領我是不是也可以請我們金管會跟警政署代表上台一下我快速的"},{"start":267.724,"end":291.362,"text":"因為這個案子包括他整個金流的過程是用虛擬貨幣那虛擬貨幣其實匿名化去中心化是一個重點那我特別關注到4月12號公開創意私房特別在他的金流上因為無論如何他再用虛擬貨幣最後還是一定要用法幣法定的貨幣去做支換"},{"start":292.162,"end":319.229,"text":"那4月12日那一天新聞露出的時候我也看到檢察官寫了一段話就說其實前年已經有關注過相關的金流並且持續關注我覺得很好奇這件事情如果檢察官兩年前已經關注這些金流為什麼不提早兩年前就把這些創意私房這些案子揭發而讓這些網站繼續流放這些照片"},{"start":320.919,"end":345.462,"text":"到底這兩年到底在等什麼?在等黃道吉日嗎?我不懂欸我不懂這個案子為什麼不能在兩年前因為只要這個影像這些影片放在網路上多一天這個對於青少年來說都是受害所以我覺得在這件事情上我覺得整個檢查單位事實上有務必有很多的檢查的必要性在"},{"start":347.011,"end":375.608,"text":"我們法務部在哪裡可不可以說明一下兩年前這個金流已經你們還特別在媒體公開說檢方前年已經注意過相關金流並持續關注那為什麼不是在前年就揭發這件事情各位委員報告因為這個部分我在想指的會不會是說因為111年的時候甲官這邊已經有起訴的這個事情因為創意四房這個案件就是在比較早所以他換了一個IP然後另外又再次上架"},{"start":376.628,"end":388.336,"text":"因為我們現在不是很了解這邊所謂的那檢方早就掌握到底是所以我覺得這個這也難怪民眾在整件事情觀感無論是在法務部無論在衛福部大家都覺得"},{"start":389.668,"end":411.529,"text":"行政怠惰前幾天部長我請部長部長你回答說因為有相關的施行細則所以你沒有辦法在第一時間下架但是我們是根據前兩天你是根據36條第一項事實上我們如果處置必要時我們極為可以是強制下架的對不對"},{"start":412.65,"end":432.441,"text":"其實嚴格來說我們是用母法第8條對部長不管哪一條其實我們可以強制下架其實我就認為說如果我們身為執政官員我們把每一件人民在乎的事情都當作大事重要事情來辦我們就可以提早做部長我這樣講對不對相較你那一天的回應"},{"start":432.981,"end":456.371,"text":"我們其實是希望都可以這樣但是同仁在處理這件事情的時候因為過去都依照施行細節部長從保齡案開始我覺得中央跟地方的合作我覺得都凸顯出我們的螺絲松我最後的20秒稍微我覺得部長針對於現在輔導教育的內容我們寫了一大堆要叫他來上課什麼"},{"start":456.971,"end":458.233,"text":"我覺得個案矯正治療的成效要客製化的處理"},{"start":470.771,"end":496.012,"text":"才會真正有效預防這些犯罪或再犯部長你同意我的說法嗎一部分是同意的也就是說我覺得你目前安排的方法其實都是就我看來就很容易流於形式交差了事我跟委員報告大部分在做這種認知交易的輔導的這部分的話大概就是這樣子但是有一件事"},{"start":496.152,"end":498.233,"text":"我跟委員報告對於這種兒少性剝削的犯罪行為很多在國外的一些經驗裡面證實是那些輔導教育是沒效的"},{"start":515.203,"end":542.148,"text":"對嘛 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