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00:03:12,270\n所以這樣子的問題說實在因為現在接近520交接叫你現在下台也沒有什麼意義可是終究做一天和尚轉一天中我們真的很擔心如果按照這樣的一個這樣子發展的話我們會不會再有什麼樣的讓我們社會不可承受之重的這些社會案件、食安案件這些兒童保護的案件繼續發生\n\n10\n00:03:14,051 --> 00:03:23,569\n所以部長你要不要對社會大眾道歉啊我知道你有很多對個案道歉可是有這麼多事件要是我都覺得很不好意思欸\n\n11\n00:03:25,499 --> 00:03:44,898\n你自己心裡作何感想每一個案件他都有這個一些問題存在這是沒有錯那我們是每一個案件問對問題去解決問題有解決嗎當然是有部分的解決有些事還在解決沒辦法解決我剛剛講了哪幾個解決了嗎你告訴我\n\n12\n00:03:47,981 --> 00:04:11,237\n蘇丹宏的案件的話最近出來的那個是最收尾的也就是在我們全面的邊境管制還在收尾那時候跟我們講說不會再發生我們在邊境管制全面的邊境管制之前好啦我時間有限我現在覺得你應該鄭重跟社會道歉啊我剛講這麼多的案件通通發生在回復部每一個案件我們都是正面去面對正面去解決\n\n13\n00:04:12,213 --> 00:04:36,918\n我就跟你講嘛,你沒有解決啊!為什麼你的部會發生的問題這麼多呢?其他部會怎麼沒有那麼多問題呢?你還能夠強辯?不能怪你嗎?怪我嗎?怪這些死掉的兒童嗎?怪這些受害的這些未成年嗎?怪這些因為食案問題而死亡或在家或病房的人嗎?你講話有人性嗎?不能怪你,怪誰呢?\n\n14\n00:04:37,967 --> 00:04:52,998\n我說沒有辦法去怪說哪一個部會的,這一個每一個案件會出來的時間會聚集在一起,這個並不是說我們去...這樣這是偶然,會聚集起來是偶然,不是必然,不是因為你領導的衛福部的關係\n\n15\n00:04:57,621 --> 00:05:12,216\n為什麼會有這樣系統問題我告訴你現在系統性的問題不是只有食安是在你薛瑞元領導的衛福部出現了系統性的問題啊你到現在還不願意跟社會大眾道歉我真的覺得你不知道哪來的底氣啊\n\n16\n00:05:13,888 --> 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03:12.270\n所以這樣子的問題說實在因為現在接近520交接叫你現在下台也沒有什麼意義可是終究做一天和尚轉一天中我們真的很擔心如果按照這樣的一個這樣子發展的話我們會不會再有什麼樣的讓我們社會不可承受之重的這些社會案件、食安案件這些兒童保護的案件繼續發生\n\n03:14.051 --> 03:23.569\n所以部長你要不要對社會大眾道歉啊我知道你有很多對個案道歉可是有這麼多事件要是我都覺得很不好意思欸\n\n03:25.499 --> 03:44.898\n你自己心裡作何感想每一個案件他都有這個一些問題存在這是沒有錯那我們是每一個案件問對問題去解決問題有解決嗎當然是有部分的解決有些事還在解決沒辦法解決我剛剛講了哪幾個解決了嗎你告訴我\n\n03:47.981 --> 04:11.237\n蘇丹宏的案件的話最近出來的那個是最收尾的也就是在我們全面的邊境管制還在收尾那時候跟我們講說不會再發生我們在邊境管制全面的邊境管制之前好啦我時間有限我現在覺得你應該鄭重跟社會道歉啊我剛講這麼多的案件通通發生在回復部每一個案件我們都是正面去面對正面去解決\n\n04:12.213 --> 04:36.918\n我就跟你講嘛,你沒有解決啊!為什麼你的部會發生的問題這麼多呢?其他部會怎麼沒有那麼多問題呢?你還能夠強辯?不能怪你嗎?怪我嗎?怪這些死掉的兒童嗎?怪這些受害的這些未成年嗎?怪這些因為食案問題而死亡或在家或病房的人嗎?你講話有人性嗎?不能怪你,怪誰呢?\n\n04:37.967 --> 04:52.998\n我說沒有辦法去怪說哪一個部會的,這一個每一個案件會出來的時間會聚集在一起,這個並不是說我們去...這樣這是偶然,會聚集起來是偶然,不是必然,不是因為你領導的衛福部的關係\n\n04:57.621 --> 05:12.216\n為什麼會有這樣系統問題我告訴你現在系統性的問題不是只有食安是在你薛瑞元領導的衛福部出現了系統性的問題啊你到現在還不願意跟社會大眾道歉我真的覺得你不知道哪來的底氣啊\n\n05:13.888 --> 05:28.001\n真的太離譜哪裡有一個部會可以出這麼多的包出不完欸而且到現在為止沒有解決問題啊我要問什麼問不完啊給我們每一個委員兩個小時都問不完通通沒有答案嘛\n\n05:30.781 --> 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薛部長。好,請薛部長。"},{"start":19.571,"end":47.034,"text":"部長從我們立法院開議以來我們衛福部應該是所有部會裡面爭議最多出包最多的一個部會我們在衛環裡面已經開了好幾次的專案報告從食安問題瘦肉精蘇丹紅小林紅渠到最近的保齡事件"},{"start":49.008,"end":62.286,"text":"一件比一件大然後還有很多到目前為止根本沒有辦法遏止即便是說已經是系統系問題你們說會解決結果又出現新的案例比如說蘇丹紅"},{"start":64.261,"end":79.602,"text":"比如說小林紅麴我記得當時我也在這邊詢問你可不可以協助我們受害的消費者能夠去求償我看到你們4月10號公布啦公布之後我不看看不出來有什麼協助"},{"start":81.277,"end":98.469,"text":"我們能夠跟日本廠商求償嗎?你們只是提供小林製藥的一個客服專線所以怎麼樣還是要我們的消費者可能受害要洗腎的這些消費者他們自己單獨的去跟日本小林製藥去單打獨鬥嗎?更不要說保齡這件事情引起國民這麼大的恐慌結果現在變成一個世紀懸案"},{"start":109.707,"end":130.857,"text":"除了食安問題還有這個虐兒致死的問題好像這個新聞過去大家就不討論了可是這樣的傷痛這樣的一個問題仍然存在啊那今天開始討論我們未成年性剝削這些性影像的問題"},{"start":132.341,"end":157.2,"text":"所以部長我如果說的好聽一點說你流年不利可能沒有安泰稅是不是哪有一個不會有可以出現這麼大的問題我說的難聽一點是不是在你領導之下我們衛福部整個螺絲鬆掉了怎麼可能連續發生這麼多的重大事件一個一個燒不完呢"},{"start":158.43,"end":165.079,"text":"如果回過頭去,剛好我們不講,連蘇丹紅又出現新的案例啊。保齡還是沒有辦法給我們一個答案啊。"},{"start":166.815,"end":192.27,"text":"所以這樣子的問題說實在因為現在接近520交接叫你現在下台也沒有什麼意義可是終究做一天和尚轉一天中我們真的很擔心如果按照這樣的一個這樣子發展的話我們會不會再有什麼樣的讓我們社會不可承受之重的這些社會案件、食安案件這些兒童保護的案件繼續發生"},{"start":194.051,"end":203.569,"text":"所以部長你要不要對社會大眾道歉啊我知道你有很多對個案道歉可是有這麼多事件要是我都覺得很不好意思欸"},{"start":205.499,"end":224.898,"text":"你自己心裡作何感想每一個案件他都有這個一些問題存在這是沒有錯那我們是每一個案件問對問題去解決問題有解決嗎當然是有部分的解決有些事還在解決沒辦法解決我剛剛講了哪幾個解決了嗎你告訴我"},{"start":227.981,"end":251.237,"text":"蘇丹宏的案件的話最近出來的那個是最收尾的也就是在我們全面的邊境管制還在收尾那時候跟我們講說不會再發生我們在邊境管制全面的邊境管制之前好啦我時間有限我現在覺得你應該鄭重跟社會道歉啊我剛講這麼多的案件通通發生在回復部每一個案件我們都是正面去面對正面去解決"},{"start":252.213,"end":276.918,"text":"我就跟你講嘛,你沒有解決啊!為什麼你的部會發生的問題這麼多呢?其他部會怎麼沒有那麼多問題呢?你還能夠強辯?不能怪你嗎?怪我嗎?怪這些死掉的兒童嗎?怪這些受害的這些未成年嗎?怪這些因為食案問題而死亡或在家或病房的人嗎?你講話有人性嗎?不能怪你,怪誰呢?"},{"start":277.967,"end":292.998,"text":"我說沒有辦法去怪說哪一個部會的,這一個每一個案件會出來的時間會聚集在一起,這個並不是說我們去...這樣這是偶然,會聚集起來是偶然,不是必然,不是因為你領導的衛福部的關係"},{"start":297.621,"end":312.216,"text":"為什麼會有這樣系統問題我告訴你現在系統性的問題不是只有食安是在你薛瑞元領導的衛福部出現了系統性的問題啊你到現在還不願意跟社會大眾道歉我真的覺得你不知道哪來的底氣啊"},{"start":313.888,"end":328.001,"text":"真的太離譜 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