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00:01:29,239\n因為各部會還在統計中所以工程會是基於說收容各部會的資料那我大概說明一下比較清楚的明確的部分除了剛剛部長有講到的國家公園的部分然後大概有10億然後現在環境部比較確定的部分大概有\n\n4\n00:01:35,230 --> 00:01:45,225\n7,500,900,大概有1,000億,那……7,000萬。主席,可不可以時間先暫停一下,先讓他先把這個數字先釐清出來之後,這個沒有人問嗎?這是災損。\n\n5\n00:01:47,088 --> 00:02:10,185\n因為上禮拜五的部分跟各部會收集資料所以目前各部會還在陸陸續續送到行政院災防辦那我們是從災防辦那邊再收容大概會有個數字出來我想了解說這個0403大地震之後災損的部分各部會都有夜館大概給我們一個粗略的數字出來吧\n\n6\n00:02:10,785 --> 00:02:33,870\n是委員你在講的可能是好幾個階段因為今天其實很多委員也在關心因為從一開始的緊急的搶救災到現在目前這個階段是安置所以我們會就現在安置的這個經費我們大概會做一個估算比如說像我們的內政部在做安置還有包括利息補貼的部分我們大概框了14億我們大概框了14億\n\n7\n00:02:34,790 --> 00:03:00,058\n那接下來下一個階段才是復原重建所以委員關心的可能是在復原重建的這一段那當然就是說我是想先了解就是說比如說這次地震大概災損是多少然後呢這個政府大概編列了多少預算來這一個比如說不管是這一個安置或是說這個災後的復興那又是另外一個階段那加上還有這個民間的這個善款也都有嘛所以我想\n\n8\n00:03:00,638 --> 00:03:18,889\n想瞭解一些說那大概是到目前為止在損失多少?可是看起來沒有那個……沒有我真的報告對不起因為上個禮拜五副院長開了會我跟你報告我們自己國土署今天跟明天的估出來的經費其實就不一樣而且差蠻多的\n\n9\n00:03:19,609 --> 00:03:44,439\n這個我就是在一開始我也跟很多委員報告因為這個進到有進到災區去了解去看因為他要必須要限地去做勘察我們的國土署的署長在這邊其實他明天他就要這個率領著我們的相關的同仁進到災區的更我了解了才會比較清楚0403到現在其實也大概十幾天了那其實\n\n10\n00:03:45,839 --> 00:04:02,187\n當然災害損害每天都會有改變大概不會變化太多所以我才想了解一下說這個災損的情況是怎麼樣那接下來才會談說這一個比如說內政部的部分的話那你們這個災後的復建那你們大概是有多少錢要來投入那要做什麼樣的事情那先簡單報告一下\n\n11\n00:04:04,128 --> 00:04:25,117\n剛剛講過我們在這個利息補貼還有包括災民的一個住宅的安置的部分我們是匡列14億那這14億要做什麼這14億就是災民的一個安置包括他未來的利息的一個補貼等等那現在比如說現在有些居民還需要組合屋那這個也是從你們這邊預算下去的嗎\n\n12\n00:04:25,857 --> 00:04:47,098\n我們在提供的是一個多元居住的方案比如說他要去一清我們就有租屋的一個補貼如果他要去租房子或者是我們自己租房子來給他們住那這部分我們會有相關的一個支出那最後最後呢如果剛剛在講的前三種方案民眾都不喜歡\n\n13\n00:04:47,799 --> 00:05:12,568\n那最後花園縣政府有提出來要蓋組合屋這個我們也都支持不過到目前為止花園縣政府還沒有調查出來災民的實際上他的意願到底是什麼就算要蓋組合屋他也必須要提出一個計畫也必須要提出一個數量中央才有辦法來給予協助那現在大概需要用到這一些的災民大概有多少你們有統計出來嗎\n\n14\n00:05:14,817 --> 00:05:39,758\n你所謂的災民是有住屋的需求有住屋的需求或是有組合屋的需求現在還不知道因為我剛剛有講過花園縣政府還沒有就是說這一部分的災民的意願調查現在還沒有提到那花園縣政府有在做嗎當然有因為每天他都在處理這個事情\n\n15\n00:05:41,179 --> 00:06:00,742\n就是問到現在我還是不知道說大概整個這個比如說需要有多少人那需要這個比如說內政部的這一些不管是租屋的補助也好或是說住屋的補助的也好所以我們剛剛跟你講說我們是一我們手上有的資料然後我們這個做一個估算\n\n16\n00:06:01,603 --> 00:06:16,679\n匡列了14億然後我們把計畫送到行政院那院應該是這個禮拜會做這個合訂這個是在我們這個內政部的住宅的這個補貼跟這個災民的住宅的需求的部分\n\n17\n00:06:17,499 --> 00:06:31,151\n那所以就是說那個0403地震那我們這一個行政院這個比照過去正在的一個模式那整個整個這個方案的這個預算大概何時會核定出來勒\n\n18\n00:06:33,154 --> 00:06:58,747\n內政部我們自己的住宅的部分那其他各個部會的勒那個就是要我覺得行政院的部分就是大概一個總預算有沒有一個合定的一個時間表出來那就是要各部會要計劃要報過來那時候行政院沒有立立一個時間嗎上個禮拜副院長開會的時候請副主席講\n\n19\n00:07:02,622 --> 00:07:02,823\n請副主計長謝謝\n\n20\n00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:27,867\n跟我們報告現在就是說雞肉們每個禮拜都一直滾動在檢討那因為就是說有一些部分必須實地去勘查所以就是說為了慎重他就是會一直在滾動檢討我現在一直聽到就是滾動的檢討那這樣子我跟你們報告因為這麼大的災害\n\n21\n00:07:32,148 --> 00:07:53,929\n不可能在這麼短的時間裡面就能夠把這些需要的經費能夠把它完整的估算出來所以這個至少需要一個月的時間至少有個時間表出來啦就是說比如說0403我們可以說一個月之後大概需要多少預算投入來重建我覺得大概有個時間表出來比較\n\n22\n00:07:54,890 --> 00:08:19,725\n比較好跟災民講我們台灣在應變不管是搶救災還有包括現在在做後續的安置我們的速度應該都是全世界最快的我想這一點是可以讓國人同胞知道那那請教一下齁這個倒塌的這個天王星齁然後還有這個過去的圍觀齁都是黃丹的大樓啦齁那你們有統計就是說在這個黃丹的這個黃丹對全台灣齁有79件紅丹有49件齁那這個\n\n23\n00:08:23,307 --> 00:08:49,384\n這個有沒有要列入這個都更的一個範圍就是看後續紅單的部分基本上它就是要做強制的一個補強或者說它就要做拆除但後續民眾也是要做醫院調查因為有的民眾他可能會選擇我就是拿了一筆振助金我就離開然後趕快展開重新的生活\n\n24\n00:08:49,944 --> 00:09:08,397\n另外一種就是他希望要參與現地的重建那最好的狀況當然就是說全部的災民全部都離開然後這個我們把房地架構之後由政府來進行比如說公辦的都更或者是把它拿來做社會的住宅\n\n25\n00:09:08,877 --> 00:09:19,534\n或做其他公益的使用。」這個要先進行災民的意願調查,然後續舊的研發。那這個重單就49件,可以給本席資料就是說,這個目前的處理的情況怎麼樣嗎?\n\n26\n00:09:21,309 --> 00:09:46,248\n這部分是地方政府一案一案在做這個調查那你們這邊手邊有沒有資料沒有這個還需要時間因為災我跟大家報告因為災難現在災害才剛發生很亂你現在問他說你要留下來還是你要離開我不是指這個花蓮這個我是說全台灣的49件的這個紅單的這個大部分都在花蓮都在花蓮大部分都在花蓮那黃單呢那黃單79件勒\n\n27\n00:09:47,549 --> 00:09:56,806\n也大部分在花蓮都在花蓮大部分在花蓮有一部分在新北在土城我是說除了花蓮之外的\n\n28\n00:09:58,483 --> 00:10:19,471\n新北跟桃園那至少給我們一下就是說如果說花蓮現在的情況比較混亂那至少給我們一下就是說在黃丹的部分還有紅丹的部分的話在這一個花蓮以外的其他的縣市現在的處理的進度是怎麼樣其實也是一樣的他必須要縣市政府去跟災民每一戶每一戶每一戶\n\n29\n00:10:20,251 --> 00:10:20,791\n去了解\n\n30\n00:10:51,393 --> 00:11:03,927\n相關新聞有看到因為這個東西也會不管是因為就經過那邊的這個居民也會有心理上面也會受到影響那我不知道說這個訊息到底是為真還是為假\n\n31\n00:11:10,632 --> 00:11:32,018\n這個斷層的資料當然是經濟部的資料地礦中心的一個資料不過其實應該是要這樣的一個訊息其實目的是要去強化或者是提醒民眾對於自己所在居住的這個地方有這樣子的一個課題所以也提醒他們去注意這一部分的安全\n\n32\n00:11:32,418 --> 00:11:52,825\n坤城委員,非常謝謝部長、行政部長還有副主計長的說明也跟坤城委員提一下我臨時提案第8案有請我們的內政部在一周內要單一的窗口來服務我們的災民然後還有第二個是臨時提案11案因為這個地震頻傳還餘震蠻多的\n\n33\n00:11:55,146 --> 00:12:17,540\n那他們本來是在5月6號前要完整復建的經費需求報行政院但今天臨時提案有通過就是因為我們地方上其實還沒有辦法完整是希望他們再延後時間所以您可能要的具體的資料還有數據可能還沒那麼快好謝謝您我們也在盯這個進度謝謝您的關心\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4673\t7895\t謝謝主席我們請林部長請林部長部長好辛苦了本席先請教一下部長這次這個0403的這個大地震那在花蓮的這個地震在方面這個大概災損有多少你們大概估計出來了嗎各部會再統計有沒有大概一個初步的數字出來\n32945\t52114\t目前因為上禮拜剛開完之後其實這個每一天都在變化那上禮拜開會的結果勒我是不是請工程會請工程會就是說大概到上禮拜好我們今天也有邀請到公共工程委員會的技術處的處長就是說這個0403大地震之後大概現在的災損是多少\n65379\t89239\t因為各部會還在統計中所以工程會是基於說收容各部會的資料那我大概說明一下比較清楚的明確的部分除了剛剛部長有講到的國家公園的部分然後大概有10億然後現在環境部比較確定的部分大概有\n95230\t105225\t7,500,900,大概有1,000億,那……7,000萬。主席,可不可以時間先暫停一下,先讓他先把這個數字先釐清出來之後,這個沒有人問嗎?這是災損。\n107088\t130185\t因為上禮拜五的部分跟各部會收集資料所以目前各部會還在陸陸續續送到行政院災防辦那我們是從災防辦那邊再收容大概會有個數字出來我想了解說這個0403大地震之後災損的部分各部會都有夜館大概給我們一個粗略的數字出來吧\n130785\t153870\t是委員你在講的可能是好幾個階段因為今天其實很多委員也在關心因為從一開始的緊急的搶救災到現在目前這個階段是安置所以我們會就現在安置的這個經費我們大概會做一個估算比如說像我們的內政部在做安置還有包括利息補貼的部分我們大概框了14億我們大概框了14億\n154790\t180058\t那接下來下一個階段才是復原重建所以委員關心的可能是在復原重建的這一段那當然就是說我是想先了解就是說比如說這次地震大概災損是多少然後呢這個政府大概編列了多少預算來這一個比如說不管是這一個安置或是說這個災後的復興那又是另外一個階段那加上還有這個民間的這個善款也都有嘛所以我想\n180638\t198889\t想瞭解一些說那大概是到目前為止在損失多少?可是看起來沒有那個……沒有我真的報告對不起因為上個禮拜五副院長開了會我跟你報告我們自己國土署今天跟明天的估出來的經費其實就不一樣而且差蠻多的\n199609\t224439\t這個我就是在一開始我也跟很多委員報告因為這個進到有進到災區去了解去看因為他要必須要限地去做勘察我們的國土署的署長在這邊其實他明天他就要這個率領著我們的相關的同仁進到災區的更我了解了才會比較清楚0403到現在其實也大概十幾天了那其實\n225839\t242187\t當然災害損害每天都會有改變大概不會變化太多所以我才想了解一下說這個災損的情況是怎麼樣那接下來才會談說這一個比如說內政部的部分的話那你們這個災後的復建那你們大概是有多少錢要來投入那要做什麼樣的事情那先簡單報告一下\n244128\t265117\t剛剛講過我們在這個利息補貼還有包括災民的一個住宅的安置的部分我們是匡列14億那這14億要做什麼這14億就是災民的一個安置包括他未來的利息的一個補貼等等那現在比如說現在有些居民還需要組合屋那這個也是從你們這邊預算下去的嗎\n265857\t287098\t我們在提供的是一個多元居住的方案比如說他要去一清我們就有租屋的一個補貼如果他要去租房子或者是我們自己租房子來給他們住那這部分我們會有相關的一個支出那最後最後呢如果剛剛在講的前三種方案民眾都不喜歡\n287799\t312568\t那最後花園縣政府有提出來要蓋組合屋這個我們也都支持不過到目前為止花園縣政府還沒有調查出來災民的實際上他的意願到底是什麼就算要蓋組合屋他也必須要提出一個計畫也必須要提出一個數量中央才有辦法來給予協助那現在大概需要用到這一些的災民大概有多少你們有統計出來嗎\n314817\t339758\t你所謂的災民是有住屋的需求有住屋的需求或是有組合屋的需求現在還不知道因為我剛剛有講過花園縣政府還沒有就是說這一部分的災民的意願調查現在還沒有提到那花園縣政府有在做嗎當然有因為每天他都在處理這個事情\n341179\t360742\t就是問到現在我還是不知道說大概整個這個比如說需要有多少人那需要這個比如說內政部的這一些不管是租屋的補助也好或是說住屋的補助的也好所以我們剛剛跟你講說我們是一我們手上有的資料然後我們這個做一個估算\n361603\t376679\t匡列了14億然後我們把計畫送到行政院那院應該是這個禮拜會做這個合訂這個是在我們這個內政部的住宅的這個補貼跟這個災民的住宅的需求的部分\n377499\t391151\t那所以就是說那個0403地震那我們這一個行政院這個比照過去正在的一個模式那整個整個這個方案的這個預算大概何時會核定出來勒\n393154\t418747\t內政部我們自己的住宅的部分那其他各個部會的勒那個就是要我覺得行政院的部分就是大概一個總預算有沒有一個合定的一個時間表出來那就是要各部會要計劃要報過來那時候行政院沒有立立一個時間嗎上個禮拜副院長開會的時候請副主席講\n422622\t422823\t請副主計長謝謝\n427320\t447867\t跟我們報告現在就是說雞肉們每個禮拜都一直滾動在檢討那因為就是說有一些部分必須實地去勘查所以就是說為了慎重他就是會一直在滾動檢討我現在一直聽到就是滾動的檢討那這樣子我跟你們報告因為這麼大的災害\n452148\t473929\t不可能在這麼短的時間裡面就能夠把這些需要的經費能夠把它完整的估算出來所以這個至少需要一個月的時間至少有個時間表出來啦就是說比如說0403我們可以說一個月之後大概需要多少預算投入來重建我覺得大概有個時間表出來比較\n474890\t499725\t比較好跟災民講我們台灣在應變不管是搶救災還有包括現在在做後續的安置我們的速度應該都是全世界最快的我想這一點是可以讓國人同胞知道那那請教一下齁這個倒塌的這個天王星齁然後還有這個過去的圍觀齁都是黃丹的大樓啦齁那你們有統計就是說在這個黃丹的這個黃丹對全台灣齁有79件紅丹有49件齁那這個\n503307\t529384\t這個有沒有要列入這個都更的一個範圍就是看後續紅單的部分基本上它就是要做強制的一個補強或者說它就要做拆除但後續民眾也是要做醫院調查因為有的民眾他可能會選擇我就是拿了一筆振助金我就離開然後趕快展開重新的生活\n529944\t548397\t另外一種就是他希望要參與現地的重建那最好的狀況當然就是說全部的災民全部都離開然後這個我們把房地架構之後由政府來進行比如說公辦的都更或者是把它拿來做社會的住宅\n548877\t559534\t或做其他公益的使用。」這個要先進行災民的意願調查,然後續舊的研發。那這個重單就49件,可以給本席資料就是說,這個目前的處理的情況怎麼樣嗎?\n561309\t586248\t這部分是地方政府一案一案在做這個調查那你們這邊手邊有沒有資料沒有 這個還需要時間因為災我跟大家報告因為災難現在災害才剛發生很亂你現在問他說你要留下來還是你要離開我不是指這個花蓮這個我是說全台灣的49件的這個紅單的這個大部分都在花蓮都在花蓮大部分都在花蓮那黃單呢那黃單79件勒\n587549\t596806\t也大部分在花蓮都在花蓮大部分在花蓮有一部分在新北在土城我是說除了花蓮之外的\n598483\t619471\t新北跟桃園那至少給我們一下就是說如果說花蓮現在的情況比較混亂那至少給我們一下就是說在黃丹的部分還有紅丹的部分的話在這一個花蓮以外的其他的縣市現在的處理的進度是怎麼樣其實也是一樣的他必須要縣市政府去跟災民每一戶每一戶每一戶\n620251\t620791\t去 了解\n651393\t663927\t相關新聞有看到因為這個東西也會不管是因為就經過那邊的這個居民也會有心理上面也會受到影響那我不知道說這個訊息到底是為真還是為假\n670632\t692018\t這個斷層的資料當然是經濟部的資料地礦中心的一個資料不過其實應該是要這樣的一個訊息其實目的是要去強化或者是提醒民眾對於自己所在居住的這個地方有這樣子的一個課題所以也提醒他們去注意這一部分的安全\n692418\t712825\t坤城委員,非常謝謝部長、行政部長還有副主計長的說明也跟坤城委員提一下我臨時提案第8案有請我們的內政部在一周內要單一的窗口來服務我們的災民然後還有第二個是臨時提案11案因為這個地震頻傳還餘震蠻多的\n715146\t737540\t那他們本來是在5月6號前要完整復建的經費需求報行政院但今天臨時提案有通過就是因為我們地方上其實還沒有辦法完整是希望他們再延後時間所以您可能要的具體的資料還有數據可能還沒那麼快好 謝謝您我們也在盯這個進度謝謝您的關心\n","txt":"謝謝主席我們請林部長請林部長部長好辛苦了本席先請教一下部長這次這個0403的這個大地震那在花蓮的這個地震在方面這個大概災損有多少你們大概估計出來了嗎各部會再統計有沒有大概一個初步的數字出來\n目前因為上禮拜剛開完之後其實這個每一天都在變化那上禮拜開會的結果勒我是不是請工程會請工程會就是說大概到上禮拜好我們今天也有邀請到公共工程委員會的技術處的處長就是說這個0403大地震之後大概現在的災損是多少\n因為各部會還在統計中所以工程會是基於說收容各部會的資料那我大概說明一下比較清楚的明確的部分除了剛剛部長有講到的國家公園的部分然後大概有10億然後現在環境部比較確定的部分大概有\n7,500,900,大概有1,000億,那……7,000萬。主席,可不可以時間先暫停一下,先讓他先把這個數字先釐清出來之後,這個沒有人問嗎?這是災損。\n因為上禮拜五的部分跟各部會收集資料所以目前各部會還在陸陸續續送到行政院災防辦那我們是從災防辦那邊再收容大概會有個數字出來我想了解說這個0403大地震之後災損的部分各部會都有夜館大概給我們一個粗略的數字出來吧\n是委員你在講的可能是好幾個階段因為今天其實很多委員也在關心因為從一開始的緊急的搶救災到現在目前這個階段是安置所以我們會就現在安置的這個經費我們大概會做一個估算比如說像我們的內政部在做安置還有包括利息補貼的部分我們大概框了14億我們大概框了14億\n那接下來下一個階段才是復原重建所以委員關心的可能是在復原重建的這一段那當然就是說我是想先了解就是說比如說這次地震大概災損是多少然後呢這個政府大概編列了多少預算來這一個比如說不管是這一個安置或是說這個災後的復興那又是另外一個階段那加上還有這個民間的這個善款也都有嘛所以我想\n想瞭解一些說那大概是到目前為止在損失多少?可是看起來沒有那個……沒有我真的報告對不起因為上個禮拜五副院長開了會我跟你報告我們自己國土署今天跟明天的估出來的經費其實就不一樣而且差蠻多的\n這個我就是在一開始我也跟很多委員報告因為這個進到有進到災區去了解去看因為他要必須要限地去做勘察我們的國土署的署長在這邊其實他明天他就要這個率領著我們的相關的同仁進到災區的更我了解了才會比較清楚0403到現在其實也大概十幾天了那其實\n當然災害損害每天都會有改變大概不會變化太多所以我才想了解一下說這個災損的情況是怎麼樣那接下來才會談說這一個比如說內政部的部分的話那你們這個災後的復建那你們大概是有多少錢要來投入那要做什麼樣的事情那先簡單報告一下\n剛剛講過我們在這個利息補貼還有包括災民的一個住宅的安置的部分我們是匡列14億那這14億要做什麼這14億就是災民的一個安置包括他未來的利息的一個補貼等等那現在比如說現在有些居民還需要組合屋那這個也是從你們這邊預算下去的嗎\n我們在提供的是一個多元居住的方案比如說他要去一清我們就有租屋的一個補貼如果他要去租房子或者是我們自己租房子來給他們住那這部分我們會有相關的一個支出那最後最後呢如果剛剛在講的前三種方案民眾都不喜歡\n那最後花園縣政府有提出來要蓋組合屋這個我們也都支持不過到目前為止花園縣政府還沒有調查出來災民的實際上他的意願到底是什麼就算要蓋組合屋他也必須要提出一個計畫也必須要提出一個數量中央才有辦法來給予協助那現在大概需要用到這一些的災民大概有多少你們有統計出來嗎\n你所謂的災民是有住屋的需求有住屋的需求或是有組合屋的需求現在還不知道因為我剛剛有講過花園縣政府還沒有就是說這一部分的災民的意願調查現在還沒有提到那花園縣政府有在做嗎當然有因為每天他都在處理這個事情\n就是問到現在我還是不知道說大概整個這個比如說需要有多少人那需要這個比如說內政部的這一些不管是租屋的補助也好或是說住屋的補助的也好所以我們剛剛跟你講說我們是一我們手上有的資料然後我們這個做一個估算\n匡列了14億然後我們把計畫送到行政院那院應該是這個禮拜會做這個合訂這個是在我們這個內政部的住宅的這個補貼跟這個災民的住宅的需求的部分\n那所以就是說那個0403地震那我們這一個行政院這個比照過去正在的一個模式那整個整個這個方案的這個預算大概何時會核定出來勒\n內政部我們自己的住宅的部分那其他各個部會的勒那個就是要我覺得行政院的部分就是大概一個總預算有沒有一個合定的一個時間表出來那就是要各部會要計劃要報過來那時候行政院沒有立立一個時間嗎上個禮拜副院長開會的時候請副主席講\n請副主計長謝謝\n跟我們報告現在就是說雞肉們每個禮拜都一直滾動在檢討那因為就是說有一些部分必須實地去勘查所以就是說為了慎重他就是會一直在滾動檢討我現在一直聽到就是滾動的檢討那這樣子我跟你們報告因為這麼大的災害\n不可能在這麼短的時間裡面就能夠把這些需要的經費能夠把它完整的估算出來所以這個至少需要一個月的時間至少有個時間表出來啦就是說比如說0403我們可以說一個月之後大概需要多少預算投入來重建我覺得大概有個時間表出來比較\n比較好跟災民講我們台灣在應變不管是搶救災還有包括現在在做後續的安置我們的速度應該都是全世界最快的我想這一點是可以讓國人同胞知道那那請教一下齁這個倒塌的這個天王星齁然後還有這個過去的圍觀齁都是黃丹的大樓啦齁那你們有統計就是說在這個黃丹的這個黃丹對全台灣齁有79件紅丹有49件齁那這個\n這個有沒有要列入這個都更的一個範圍就是看後續紅單的部分基本上它就是要做強制的一個補強或者說它就要做拆除但後續民眾也是要做醫院調查因為有的民眾他可能會選擇我就是拿了一筆振助金我就離開然後趕快展開重新的生活\n另外一種就是他希望要參與現地的重建那最好的狀況當然就是說全部的災民全部都離開然後這個我們把房地架構之後由政府來進行比如說公辦的都更或者是把它拿來做社會的住宅\n或做其他公益的使用。」這個要先進行災民的意願調查,然後續舊的研發。那這個重單就49件,可以給本席資料就是說,這個目前的處理的情況怎麼樣嗎?\n這部分是地方政府一案一案在做這個調查那你們這邊手邊有沒有資料沒有 這個還需要時間因為災我跟大家報告因為災難現在災害才剛發生很亂你現在問他說你要留下來還是你要離開我不是指這個花蓮這個我是說全台灣的49件的這個紅單的這個大部分都在花蓮都在花蓮大部分都在花蓮那黃單呢那黃單79件勒\n也大部分在花蓮都在花蓮大部分在花蓮有一部分在新北在土城我是說除了花蓮之外的\n新北跟桃園那至少給我們一下就是說如果說花蓮現在的情況比較混亂那至少給我們一下就是說在黃丹的部分還有紅丹的部分的話在這一個花蓮以外的其他的縣市現在的處理的進度是怎麼樣其實也是一樣的他必須要縣市政府去跟災民每一戶每一戶每一戶\n去 了解\n相關新聞有看到因為這個東西也會不管是因為就經過那邊的這個居民也會有心理上面也會受到影響那我不知道說這個訊息到底是為真還是為假\n這個斷層的資料當然是經濟部的資料地礦中心的一個資料不過其實應該是要這樣的一個訊息其實目的是要去強化或者是提醒民眾對於自己所在居住的這個地方有這樣子的一個課題所以也提醒他們去注意這一部分的安全\n坤城委員,非常謝謝部長、行政部長還有副主計長的說明也跟坤城委員提一下我臨時提案第8案有請我們的內政部在一周內要單一的窗口來服務我們的災民然後還有第二個是臨時提案11案因為這個地震頻傳還餘震蠻多的\n那他們本來是在5月6號前要完整復建的經費需求報行政院但今天臨時提案有通過就是因為我們地方上其實還沒有辦法完整是希望他們再延後時間所以您可能要的具體的資料還有數據可能還沒那麼快好 謝謝您我們也在盯這個進度謝謝您的關心\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.673 --> 00:07.895\n謝謝主席我們請林部長請林部長部長好辛苦了本席先請教一下部長這次這個0403的這個大地震那在花蓮的這個地震在方面這個大概災損有多少你們大概估計出來了嗎各部會再統計有沒有大概一個初步的數字出來\n\n00:32.945 --> 00:52.114\n目前因為上禮拜剛開完之後其實這個每一天都在變化那上禮拜開會的結果勒我是不是請工程會請工程會就是說大概到上禮拜好我們今天也有邀請到公共工程委員會的技術處的處長就是說這個0403大地震之後大概現在的災損是多少\n\n01:05.379 --> 01:29.239\n因為各部會還在統計中所以工程會是基於說收容各部會的資料那我大概說明一下比較清楚的明確的部分除了剛剛部長有講到的國家公園的部分然後大概有10億然後現在環境部比較確定的部分大概有\n\n01:35.230 --> 01:45.225\n7,500,900,大概有1,000億,那……7,000萬。主席,可不可以時間先暫停一下,先讓他先把這個數字先釐清出來之後,這個沒有人問嗎?這是災損。\n\n01:47.088 --> 02:10.185\n因為上禮拜五的部分跟各部會收集資料所以目前各部會還在陸陸續續送到行政院災防辦那我們是從災防辦那邊再收容大概會有個數字出來我想了解說這個0403大地震之後災損的部分各部會都有夜館大概給我們一個粗略的數字出來吧\n\n02:10.785 --> 02:33.870\n是委員你在講的可能是好幾個階段因為今天其實很多委員也在關心因為從一開始的緊急的搶救災到現在目前這個階段是安置所以我們會就現在安置的這個經費我們大概會做一個估算比如說像我們的內政部在做安置還有包括利息補貼的部分我們大概框了14億我們大概框了14億\n\n02:34.790 --> 03:00.058\n那接下來下一個階段才是復原重建所以委員關心的可能是在復原重建的這一段那當然就是說我是想先了解就是說比如說這次地震大概災損是多少然後呢這個政府大概編列了多少預算來這一個比如說不管是這一個安置或是說這個災後的復興那又是另外一個階段那加上還有這個民間的這個善款也都有嘛所以我想\n\n03:00.638 --> 03:18.889\n想瞭解一些說那大概是到目前為止在損失多少?可是看起來沒有那個……沒有我真的報告對不起因為上個禮拜五副院長開了會我跟你報告我們自己國土署今天跟明天的估出來的經費其實就不一樣而且差蠻多的\n\n03:19.609 --> 03:44.439\n這個我就是在一開始我也跟很多委員報告因為這個進到有進到災區去了解去看因為他要必須要限地去做勘察我們的國土署的署長在這邊其實他明天他就要這個率領著我們的相關的同仁進到災區的更我了解了才會比較清楚0403到現在其實也大概十幾天了那其實\n\n03:45.839 --> 04:02.187\n當然災害損害每天都會有改變大概不會變化太多所以我才想了解一下說這個災損的情況是怎麼樣那接下來才會談說這一個比如說內政部的部分的話那你們這個災後的復建那你們大概是有多少錢要來投入那要做什麼樣的事情那先簡單報告一下\n\n04:04.128 --> 04:25.117\n剛剛講過我們在這個利息補貼還有包括災民的一個住宅的安置的部分我們是匡列14億那這14億要做什麼這14億就是災民的一個安置包括他未來的利息的一個補貼等等那現在比如說現在有些居民還需要組合屋那這個也是從你們這邊預算下去的嗎\n\n04:25.857 --> 04:47.098\n我們在提供的是一個多元居住的方案比如說他要去一清我們就有租屋的一個補貼如果他要去租房子或者是我們自己租房子來給他們住那這部分我們會有相關的一個支出那最後最後呢如果剛剛在講的前三種方案民眾都不喜歡\n\n04:47.799 --> 05:12.568\n那最後花園縣政府有提出來要蓋組合屋這個我們也都支持不過到目前為止花園縣政府還沒有調查出來災民的實際上他的意願到底是什麼就算要蓋組合屋他也必須要提出一個計畫也必須要提出一個數量中央才有辦法來給予協助那現在大概需要用到這一些的災民大概有多少你們有統計出來嗎\n\n05:14.817 --> 05:39.758\n你所謂的災民是有住屋的需求有住屋的需求或是有組合屋的需求現在還不知道因為我剛剛有講過花園縣政府還沒有就是說這一部分的災民的意願調查現在還沒有提到那花園縣政府有在做嗎當然有因為每天他都在處理這個事情\n\n05:41.179 --> 06:00.742\n就是問到現在我還是不知道說大概整個這個比如說需要有多少人那需要這個比如說內政部的這一些不管是租屋的補助也好或是說住屋的補助的也好所以我們剛剛跟你講說我們是一我們手上有的資料然後我們這個做一個估算\n\n06:01.603 --> 06:16.679\n匡列了14億然後我們把計畫送到行政院那院應該是這個禮拜會做這個合訂這個是在我們這個內政部的住宅的這個補貼跟這個災民的住宅的需求的部分\n\n06:17.499 --> 06:31.151\n那所以就是說那個0403地震那我們這一個行政院這個比照過去正在的一個模式那整個整個這個方案的這個預算大概何時會核定出來勒\n\n06:33.154 --> 06:58.747\n內政部我們自己的住宅的部分那其他各個部會的勒那個就是要我覺得行政院的部分就是大概一個總預算有沒有一個合定的一個時間表出來那就是要各部會要計劃要報過來那時候行政院沒有立立一個時間嗎上個禮拜副院長開會的時候請副主席講\n\n07:02.622 --> 07:02.823\n請副主計長謝謝\n\n07:07.320 --> 07:27.867\n跟我們報告現在就是說雞肉們每個禮拜都一直滾動在檢討那因為就是說有一些部分必須實地去勘查所以就是說為了慎重他就是會一直在滾動檢討我現在一直聽到就是滾動的檢討那這樣子我跟你們報告因為這麼大的災害\n\n07:32.148 --> 07:53.929\n不可能在這麼短的時間裡面就能夠把這些需要的經費能夠把它完整的估算出來所以這個至少需要一個月的時間至少有個時間表出來啦就是說比如說0403我們可以說一個月之後大概需要多少預算投入來重建我覺得大概有個時間表出來比較\n\n07:54.890 --> 08:19.725\n比較好跟災民講我們台灣在應變不管是搶救災還有包括現在在做後續的安置我們的速度應該都是全世界最快的我想這一點是可以讓國人同胞知道那那請教一下齁這個倒塌的這個天王星齁然後還有這個過去的圍觀齁都是黃丹的大樓啦齁那你們有統計就是說在這個黃丹的這個黃丹對全台灣齁有79件紅丹有49件齁那這個\n\n08:23.307 --> 08:49.384\n這個有沒有要列入這個都更的一個範圍就是看後續紅單的部分基本上它就是要做強制的一個補強或者說它就要做拆除但後續民眾也是要做醫院調查因為有的民眾他可能會選擇我就是拿了一筆振助金我就離開然後趕快展開重新的生活\n\n08:49.944 --> 09:08.397\n另外一種就是他希望要參與現地的重建那最好的狀況當然就是說全部的災民全部都離開然後這個我們把房地架構之後由政府來進行比如說公辦的都更或者是把它拿來做社會的住宅\n\n09:08.877 --> 09:19.534\n或做其他公益的使用。」這個要先進行災民的意願調查,然後續舊的研發。那這個重單就49件,可以給本席資料就是說,這個目前的處理的情況怎麼樣嗎?\n\n09:21.309 --> 09:46.248\n這部分是地方政府一案一案在做這個調查那你們這邊手邊有沒有資料沒有這個還需要時間因為災我跟大家報告因為災難現在災害才剛發生很亂你現在問他說你要留下來還是你要離開我不是指這個花蓮這個我是說全台灣的49件的這個紅單的這個大部分都在花蓮都在花蓮大部分都在花蓮那黃單呢那黃單79件勒\n\n09:47.549 --> 09:56.806\n也大部分在花蓮都在花蓮大部分在花蓮有一部分在新北在土城我是說除了花蓮之外的\n\n09:58.483 --> 10:19.471\n新北跟桃園那至少給我們一下就是說如果說花蓮現在的情況比較混亂那至少給我們一下就是說在黃丹的部分還有紅丹的部分的話在這一個花蓮以外的其他的縣市現在的處理的進度是怎麼樣其實也是一樣的他必須要縣市政府去跟災民每一戶每一戶每一戶\n\n10:20.251 --> 10:20.791\n去了解\n\n10:51.393 --> 11:03.927\n相關新聞有看到因為這個東西也會不管是因為就經過那邊的這個居民也會有心理上面也會受到影響那我不知道說這個訊息到底是為真還是為假\n\n11:10.632 --> 11:32.018\n這個斷層的資料當然是經濟部的資料地礦中心的一個資料不過其實應該是要這樣的一個訊息其實目的是要去強化或者是提醒民眾對於自己所在居住的這個地方有這樣子的一個課題所以也提醒他們去注意這一部分的安全\n\n11:32.418 --> 11:52.825\n坤城委員,非常謝謝部長、行政部長還有副主計長的說明也跟坤城委員提一下我臨時提案第8案有請我們的內政部在一周內要單一的窗口來服務我們的災民然後還有第二個是臨時提案11案因為這個地震頻傳還餘震蠻多的\n\n11:55.146 --> 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