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\"zh\"}","srt":"1\n00:00:05,967 --> 00:00:17,555\n好謝謝周委我們先請經濟部商業發展署好經濟部商業發展署今天有來嗎有在後面我們給他一點時間走過來好謝謝我們請署長連署長祖密嗎上面寫署長OK好祖密郭祖密好謝謝\n\n2\n00:00:33,662 --> 00:00:55,917\n你好,我想請教一下在0403地震之後有很多民宅的金屬水塔有毀損的狀況我們看一下這張圖這是花蓮的一家回收場的照片這間回收場光是這幾天就已經收到將近200個破損的水塔\n\n3\n00:00:58,078 --> 00:01:20,440\n那我也接到陳情現在在花蓮根本就是買不到這個家用的水塔那我想要請教一下你們有掌握這樣的情形嗎這個部分的話我們再來了解一下就是所以你就是沒有掌握是這個我們來看一下這個發生地點在什麼地方來就定來去了解這個目前水塔這個需求的情形\n\n4\n00:01:22,269 --> 00:01:44,808\n你們現在才要去了解是有點太慢因為就我們過去以之前不久前的918這個地震來說水塔損壞就是一個很嚴重的問題所以在這一次地震一發生的時候我們辦公室的我們整個的團隊第一件事情就想到有沒有水塔這件事情\n\n5\n00:01:45,928 --> 00:01:59,521\n所以可見你們都沒有記取之前的教訓因為現在公路交通還沒有完全的恢復所以在民生用品的補給上我希望你們要特別的注意就像現在\n\n6\n00:02:00,982 --> 00:02:22,660\n我現在講的這個家用的水塔我不希望因為缺貨的關係有人哄抬價格或者想要在這個時候發國難財所以我要請你們馬上瞭解一下花蓮這個家用水塔的供應與價格的情形然後跟我說明是瞭解那我們即刻來瞭解然後跟委員辦公室這邊做一個回報\n\n7\n00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:31,623\n好那另外一件事呢我也希望因為你們其他同仁沒來我希望你可以把我接下來這個問題帶回去如實轉達那也請他們在一週內書面答覆我\n\n8\n00:02:38,406 --> 00:02:53,529\n那因為簡易自來水的水質很容易受天候的影響那而且這個水質恢復的速度它是比較慢的那我剛剛有舉例兩年前的這個918的地震之後呢我有在大院裡的總質詢那邊有要求希望簡易自來水\n\n9\n00:02:55,431 --> 00:03:23,143\n使用這個減益自來水的部落或村裡可以購置大型公用儲水桶由部落或村裡來維護。」那你們研議的結果呢經濟部告訴我是說竟然我是之前兩年前就質詢就是說竟然是要在明年才有經費可以處理我想這種狀況我是完全沒有辦法接受因為要跟你們講一下你知道一個水塔多少錢嗎\n\n10\n00:03:25,057 --> 00:03:45,165\n想必你也是沒有概念我希望今天回去我質詢完之後你要全部弄清楚而且要知道不管是災害地震或者是風災最重要的就是說在整個這個我們自來水系統還沒有完全建置完成的時候呢水塔就是一個最重要的事情\n\n11\n00:03:46,005 --> 00:04:01,294\n因為假設買一個10噸大的水塔一個也才5萬塊左右那花崗減益這台水差不多總共大概100多處全部買下來也差不多500萬的經費我不相信500萬經濟部會出不起還要東湊西湊湊到明年才會有這個錢\n\n12\n00:04:02,755 --> 00:04:29,321\n這個就是災害發生很緊急要使用的所以應該有很多其他的這個支應的這個預算可以編列不是說還要等你們在那邊不曉得怎麼湊的還要湊到明年喔所以我希望現在可以馬上行動而且要在訊息來之前完成那希望你們在這個下禮拜的時候可以之前可以書面答覆我好不好這個我們待會去\n\n13\n00:04:30,222 --> 00:04:52,103\n那就不要再明年了,因為500萬而已好,謝謝,那你請回座那再來就是請財政部以及交通部財政部代表,然後你是要副稅署嗎?財政部是好,我們的副署長,然後交通部交通部我們請這個交通部綜合規劃司司長\n\n14\n00:04:54,660 --> 00:05:20,432\n在這一次的這個0403的地震當中重創花蓮那我們還有這個連帶台東也是有受到很大的影響特別是觀光的部分那我知道整個災後復原的這個工作還在持續當中所以怎麼振興花蓮、台東的觀光我希望你們要提早做準備之外呢就是我知道現在呢有推出幾項紓困的方案\n\n15\n00:05:21,552 --> 00:05:42,541\n但是有一個紓困的補助我希望可以馬上來盤點研議就是在涉及花蓮臺東的遊覽車業者可以減免他們的燃料稅以及牌照稅因為在地震之後遊覽車業者根本就沒有生意所以希望可以立即提供遊覽車業者可以有最實質的幫助這樣子報告委員我們是不是請公路局林副局長來回答\n\n16\n00:05:52,920 --> 00:06:15,100\n報告委員那因為目前花蓮的災害的部分大車我們就整個蘇澳路廊我們還有一個就是台九的158K的下經稅橋那邊還沒有辦法通大車所以大概只有7公里我們在5月底會完成通車那我們燃料稅的部分是我們交通部主管的\n\n17\n00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:43,203\n那燃料稅因為它是局部的部分而且時間可能就是到午夜底就整個所有的道路全部會通上所以這個部分從921不管是莫拉克921我們都沒有做過減免但是它如果是遊覽車損壞的部分是可以減免的以前沒有減免不代表以後不能減免啊我就要你們回去盤點研議嘛我請你研議你連研議一下你都不願意你就跟我講以前就沒有減免\n\n18\n00:06:44,332 --> 00:06:57,838\n你的腦袋裡面是固定都不會轉的嗎跟委員報告那這個部分我們待會去我們請部裡面再做研議對啊麻煩你們那那個財政部的部分呢複稅署報告這個觀光業的這個減輕負擔部分過去有經驗都是用補助的方式來補助業者的牌照稅減輕業者的負擔\n\n19\n00:07:10,845 --> 00:07:24,796\n好謝謝喔那一些財政部人家都乾脆多了那你就回去研議那什麼時候可以給本席回覆你們研議的狀況跟委員報告那我們一個月內跟委員做報告兩個禮拜好不好好好謝謝謝謝好請回座那接下來請原民會請原民會的劉處長\n\n20\n00:07:36,616 --> 00:07:57,170\n好來原民會我們看一下精彩的部分齁這是你們4月3號公佈的災害救助事項第一項災害救助的部分死亡的認定應該就很清楚沒有沒有什麼問題齁那其他重傷者最高補助三萬還有每人傷亡生活困境家戶每戶最高補助一萬\n\n21\n00:07:58,210 --> 00:08:26,872\n這個怎麼認定?然後曾銘打電話去竟然你們是回覆民眾說配套措施的認定方法還沒有出來這到底是怎麼一回事?請問處長不知道報告委員那個我剛剛有確認過有關這個1萬元部分的話只要公所認定有需求他就報告我們會裡面所以那前面你們說不知道是怎樣我不曉得哪位同仁回覆的我不清楚所以你不知道那位同仁為什麼不知道\n\n22\n00:08:28,012 --> 00:08:51,983\n好那你回去了解一下齁那因為放上去電話號碼就是你等於就是你要有人接聽嘛那有人接聽的那民眾反應也有打電話也有那種打去沒人接的那我剛剛辦公室在上班時間的時候我們剛剛又測試齁也是一樣沒人接啦報委員如果有這種情況我們回去會檢討改進你要不要現在打打看\n\n23\n00:08:53,798 --> 00:09:14,007\n我看不用了會漏氣啦是好是好那我想就時間內點出所有的這些本席關心的問題那希望就是說都可以來回覆有嗎好那我最後請教那個很快的快速的重要那個部長那個邱昌部長因為這個林林部長謝謝\n\n24\n00:09:15,854 --> 00:09:38,616\n因為在許多家園被貼到紅黃單我們都很清楚紅單就是要拆因為今天我要來之前我赫然發現一個新聞就是說有一戶大樓被貼了紅單但是他們是說50%的住戶如果連署通過了同意不拆他就可以不用拆\n\n25\n00:09:39,898 --> 00:10:06,260\n有這樣的事情嗎?聽起來好可怕呀!因為他紅單的話就是要看他當時祭司鑑定的這個狀態他是屬於可以修善或是可以補強或是一定要拆除重建所以是依據這個結果當然如果說今天是可以修善或耐震補強但是住戶如果還是決定要重建那當然我們還是尊重他但是不代表說一定要重建\n\n26\n00:10:07,313 --> 00:10:26,136\n不是沒有是不會說如果那個狀況真的很不好是需要拆除的是然後50%的住戶通過之後他們可以不要拆就補強就好有這種事情嗎並沒有要看最後專家評估的結果是怎麼樣\n\n27\n00:10:26,937 --> 00:10:45,611\n好那我想就做這個釐清齁因為有這個訊息容易讓人家產生誤會委員那個你剛剛關心是應該要從住民跟住宅的安全做最優先的一個考量那這個要專家來做這個建議好安全可能不是投票可以表決的齁好謝謝\n\n28\n00:10:46,496 --> 00:11:14,219\n好,非常謝謝陳議委員的質詢,謝謝部長回應不過梁署長,剛剛要回應你一下,原民會如果那個窗口每次要接電話,你們跟地方政府沒有一個單一窗口,實在是你們沒有那麼樣的人力啦這是我們很理解的部分,所以為什麼剛剛本席一直要求你們一定要跟地方政府的哪一個,或者是原民局處來聯繫,讓原民局處作為第一線第二個部分可能陳議委員要問的是,生活困境是你們怎麼認定\n\n29\n00:11:16,638 --> 00:11:40,035\n所以公所只要報人上你們就付每一個一萬塊是不是所以也是剛剛本席在詢問你們請你們寫清楚好不好對所以所以原民會你們要掌握一下原住民族的族人在災區裡面因為\n\n30\n00:11:41,826 --> 00:11:49,097\n既然你們有這個所謂的災民的補助你們就不應該引起更多的困擾嗎好不好這個部分要提醒你們謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5967\t17555\t好 謝謝周委我們先請經濟部商業發展署好 經濟部商業發展署今天有來嗎 有在後面我們給他一點時間走過來好 謝謝我們請署長 連署長祖密嗎 上面寫署長OK 好 祖密 郭祖密好 謝謝\n33662\t55917\t你好,我想請教一下在0403地震之後有很多民宅的金屬水塔有毀損的狀況我們看一下這張圖這是花蓮的一家回收場的照片這間回收場光是這幾天就已經收到將近200個破損的水塔\n58078\t80440\t那我也接到陳情現在在花蓮根本就是買不到這個家用的水塔那我想要請教一下你們有掌握這樣的情形嗎這個部分的話我們再來了解一下就是所以你就是沒有掌握是這個我們來看一下這個發生地點在什麼地方來就定來去了解這個目前水塔這個需求的情形\n82269\t104808\t你們現在才要去了解是有點太慢因為就我們過去以之前不久前的918這個地震來說水塔損壞就是一個很嚴重的問題所以在這一次地震一發生的時候我們辦公室的我們整個的團隊第一件事情就想到有沒有水塔這件事情\n105928\t119521\t所以可見你們都沒有記取之前的教訓因為現在公路交通還沒有完全的恢復所以在民生用品的補給上我希望你們要特別的注意就像現在\n120982\t142660\t我現在講的這個家用的水塔我不希望因為缺貨的關係有人哄抬價格或者想要在這個時候發國難財所以我要請你們馬上瞭解一下花蓮這個家用水塔的供應與價格的情形然後跟我說明是瞭解那我們即刻來瞭解然後跟委員辦公室這邊做一個回報\n143120\t151623\t好那另外一件事呢我也希望因為你們其他同仁沒來我希望你可以把我接下來這個問題帶回去如實轉達那也請他們在一週內書面答覆我\n158406\t173529\t那因為簡易自來水的水質很容易受天候的影響那而且這個水質恢復的速度它是比較慢的那我剛剛有舉例兩年前的這個918的地震之後呢我有在大院裡的總質詢那邊有要求希望簡易自來水\n175431\t203143\t使用這個減益自來水的部落或村裡可以購置大型公用儲水桶由部落或村裡來維護。」那你們研議的結果呢經濟部告訴我是說竟然我是之前兩年前就質詢就是說竟然是要在明年才有經費可以處理我想這種狀況我是完全沒有辦法接受因為要跟你們講一下你知道一個水塔多少錢嗎\n205057\t225165\t想必你也是沒有概念我希望今天回去我質詢完之後你要全部弄清楚而且要知道不管是災害地震或者是風災最重要的就是說在整個這個我們自來水系統還沒有完全建置完成的時候呢水塔就是一個最重要的事情\n226005\t241294\t因為假設買一個10噸大的水塔一個也才5萬塊左右那花崗減益這台水差不多總共大概100多處全部買下來也差不多500萬的經費我不相信500萬經濟部會出不起還要東湊西湊湊到明年才會有這個錢\n242755\t269321\t這個就是災害發生很緊急要使用的所以應該有很多其他的這個支應的這個預算可以編列不是說還要等你們在那邊不曉得怎麼湊的還要湊到明年喔所以我希望現在可以馬上行動而且要在訊息來之前完成那希望你們在這個下禮拜的時候可以之前可以書面答覆我好不好這個我們待會去\n270222\t292103\t那就不要再明年了,因為500萬而已好,謝謝,那你請回座那再來就是請財政部以及交通部財政部代表,然後你是要副稅署嗎?財政部是好,我們的副署長,然後交通部交通部我們請這個交通部綜合規劃司司長\n294660\t320432\t在這一次的這個0403的地震當中重創花蓮那我們還有這個連帶台東也是有受到很大的影響特別是觀光的部分那我知道整個災後復原的這個工作還在持續當中所以怎麼振興花蓮、台東的觀光我希望你們要提早做準備之外呢就是我知道現在呢有推出幾項紓困的方案\n321552\t342541\t但是有一個紓困的補助我希望可以馬上來盤點研議就是在涉及花蓮臺東的遊覽車業者可以減免他們的燃料稅以及牌照稅因為在地震之後遊覽車業者根本就沒有生意所以希望可以立即提供遊覽車業者可以有最實質的幫助這樣子報告委員我們是不是請公路局林副局長來回答\n352920\t375100\t報告委員那因為目前花蓮的災害的部分大車我們就整個蘇澳路廊我們還有一個就是台九的158K的下經稅橋那邊還沒有辦法通大車所以大概只有7公里我們在5月底會完成通車那我們燃料稅的部分是我們交通部主管的\n375640\t403203\t那燃料稅因為它是局部的部分而且時間可能就是到午夜底就整個所有的道路全部會通上所以這個部分從921不管是莫拉克921我們都沒有做過減免但是它如果是遊覽車損壞的部分是可以減免的以前沒有減免不代表以後不能減免啊我就要你們回去盤點研議嘛我請你研議你連研議一下你都不願意你就跟我講以前就沒有減免\n404332\t417838\t你的腦袋裡面是固定都不會轉的嗎跟委員報告那這個部分我們待會去我們請部裡面再做研議對啊麻煩你們那那個財政部的部分呢複稅署報告這個觀光業的這個減輕負擔部分過去有經驗都是用補助的方式來補助業者的牌照稅減輕業者的負擔\n430845\t444796\t好謝謝喔那一些財政部人家都乾脆多了那你就回去研議那什麼時候可以給本席回覆你們研議的狀況跟委員報告那我們一個月內跟委員做報告兩個禮拜好不好好好謝謝謝謝好請回座那接下來請原民會請原民會的劉處長\n456616\t477170\t好來原民會我們看一下精彩的部分齁這是你們4月3號公佈的災害救助事項第一項災害救助的部分死亡的認定應該就很清楚沒有沒有什麼問題齁那其他重傷者最高補助三萬還有每人傷亡生活困境家戶每戶最高補助一萬\n478210\t506872\t這個怎麼認定?然後曾銘打電話去竟然你們是回覆民眾說配套措施的認定方法還沒有出來這到底是怎麼一回事?請問處長不知道報告委員那個我剛剛有確認過有關這個1萬元部分的話只要公所認定有需求他就報告我們會裡面所以那前面你們說不知道是怎樣我不曉得哪位同仁回覆的我不清楚所以你不知道那位同仁為什麼不知道\n508012\t531983\t好那你回去了解一下齁那因為放上去電話號碼就是你等於就是你要有人接聽嘛那有人接聽的那民眾反應也有打電話也有那種打去沒人接的那我剛剛辦公室在上班時間的時候我們剛剛又測試齁也是一樣沒人接啦報委員如果有這種情況我們回去會檢討改進你要不要現在打打看\n533798\t554007\t我看不用了會漏氣啦是好是好那我想就時間內點出所有的這些本席關心的問題那希望就是說都可以來回覆有嗎好那我最後請教那個很快的快速的重要那個部長那個邱昌部長因為這個林林部長謝謝\n555854\t578616\t因為在許多家園被貼到紅黃單我們都很清楚紅單就是要拆因為今天我要來之前我赫然發現一個新聞就是說有一戶大樓被貼了紅單但是他們是說50%的住戶如果連署通過了同意不拆他就可以不用拆\n579898\t606260\t有這樣的事情嗎?聽起來好可怕呀!因為他紅單的話就是要看他當時祭司鑑定的這個狀態他是屬於可以修善或是可以補強或是一定要拆除重建所以是依據這個結果當然如果說今天是可以修善或耐震補強但是住戶如果還是決定要重建那當然我們還是尊重他但是不代表說一定要重建\n607313\t626136\t不是沒有是不會說如果那個狀況真的很不好是需要拆除的是然後50%的住戶通過之後他們可以不要拆就補強就好有這種事情嗎並沒有要看最後專家評估的結果是怎麼樣\n626937\t645611\t好 那我想就做這個釐清齁因為有這個訊息容易讓人家產生誤會委員 那個你剛剛關心是應該要從住民跟住宅的安全做最優先的一個考量那這個要專家來做這個建議好 安全可能不是投票可以表決的齁好 謝謝\n646496\t674219\t好,非常謝謝陳議委員的質詢,謝謝部長回應不過梁署長,剛剛要回應你一下,原民會如果那個窗口每次要接電話,你們跟地方政府沒有一個單一窗口,實在是你們沒有那麼樣的人力啦這是我們很理解的部分,所以為什麼剛剛本席一直要求你們一定要跟地方政府的哪一個,或者是原民局處來聯繫,讓原民局處作為第一線第二個部分可能陳議委員要問的是,生活困境是你們怎麼認定\n676638\t700035\t所以公所只要報人上你們就付每一個一萬塊是不是所以也是剛剛本席在詢問你們請你們寫清楚好不好對所以所以原民會你們要掌握一下原住民族的族人在災區裡面因為\n701826\t709097\t既然你們有這個所謂的災民的補助你們就不應該引起更多的困擾嗎好不好 這個部分要提醒你們 謝謝\n","txt":"好 謝謝周委我們先請經濟部商業發展署好 經濟部商業發展署今天有來嗎 有在後面我們給他一點時間走過來好 謝謝我們請署長 連署長祖密嗎 上面寫署長OK 好 祖密 郭祖密好 謝謝\n你好,我想請教一下在0403地震之後有很多民宅的金屬水塔有毀損的狀況我們看一下這張圖這是花蓮的一家回收場的照片這間回收場光是這幾天就已經收到將近200個破損的水塔\n那我也接到陳情現在在花蓮根本就是買不到這個家用的水塔那我想要請教一下你們有掌握這樣的情形嗎這個部分的話我們再來了解一下就是所以你就是沒有掌握是這個我們來看一下這個發生地點在什麼地方來就定來去了解這個目前水塔這個需求的情形\n你們現在才要去了解是有點太慢因為就我們過去以之前不久前的918這個地震來說水塔損壞就是一個很嚴重的問題所以在這一次地震一發生的時候我們辦公室的我們整個的團隊第一件事情就想到有沒有水塔這件事情\n所以可見你們都沒有記取之前的教訓因為現在公路交通還沒有完全的恢復所以在民生用品的補給上我希望你們要特別的注意就像現在\n我現在講的這個家用的水塔我不希望因為缺貨的關係有人哄抬價格或者想要在這個時候發國難財所以我要請你們馬上瞭解一下花蓮這個家用水塔的供應與價格的情形然後跟我說明是瞭解那我們即刻來瞭解然後跟委員辦公室這邊做一個回報\n好那另外一件事呢我也希望因為你們其他同仁沒來我希望你可以把我接下來這個問題帶回去如實轉達那也請他們在一週內書面答覆我\n那因為簡易自來水的水質很容易受天候的影響那而且這個水質恢復的速度它是比較慢的那我剛剛有舉例兩年前的這個918的地震之後呢我有在大院裡的總質詢那邊有要求希望簡易自來水\n使用這個減益自來水的部落或村裡可以購置大型公用儲水桶由部落或村裡來維護。」那你們研議的結果呢經濟部告訴我是說竟然我是之前兩年前就質詢就是說竟然是要在明年才有經費可以處理我想這種狀況我是完全沒有辦法接受因為要跟你們講一下你知道一個水塔多少錢嗎\n想必你也是沒有概念我希望今天回去我質詢完之後你要全部弄清楚而且要知道不管是災害地震或者是風災最重要的就是說在整個這個我們自來水系統還沒有完全建置完成的時候呢水塔就是一個最重要的事情\n因為假設買一個10噸大的水塔一個也才5萬塊左右那花崗減益這台水差不多總共大概100多處全部買下來也差不多500萬的經費我不相信500萬經濟部會出不起還要東湊西湊湊到明年才會有這個錢\n這個就是災害發生很緊急要使用的所以應該有很多其他的這個支應的這個預算可以編列不是說還要等你們在那邊不曉得怎麼湊的還要湊到明年喔所以我希望現在可以馬上行動而且要在訊息來之前完成那希望你們在這個下禮拜的時候可以之前可以書面答覆我好不好這個我們待會去\n那就不要再明年了,因為500萬而已好,謝謝,那你請回座那再來就是請財政部以及交通部財政部代表,然後你是要副稅署嗎?財政部是好,我們的副署長,然後交通部交通部我們請這個交通部綜合規劃司司長\n在這一次的這個0403的地震當中重創花蓮那我們還有這個連帶台東也是有受到很大的影響特別是觀光的部分那我知道整個災後復原的這個工作還在持續當中所以怎麼振興花蓮、台東的觀光我希望你們要提早做準備之外呢就是我知道現在呢有推出幾項紓困的方案\n但是有一個紓困的補助我希望可以馬上來盤點研議就是在涉及花蓮臺東的遊覽車業者可以減免他們的燃料稅以及牌照稅因為在地震之後遊覽車業者根本就沒有生意所以希望可以立即提供遊覽車業者可以有最實質的幫助這樣子報告委員我們是不是請公路局林副局長來回答\n報告委員那因為目前花蓮的災害的部分大車我們就整個蘇澳路廊我們還有一個就是台九的158K的下經稅橋那邊還沒有辦法通大車所以大概只有7公里我們在5月底會完成通車那我們燃料稅的部分是我們交通部主管的\n那燃料稅因為它是局部的部分而且時間可能就是到午夜底就整個所有的道路全部會通上所以這個部分從921不管是莫拉克921我們都沒有做過減免但是它如果是遊覽車損壞的部分是可以減免的以前沒有減免不代表以後不能減免啊我就要你們回去盤點研議嘛我請你研議你連研議一下你都不願意你就跟我講以前就沒有減免\n你的腦袋裡面是固定都不會轉的嗎跟委員報告那這個部分我們待會去我們請部裡面再做研議對啊麻煩你們那那個財政部的部分呢複稅署報告這個觀光業的這個減輕負擔部分過去有經驗都是用補助的方式來補助業者的牌照稅減輕業者的負擔\n好謝謝喔那一些財政部人家都乾脆多了那你就回去研議那什麼時候可以給本席回覆你們研議的狀況跟委員報告那我們一個月內跟委員做報告兩個禮拜好不好好好謝謝謝謝好請回座那接下來請原民會請原民會的劉處長\n好來原民會我們看一下精彩的部分齁這是你們4月3號公佈的災害救助事項第一項災害救助的部分死亡的認定應該就很清楚沒有沒有什麼問題齁那其他重傷者最高補助三萬還有每人傷亡生活困境家戶每戶最高補助一萬\n這個怎麼認定?然後曾銘打電話去竟然你們是回覆民眾說配套措施的認定方法還沒有出來這到底是怎麼一回事?請問處長不知道報告委員那個我剛剛有確認過有關這個1萬元部分的話只要公所認定有需求他就報告我們會裡面所以那前面你們說不知道是怎樣我不曉得哪位同仁回覆的我不清楚所以你不知道那位同仁為什麼不知道\n好那你回去了解一下齁那因為放上去電話號碼就是你等於就是你要有人接聽嘛那有人接聽的那民眾反應也有打電話也有那種打去沒人接的那我剛剛辦公室在上班時間的時候我們剛剛又測試齁也是一樣沒人接啦報委員如果有這種情況我們回去會檢討改進你要不要現在打打看\n我看不用了會漏氣啦是好是好那我想就時間內點出所有的這些本席關心的問題那希望就是說都可以來回覆有嗎好那我最後請教那個很快的快速的重要那個部長那個邱昌部長因為這個林林部長謝謝\n因為在許多家園被貼到紅黃單我們都很清楚紅單就是要拆因為今天我要來之前我赫然發現一個新聞就是說有一戶大樓被貼了紅單但是他們是說50%的住戶如果連署通過了同意不拆他就可以不用拆\n有這樣的事情嗎?聽起來好可怕呀!因為他紅單的話就是要看他當時祭司鑑定的這個狀態他是屬於可以修善或是可以補強或是一定要拆除重建所以是依據這個結果當然如果說今天是可以修善或耐震補強但是住戶如果還是決定要重建那當然我們還是尊重他但是不代表說一定要重建\n不是沒有是不會說如果那個狀況真的很不好是需要拆除的是然後50%的住戶通過之後他們可以不要拆就補強就好有這種事情嗎並沒有要看最後專家評估的結果是怎麼樣\n好 那我想就做這個釐清齁因為有這個訊息容易讓人家產生誤會委員 那個你剛剛關心是應該要從住民跟住宅的安全做最優先的一個考量那這個要專家來做這個建議好 安全可能不是投票可以表決的齁好 謝謝\n好,非常謝謝陳議委員的質詢,謝謝部長回應不過梁署長,剛剛要回應你一下,原民會如果那個窗口每次要接電話,你們跟地方政府沒有一個單一窗口,實在是你們沒有那麼樣的人力啦這是我們很理解的部分,所以為什麼剛剛本席一直要求你們一定要跟地方政府的哪一個,或者是原民局處來聯繫,讓原民局處作為第一線第二個部分可能陳議委員要問的是,生活困境是你們怎麼認定\n所以公所只要報人上你們就付每一個一萬塊是不是所以也是剛剛本席在詢問你們請你們寫清楚好不好對所以所以原民會你們要掌握一下原住民族的族人在災區裡面因為\n既然你們有這個所謂的災民的補助你們就不應該引起更多的困擾嗎好不好 這個部分要提醒你們 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.967 --> 00:17.555\n好謝謝周委我們先請經濟部商業發展署好經濟部商業發展署今天有來嗎有在後面我們給他一點時間走過來好謝謝我們請署長連署長祖密嗎上面寫署長OK好祖密郭祖密好謝謝\n\n00:33.662 --> 00:55.917\n你好,我想請教一下在0403地震之後有很多民宅的金屬水塔有毀損的狀況我們看一下這張圖這是花蓮的一家回收場的照片這間回收場光是這幾天就已經收到將近200個破損的水塔\n\n00:58.078 --> 01:20.440\n那我也接到陳情現在在花蓮根本就是買不到這個家用的水塔那我想要請教一下你們有掌握這樣的情形嗎這個部分的話我們再來了解一下就是所以你就是沒有掌握是這個我們來看一下這個發生地點在什麼地方來就定來去了解這個目前水塔這個需求的情形\n\n01:22.269 --> 01:44.808\n你們現在才要去了解是有點太慢因為就我們過去以之前不久前的918這個地震來說水塔損壞就是一個很嚴重的問題所以在這一次地震一發生的時候我們辦公室的我們整個的團隊第一件事情就想到有沒有水塔這件事情\n\n01:45.928 --> 01:59.521\n所以可見你們都沒有記取之前的教訓因為現在公路交通還沒有完全的恢復所以在民生用品的補給上我希望你們要特別的注意就像現在\n\n02:00.982 --> 02:22.660\n我現在講的這個家用的水塔我不希望因為缺貨的關係有人哄抬價格或者想要在這個時候發國難財所以我要請你們馬上瞭解一下花蓮這個家用水塔的供應與價格的情形然後跟我說明是瞭解那我們即刻來瞭解然後跟委員辦公室這邊做一個回報\n\n02:23.120 --> 02:31.623\n好那另外一件事呢我也希望因為你們其他同仁沒來我希望你可以把我接下來這個問題帶回去如實轉達那也請他們在一週內書面答覆我\n\n02:38.406 --> 02:53.529\n那因為簡易自來水的水質很容易受天候的影響那而且這個水質恢復的速度它是比較慢的那我剛剛有舉例兩年前的這個918的地震之後呢我有在大院裡的總質詢那邊有要求希望簡易自來水\n\n02:55.431 --> 03:23.143\n使用這個減益自來水的部落或村裡可以購置大型公用儲水桶由部落或村裡來維護。」那你們研議的結果呢經濟部告訴我是說竟然我是之前兩年前就質詢就是說竟然是要在明年才有經費可以處理我想這種狀況我是完全沒有辦法接受因為要跟你們講一下你知道一個水塔多少錢嗎\n\n03:25.057 --> 03:45.165\n想必你也是沒有概念我希望今天回去我質詢完之後你要全部弄清楚而且要知道不管是災害地震或者是風災最重要的就是說在整個這個我們自來水系統還沒有完全建置完成的時候呢水塔就是一個最重要的事情\n\n03:46.005 --> 04:01.294\n因為假設買一個10噸大的水塔一個也才5萬塊左右那花崗減益這台水差不多總共大概100多處全部買下來也差不多500萬的經費我不相信500萬經濟部會出不起還要東湊西湊湊到明年才會有這個錢\n\n04:02.755 --> 04:29.321\n這個就是災害發生很緊急要使用的所以應該有很多其他的這個支應的這個預算可以編列不是說還要等你們在那邊不曉得怎麼湊的還要湊到明年喔所以我希望現在可以馬上行動而且要在訊息來之前完成那希望你們在這個下禮拜的時候可以之前可以書面答覆我好不好這個我們待會去\n\n04:30.222 --> 04:52.103\n那就不要再明年了,因為500萬而已好,謝謝,那你請回座那再來就是請財政部以及交通部財政部代表,然後你是要副稅署嗎?財政部是好,我們的副署長,然後交通部交通部我們請這個交通部綜合規劃司司長\n\n04:54.660 --> 05:20.432\n在這一次的這個0403的地震當中重創花蓮那我們還有這個連帶台東也是有受到很大的影響特別是觀光的部分那我知道整個災後復原的這個工作還在持續當中所以怎麼振興花蓮、台東的觀光我希望你們要提早做準備之外呢就是我知道現在呢有推出幾項紓困的方案\n\n05:21.552 --> 05:42.541\n但是有一個紓困的補助我希望可以馬上來盤點研議就是在涉及花蓮臺東的遊覽車業者可以減免他們的燃料稅以及牌照稅因為在地震之後遊覽車業者根本就沒有生意所以希望可以立即提供遊覽車業者可以有最實質的幫助這樣子報告委員我們是不是請公路局林副局長來回答\n\n05:52.920 --> 06:15.100\n報告委員那因為目前花蓮的災害的部分大車我們就整個蘇澳路廊我們還有一個就是台九的158K的下經稅橋那邊還沒有辦法通大車所以大概只有7公里我們在5月底會完成通車那我們燃料稅的部分是我們交通部主管的\n\n06:15.640 --> 06:43.203\n那燃料稅因為它是局部的部分而且時間可能就是到午夜底就整個所有的道路全部會通上所以這個部分從921不管是莫拉克921我們都沒有做過減免但是它如果是遊覽車損壞的部分是可以減免的以前沒有減免不代表以後不能減免啊我就要你們回去盤點研議嘛我請你研議你連研議一下你都不願意你就跟我講以前就沒有減免\n\n06:44.332 --> 06:57.838\n你的腦袋裡面是固定都不會轉的嗎跟委員報告那這個部分我們待會去我們請部裡面再做研議對啊麻煩你們那那個財政部的部分呢複稅署報告這個觀光業的這個減輕負擔部分過去有經驗都是用補助的方式來補助業者的牌照稅減輕業者的負擔\n\n07:10.845 --> 07:24.796\n好謝謝喔那一些財政部人家都乾脆多了那你就回去研議那什麼時候可以給本席回覆你們研議的狀況跟委員報告那我們一個月內跟委員做報告兩個禮拜好不好好好謝謝謝謝好請回座那接下來請原民會請原民會的劉處長\n\n07:36.616 --> 07:57.170\n好來原民會我們看一下精彩的部分齁這是你們4月3號公佈的災害救助事項第一項災害救助的部分死亡的認定應該就很清楚沒有沒有什麼問題齁那其他重傷者最高補助三萬還有每人傷亡生活困境家戶每戶最高補助一萬\n\n07:58.210 --> 08:26.872\n這個怎麼認定?然後曾銘打電話去竟然你們是回覆民眾說配套措施的認定方法還沒有出來這到底是怎麼一回事?請問處長不知道報告委員那個我剛剛有確認過有關這個1萬元部分的話只要公所認定有需求他就報告我們會裡面所以那前面你們說不知道是怎樣我不曉得哪位同仁回覆的我不清楚所以你不知道那位同仁為什麼不知道\n\n08:28.012 --> 08:51.983\n好那你回去了解一下齁那因為放上去電話號碼就是你等於就是你要有人接聽嘛那有人接聽的那民眾反應也有打電話也有那種打去沒人接的那我剛剛辦公室在上班時間的時候我們剛剛又測試齁也是一樣沒人接啦報委員如果有這種情況我們回去會檢討改進你要不要現在打打看\n\n08:53.798 --> 09:14.007\n我看不用了會漏氣啦是好是好那我想就時間內點出所有的這些本席關心的問題那希望就是說都可以來回覆有嗎好那我最後請教那個很快的快速的重要那個部長那個邱昌部長因為這個林林部長謝謝\n\n09:15.854 --> 09:38.616\n因為在許多家園被貼到紅黃單我們都很清楚紅單就是要拆因為今天我要來之前我赫然發現一個新聞就是說有一戶大樓被貼了紅單但是他們是說50%的住戶如果連署通過了同意不拆他就可以不用拆\n\n09:39.898 --> 10:06.260\n有這樣的事情嗎?聽起來好可怕呀!因為他紅單的話就是要看他當時祭司鑑定的這個狀態他是屬於可以修善或是可以補強或是一定要拆除重建所以是依據這個結果當然如果說今天是可以修善或耐震補強但是住戶如果還是決定要重建那當然我們還是尊重他但是不代表說一定要重建\n\n10:07.313 --> 10:26.136\n不是沒有是不會說如果那個狀況真的很不好是需要拆除的是然後50%的住戶通過之後他們可以不要拆就補強就好有這種事情嗎並沒有要看最後專家評估的結果是怎麼樣\n\n10:26.937 --> 10:45.611\n好那我想就做這個釐清齁因為有這個訊息容易讓人家產生誤會委員那個你剛剛關心是應該要從住民跟住宅的安全做最優先的一個考量那這個要專家來做這個建議好安全可能不是投票可以表決的齁好謝謝\n\n10:46.496 --> 11:14.219\n好,非常謝謝陳議委員的質詢,謝謝部長回應不過梁署長,剛剛要回應你一下,原民會如果那個窗口每次要接電話,你們跟地方政府沒有一個單一窗口,實在是你們沒有那麼樣的人力啦這是我們很理解的部分,所以為什麼剛剛本席一直要求你們一定要跟地方政府的哪一個,或者是原民局處來聯繫,讓原民局處作為第一線第二個部分可能陳議委員要問的是,生活困境是你們怎麼認定\n\n11:16.638 --> 11:40.035\n所以公所只要報人上你們就付每一個一萬塊是不是所以也是剛剛本席在詢問你們請你們寫清楚好不好對所以所以原民會你們要掌握一下原住民族的族人在災區裡面因為\n\n11:41.826 --> 11:49.097\n既然你們有這個所謂的災民的補助你們就不應該引起更多的困擾嗎好不好這個部分要提醒你們謝謝\n\n","segments":[{"start":5.967,"end":17.555,"text":"好 謝謝周委我們先請經濟部商業發展署好 經濟部商業發展署今天有來嗎 有在後面我們給他一點時間走過來好 謝謝我們請署長 連署長祖密嗎 上面寫署長OK 好 祖密 郭祖密好 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