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Tahovecahe委員：（14時16分）謝謝主席。先請內政部和原民會。"],["主席：請林部長和劉處長，謝謝。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：部長好、處長好。"],["林部長右昌：委員好。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：向各部會致敬，大家都辛苦了。本席先提一下，這次的救災，本席接到很多災民陳情，感覺上目前的進度還不錯，以道路災損來說，你們是先進行灌漿預防淘空。或者像秀林鄉的和平部落，他們前有清水斷崖，後有崩山，在進退無據之下，災民希望臺鐵和平站可以加開往北、往南的班次，隔天也有做到。","甚至像梨山松鶴，其實他們受災的狀況也很嚴重，農灌系統也都受損，但他們告訴本席，農水署長有親自打電話請他們不用擔心，他們都覺得很感動，這個部分大家都很用心，但本席覺得還有很多地方希望各部會加強。像東華大學的災況，大家都看到了，情況非常嚴重，不知道會影響師生多久，另外像私立的玉山神學院，我們知道之後也替他們感到很擔憂，他們也不知道該怎麼辦。經過一直反映，謝謝原民會，行政院終於同意讓賑災基金會也納入玉山神學院系統或是一些教會系統。","我們看一下這個圖片，這是校園的災況，其實在九二一或是八八風災的時候，像這種校舍都是要異地重建的，現在這個部分可以納入重建和修繕補助，我們也要特別表達感謝。不過也要再提醒，因為建築專家也說過，像這種狀況是因為地質滑動，所以他們比較擔憂的是邊坡、擋土牆等水保工程，恐怕是重點，希望原民會針對這個部分做好調查，要確認數量和所需要的經費，也希望國土署能夠協助判定災損的情形，提出一些重建工程的評估。再來就是教育部，針對所有學校這段時間的住宿、課程學習等需求，也希望一同幫忙。","請教一下部長，我們有看到之前的報導，截至4月10日，請求評估的建築物高達1,358件，而且民眾的請求持續當中。到今天為止，您知道大概有多少件嗎？"],["林部長右昌：我們這邊的數字，到4月9日，剛才報告時也有提到，和這個數字有點差距啦！通報的部分大概是1,247件。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：總之就是一千多件嘛！"],["林部長右昌：對。它分成幾個部分，第一個，貼紅單的有51件，這是最新的數字，貼黃單的是92件，不需張貼危險標誌的也有一千多件。"],["伍麗華Saidhai 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Tahovecahe委員：以我們的部落來說，我比較期待的是，例如剛才本席提供的那些民宅照片，我們不知道會排多久，或者他們要怎麼申請，但是本席希望內政部、原民會和地方縣市政府可以合作，有沒有可能擬定一個開口契約，幫這些已經出現裂縫的自用住宅處理一下，就過去的經驗來看，本席認為這樣比較快，也比較好啦！","你看一下這個照片，這是村長的貼文，民眾也一直告訴本席，整排邊坡已經損及他們的農田，也危及民宅，所以他們非常緊張，很多人都說完了，以後就是空有所有權狀，但是沒有土地了啦！像這種狀況，我們也不知道到底地方為什麼會來詢問，因為他們說沒有人去看，本席還問他們是真的嗎？不可能會這樣，應該是有去看過。那怎麼到地方去開說明會？因為天災之後讓人民安心是最基本的，這個部分也希望你們要去做。再來，本席要請問原民會，他們也很關心……"],["林部長右昌：委員，我用10秒鐘回應一下剛才的問題。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：好的。"],["林部長右昌：依照剛才那張圖看起來，應該是鄉鎮市公所要報案，這個看起來應該要去現地會勘。第三，後面比較接近民宅的崩塌部分，應該馬上檢視有沒有立即性的安全問題。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：是啊！所以我們要趕快會勘，對不對？"],["林部長右昌：鄉鎮市公所要趕快提報這個案子。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：好的，本席會去確認。請問原民會，他們也一直在問一個問題，就是這次崩塌的地方很多，現在剛好又要開始申請禁伐補償，過去幾年本席也很關心這個問題。雖然我們要落實禁伐的精神，但也請你們不要亂扣除面積，謝謝！今年1月8日公告修正的內容已經不會東扣西扣，也就是說，只要沒有定著的固定物，或者道路鋪設水泥，基本上都不會扣除面積，對嗎？"],["劉處長維哲：按照新的規定，的確是……"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：好，本席只是要確認這一點，因為你們沒有寫到崩塌地，所以本席要問這部分是不是負面表列。本席現在要說的是……"],["劉處長維哲：這個部分我會向經發處反映，請他們注意這件事情。"],["伍麗華Saidhai 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00:02:42,747\n所以希望他們比較擔憂的是邊坡擋土牆還有這些水保工程恐怕是重點所以在這邊就是特別希望原民會這個部分可能還是要去做好調查這些數量還有所需要的經費那國土署這邊也希望能夠協助判定災損的情形提出一些重建工程的評估\n\n8\n00:02:44,428 --> 00:02:59,859\n教育部也要針對所有學校這段時間的住宿、課程學習的需求希望都一同來幫忙在這邊請教一下部長我們有看到之前的報載說截至4月10日為止\n\n9\n00:03:02,601 --> 00:03:14,810\n這個請求評估的這些建築物高達1358件而且是民眾的請求持續中那不曉得到今天您知道大概有多少件了嗎我們這邊的數字4月9號\n\n10\n00:03:22,562 --> 00:03:35,209\n剛剛在有報告的時候有提到是通報部分跟這個有點差距不過通報部分大概是1247那總之就1000多件嗎對那它有幾個部分第一個是貼黃單的是51最新的貼黃單是92\n\n11\n00:03:39,191 --> 00:03:49,198\n那不須張貼危險標誌的也有一千多部長我關心的是截至目前為止很多很多的部落災民還在每天都在打電話傳照片給我為什麼因為他們還沒有等到有人來做會刊\n\n12\n00:03:54,901 --> 00:04:00,348\n他們看到你看這個照片會緊張啊因為有的是窗戶就沒有辦法打開門沒有辦法打開那住在這樣的一個房子底下最近餘震又不斷然後地層越來越下陷啊他們又一直說都沒有等到很焦慮啦\n\n13\n00:04:12,264 --> 00:04:38,525\n所以我想這個部分還是要去關心協助一下那也許我們也會排會刊因為可能很多不是你們可以知道的部分那像國土署這邊也有提供修繕的部分什麼緊急修繕原民會呢也過去都會提出也有一個什麼重建補助修繕補助可是我們知道的就是說這個是另外加的嗎還是在原來的年度本預算內因為\n\n14\n00:04:40,386 --> 00:05:00,244\n過去的慣例就是我們看到這種貸款資格他還要送金融單位審查而且連一般性兌款他都貸不到那你要怎麼確保他能夠取得那另外就是說都是供不應求那現在這麼大量的這個震後的民房的修繕需求有沒有去評估過\n\n15\n00:05:01,385 --> 00:05:10,088\n有助濟災民嗎?然後會幫他們提供信用保證嗎?讓他們順利取得貸款嗎?」我想這個部分我也想了解一下\n\n16\n00:05:12,202 --> 00:05:33,038\n我要跟你報告花蓮的部分已經被宣告為是災區花蓮縣整個花蓮縣所以當然所有在花蓮縣裡面受災受損的這些包括你剛剛在講災民的輔助確保都可以對其實都是在這個災區所有築地範圍裡面\n\n17\n00:05:35,180 --> 00:05:38,861\n那至於這些細節的部分我請這個署長來做說明沒關係因為時間的關係我想說給我一個報告因為我還有很多問題想要提我是希望這樣子以我們部落來講我比較期待的是說\n\n18\n00:05:52,265 --> 00:06:08,712\n像剛才我提供的那些民宅的部分我也不知道會排到多久他要怎麼申請但是至少我希望說內政部、原民會跟地方縣市政府合作有沒有可能擬定一個開口契約然後提供這一些自用住宅已經出現這些裂縫的這些民眾能夠去幫他們處理一下\n\n19\n00:06:13,474 --> 00:06:19,216\n我自己過去的經驗是認為這樣子比較快、比較好像你看一下這個照片這是村長PO的那個民眾也一直跟我講你看這個整排喔整排鞭波喔都已經損及到他們的農田喔危及到民宅喔他們非常的緊張他們很多人都說完了空有手有權狀沒有土地了啦那像這種的我們也不知道到底地方\n\n20\n00:06:42,564 --> 00:07:02,139\n為什麼我會來問他就是說沒有人來看沒有來看我說真的嗎那如果不可能是這樣應該是有去看那怎麼到地方去做說明會因為我覺得天災之後讓人民安心是最基本的一個提供所以這個部分我也是希望那再來我要問原民會\n\n21\n00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:27,601\n委員我10秒鐘給你回應一下剛剛那一張圖看起來這個應該是這個鄉鎮市公所他要去報案他要把案子提出來然後這個看起來這個應該要去現地做會刊第三呢因為看後面比較後面這個他的比較接近民宅的部分那個要去立即要去檢視有沒有立即性的安全的問題\n\n22\n00:07:32,184 --> 00:07:54,350\n那我會去做確認就是要問一下原民會他們也一直在問因為這次的崩塌很多啦剛好又要開始申請禁法補償那過去幾年我很關心就是要落實禁法的精神不要亂扣亂扣亂扣謝謝今年1月8號公告修正的已經沒有東扣西扣了也就是說\n\n23\n00:07:55,290 --> 00:08:04,311\n反正只要沒有這些定著的固定物的或者是道路鋪設水泥的基本上看起來是都不會去扣除面積對嗎\n\n24\n00:08:07,921 --> 00:08:32,720\n按照新的規定的話的確是我只是要確認因為你沒有寫到崩塌地啊我只是說他是負面表列嗎好我現在要講的是說跟我們金巴處去反映請他注意這件事情好那崩塌地我在這邊強調一下不要納入覆蓋率喔你不要扣債分母喔你要給他扣債分母好不好不要扣債分子要不然這個就是騙人了好不好好的\n\n25\n00:08:33,801 --> 00:08:50,399\n好謝謝那再給我一個問題那再來就是說太管處這一次受災太嚴重了那因為發布說整個豐原沒有期限所以像三月村這種裡面的都就自動宣布歇業嘛\n\n26\n00:08:50,899 --> 00:09:15,510\n那現在我們要問的就是說不只啦菁英飯店可能也要歇業啦市區的什麼漢平酒店、立翔酒店也都會歇業我要講的是說他們的協會理事長說如果政府不幫忙他們一定要裁員因為企業也撐不住所以很多人跟我說像三月春要之前40幾個他們說有的小孩子才剛出生一個月怎麼辦\n\n27\n00:09:17,030 --> 00:09:37,158\n我看到勞動部有天災的零工措施提供最低基本工資原民會也提出了臨時工作計畫最低工資勞動部是說提供2000名就業機會原民會我不知道幾位沒說我現在要講的是說兩個是分流還是併用會做多久\n\n28\n00:09:38,879 --> 00:09:54,254\n那我們是不是不應該有設限因為這些災民需要工作的因為我們最擔心的每一個原住民一去勞動部那邊都會被踢啊哎呀你們園民會有你們去園民會我們常常碰到這種情形啊\n\n29\n00:10:14,787 --> 00:10:37,322\n不到花蓮就不會到台東不到台東就不會到花蓮所以我想這個部分去考量一下重新檢討一下我們是期待像2018年的時候不是有普悠瑪出軌事件嗎還有那個0206地震嗎那時候你們有出一個國旅的專案大家很高興提供他住宿提供他交通而且\n\n30\n00:10:38,503 --> 00:11:01,812\n擴大到北部宜蘭南部高雄屏東我是希望說現在要暑假了4月中了幫助花蓮的一種方式希望能夠去研議一下擴大縣市別擴大補助的業者的類型還有補助這些交通費我想這個部分很重要那最後就是那個消防這一次的那個新秀消防隊他只有打火用具他們說\n\n31\n00:11:03,132 --> 00:11:31,802\n沒有山域的、沒有水域的這些工具都不知道要怎麼救災消防署可能也要重新檢討一下好不好因為每一次新的災害類型我們就會有新的需求希望可以為我們的這些義消兄弟一起來幫忙以上問題很多謝謝主席不過我們還是要請這個太魯閣國際公園跟園民會跟勞委會你們整合一下資料我剛剛本席召委有提過就是最先\n\n32\n00:11:32,662 --> 00:12:00,229\n已經沒有工作的這些人應該是你們零工最先要協助幫忙的部分不能夠縣市政府怎麼提報你們就怎麼做所以你們一個橫向聯繫非常重要好不好好也跟吳令華委員說明一下就是我們希望經濟部、交通部還有文化部跟園民會單位能夠參著這個新冠疫情的復甦的這個方案請他們願意提出一個說明好不好謝謝好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5463\t28754\t謝謝主席先有請內政部跟原民會有請林部長跟劉處長謝謝部長好、處長好向各部會致敬大家都辛苦了那我先提一下我覺得這一次的整個救災狀況我個人的部分接受到很多災民的陳情\n29995\t56686\t感覺上進度還不錯以那個道路災損來講我可以看到先進行灌漿預防掏空或者是像秀林鄉的和平部落他們前有清水斷崖後有崩山在進退無懼之下呢災民希望說他們的和平站台鐵可以加開往北往南的班次那隔天也都有做到那甚至是像梨山\n57546\t79482\t松鶴那個地方其實他們受災也很嚴重他們的農管系統也都受損他們告訴我說農水署長有親自打電話敲他們不用擔心他們都覺得很感動所以我想這個部分其實大家都很用心但是我覺得還是很多地方希望各部會能夠加強\n81663\t105450\t像東華大學的災況大家都看到了非常的嚴重影響到師生不知道要多久那另外一方面私立的像玉山神學院我們知道之後我們也替他們感到很擔憂他們也不知道該怎麼辦所以在一直反應之下謝謝原民會忠於行政院同意讓震災基金會也能夠納入\n106630\t110194\t把這些玉山神學院系統或是一些教會系統我們看一下這個圖片這個是校園的災況其實這個在921或者是88風災像這種校舍狀況其實都要異地重建了啦\n121527\t122067\t建築專家對我講,這種狀況是因為地質滑動了\n139838\t162747\t所以希望他們比較擔憂的是邊坡擋土牆還有這些水保工程恐怕是重點所以在這邊就是特別希望原民會這個部分可能還是要去做好調查這些數量還有所需要的經費那國土署這邊也希望能夠協助判定災損的情形提出一些重建工程的評估\n164428\t179859\t教育部也要針對所有學校這段時間的住宿、課程學習的需求希望都一同來幫忙在這邊請教一下部長我們有看到之前的報載說截至4月10日為止\n182601\t194810\t這個請求評估的這些建築物高達1358件而且是民眾的請求持續中那不曉得到今天您知道大概有多少件了嗎我們這邊的數字4月9號\n202562\t215209\t剛剛在有報告的時候有提到是通報部分跟這個有點差距不過通報部分大概是1247那總之就1000多件嗎對那它有幾個部分第一個是貼黃單的是51最新的貼黃單是92\n219191\t229198\t那不須張貼危險標誌的也有一千多部長我關心的是截至目前為止很多很多的部落災民還在每天都在打電話傳照片給我為什麼因為他們還沒有等到有人來做會刊\n234901\t240348\t他們看到你看這個照片會緊張啊因為有的是窗戶就沒有辦法打開門沒有辦法打開那住在這樣的一個房子底下最近餘震又不斷然後地層越來越下陷啊他們又一直說都沒有等到很焦慮啦\n252264\t278525\t所以我想這個部分還是要去關心協助一下那也許我們也會排會刊因為可能很多不是你們可以知道的部分那像國土署這邊也有提供修繕的部分什麼緊急修繕原民會呢也過去都會提出也有一個什麼重建補助修繕補助可是我們知道的就是說這個是另外加的嗎還是在原來的年度本預算內因為\n280386\t300244\t過去的慣例就是我們看到這種貸款資格他還要送金融單位審查而且連一般性兌款他都貸不到那你要怎麼確保他能夠取得那另外就是說都是供不應求那現在這麼大量的這個震後的民房的修繕需求有沒有去評估過\n301385\t310088\t有助濟災民嗎?然後會幫他們提供信用保證嗎?讓他們順利取得貸款嗎?」我想這個部分我也想了解一下\n312202\t333038\t我要跟你報告花蓮的部分已經被宣告為是災區花蓮縣整個花蓮縣所以當然所有在花蓮縣裡面受災受損的這些包括你剛剛在講災民的輔助確保都可以對其實都是在這個災區所有築地範圍裡面\n335180\t338861\t那至於這些細節的部分我請這個署長來做說明沒關係因為時間的關係我想說給我一個報告因為我還有很多問題想要提我是希望這樣子以我們部落來講我比較期待的是說\n352265\t368712\t像剛才我提供的那些民宅的部分我也不知道會排到多久他要怎麼申請但是至少我希望說內政部、原民會跟地方縣市政府合作有沒有可能擬定一個開口契約然後提供這一些自用住宅已經出現這些裂縫的這些民眾能夠去幫他們處理一下\n373474\t379216\t我自己過去的經驗是認為這樣子比較快、比較好像你看一下這個照片這是村長PO的那個民眾也一直跟我講你看這個整排喔整排鞭波喔都已經損及到他們的農田喔危及到民宅喔他們非常的緊張他們很多人都說完了空有手有權狀沒有土地了啦那像這種的我們也不知道到底地方\n402564\t422139\t為什麼我會來問他就是說沒有人來看沒有來看我說真的嗎那如果不可能是這樣應該是有去看那怎麼到地方去做說明會因為我覺得天災之後讓人民安心是最基本的一個提供所以這個部分我也是希望那再來我要問原民會\n423560\t447601\t委員我10秒鐘給你回應一下剛剛那一張圖看起來這個應該是這個鄉鎮市公所他要去報案他要把案子提出來然後這個看起來這個應該要去現地做會刊第三呢因為看後面比較後面這個他的比較接近民宅的部分那個要去立即要去檢視有沒有立即性的安全的問題\n452184\t474350\t那我會去做確認就是要問一下原民會他們也一直在問因為這次的崩塌很多啦剛好又要開始申請禁法補償那過去幾年我很關心就是要落實禁法的精神不要亂扣亂扣亂扣謝謝今年1月8號公告修正的已經沒有東扣西扣了也就是說\n475290\t484311\t反正只要沒有這些定著的固定物的或者是道路鋪設水泥的基本上看起來是都不會去扣除面積對嗎\n487921\t512720\t按照新的規定的話的確是我只是要確認因為你沒有寫到崩塌地啊我只是說他是負面表列嗎好我現在要講的是說跟我們金巴處去反映請他注意這件事情好那崩塌地我在這邊強調一下不要納入覆蓋率喔你不要扣債分母喔你要給他扣債分母好不好不要扣債分子要不然這個就是騙人了好不好好的\n513801\t530399\t好 謝謝那再給我一個問題那再來就是說太管處這一次受災太嚴重了那因為發布說整個豐原沒有期限所以像三月村這種裡面的都就自動宣布歇業嘛\n530899\t555510\t那現在我們要問的就是說不只啦菁英飯店可能也要歇業啦市區的什麼漢平酒店、立翔酒店也都會歇業我要講的是說他們的協會理事長說如果政府不幫忙他們一定要裁員因為企業也撐不住所以很多人跟我說像三月春要之前40幾個他們說有的小孩子才剛出生一個月怎麼辦\n557030\t577158\t我看到勞動部有天災的零工措施提供最低基本工資原民會也提出了臨時工作計畫最低工資勞動部是說提供2000名就業機會原民會我不知道幾位沒說我現在要講的是說兩個是分流還是併用會做多久\n578879\t594254\t那我們是不是不應該有設限因為這些災民需要工作的因為我們最擔心的每一個原住民一去勞動部那邊都會被踢啊哎呀你們園民會有你們去園民會我們常常碰到這種情形啊\n594855\t614787\t發動、發動、發動\n614787\t637322\t不到花蓮就不會到台東不到台東就不會到花蓮所以我想這個部分去考量一下重新檢討一下我們是期待像2018年的時候不是有普悠瑪出軌事件嗎還有那個0206地震嗎那時候你們有出一個國旅的專案大家很高興提供他住宿提供他交通而且\n638503\t661812\t擴大到北部宜蘭南部高雄屏東我是希望說現在要暑假了4月中了幫助花蓮的一種方式希望能夠去研議一下擴大縣市別擴大補助的業者的類型還有補助這些交通費我想這個部分很重要那最後就是那個消防這一次的那個新秀消防隊他只有打火用具他們說\n663132\t691802\t沒有山域的、沒有水域的這些工具都不知道要怎麼救災消防署可能也要重新檢討一下好不好因為每一次新的災害類型我們就會有新的需求希望可以為我們的這些義消兄弟一起來幫忙以上問題很多謝謝主席不過我們還是要請這個太魯閣國際公園跟園民會跟勞委會你們整合一下資料我剛剛本席召委有提過就是最先\n692662\t720229\t已經沒有工作的這些人應該是你們零工最先要協助幫忙的部分不能夠縣市政府怎麼提報你們就怎麼做所以你們一個橫向聯繫非常重要好不好好也跟吳令華委員說明一下就是我們希望經濟部、交通部還有文化部跟園民會單位能夠參著這個新冠疫情的復甦的這個方案請他們願意提出一個說明好不好謝謝好謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席先有請內政部跟原民會有請林部長跟劉處長謝謝部長好、處長好向各部會致敬大家都辛苦了那我先提一下我覺得這一次的整個救災狀況我個人的部分接受到很多災民的陳情\n感覺上進度還不錯以那個道路災損來講我可以看到先進行灌漿預防掏空或者是像秀林鄉的和平部落他們前有清水斷崖後有崩山在進退無懼之下呢災民希望說他們的和平站台鐵可以加開往北往南的班次那隔天也都有做到那甚至是像梨山\n松鶴那個地方其實他們受災也很嚴重他們的農管系統也都受損他們告訴我說農水署長有親自打電話敲他們不用擔心他們都覺得很感動所以我想這個部分其實大家都很用心但是我覺得還是很多地方希望各部會能夠加強\n像東華大學的災況大家都看到了非常的嚴重影響到師生不知道要多久那另外一方面私立的像玉山神學院我們知道之後我們也替他們感到很擔憂他們也不知道該怎麼辦所以在一直反應之下謝謝原民會忠於行政院同意讓震災基金會也能夠納入\n把這些玉山神學院系統或是一些教會系統我們看一下這個圖片這個是校園的災況其實這個在921或者是88風災像這種校舍狀況其實都要異地重建了啦\n建築專家對我講,這種狀況是因為地質滑動了\n所以希望他們比較擔憂的是邊坡擋土牆還有這些水保工程恐怕是重點所以在這邊就是特別希望原民會這個部分可能還是要去做好調查這些數量還有所需要的經費那國土署這邊也希望能夠協助判定災損的情形提出一些重建工程的評估\n教育部也要針對所有學校這段時間的住宿、課程學習的需求希望都一同來幫忙在這邊請教一下部長我們有看到之前的報載說截至4月10日為止\n這個請求評估的這些建築物高達1358件而且是民眾的請求持續中那不曉得到今天您知道大概有多少件了嗎我們這邊的數字4月9號\n剛剛在有報告的時候有提到是通報部分跟這個有點差距不過通報部分大概是1247那總之就1000多件嗎對那它有幾個部分第一個是貼黃單的是51最新的貼黃單是92\n那不須張貼危險標誌的也有一千多部長我關心的是截至目前為止很多很多的部落災民還在每天都在打電話傳照片給我為什麼因為他們還沒有等到有人來做會刊\n他們看到你看這個照片會緊張啊因為有的是窗戶就沒有辦法打開門沒有辦法打開那住在這樣的一個房子底下最近餘震又不斷然後地層越來越下陷啊他們又一直說都沒有等到很焦慮啦\n所以我想這個部分還是要去關心協助一下那也許我們也會排會刊因為可能很多不是你們可以知道的部分那像國土署這邊也有提供修繕的部分什麼緊急修繕原民會呢也過去都會提出也有一個什麼重建補助修繕補助可是我們知道的就是說這個是另外加的嗎還是在原來的年度本預算內因為\n過去的慣例就是我們看到這種貸款資格他還要送金融單位審查而且連一般性兌款他都貸不到那你要怎麼確保他能夠取得那另外就是說都是供不應求那現在這麼大量的這個震後的民房的修繕需求有沒有去評估過\n有助濟災民嗎?然後會幫他們提供信用保證嗎?讓他們順利取得貸款嗎?」我想這個部分我也想了解一下\n我要跟你報告花蓮的部分已經被宣告為是災區花蓮縣整個花蓮縣所以當然所有在花蓮縣裡面受災受損的這些包括你剛剛在講災民的輔助確保都可以對其實都是在這個災區所有築地範圍裡面\n那至於這些細節的部分我請這個署長來做說明沒關係因為時間的關係我想說給我一個報告因為我還有很多問題想要提我是希望這樣子以我們部落來講我比較期待的是說\n像剛才我提供的那些民宅的部分我也不知道會排到多久他要怎麼申請但是至少我希望說內政部、原民會跟地方縣市政府合作有沒有可能擬定一個開口契約然後提供這一些自用住宅已經出現這些裂縫的這些民眾能夠去幫他們處理一下\n我自己過去的經驗是認為這樣子比較快、比較好像你看一下這個照片這是村長PO的那個民眾也一直跟我講你看這個整排喔整排鞭波喔都已經損及到他們的農田喔危及到民宅喔他們非常的緊張他們很多人都說完了空有手有權狀沒有土地了啦那像這種的我們也不知道到底地方\n為什麼我會來問他就是說沒有人來看沒有來看我說真的嗎那如果不可能是這樣應該是有去看那怎麼到地方去做說明會因為我覺得天災之後讓人民安心是最基本的一個提供所以這個部分我也是希望那再來我要問原民會\n委員我10秒鐘給你回應一下剛剛那一張圖看起來這個應該是這個鄉鎮市公所他要去報案他要把案子提出來然後這個看起來這個應該要去現地做會刊第三呢因為看後面比較後面這個他的比較接近民宅的部分那個要去立即要去檢視有沒有立即性的安全的問題\n那我會去做確認就是要問一下原民會他們也一直在問因為這次的崩塌很多啦剛好又要開始申請禁法補償那過去幾年我很關心就是要落實禁法的精神不要亂扣亂扣亂扣謝謝今年1月8號公告修正的已經沒有東扣西扣了也就是說\n反正只要沒有這些定著的固定物的或者是道路鋪設水泥的基本上看起來是都不會去扣除面積對嗎\n按照新的規定的話的確是我只是要確認因為你沒有寫到崩塌地啊我只是說他是負面表列嗎好我現在要講的是說跟我們金巴處去反映請他注意這件事情好那崩塌地我在這邊強調一下不要納入覆蓋率喔你不要扣債分母喔你要給他扣債分母好不好不要扣債分子要不然這個就是騙人了好不好好的\n好 謝謝那再給我一個問題那再來就是說太管處這一次受災太嚴重了那因為發布說整個豐原沒有期限所以像三月村這種裡面的都就自動宣布歇業嘛\n那現在我們要問的就是說不只啦菁英飯店可能也要歇業啦市區的什麼漢平酒店、立翔酒店也都會歇業我要講的是說他們的協會理事長說如果政府不幫忙他們一定要裁員因為企業也撐不住所以很多人跟我說像三月春要之前40幾個他們說有的小孩子才剛出生一個月怎麼辦\n我看到勞動部有天災的零工措施提供最低基本工資原民會也提出了臨時工作計畫最低工資勞動部是說提供2000名就業機會原民會我不知道幾位沒說我現在要講的是說兩個是分流還是併用會做多久\n那我們是不是不應該有設限因為這些災民需要工作的因為我們最擔心的每一個原住民一去勞動部那邊都會被踢啊哎呀你們園民會有你們去園民會我們常常碰到這種情形啊\n發動、發動、發動\n不到花蓮就不會到台東不到台東就不會到花蓮所以我想這個部分去考量一下重新檢討一下我們是期待像2018年的時候不是有普悠瑪出軌事件嗎還有那個0206地震嗎那時候你們有出一個國旅的專案大家很高興提供他住宿提供他交通而且\n擴大到北部宜蘭南部高雄屏東我是希望說現在要暑假了4月中了幫助花蓮的一種方式希望能夠去研議一下擴大縣市別擴大補助的業者的類型還有補助這些交通費我想這個部分很重要那最後就是那個消防這一次的那個新秀消防隊他只有打火用具他們說\n沒有山域的、沒有水域的這些工具都不知道要怎麼救災消防署可能也要重新檢討一下好不好因為每一次新的災害類型我們就會有新的需求希望可以為我們的這些義消兄弟一起來幫忙以上問題很多謝謝主席不過我們還是要請這個太魯閣國際公園跟園民會跟勞委會你們整合一下資料我剛剛本席召委有提過就是最先\n已經沒有工作的這些人應該是你們零工最先要協助幫忙的部分不能夠縣市政府怎麼提報你們就怎麼做所以你們一個橫向聯繫非常重要好不好好也跟吳令華委員說明一下就是我們希望經濟部、交通部還有文化部跟園民會單位能夠參著這個新冠疫情的復甦的這個方案請他們願意提出一個說明好不好謝謝好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.463 --> 00:28.754\n謝謝主席先有請內政部跟原民會有請林部長跟劉處長謝謝部長好、處長好向各部會致敬大家都辛苦了那我先提一下我覺得這一次的整個救災狀況我個人的部分接受到很多災民的陳情\n\n00:29.995 --> 00:56.686\n感覺上進度還不錯以那個道路災損來講我可以看到先進行灌漿預防掏空或者是像秀林鄉的和平部落他們前有清水斷崖後有崩山在進退無懼之下呢災民希望說他們的和平站台鐵可以加開往北往南的班次那隔天也都有做到那甚至是像梨山\n\n00:57.546 --> 01:19.482\n松鶴那個地方其實他們受災也很嚴重他們的農管系統也都受損他們告訴我說農水署長有親自打電話敲他們不用擔心他們都覺得很感動所以我想這個部分其實大家都很用心但是我覺得還是很多地方希望各部會能夠加強\n\n01:21.663 --> 01:45.450\n像東華大學的災況大家都看到了非常的嚴重影響到師生不知道要多久那另外一方面私立的像玉山神學院我們知道之後我們也替他們感到很擔憂他們也不知道該怎麼辦所以在一直反應之下謝謝原民會忠於行政院同意讓震災基金會也能夠納入\n\n01:46.630 --> 01:50.194\n把這些玉山神學院系統或是一些教會系統我們看一下這個圖片這個是校園的災況其實這個在921或者是88風災像這種校舍狀況其實都要異地重建了啦\n\n02:01.527 --> 02:02.067\n建築專家對我講,這種狀況是因為地質滑動了\n\n02:19.838 --> 02:42.747\n所以希望他們比較擔憂的是邊坡擋土牆還有這些水保工程恐怕是重點所以在這邊就是特別希望原民會這個部分可能還是要去做好調查這些數量還有所需要的經費那國土署這邊也希望能夠協助判定災損的情形提出一些重建工程的評估\n\n02:44.428 --> 02:59.859\n教育部也要針對所有學校這段時間的住宿、課程學習的需求希望都一同來幫忙在這邊請教一下部長我們有看到之前的報載說截至4月10日為止\n\n03:02.601 --> 03:14.810\n這個請求評估的這些建築物高達1358件而且是民眾的請求持續中那不曉得到今天您知道大概有多少件了嗎我們這邊的數字4月9號\n\n03:22.562 --> 03:35.209\n剛剛在有報告的時候有提到是通報部分跟這個有點差距不過通報部分大概是1247那總之就1000多件嗎對那它有幾個部分第一個是貼黃單的是51最新的貼黃單是92\n\n03:39.191 --> 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