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00:01:21,353\n有的學生還是住在裡頭他們可能就是建簡單自己整理打掃因為基本上以學校所在地受風箱旁邊其實並沒有那麼多民宅可供出租而且在第一時間學校經歷過滅活事情還有其他很多事情其實也來不及幫學生整理這些宿舍的問題不知道目前教育部對於學生住宿的情況掌握程度\n\n5\n00:01:21,713 --> 00:01:30,964\n跟後續有可能提供的協助可不可以說一說讓我們的家長們安心包含我自己辦公室的助理他的妹妹就在念東華大學那我想很多家長也會非常擔心\n\n6\n00:01:33,751 --> 00:01:51,442\n目前東華大學大概5000床的宿舍裡面將近2000床的宿舍大概有不同程度的一個受損情形那也散落在不同的系所所以學校目前的做法有幾項短期來講在4月10號到4月26號他們先用彈性\n\n7\n00:01:52,663 --> 00:02:09,225\n受扣的方式以可以有線上搭配一部分的實體目前我們有請學校積極跟學生溝通如果說可以的話可能在426到這個學期結束學校大概都會用一些線上的方式有點比照像我們先前防疫的時候以線上\n\n8\n00:02:10,086 --> 00:02:30,789\n的方式來進行因為這樣子的話才有可能空出一些宿舍來做處理因為學校的狀況我們在4月10號有去看過目前這些有一些廁所因為它整個那個管線錯位跟天花板的問題大概不容易在這一兩個月馬上修復所以必須要空出一些宿舍\n\n9\n00:02:31,409 --> 00:02:51,120\n所以在透過一些彈性修業的方式讓學生做一些調度第二個部裡面我們現在也請學校先優先先去盤出來說哪一些部分要先整修趕快報經費到部裡面來部裡面我們就會來指引那長期來講因為部裡面有在推新宿舍運動我們也會來協助學校趁這個時間點我們就來做一個宿舍的維修\n\n10\n00:02:58,504 --> 00:03:25,473\n這樣聽起來就是目前災後有自己在協助然後同時還建議了新宿舍運動的可能性但是如同您剛剛說的您甚至還建議教育部從4月26號到期末是不是都乾脆採取彈性也就是實體跟線上並行的上課方法那我偷偷跟司長講一個好玩的事情喔很多學生他們就還是在宿舍裡面可是他就採取線上上課他想說反正你學校也就不點名有這個彈性那我們其實更擔心的是我們站在教育的立場怎麼說呢\n\n11\n00:03:26,673 --> 00:03:43,161\n我們希望大家這個時候是共同展現我們對花蓮的支持跟韌性包含這次有很多的商家他們也告訴大家不用可憐我們你們要捐款你們有其他的選擇但是請支持我們的產業支持我們的農產品支持我們原本給大家提供的服務我相信東華大學師生應該有這樣的認知可是這個宿舍的部分我剛剛聽到看起來\n\n12\n00:03:48,644 --> 00:04:10,571\n你們是積極建議學校到期末都採取這個方法那如果這個方向學校也可以接受大學生或是學校老師也都可以接受是不是就請教育部再更積極的去盤點我們剛剛說的把安全的地方競速盤點提供出來讓想要留在學校裡面的學生他們有安全的地方可以住然後到學期末離開學校之前這個部分至少是安全的好不好\n\n13\n00:04:12,421 --> 00:04:29,097\n跟委員報告因為4月26號是不是停課到學期末這其實學校評估啦但是因為下長有跟我提過這個部分我有第一個要求就是說先跟學校跟學生要充分的溝通第二個就像委員提到的先控出大概另外在3000多床沒有受損的\n\n14\n00:04:29,798 --> 00:04:57,255\n船位來做調查可是另外一個問題其實學測後考完五月中就開始各個學校要做面試那我們聽到我自己有點擔心其實也有學校老師在談到說會不會因為這次地震其實很多人可能就不敢去報名東華大學可能學測這一趴的面試大家都選擇放棄但是就少子化的招生東華大學可能就已經是相對困難不知道這個部分市長你有沒有跟學校討論過或是學校有沒有反映給教育部\n\n15\n00:04:57,975 --> 00:05:25,292\n跟委員報告其實在地震的第二天我就跟學長通過即時電話那我有詢問到這一塊因為那一天那時候整個交通可能是中斷的我們有提到說5月初如果要進行面試的話學生進不來怎麼辦所以目前道化大學已經跟我們大學招生委員會聯合會就招聯會這邊提議說他們今年的整個申請入學有關於面試的部分可能會比照防疫期間有些學校是停課的他們會把\n\n16\n00:05:26,893 --> 00:05:42,647\n會停辦面試而改以書審跟學測成績來做處理這樣學生在交通上也就可以不用到學校來面試那這部分招聯會原則上已經同意他現在已經報告你到部裡面來那我們會積極來處理好那這個部分我相信報名之前就會公佈\n\n17\n00:05:43,407 --> 00:06:06,659\n我相信我們尊重學校的判斷因為學校確實可能也很難第一時間照顧到這麼多外地來的準大學生所以如果學校確實有這個方向就請教育部全力支持因為像我自己的小孩他也已經收到不同學校的那個學測面試的通知單那假設第二輪他們必須要做一些調整是不是不管是後續通知的程序或是網站公告或是書面的部分也要拜託教育部積極協助東華大學好來下一個謝謝那謝謝司長謝謝那下一個要請教衛福部\n\n18\n00:06:12,142 --> 00:06:34,749\n其實在花蓮有非常多的兒少安置機構我現在照片上秀出來的秀林鄉凱歌園少年中途之家只是其中一個我相信衛福部一定非常清楚花蓮還有多少個兒少中途安置機構凱歌園是受損最嚴重幾乎是毀了他們的孩子已經住到別的地方去了他們現在甚至在更裝\n\n19\n00:06:36,210 --> 00:06:47,591\n東華大學的美倫校區在談新的作用的可能性但是我想要問目前衛福部有沒有積極掌握花蓮在地目前安置機構的這些學生或者是相關孩子們的狀態\n\n20\n00:06:49,120 --> 00:07:07,538\n跟委員報告因為這個業務是由我們其他社家屬的這個單位來做這個主管所以我可能還需要一點時間來了解他們掌握的情形但是我想對於這個弱勢的民眾的這個安置也是政府很重要的一個工作我們一定會盡力來協助\n\n21\n00:07:09,305 --> 00:07:22,572\n因為像以凱歌園為例他們的很多孩子是已經沒有家給回去的所以他們就必須住在安置機構裡頭所以如果是社家屬負責掌握這個資訊我們辦公室會再跟社家屬積極的討論希望後續可以快速協助這些安置機構的兒少\n\n22\n00:07:27,174 --> 00:07:42,052\n這邊就要麻煩一樣是衛福部我們看到有兩邊這個投影片一個是花蓮縣政府公告有四個救助項目這四項救助項目你們說有這個安遷鎮住要涉及並實際居住可是呢\n\n23\n00:07:42,953 --> 00:08:02,612\n花蓮縣政府的說法跟衛福部的說法看起來有很大的出入到底這個是不是需要涉及的已經讓當地的縣民搞不清楚狀況然後紛紛的找當地的議員或者是代表求救所以我想要請問一下衛福部在你們的震災基金會的要點裡面你們的本來的辦法裡面是沒有相關的戶籍限制\n\n24\n00:08:03,172 --> 00:08:29,804\n可是現在難道你們是授權給花蓮縣政府說你必須要涉及嗎還是你是涉及你沒有居住或是你有居住你沒有涉及這個相關的租金或者是相關的房屋補貼我覺得目前我們聽到的很多狀況是非常的混亂一直到今天要上質詢台之前我們跟花蓮的朋友們確定都還是一團混亂所以這邊我想不是質詢是拜託衛福部趕快跟花蓮縣政府確定一下到底目前是什麼方向跟狀態可以嗎\n\n25\n00:08:31,471 --> 00:08:59,091\n跟委員報告這個協助包括縣府的部分還有我們震災基金會那正好基金會今天的陳督導他有在會場是不是由他來跟您做一個說明好沒關係因為我時間到我再跟你們辦公室要資料但是我最後確認一件事情因為這裡面的震住要點裡面有租屋震住無異兒少老年跟生長者也就是很多我們關懷的弱勢族群他們很需要你們積極的協助他們可能甚至連要打電話給代表打電話給議員都不知道他們可能只能知道找里長所以拜託\n\n26\n00:08:59,631 --> 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初如果要進行面試的話學生進不來怎麼辦所以目前道化大學已經跟我們大學招生委員會聯合會就招聯會這邊提議說他們今年的整個申請入學有關於面試的部分可能會比照防疫期間有些學校是停課的他們會把\n會停辦面試而改以書審跟學測成績來做處理這樣學生在交通上也就可以不用到學校來面試那這部分招聯會原則上已經同意他現在已經報告你到部裡面來那我們會積極來處理好那這個部分我相信報名之前就會公佈\n我相信我們尊重學校的判斷因為學校確實可能也很難第一時間照顧到這麼多外地來的準大學生所以如果學校確實有這個方向就請教育部全力支持因為像我自己的小孩他也已經收到不同學校的那個學測面試的通知單那假設第二輪他們必須要做一些調整是不是不管是後續通知的程序或是網站公告或是書面的部分也要拜託教育部積極協助東華大學好來下一個謝謝那謝謝司長謝謝那下一個要請教衛福部\n其實在花蓮有非常多的兒少安置機構我現在照片上秀出來的秀林鄉凱歌園少年中途之家只是其中一個我相信衛福部一定非常清楚花蓮還有多少個兒少中途安置機構凱歌園是受損最嚴重幾乎是毀了他們的孩子已經住到別的地方去了他們現在甚至在更裝\n東華大學的美倫校區在談新的作用的可能性但是我想要問目前衛福部有沒有積極掌握花蓮在地目前安置機構的這些學生或者是相關孩子們的狀態\n跟委員報告因為這個業務是由我們其他社家屬的這個單位來做這個主管所以我可能還需要一點時間來了解他們掌握的情形但是我想對於這個弱勢的民眾的這個安置也是政府很重要的一個工作我們一定會盡力來協助\n因為像以凱歌園為例他們的很多孩子是已經沒有家給回去的所以他們就必須住在安置機構裡頭所以如果是社家屬負責掌握這個資訊我們辦公室會再跟社家屬積極的討論希望後續可以快速協助這些安置機構的兒少\n這邊就要麻煩一樣是衛福部我們看到有兩邊這個投影片一個是花蓮縣政府公告有四個救助項目這四項救助項目你們說有這個安遷鎮住要涉及並實際居住可是呢\n花蓮縣政府的說法跟衛福部的說法看起來有很大的出入到底這個是不是需要涉及的已經讓當地的縣民搞不清楚狀況然後紛紛的找當地的議員或者是代表求救所以我想要請問一下衛福部在你們的震災基金會的要點裡面你們的本來的辦法裡面是沒有相關的戶籍限制\n可是現在難道你們是授權給花蓮縣政府說你必須要涉及嗎還是你是涉及你沒有居住或是你有居住你沒有涉及這個相關的租金或者是相關的房屋補貼我覺得目前我們聽到的很多狀況是非常的混亂一直到今天要上質詢台之前我們跟花蓮的朋友們確定都還是一團混亂所以這邊我想不是質詢是拜託衛福部趕快跟花蓮縣政府確定一下到底目前是什麼方向跟狀態可以嗎\n跟委員報告這個協助包括縣府的部分還有我們震災基金會那正好基金會今天的陳督導他有在會場是不是由他來跟您做一個說明好沒關係因為我時間到我再跟你們辦公室要資料但是我最後確認一件事情因為這裡面的震住要點裡面有租屋震住無異兒少老年跟生長者也就是很多我們關懷的弱勢族群他們很需要你們積極的協助他們可能甚至連要打電話給代表打電話給議員都不知道他們可能只能知道找里長所以拜託\n那後續的資料我們也會再積極跟你們討論好嗎好謝謝謝謝主席謝謝好謝謝陳培英委員的質詢也謝謝司長也謝謝政災委員會的督導\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.735 --> 00:13.380\n好,謝謝主席,那我們先請教育部,謝謝我們請教育部的代理司長還是國小國中部代理司長,謝謝\n\n00:17.445 --> 00:40.071\n市長、代理市長午安我想要跟您確定一下第一個是東華大學部分因為我自己是東華的校友研究所畢業所以我想目前非常多學弟妹還有學校老師包含校長也都在跟我積極溝通關於東華那不管是學校重建的經費我想已經很多委員問過了我就不再重提但是我目前看到另外一個困境就是很多學生他們選擇沒有離開學校繼續留在學校上課\n\n00:43.212 --> 00:57.392\n目前學校上課的方法是線上跟實體並行可是我們看到另外一個困境就是目前的宿舍其實像這個照片上像這樣破破爛爛的宿舍其實非常非常多但是\n\n00:58.914 --> 01:21.353\n有的學生還是住在裡頭他們可能就是建簡單自己整理打掃因為基本上以學校所在地受風箱旁邊其實並沒有那麼多民宅可供出租而且在第一時間學校經歷過滅活事情還有其他很多事情其實也來不及幫學生整理這些宿舍的問題不知道目前教育部對於學生住宿的情況掌握程度\n\n01:21.713 --> 01:30.964\n跟後續有可能提供的協助可不可以說一說讓我們的家長們安心包含我自己辦公室的助理他的妹妹就在念東華大學那我想很多家長也會非常擔心\n\n01:33.751 --> 01:51.442\n目前東華大學大概5000床的宿舍裡面將近2000床的宿舍大概有不同程度的一個受損情形那也散落在不同的系所所以學校目前的做法有幾項短期來講在4月10號到4月26號他們先用彈性\n\n01:52.663 --> 02:09.225\n受扣的方式以可以有線上搭配一部分的實體目前我們有請學校積極跟學生溝通如果說可以的話可能在426到這個學期結束學校大概都會用一些線上的方式有點比照像我們先前防疫的時候以線上\n\n02:10.086 --> 02:30.789\n的方式來進行因為這樣子的話才有可能空出一些宿舍來做處理因為學校的狀況我們在4月10號有去看過目前這些有一些廁所因為它整個那個管線錯位跟天花板的問題大概不容易在這一兩個月馬上修復所以必須要空出一些宿舍\n\n02:31.409 --> 02:51.120\n所以在透過一些彈性修業的方式讓學生做一些調度第二個部裡面我們現在也請學校先優先先去盤出來說哪一些部分要先整修趕快報經費到部裡面來部裡面我們就會來指引那長期來講因為部裡面有在推新宿舍運動我們也會來協助學校趁這個時間點我們就來做一個宿舍的維修\n\n02:58.504 --> 03:25.473\n這樣聽起來就是目前災後有自己在協助然後同時還建議了新宿舍運動的可能性但是如同您剛剛說的您甚至還建議教育部從4月26號到期末是不是都乾脆採取彈性也就是實體跟線上並行的上課方法那我偷偷跟司長講一個好玩的事情喔很多學生他們就還是在宿舍裡面可是他就採取線上上課他想說反正你學校也就不點名有這個彈性那我們其實更擔心的是我們站在教育的立場怎麼說呢\n\n03:26.673 --> 03:43.161\n我們希望大家這個時候是共同展現我們對花蓮的支持跟韌性包含這次有很多的商家他們也告訴大家不用可憐我們你們要捐款你們有其他的選擇但是請支持我們的產業支持我們的農產品支持我們原本給大家提供的服務我相信東華大學師生應該有這樣的認知可是這個宿舍的部分我剛剛聽到看起來\n\n03:48.644 --> 04:10.571\n你們是積極建議學校到期末都採取這個方法那如果這個方向學校也可以接受大學生或是學校老師也都可以接受是不是就請教育部再更積極的去盤點我們剛剛說的把安全的地方競速盤點提供出來讓想要留在學校裡面的學生他們有安全的地方可以住然後到學期末離開學校之前這個部分至少是安全的好不好\n\n04:12.421 --> 04:29.097\n跟委員報告因為4月26號是不是停課到學期末這其實學校評估啦但是因為下長有跟我提過這個部分我有第一個要求就是說先跟學校跟學生要充分的溝通第二個就像委員提到的先控出大概另外在3000多床沒有受損的\n\n04:29.798 --> 04:57.255\n船位來做調查可是另外一個問題其實學測後考完五月中就開始各個學校要做面試那我們聽到我自己有點擔心其實也有學校老師在談到說會不會因為這次地震其實很多人可能就不敢去報名東華大學可能學測這一趴的面試大家都選擇放棄但是就少子化的招生東華大學可能就已經是相對困難不知道這個部分市長你有沒有跟學校討論過或是學校有沒有反映給教育部\n\n04:57.975 --> 05:25.292\n跟委員報告其實在地震的第二天我就跟學長通過即時電話那我有詢問到這一塊因為那一天那時候整個交通可能是中斷的我們有提到說5月初如果要進行面試的話學生進不來怎麼辦所以目前道化大學已經跟我們大學招生委員會聯合會就招聯會這邊提議說他們今年的整個申請入學有關於面試的部分可能會比照防疫期間有些學校是停課的他們會把\n\n05:26.893 --> 05:42.647\n會停辦面試而改以書審跟學測成績來做處理這樣學生在交通上也就可以不用到學校來面試那這部分招聯會原則上已經同意他現在已經報告你到部裡面來那我們會積極來處理好那這個部分我相信報名之前就會公佈\n\n05:43.407 --> 06:06.659\n我相信我們尊重學校的判斷因為學校確實可能也很難第一時間照顧到這麼多外地來的準大學生所以如果學校確實有這個方向就請教育部全力支持因為像我自己的小孩他也已經收到不同學校的那個學測面試的通知單那假設第二輪他們必須要做一些調整是不是不管是後續通知的程序或是網站公告或是書面的部分也要拜託教育部積極協助東華大學好來下一個謝謝那謝謝司長謝謝那下一個要請教衛福部\n\n06:12.142 --> 06:34.749\n其實在花蓮有非常多的兒少安置機構我現在照片上秀出來的秀林鄉凱歌園少年中途之家只是其中一個我相信衛福部一定非常清楚花蓮還有多少個兒少中途安置機構凱歌園是受損最嚴重幾乎是毀了他們的孩子已經住到別的地方去了他們現在甚至在更裝\n\n06:36.210 --> 06:47.591\n東華大學的美倫校區在談新的作用的可能性但是我想要問目前衛福部有沒有積極掌握花蓮在地目前安置機構的這些學生或者是相關孩子們的狀態\n\n06:49.120 --> 07:07.538\n跟委員報告因為這個業務是由我們其他社家屬的這個單位來做這個主管所以我可能還需要一點時間來了解他們掌握的情形但是我想對於這個弱勢的民眾的這個安置也是政府很重要的一個工作我們一定會盡力來協助\n\n07:09.305 --> 07:22.572\n因為像以凱歌園為例他們的很多孩子是已經沒有家給回去的所以他們就必須住在安置機構裡頭所以如果是社家屬負責掌握這個資訊我們辦公室會再跟社家屬積極的討論希望後續可以快速協助這些安置機構的兒少\n\n07:27.174 --> 07:42.052\n這邊就要麻煩一樣是衛福部我們看到有兩邊這個投影片一個是花蓮縣政府公告有四個救助項目這四項救助項目你們說有這個安遷鎮住要涉及並實際居住可是呢\n\n07:42.953 --> 08:02.612\n花蓮縣政府的說法跟衛福部的說法看起來有很大的出入到底這個是不是需要涉及的已經讓當地的縣民搞不清楚狀況然後紛紛的找當地的議員或者是代表求救所以我想要請問一下衛福部在你們的震災基金會的要點裡面你們的本來的辦法裡面是沒有相關的戶籍限制\n\n08:03.172 --> 08:29.804\n可是現在難道你們是授權給花蓮縣政府說你必須要涉及嗎還是你是涉及你沒有居住或是你有居住你沒有涉及這個相關的租金或者是相關的房屋補貼我覺得目前我們聽到的很多狀況是非常的混亂一直到今天要上質詢台之前我們跟花蓮的朋友們確定都還是一團混亂所以這邊我想不是質詢是拜託衛福部趕快跟花蓮縣政府確定一下到底目前是什麼方向跟狀態可以嗎\n\n08:31.471 --> 08:59.091\n跟委員報告這個協助包括縣府的部分還有我們震災基金會那正好基金會今天的陳督導他有在會場是不是由他來跟您做一個說明好沒關係因為我時間到我再跟你們辦公室要資料但是我最後確認一件事情因為這裡面的震住要點裡面有租屋震住無異兒少老年跟生長者也就是很多我們關懷的弱勢族群他們很需要你們積極的協助他們可能甚至連要打電話給代表打電話給議員都不知道他們可能只能知道找里長所以拜託\n\n08:59.631 --> 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