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00:02:38,840\n還是你們要等到下一次再有類似大的社會案件然後再有別人來告訴你們要做封網才會後續做這個事情但是因為我是外圍時間有限我想後續我們再跟訴發部去討論那這一次的事件我們其實看到另外一個更大的困境其實很多的孩子很多的兒少他們並不知道\n\n8\n00:02:39,801 --> 00:03:02,532\n後續會發生這樣的事情不管是偷拍或是透過威脅利誘或是其他的方法讓他們是被動或是主動的提供這些不雅的影像我要說其實在很多第一線現場我們看到這個個案它不會只是個案其實有非常非常多案件在台灣各地在發生其實甚至是全世界喔所以我想要知道目前我當然知道教育部有積極在進行平等教育家庭教育還有很多政策的宣導\n\n9\n00:03:03,132 --> 00:03:29,049\n可是我們到底有沒有更積極的作為關於數法部或者是法務部這邊我們的想像所以我這邊想要積極的要求你們在3個月內提供針對架設於海外的違法網站還有海外行為人進行處置規劃的報告也就是說剛剛那個警察說的IP在海外或是收錢網站在海外到底我們台灣的行政機關可以更積極的做些什麼而不是只是說他在海外我們就好像什麼事都不能做了\n\n10\n00:03:29,389 --> 00:03:51,211\n再來有沒有機會在3個月內提供針對現行的教育還有衛生部門請找他們跨部會討論關於防範兒少如何遭受威脅利誘或提供不雅影像的政策規劃報告也就是說我們要更積極的協助兒少而不是把過去認為數位素養這課程都丟給教育部就沒事了這個部分我其實希望數法部跟法務部可以更積極的承擔相關的業務\n\n11\n00:03:54,379 --> 00:04:01,699\n謝謝委員指導我那我們配合辦理好那我們辦公室也會持續追蹤好嗎好謝謝那兩位請回謝謝那接下來有請薛部長謝謝\n\n12\n00:04:08,709 --> 00:04:33,219\n好部長午安我們來看一下我想這個事件我先跟部長分享一個研究報告這個國家人權委員會他們在這次事件之後他們快速寫了一個新聞稿告訴大家雖然在2023年已經修正兒少性剝削防治條例也強化兒少性剝削的防治作為也就是說其實我們並不是沒有修法的可是困境是數位科技發展迅速導致於性剝削樣態多元而且複雜\n\n13\n00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:56,838\n那除了相關的法制可以更周延相關的配套可以更周延之外我們有沒有機會一起努力倡議提升社會大眾對於防治兒童色情問題還有網路性剝削的認知還有數位的素養落實CRC第34條的精神讓所有兒童免於一切形式的性剝削不知道這一段話部長你有沒有印象\n\n14\n00:04:58,039 --> 00:05:22,245\n這倡議的話是沒有問題的是好我們都相信是沒有問題那我們來看一下現場到底發生了什麼問題一個比較具體的建議我想先跟部長分享一下基本上在偵查數位性犯罪的時候其實警政司法發動相關調查對不對可是他們對於數位的專業知能跟訓練這個部分有沒有機會是由衛福部來主動發起跨部會增進相關單位的數位專業知能\n\n15\n00:05:24,225 --> 00:05:38,785\n讓他們在面對類似個案或是類似新聞事件的時候他們可以有立刻的作為不管是防止擴散或者是防止造成更大的傷害衛福部有沒有機會作為兒少性剝削防制條例的主管機關積極的跟警政跟司法單位的聯繫合作\n\n16\n00:05:40,314 --> 00:05:55,315\n這個聯繫合作是沒有問題而且一般來講如果說他是一個兒少性剝削的犯罪行為的話那基本上去做初步的判斷是衛福部是可以來做的現在問題是\n\n17\n00:05:57,113 --> 00:06:02,076\n那接下來講最後一個就是關於金流的部分大家現在看到是影像的儲存或者是購買\n\n18\n00:06:14,102 --> 00:06:30,527\n可是後續的金流其實也是很大的問題我相信部長你一定清楚我就不再贅述可是後續的這些不尋常的金流交易其實需要及時的阻斷而為了根絕這些數位性犯罪者的金源衛福部、數發部跟金融管會有沒有機會在一個月內做通盤性的討論\n\n19\n00:06:32,906 --> 00:06:48,074\n一個月內來做討論是沒有問題但是要找出真正的解決可能沒有辦法那麼快好沒關係但至少我們先進行討論尤其是晶圓的部分好嗎好謝謝部長那接下來想要看一下其實後續除了這個\n\n20\n00:06:49,455 --> 00:07:16,516\n黃先生的影片後來引發很多網紅在網路上的討論但是我想跟部長分享一下關於網紅我們怎麼看一個大明星納塔莉波曼她自己都說如果你問我的小孩或是問現在十幾歲的年輕人關於電影明星他們根本不認識因為他們只認識網路上的YouTuber或是網路上的KOL意見領袖我相信部長你應該有感覺衛福部在做很多相關政策宣導的時候現在也都會意識到要找KOL對嗎要找網紅\n\n21\n00:07:18,237 --> 00:07:20,280\n這次我們看到了這個童先生還有相關的事情已經發生了我們忽略他的個案我們來看\n\n22\n00:07:35,859 --> 00:07:49,810\n其實他的所有言論對於數位人權的侵犯其實非常非常嚴重但是台灣的很多民眾對於數位人權侵犯這一塊是非常陌生跟不熟悉的所以有沒有機會我們要拜託教育部、數發部還有通傳會跟衛福部一起\n\n23\n00:07:52,612 --> 00:08:11,491\n來面對這個很可怕的問題就是我剛剛說的面對爭議的言論必須要加強媒體素養可是因為這一次的個案是落在兒少事件所以衛福部當然在後續的很多事情當中當然也必然會有角色所以有沒有機會在我們看到教育部是不是請可以回應一下\n\n24\n00:08:12,051 --> 00:08:27,583\n教育部你們在今天的報告裡面也說你們會跨部會教育宣導資源推動數位網路性別暴力防制專案諮詢會議你們預計每4個月要開一次可不可以以後調到3個月然後甚至你們要協同衛福部、抒發部、通傳會根據相關兒少色情問題的媒體素養教育擴大推動召開相關的研商會議\n\n25\n00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:54,574\n這個部分因為是跨部會我們再跟其他部會再協調一下好那這個部分我們也會再追蹤主席對不起再給我30秒就好好那很多位我們剛剛談到自媒體我要跟部長跟幾位相關不同的部會分享其實自媒體他們也有社會責任以前通傳會可能認為他們只要管電視媒體就好但是網路媒體我們看到丹麥他們已經在倡議立法\n\n26\n00:08:56,155 --> 00:09:21,132\n要把追蹤者達到一定人數的網紅視為新聞媒體他們必須遵守相關報導倫理跟原則包含他們有事實查核的義務而在美國也開始提出歐盟執委會也開始提出針對網紅的生態要成消費者權益這裡保護往下做所以我要再次提醒不管是任何部會只要相關跟這個網路媒體有關係我覺得大家不應該再只認為只有數發布或是通傳會的責任甚至我們台灣有沒有幾張\n\n27\n00:09:22,293 --> 00:09:33,591\n的強制的律法去面對這些網紅的言論跟他們應該負的社會責任這邊我要再次提醒請各個部會積極研議這個事情我們辦公室也會持續追蹤好謝謝謝謝謝謝主席\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3956\t12014\t好謝謝主席我請法務部跟訴發部謝謝好請法務部訴發部代表\n18186\t39875\t好那最近關於這個黃子佼新聞我就不再多說可是我們看到另外一個現象我來下一頁不好意思這個有一個偷拍的受害人他在這個D卡上說他看了這個新聞之後他才發現他自己是創意私房的受害者之一那不知道這個相關的法文數法部跟法務部有沒有看過\n42033\t42714\t報告委員我沒有看到\n60666\t85001\t也是受害者可是他去報案的時候警察跟他說這抓不到啦因為IP在海外我們都可以理解這是目前遇到最大的困境可是前幾天衛福部才發文請訴發布禁止連結這個非法的網站可是我們知道科技的日新月異這件事情我們到底還有什麼方法因為只要網站一改網域一改其實封的網站又可以連進去了嘛我想訴發布應該比誰都還要清楚喔所以\n87162\t113755\t封網這個動作我覺得確實是一個很重要的宣誓性的意義可是我們到底後續還有沒有其他的方法可以防堵後續的事情在發生跟委員報告那這個以現在這個所謂的封網那或我們在實際上的作為我們其實叫做停滯解析是我們目前評估過最有效可以最快速來降低這個傷害的地方\n114355\t139143\t那所以就數位部後續的這個精進作為來講還是跟委員報告我們可能會從兩個面向來看第一個在制度面機制面的部分的話其實就是我們可以配合這個相關的這個部會以及利害關係人來研究如何在精進這個所謂的好那這個研究跟這個跨部會的討論你們目前有進度打算多久以內召開相關的進度會議嗎\n141962\t158840\t還是你們要等到下一次再有類似大的社會案件然後再有別人來告訴你們要做封網才會後續做這個事情但是因為我是外圍時間有限我想後續我們再跟訴發部去討論那這一次的事件我們其實看到另外一個更大的困境其實很多的孩子很多的兒少他們並不知道\n159801\t182532\t後續會發生這樣的事情不管是偷拍或是透過威脅利誘或是其他的方法讓他們是被動或是主動的提供這些不雅的影像我要說其實在很多第一線現場我們看到這個個案它不會只是個案其實有非常非常多案件在台灣各地在發生其實甚至是全世界喔所以我想要知道目前我當然知道教育部有積極在進行平等教育家庭教育還有很多政策的宣導\n183132\t209049\t可是我們到底有沒有更積極的作為關於數法部或者是法務部這邊我們的想像所以我這邊想要積極的要求你們在3個月內提供針對架設於海外的違法網站還有海外行為人進行處置規劃的報告也就是說剛剛那個警察說的IP在海外或是收錢網站在海外到底我們台灣的行政機關可以更積極的做些什麼而不是只是說他在海外我們就好像什麼事都不能做了\n209389\t231211\t再來有沒有機會在3個月內提供針對現行的教育還有衛生部門請找他們跨部會討論關於防範兒少如何遭受威脅利誘或提供不雅影像的政策規劃報告也就是說我們要更積極的協助兒少而不是把過去認為數位素養這課程都丟給教育部就沒事了這個部分我其實希望數法部跟法務部可以更積極的承擔相關的業務\n234379\t241699\t謝謝委員指導我那我們配合辦理好那我們辦公室也會持續追蹤好嗎好謝謝那兩位請回謝謝那接下來有請薛部長謝謝\n248709\t273219\t好部長午安我們來看一下我想這個事件我先跟部長分享一個研究報告這個國家人權委員會他們在這次事件之後他們快速寫了一個新聞稿告訴大家雖然在2023年已經修正兒少性剝削防治條例也強化兒少性剝削的防治作為也就是說其實我們並不是沒有修法的可是困境是數位科技發展迅速導致於性剝削樣態多元而且複雜\n275120\t296838\t那除了相關的法制可以更周延相關的配套可以更周延之外我們有沒有機會一起努力倡議提升社會大眾對於防治兒童色情問題還有網路性剝削的認知還有數位的素養落實CRC第34條的精神讓所有兒童免於一切形式的性剝削不知道這一段話部長你有沒有印象\n298039\t322245\t這倡議的話是沒有問題的是好我們都相信是沒有問題那我們來看一下現場到底發生了什麼問題一個比較具體的建議我想先跟部長分享一下基本上在偵查數位性犯罪的時候其實警政司法發動相關調查對不對可是他們對於數位的專業知能跟訓練這個部分有沒有機會是由衛福部來主動發起跨部會增進相關單位的數位專業知能\n324225\t338785\t讓他們在面對類似個案或是類似新聞事件的時候他們可以有立刻的作為不管是防止擴散或者是防止造成更大的傷害衛福部有沒有機會作為兒少性剝削防制條例的主管機關積極的跟警政跟司法單位的聯繫合作\n340314\t355315\t這個聯繫合作是沒有問題而且一般來講如果說他是一個兒少性剝削的犯罪行為的話那基本上去做初步的判斷是衛福部是可以來做的現在問題是\n357113\t362076\t那接下來講最後一個就是關於金流的部分大家現在看到是影像的儲存或者是購買\n374102\t390527\t可是後續的金流其實也是很大的問題我相信部長你一定清楚我就不再贅述可是後續的這些不尋常的金流交易其實需要及時的阻斷而為了根絕這些數位性犯罪者的金源衛福部、數發部跟金融管會有沒有機會在一個月內做通盤性的討論\n392906\t408074\t一個月內來做討論是沒有問題但是要找出真正的解決可能沒有辦法那麼快好沒關係但至少我們先進行討論尤其是晶圓的部分好嗎好謝謝部長那接下來想要看一下其實後續除了這個\n409455\t436516\t黃先生的影片後來引發很多網紅在網路上的討論但是我想跟部長分享一下關於網紅我們怎麼看一個大明星納塔莉波曼她自己都說如果你問我的小孩或是問現在十幾歲的年輕人關於電影明星他們根本不認識因為他們只認識網路上的YouTuber或是網路上的KOL意見領袖我相信部長你應該有感覺衛福部在做很多相關政策宣導的時候現在也都會意識到要找KOL對嗎要找網紅\n438237\t440280\t這次我們看到了這個童先生還有相關的事情已經發生了我們忽略他的個案我們來看\n455859\t469810\t其實他的所有言論對於數位人權的侵犯其實非常非常嚴重但是台灣的很多民眾對於數位人權侵犯這一塊是非常陌生跟不熟悉的所以有沒有機會我們要拜託教育部、數發部還有通傳會跟衛福部一起\n472612\t491491\t來面對這個很可怕的問題就是我剛剛說的面對爭議的言論必須要加強媒體素養可是因為這一次的個案是落在兒少事件所以衛福部當然在後續的很多事情當中當然也必然會有角色所以有沒有機會在我們看到教育部是不是請可以回應一下\n492051\t507583\t教育部你們在今天的報告裡面也說你們會跨部會教育宣導資源推動數位網路性別暴力防制專案諮詢會議你們預計每4個月要開一次可不可以以後調到3個月然後甚至你們要協同衛福部、抒發部、通傳會根據相關兒少色情問題的媒體素養教育擴大推動召開相關的研商會議\n514040\t534574\t這個部分因為是跨部會我們再跟其他部會再協調一下好那這個部分我們也會再追蹤主席對不起再給我30秒就好好那很多位我們剛剛談到自媒體我要跟部長跟幾位相關不同的部會分享其實自媒體他們也有社會責任以前通傳會可能認為他們只要管電視媒體就好但是網路媒體我們看到丹麥他們已經在倡議立法\n536155\t561132\t要把追蹤者達到一定人數的網紅視為新聞媒體他們必須遵守相關報導倫理跟原則包含他們有事實查核的義務而在美國也開始提出歐盟執委會也開始提出針對網紅的生態要成消費者權益這裡保護往下做所以我要再次提醒不管是任何部會只要相關跟這個網路媒體有關係我覺得大家不應該再只認為只有數發布或是通傳會的責任甚至我們台灣有沒有幾張\n562293\t573591\t的強制的律法去面對這些網紅的言論跟他們應該負的社會責任這邊我要再次提醒請各個部會積極研議這個事情我們辦公室也會持續追蹤好謝謝謝謝謝謝主席\n","txt":"好謝謝主席我請法務部跟訴發部謝謝好請法務部訴發部代表\n好那最近關於這個黃子佼新聞我就不再多說可是我們看到另外一個現象我來下一頁不好意思這個有一個偷拍的受害人他在這個D卡上說他看了這個新聞之後他才發現他自己是創意私房的受害者之一那不知道這個相關的法文數法部跟法務部有沒有看過\n報告委員我沒有看到\n也是受害者可是他去報案的時候警察跟他說這抓不到啦因為IP在海外我們都可以理解這是目前遇到最大的困境可是前幾天衛福部才發文請訴發布禁止連結這個非法的網站可是我們知道科技的日新月異這件事情我們到底還有什麼方法因為只要網站一改網域一改其實封的網站又可以連進去了嘛我想訴發布應該比誰都還要清楚喔所以\n封網這個動作我覺得確實是一個很重要的宣誓性的意義可是我們到底後續還有沒有其他的方法可以防堵後續的事情在發生跟委員報告那這個以現在這個所謂的封網那或我們在實際上的作為我們其實叫做停滯解析是我們目前評估過最有效可以最快速來降低這個傷害的地方\n那所以就數位部後續的這個精進作為來講還是跟委員報告我們可能會從兩個面向來看第一個在制度面機制面的部分的話其實就是我們可以配合這個相關的這個部會以及利害關係人來研究如何在精進這個所謂的好那這個研究跟這個跨部會的討論你們目前有進度打算多久以內召開相關的進度會議嗎\n還是你們要等到下一次再有類似大的社會案件然後再有別人來告訴你們要做封網才會後續做這個事情但是因為我是外圍時間有限我想後續我們再跟訴發部去討論那這一次的事件我們其實看到另外一個更大的困境其實很多的孩子很多的兒少他們並不知道\n後續會發生這樣的事情不管是偷拍或是透過威脅利誘或是其他的方法讓他們是被動或是主動的提供這些不雅的影像我要說其實在很多第一線現場我們看到這個個案它不會只是個案其實有非常非常多案件在台灣各地在發生其實甚至是全世界喔所以我想要知道目前我當然知道教育部有積極在進行平等教育家庭教育還有很多政策的宣導\n可是我們到底有沒有更積極的作為關於數法部或者是法務部這邊我們的想像所以我這邊想要積極的要求你們在3個月內提供針對架設於海外的違法網站還有海外行為人進行處置規劃的報告也就是說剛剛那個警察說的IP在海外或是收錢網站在海外到底我們台灣的行政機關可以更積極的做些什麼而不是只是說他在海外我們就好像什麼事都不能做了\n再來有沒有機會在3個月內提供針對現行的教育還有衛生部門請找他們跨部會討論關於防範兒少如何遭受威脅利誘或提供不雅影像的政策規劃報告也就是說我們要更積極的協助兒少而不是把過去認為數位素養這課程都丟給教育部就沒事了這個部分我其實希望數法部跟法務部可以更積極的承擔相關的業務\n謝謝委員指導我那我們配合辦理好那我們辦公室也會持續追蹤好嗎好謝謝那兩位請回謝謝那接下來有請薛部長謝謝\n好部長午安我們來看一下我想這個事件我先跟部長分享一個研究報告這個國家人權委員會他們在這次事件之後他們快速寫了一個新聞稿告訴大家雖然在2023年已經修正兒少性剝削防治條例也強化兒少性剝削的防治作為也就是說其實我們並不是沒有修法的可是困境是數位科技發展迅速導致於性剝削樣態多元而且複雜\n那除了相關的法制可以更周延相關的配套可以更周延之外我們有沒有機會一起努力倡議提升社會大眾對於防治兒童色情問題還有網路性剝削的認知還有數位的素養落實CRC第34條的精神讓所有兒童免於一切形式的性剝削不知道這一段話部長你有沒有印象\n這倡議的話是沒有問題的是好我們都相信是沒有問題那我們來看一下現場到底發生了什麼問題一個比較具體的建議我想先跟部長分享一下基本上在偵查數位性犯罪的時候其實警政司法發動相關調查對不對可是他們對於數位的專業知能跟訓練這個部分有沒有機會是由衛福部來主動發起跨部會增進相關單位的數位專業知能\n讓他們在面對類似個案或是類似新聞事件的時候他們可以有立刻的作為不管是防止擴散或者是防止造成更大的傷害衛福部有沒有機會作為兒少性剝削防制條例的主管機關積極的跟警政跟司法單位的聯繫合作\n這個聯繫合作是沒有問題而且一般來講如果說他是一個兒少性剝削的犯罪行為的話那基本上去做初步的判斷是衛福部是可以來做的現在問題是\n那接下來講最後一個就是關於金流的部分大家現在看到是影像的儲存或者是購買\n可是後續的金流其實也是很大的問題我相信部長你一定清楚我就不再贅述可是後續的這些不尋常的金流交易其實需要及時的阻斷而為了根絕這些數位性犯罪者的金源衛福部、數發部跟金融管會有沒有機會在一個月內做通盤性的討論\n一個月內來做討論是沒有問題但是要找出真正的解決可能沒有辦法那麼快好沒關係但至少我們先進行討論尤其是晶圓的部分好嗎好謝謝部長那接下來想要看一下其實後續除了這個\n黃先生的影片後來引發很多網紅在網路上的討論但是我想跟部長分享一下關於網紅我們怎麼看一個大明星納塔莉波曼她自己都說如果你問我的小孩或是問現在十幾歲的年輕人關於電影明星他們根本不認識因為他們只認識網路上的YouTuber或是網路上的KOL意見領袖我相信部長你應該有感覺衛福部在做很多相關政策宣導的時候現在也都會意識到要找KOL對嗎要找網紅\n這次我們看到了這個童先生還有相關的事情已經發生了我們忽略他的個案我們來看\n其實他的所有言論對於數位人權的侵犯其實非常非常嚴重但是台灣的很多民眾對於數位人權侵犯這一塊是非常陌生跟不熟悉的所以有沒有機會我們要拜託教育部、數發部還有通傳會跟衛福部一起\n來面對這個很可怕的問題就是我剛剛說的面對爭議的言論必須要加強媒體素養可是因為這一次的個案是落在兒少事件所以衛福部當然在後續的很多事情當中當然也必然會有角色所以有沒有機會在我們看到教育部是不是請可以回應一下\n教育部你們在今天的報告裡面也說你們會跨部會教育宣導資源推動數位網路性別暴力防制專案諮詢會議你們預計每4個月要開一次可不可以以後調到3個月然後甚至你們要協同衛福部、抒發部、通傳會根據相關兒少色情問題的媒體素養教育擴大推動召開相關的研商會議\n這個部分因為是跨部會我們再跟其他部會再協調一下好那這個部分我們也會再追蹤主席對不起再給我30秒就好好那很多位我們剛剛談到自媒體我要跟部長跟幾位相關不同的部會分享其實自媒體他們也有社會責任以前通傳會可能認為他們只要管電視媒體就好但是網路媒體我們看到丹麥他們已經在倡議立法\n要把追蹤者達到一定人數的網紅視為新聞媒體他們必須遵守相關報導倫理跟原則包含他們有事實查核的義務而在美國也開始提出歐盟執委會也開始提出針對網紅的生態要成消費者權益這裡保護往下做所以我要再次提醒不管是任何部會只要相關跟這個網路媒體有關係我覺得大家不應該再只認為只有數發布或是通傳會的責任甚至我們台灣有沒有幾張\n的強制的律法去面對這些網紅的言論跟他們應該負的社會責任這邊我要再次提醒請各個部會積極研議這個事情我們辦公室也會持續追蹤好謝謝謝謝謝謝主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.956 --> 00:12.014\n好謝謝主席我請法務部跟訴發部謝謝好請法務部訴發部代表\n\n00:18.186 --> 00:39.875\n好那最近關於這個黃子佼新聞我就不再多說可是我們看到另外一個現象我來下一頁不好意思這個有一個偷拍的受害人他在這個D卡上說他看了這個新聞之後他才發現他自己是創意私房的受害者之一那不知道這個相關的法文數法部跟法務部有沒有看過\n\n00:42.033 --> 00:42.714\n報告委員我沒有看到\n\n01:00.666 --> 01:25.001\n也是受害者可是他去報案的時候警察跟他說這抓不到啦因為IP在海外我們都可以理解這是目前遇到最大的困境可是前幾天衛福部才發文請訴發布禁止連結這個非法的網站可是我們知道科技的日新月異這件事情我們到底還有什麼方法因為只要網站一改網域一改其實封的網站又可以連進去了嘛我想訴發布應該比誰都還要清楚喔所以\n\n01:27.162 --> 01:53.755\n封網這個動作我覺得確實是一個很重要的宣誓性的意義可是我們到底後續還有沒有其他的方法可以防堵後續的事情在發生跟委員報告那這個以現在這個所謂的封網那或我們在實際上的作為我們其實叫做停滯解析是我們目前評估過最有效可以最快速來降低這個傷害的地方\n\n01:54.355 --> 02:19.143\n那所以就數位部後續的這個精進作為來講還是跟委員報告我們可能會從兩個面向來看第一個在制度面機制面的部分的話其實就是我們可以配合這個相關的這個部會以及利害關係人來研究如何在精進這個所謂的好那這個研究跟這個跨部會的討論你們目前有進度打算多久以內召開相關的進度會議嗎\n\n02:21.962 --> 02:38.840\n還是你們要等到下一次再有類似大的社會案件然後再有別人來告訴你們要做封網才會後續做這個事情但是因為我是外圍時間有限我想後續我們再跟訴發部去討論那這一次的事件我們其實看到另外一個更大的困境其實很多的孩子很多的兒少他們並不知道\n\n02:39.801 --> 03:02.532\n後續會發生這樣的事情不管是偷拍或是透過威脅利誘或是其他的方法讓他們是被動或是主動的提供這些不雅的影像我要說其實在很多第一線現場我們看到這個個案它不會只是個案其實有非常非常多案件在台灣各地在發生其實甚至是全世界喔所以我想要知道目前我當然知道教育部有積極在進行平等教育家庭教育還有很多政策的宣導\n\n03:03.132 --> 03:29.049\n可是我們到底有沒有更積極的作為關於數法部或者是法務部這邊我們的想像所以我這邊想要積極的要求你們在3個月內提供針對架設於海外的違法網站還有海外行為人進行處置規劃的報告也就是說剛剛那個警察說的IP在海外或是收錢網站在海外到底我們台灣的行政機關可以更積極的做些什麼而不是只是說他在海外我們就好像什麼事都不能做了\n\n03:29.389 --> 03:51.211\n再來有沒有機會在3個月內提供針對現行的教育還有衛生部門請找他們跨部會討論關於防範兒少如何遭受威脅利誘或提供不雅影像的政策規劃報告也就是說我們要更積極的協助兒少而不是把過去認為數位素養這課程都丟給教育部就沒事了這個部分我其實希望數法部跟法務部可以更積極的承擔相關的業務\n\n03:54.379 --> 04:01.699\n謝謝委員指導我那我們配合辦理好那我們辦公室也會持續追蹤好嗎好謝謝那兩位請回謝謝那接下來有請薛部長謝謝\n\n04:08.709 --> 04:33.219\n好部長午安我們來看一下我想這個事件我先跟部長分享一個研究報告這個國家人權委員會他們在這次事件之後他們快速寫了一個新聞稿告訴大家雖然在2023年已經修正兒少性剝削防治條例也強化兒少性剝削的防治作為也就是說其實我們並不是沒有修法的可是困境是數位科技發展迅速導致於性剝削樣態多元而且複雜\n\n04:35.120 --> 04:56.838\n那除了相關的法制可以更周延相關的配套可以更周延之外我們有沒有機會一起努力倡議提升社會大眾對於防治兒童色情問題還有網路性剝削的認知還有數位的素養落實CRC第34條的精神讓所有兒童免於一切形式的性剝削不知道這一段話部長你有沒有印象\n\n04:58.039 --> 05:22.245\n這倡議的話是沒有問題的是好我們都相信是沒有問題那我們來看一下現場到底發生了什麼問題一個比較具體的建議我想先跟部長分享一下基本上在偵查數位性犯罪的時候其實警政司法發動相關調查對不對可是他們對於數位的專業知能跟訓練這個部分有沒有機會是由衛福部來主動發起跨部會增進相關單位的數位專業知能\n\n05:24.225 --> 05:38.785\n讓他們在面對類似個案或是類似新聞事件的時候他們可以有立刻的作為不管是防止擴散或者是防止造成更大的傷害衛福部有沒有機會作為兒少性剝削防制條例的主管機關積極的跟警政跟司法單位的聯繫合作\n\n05:40.314 --> 05:55.315\n這個聯繫合作是沒有問題而且一般來講如果說他是一個兒少性剝削的犯罪行為的話那基本上去做初步的判斷是衛福部是可以來做的現在問題是\n\n05:57.113 --> 06:02.076\n那接下來講最後一個就是關於金流的部分大家現在看到是影像的儲存或者是購買\n\n06:14.102 --> 06:30.527\n可是後續的金流其實也是很大的問題我相信部長你一定清楚我就不再贅述可是後續的這些不尋常的金流交易其實需要及時的阻斷而為了根絕這些數位性犯罪者的金源衛福部、數發部跟金融管會有沒有機會在一個月內做通盤性的討論\n\n06:32.906 --> 06:48.074\n一個月內來做討論是沒有問題但是要找出真正的解決可能沒有辦法那麼快好沒關係但至少我們先進行討論尤其是晶圓的部分好嗎好謝謝部長那接下來想要看一下其實後續除了這個\n\n06:49.455 --> 07:16.516\n黃先生的影片後來引發很多網紅在網路上的討論但是我想跟部長分享一下關於網紅我們怎麼看一個大明星納塔莉波曼她自己都說如果你問我的小孩或是問現在十幾歲的年輕人關於電影明星他們根本不認識因為他們只認識網路上的YouTuber或是網路上的KOL意見領袖我相信部長你應該有感覺衛福部在做很多相關政策宣導的時候現在也都會意識到要找KOL對嗎要找網紅\n\n07:18.237 --> 07:20.280\n這次我們看到了這個童先生還有相關的事情已經發生了我們忽略他的個案我們來看\n\n07:35.859 --> 07:49.810\n其實他的所有言論對於數位人權的侵犯其實非常非常嚴重但是台灣的很多民眾對於數位人權侵犯這一塊是非常陌生跟不熟悉的所以有沒有機會我們要拜託教育部、數發部還有通傳會跟衛福部一起\n\n07:52.612 --> 08:11.491\n來面對這個很可怕的問題就是我剛剛說的面對爭議的言論必須要加強媒體素養可是因為這一次的個案是落在兒少事件所以衛福部當然在後續的很多事情當中當然也必然會有角色所以有沒有機會在我們看到教育部是不是請可以回應一下\n\n08:12.051 --> 08:27.583\n教育部你們在今天的報告裡面也說你們會跨部會教育宣導資源推動數位網路性別暴力防制專案諮詢會議你們預計每4個月要開一次可不可以以後調到3個月然後甚至你們要協同衛福部、抒發部、通傳會根據相關兒少色情問題的媒體素養教育擴大推動召開相關的研商會議\n\n08:34.040 --> 08:54.574\n這個部分因為是跨部會我們再跟其他部會再協調一下好那這個部分我們也會再追蹤主席對不起再給我30秒就好好那很多位我們剛剛談到自媒體我要跟部長跟幾位相關不同的部會分享其實自媒體他們也有社會責任以前通傳會可能認為他們只要管電視媒體就好但是網路媒體我們看到丹麥他們已經在倡議立法\n\n08:56.155 --> 09:21.132\n要把追蹤者達到一定人數的網紅視為新聞媒體他們必須遵守相關報導倫理跟原則包含他們有事實查核的義務而在美國也開始提出歐盟執委會也開始提出針對網紅的生態要成消費者權益這裡保護往下做所以我要再次提醒不管是任何部會只要相關跟這個網路媒體有關係我覺得大家不應該再只認為只有數發布或是通傳會的責任甚至我們台灣有沒有幾張\n\n09:22.293 --> 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