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00:01:48,369\n檢探才是我們真正希望要達到的所以我們不要集中在碳稅、碳費這個議題所以第一個我覺得淨零排放、檢探這個是重要的議題第二個當然就是資源形態我想今天我們開這個委員會大家也是很關心就是說這個地球的資源有限那特別是今年這個廖委員\n\n6\n00:01:53,331 --> 00:02:03,596\n韓國聯合國全球的社交公約希望能夠在今年納入一個法律的一個位階那大家共同來檢討\n\n7\n00:02:04,036 --> 00:02:04,096\n﹝廖偉翔﹞\n\n8\n00:02:33,915 --> 00:02:58,294\n還是整個環環弄好謝謝部長所以你剛剛最後有提到這個垃圾廢棄物的處理那今天你在書面報告第6頁的表格裡面有說到目前的電池廢棄循環法規在還有電池廢棄測試標準裡面其實都還在訂定那至於所謂的離電池創新技術的發展在環境部裡面有用到一些措辭像是修辭像是促進或是加強\n\n9\n00:02:59,435 --> 00:03:06,606\n想請教我們的部長如何促進跟如何加強你們有什麼具體的我們的政策作為有什麼具體的方向嗎?\n\n10\n00:03:07,909 --> 00:03:33,861\n我想我們可以透過回收基金可以這些業者或者研究單位一些鼓勵讓他們來共同研發因為不只是鋰電池我想包括現在大家很關心的太陽能板甚至是風力發電的葉片等等這些回收的那我們希望透過環境部可以掌控的基金\n\n11\n00:03:35,401 --> 00:03:47,727\n好部長我們來看看國際間有一些案例喔像在英國的政府節制在一年前的此刻他至少已經支柱超過4億英鎊大概是150億的合資用來專攻這個電池的開發跟回收利用\n\n12\n00:03:51,828 --> 00:04:14,463\n甚至英國的研究創新局跟他們的英國商業能源暨產業策略部也赤字至少3億英鎊舉辦了法拉第的電池挑戰賽那他這個挑戰賽他不是用半比賽為目的他主要是要克服電池部件的再利用跟他再循環的技術的突破\n\n13\n00:04:15,263 --> 00:04:31,925\n他們敢用這個宣誓的目的宣誓的目的是要讓市面上各類電池它有95%可以被回收所以我想要請教我們的部長我們國家對電池回收率的這個政策的目標是多少有什麼具體的方式嗎\n\n14\n00:04:32,858 --> 00:04:35,700\n部長,有沒有什麼具體的目標?比如說人家是95%的電池可以被回收,我們有沒有?\n\n15\n00:05:00,458 --> 00:05:28,574\n我們應該大概這個所謂這個定義可能蠻重要你所謂的95%可回收可被回收你講的是說譬如說我們賣100個鋰電池出去95個最後被回收這個概念還是說鋰電池本身好沒關係部長95%可以被回收好我想要表達的是建構這個電池循環的產業鏈是絕對應該是環境部很重要的對我們非常支持對不對沒錯嘛\n\n16\n00:05:29,054 --> 00:05:56,982\n所以現在目前我們智慧運輸啊綠能動力的電動載具也都興起喔但是因為在興起的這個時候大家還沒有感受到面臨太用電池處置上的急迫所以但是呢現在有很多電動車輛比我們密度使用更高更普及的國外他們卻早就有相關這個太用車輛電池的成熟處理機制但是對比我們國家目前我們汽機車的這個車輛的電池是被管制的\n\n17\n00:05:57,882 --> 00:06:26,362\n所以電池進到台灣在經歷使用之後當它的效能不足這個電池居然在我們國內就會直接被以這個廢棄物的名義做為黑粉也就是我們電池衰退之後理論上其實這個電池還有很多的利用空間並非純然的廢棄物但我們現在的做法基本上就是把它當作廢棄物處理因為這個部長所以電池當不在車子使用之後就會變到終端的處置\n\n18\n00:06:27,122 --> 00:06:34,349\n而且欠缺再利用的這個安排跟機制不知道這樣子是不是會造成我們很多的機會成本呢?給廖委員報告\n\n19\n00:06:36,228 --> 00:07:01,264\n電池不是一般的廢棄物它不可以隨便亂丟啊電池有另外電池的回收的一個分類所以它不能放到一般的垃圾假如是被發現反而要受到懲罰所以並沒有所謂這裡描述的這個現象就是說有業者或者民眾把這個廢電池拿去變成黑粉的這個這個可能或許是有\n\n20\n00:07:02,846 --> 00:07:18,085\n其實我們要表達的事情就是就是其實我們在業界也聽到很多的反應的聲音就是說這些電池其實它有很多的利用價值可是在我們的法規裡面是並沒有讓它充分的在這個民間好好的被再次的利用\n\n21\n00:07:18,866 --> 00:07:45,295\n所以這個包含著很多二手的會變成是除能設備對不對或者租借存在使用的平台但是國內如果有創新的需求想要衰退想要用這些衰退的或是被車傷淘汰的二手車用電池來做開發跟研究等喔都會因為電池受到這個法令的管制所以其實他們連研究實體的素材都沒有就變成是他要特別\n\n22\n00:07:46,155 --> 00:08:01,263\n想辦法或是想途徑來跟你們找要到這些衰退的電池我剛剛要表達的是這個意思所以我想要講的事情是人家是把廢物變黃金可是我們現在因為法令的關係就導致這些黃金會變成廢物\n\n23\n00:08:02,644 --> 00:08:23,434\n給廖委員報告這個就是為什麼資源形成促進化很重要請廖委員要支持我們以前是把廢棄物幾乎是當作廢棄物在處理把它這個妥善處理就好但是我們現在把它資源化或者能源化這是兩個很重要的概念資源化或者能源化這個是我們努力的方向\n\n24\n00:08:24,557 --> 00:08:50,395\n所以預計到2025年我要講的就是這件事情我們要請環境部趕快的推動因為預計2025年的時候我們其實明年就會面臨到大量的報廢期我想你們應該知道可是你們環境部在升格前是說電動的電動車的廢棄電池處理量是足夠並也納入我們近零轉型的關鍵策略所以這件事情很重要嘛所以規劃相關的措施爭取到這些國科會的計畫等等的那\n\n25\n00:08:51,155 --> 00:09:10,437\n我想要請教部長就是說何時可以讓我國的電動車車輛淘汰用的電池賦予一個法令上可以再利用的身份讓泰用的電池真正做到資源循環再利用可不可以有一個比較明確的時間?對廖長安報告事實上我們現在已經有六家幾家的合法電池回收\n\n26\n00:09:11,198 --> 00:09:11,718\n好,謝謝廖委員。好,謝謝。\n\n27\n00:09:43,173 --> 00:09:44,257\n謝謝廖偉翔委員的資訊\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n970\t19151\t進行諮詢。謝主席,有請我們薛部長。好,廖委員好。\n20407\t31126\t部長好,你剛剛跟這個媒體說你不會續任那第一個就是也我想要請問一下您這一這個任期之內你有沒有對於\n32335\t54571\t你認為接下來下一任有三件最重要的事情在環境部裡面你認為有哪三件可不可以具體跟我們說一下我覺得這個環境部事實上很多重要的政策都在持續進行當中那當然這個從屬到部事實上整個組織結構也做了很大的改變\n58634\t81746\t氣候變遷屬針對2050的淨零排放事實上這個是一個很大的挑戰我想也是一個全球的趨勢當然各位會員非常關心這個碳費的徵收那我還是想要利用這個機會告訴大家就是說碳費的徵收它是一個手段真正重要而且我們希望達到的是減碳\n83026\t108369\t檢探才是我們真正希望要達到的所以我們不要集中在碳稅、碳費這個議題所以第一個我覺得淨零排放、檢探這個是重要的議題第二個當然就是資源形態我想今天我們開這個委員會大家也是很關心就是說這個地球的資源有限那特別是今年這個廖委員\n113331\t123596\t韓國聯合國全球的社交公約希望能夠在今年納入一個法律的一個位階那大家共同來檢討\n124036\t124096\t﹝廖偉翔﹞\n153915\t178294\t還是整個環環弄好 謝謝部長所以你剛剛最後有提到這個垃圾廢棄物的處理那今天你在書面報告第6頁的表格裡面有說到目前的電池廢棄循環法規在還有電池廢棄測試標準裡面其實都還在訂定那至於所謂的離電池創新技術的發展在環境部裡面有用到一些措辭像是修辭像是促進或是加強\n179435\t186606\t想請教我們的部長如何促進跟如何加強你們有什麼具體的我們的政策作為有什麼具體的方向嗎?\n187909\t213861\t我想我們可以透過回收基金可以這些業者或者研究單位一些鼓勵讓他們來共同研發因為不只是鋰電池我想包括現在大家很關心的太陽能板甚至是風力發電的葉片等等這些回收的那我們希望透過環境部可以掌控的基金\n215401\t227727\t好部長我們來看看國際間有一些案例喔像在英國的政府節制在一年前的此刻他至少已經支柱超過4億英鎊大概是150億的合資用來專攻這個電池的開發跟回收利用\n231828\t254463\t甚至英國的研究創新局跟他們的英國商業能源暨產業策略部也赤字至少3億英鎊舉辦了法拉第的電池挑戰賽那他這個挑戰賽他不是用半比賽為目的他主要是要克服電池部件的再利用跟他再循環的技術的突破\n255263\t271925\t他們敢用這個宣誓的目的宣誓的目的是要讓市面上各類電池它有95%可以被回收所以我想要請教我們的部長我們國家對電池回收率的這個政策的目標是多少有什麼具體的方式嗎\n272858\t275700\t部長,有沒有什麼具體的目標?比如說人家是95%的電池可以被回收,我們有沒有?\n300458\t328574\t我們應該大概這個所謂這個定義可能蠻重要你所謂的95%可回收可被回收你講的是說譬如說我們賣100個鋰電池出去95個最後被回收這個概念還是說鋰電池本身好沒關係部長95%可以被回收好我想要表達的是建構這個電池循環的產業鏈是絕對應該是環境部很重要的對我們非常支持對不對沒錯嘛\n329054\t356982\t所以現在目前我們智慧運輸啊綠能動力的電動載具也都興起喔但是因為在興起的這個時候大家還沒有感受到面臨太用電池處置上的急迫所以但是呢現在有很多電動車輛比我們密度使用更高更普及的國外他們卻早就有相關這個太用車輛電池的成熟處理機制但是對比我們國家目前我們汽機車的這個車輛的電池是被管制的\n357882\t386362\t所以電池進到台灣在經歷使用之後當它的效能不足這個電池居然在我們國內就會直接被以這個廢棄物的名義做為黑粉也就是我們電池衰退之後理論上其實這個電池還有很多的利用空間並非純然的廢棄物但我們現在的做法基本上就是把它當作廢棄物處理因為這個部長所以電池當不在車子使用之後就會變到終端的處置\n387122\t394349\t而且欠缺再利用的這個安排跟機制不知道這樣子是不是會造成我們很多的機會成本呢?給廖委員報告\n396228\t421264\t電池不是一般的廢棄物它不可以隨便亂丟啊電池有另外電池的回收的一個分類所以它不能放到一般的垃圾假如是被發現反而要受到懲罰所以並沒有所謂這裡描述的這個現象就是說有業者或者民眾把這個廢電池拿去變成黑粉的這個這個可能或許是有\n422846\t438085\t其實我們要表達的事情就是就是其實我們在業界也聽到很多的反應的聲音就是說這些電池其實它有很多的利用價值可是在我們的法規裡面是並沒有讓它充分的在這個民間好好的被再次的利用\n438866\t465295\t所以這個包含著很多二手的會變成是除能設備對不對或者租借存在使用的平台但是國內如果有創新的需求想要衰退想要用這些衰退的或是被車傷淘汰的二手車用電池來做開發跟研究等喔都會因為電池受到這個法令的管制所以其實他們連研究實體的素材都沒有就變成是他要特別\n466155\t481263\t想辦法或是想途徑來跟你們找要到這些衰退的電池我剛剛要表達的是這個意思所以我想要講的事情是人家是把廢物變黃金可是我們現在因為法令的關係就導致這些黃金會變成廢物\n482644\t503434\t給廖委員報告 這個就是為什麼資源形成促進化很重要請廖委員要支持我們以前是把廢棄物幾乎是當作廢棄物在處理把它這個妥善處理就好但是我們現在把它資源化或者能源化這是兩個很重要的概念資源化或者能源化這個是我們努力的方向\n504557\t530395\t所以預計到2025年我要講的就是這件事情我們要請環境部趕快的推動因為預計2025年的時候我們其實明年就會面臨到大量的報廢期我想你們應該知道可是你們環境部在升格前是說電動的電動車的廢棄電池處理量是足夠並也納入我們近零轉型的關鍵策略所以這件事情很重要嘛所以規劃相關的措施爭取到這些國科會的計畫等等的那\n531155\t550437\t我想要請教部長就是說何時可以讓我國的電動車車輛淘汰用的電池賦予一個法令上可以再利用的身份讓泰用的電池真正做到資源循環再利用可不可以有一個比較明確的時間?對 廖長安報告事實上我們現在已經有六家幾家的合法電池回收\n551198\t551718\t好,謝謝廖委員。好,謝謝。\n583173\t584257\t謝謝廖偉翔委員的資訊\n","txt":"進行諮詢。謝主席,有請我們薛部長。好,廖委員好。\n部長好,你剛剛跟這個媒體說你不會續任那第一個就是也我想要請問一下您這一這個任期之內你有沒有對於\n你認為接下來下一任有三件最重要的事情在環境部裡面你認為有哪三件可不可以具體跟我們說一下我覺得這個環境部事實上很多重要的政策都在持續進行當中那當然這個從屬到部事實上整個組織結構也做了很大的改變\n氣候變遷屬針對2050的淨零排放事實上這個是一個很大的挑戰我想也是一個全球的趨勢當然各位會員非常關心這個碳費的徵收那我還是想要利用這個機會告訴大家就是說碳費的徵收它是一個手段真正重要而且我們希望達到的是減碳\n檢探才是我們真正希望要達到的所以我們不要集中在碳稅、碳費這個議題所以第一個我覺得淨零排放、檢探這個是重要的議題第二個當然就是資源形態我想今天我們開這個委員會大家也是很關心就是說這個地球的資源有限那特別是今年這個廖委員\n韓國聯合國全球的社交公約希望能夠在今年納入一個法律的一個位階那大家共同來檢討\n﹝廖偉翔﹞\n還是整個環環弄好 謝謝部長所以你剛剛最後有提到這個垃圾廢棄物的處理那今天你在書面報告第6頁的表格裡面有說到目前的電池廢棄循環法規在還有電池廢棄測試標準裡面其實都還在訂定那至於所謂的離電池創新技術的發展在環境部裡面有用到一些措辭像是修辭像是促進或是加強\n想請教我們的部長如何促進跟如何加強你們有什麼具體的我們的政策作為有什麼具體的方向嗎?\n我想我們可以透過回收基金可以這些業者或者研究單位一些鼓勵讓他們來共同研發因為不只是鋰電池我想包括現在大家很關心的太陽能板甚至是風力發電的葉片等等這些回收的那我們希望透過環境部可以掌控的基金\n好部長我們來看看國際間有一些案例喔像在英國的政府節制在一年前的此刻他至少已經支柱超過4億英鎊大概是150億的合資用來專攻這個電池的開發跟回收利用\n甚至英國的研究創新局跟他們的英國商業能源暨產業策略部也赤字至少3億英鎊舉辦了法拉第的電池挑戰賽那他這個挑戰賽他不是用半比賽為目的他主要是要克服電池部件的再利用跟他再循環的技術的突破\n他們敢用這個宣誓的目的宣誓的目的是要讓市面上各類電池它有95%可以被回收所以我想要請教我們的部長我們國家對電池回收率的這個政策的目標是多少有什麼具體的方式嗎\n部長,有沒有什麼具體的目標?比如說人家是95%的電池可以被回收,我們有沒有?\n我們應該大概這個所謂這個定義可能蠻重要你所謂的95%可回收可被回收你講的是說譬如說我們賣100個鋰電池出去95個最後被回收這個概念還是說鋰電池本身好沒關係部長95%可以被回收好我想要表達的是建構這個電池循環的產業鏈是絕對應該是環境部很重要的對我們非常支持對不對沒錯嘛\n所以現在目前我們智慧運輸啊綠能動力的電動載具也都興起喔但是因為在興起的這個時候大家還沒有感受到面臨太用電池處置上的急迫所以但是呢現在有很多電動車輛比我們密度使用更高更普及的國外他們卻早就有相關這個太用車輛電池的成熟處理機制但是對比我們國家目前我們汽機車的這個車輛的電池是被管制的\n所以電池進到台灣在經歷使用之後當它的效能不足這個電池居然在我們國內就會直接被以這個廢棄物的名義做為黑粉也就是我們電池衰退之後理論上其實這個電池還有很多的利用空間並非純然的廢棄物但我們現在的做法基本上就是把它當作廢棄物處理因為這個部長所以電池當不在車子使用之後就會變到終端的處置\n而且欠缺再利用的這個安排跟機制不知道這樣子是不是會造成我們很多的機會成本呢?給廖委員報告\n電池不是一般的廢棄物它不可以隨便亂丟啊電池有另外電池的回收的一個分類所以它不能放到一般的垃圾假如是被發現反而要受到懲罰所以並沒有所謂這裡描述的這個現象就是說有業者或者民眾把這個廢電池拿去變成黑粉的這個這個可能或許是有\n其實我們要表達的事情就是就是其實我們在業界也聽到很多的反應的聲音就是說這些電池其實它有很多的利用價值可是在我們的法規裡面是並沒有讓它充分的在這個民間好好的被再次的利用\n所以這個包含著很多二手的會變成是除能設備對不對或者租借存在使用的平台但是國內如果有創新的需求想要衰退想要用這些衰退的或是被車傷淘汰的二手車用電池來做開發跟研究等喔都會因為電池受到這個法令的管制所以其實他們連研究實體的素材都沒有就變成是他要特別\n想辦法或是想途徑來跟你們找要到這些衰退的電池我剛剛要表達的是這個意思所以我想要講的事情是人家是把廢物變黃金可是我們現在因為法令的關係就導致這些黃金會變成廢物\n給廖委員報告 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