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00:03:05,569\n部長應該知道我們辦公室一直在追很多跟體育署有關的案子所以關於這個剛剛我說那個大仁國中的個案也拜託教育部持續協助高雄市政府協助了解這是第一個那第二個呢我們希望就像部長您剛說的霸凌凌容忍不能只是口號\n\n10\n00:03:06,650 --> 00:03:21,066\n不管是您還在的這段時間或者是後續的部長你剛剛說到會交接嘛我希望部長你可以跟新的部長分享一個很重要的事情就是奪牌的思維其實這件事情一直在傷害體育現場的所有小孩其實也在傷害所有大人所有家長\n\n11\n00:03:21,747 --> 00:03:39,489\n我相信這件事情在新的部長新的總統上任之後應該更積極有所作為也拜託部長在交接的時候務必要把這件事情放在心裡頭我相信部長在這7年半任期一定也接觸到非常非常多的個案那再來就是這個孩子假設以這個個案的孩子來說他可能有機會日後是要轉學的\n\n12\n00:03:40,430 --> 00:03:57,438\n但是部長你知道轉學競賽的制度我們雖然有相關的辦法已經寫得很清楚了他們如果是因為性平案件霸凌案件轉學他不會受到這個所謂禁止出賽的規定對不對可是其實在現場落實的配套非常有狀況這個部分也要拜託教育部持續進行了解可以嗎\n\n13\n00:03:58,078 --> 00:04:02,559\n謝謝委員我想剛才跟委員報告的一些機制我覺得真的是經過大家及時廣益是有一個更明確處理的機制對但是因為體育的部分比較很大對但對個案像委員提到的這部分我想我會再請體育署來對這方面也要去留意了因為還有機會說在執行落地的這方面更加的確實\n\n14\n00:04:20,325 --> 00:04:37,538\n關於特教的部分在我們整個業務報告裡面39頁有點可惜都沒有看到關於特教生的部分那我想部長應該非常清楚我們辦公室一直在協助處理非常多特教生的個案有一些事情我們發現它不只是個案它其實是同案制度的問題\n\n15\n00:04:38,419 --> 00:04:50,509\n我們在上次3月21日的時候關於4所即將退場的學校後續有將近200個特教生我們後續跟學生追蹤跟家長保持聯絡謝謝部長教育部在這裡已經有跟他們開線上會議同時保持討論對嗎這邊我就快速跟部長確認\n\n16\n00:04:55,086 --> 00:05:00,348\n請教育部應該快速建立跨單位尤其是教育部內部自己如何去協助這些特教生因為他跟高教有關跟特教有關那所有的事情必須要大家通盤來討論跟檢討\n\n17\n00:05:19,514 --> 00:05:36,701\n所以我覺得很擔心是我在這一次的業務報告裡面完全沒有看到特教生的相關權益跟相關的後續配套措施這個部分是不是請部長回應一下好謝謝委員這個提醒因為在安置學生確實特教學生的需要給協助的是更多\n\n18\n00:05:37,381 --> 00:05:37,641\n我跟部長說有多普遍\n\n19\n00:05:55,895 --> 00:06:24,334\n之前來的考試我記得是在3月在台南辦的考試特教生正式入學今年已經來到3300個多個學生那我們每年也才報考多少小孩但是這個比例這麼高所以我也想要提醒部長有沒有可能在預警學校階段我們知道其實你們手上是有名單的對嗎就退場學校跟預警學校針對私立的高中職私立的大學的預警學校名單裡面到底有多少特教生因為我們知道很多學校從預警走到退場其實還蠻快的\n\n20\n00:06:25,595 --> 00:06:26,155\n我認為這個非常有必要\n\n21\n00:06:52,364 --> 00:06:52,745\n陳培瑜主席\n\n22\n00:07:07,701 --> 00:07:29,769\n謝謝部長,一樣下一個是特教的學生他們在跟我們談的是相關的大學的升學徵試的權益我們來看一下目前我們收到很多很多的陳情就是到底這些學生他們可以怎麼樣進入大學裡頭那教育部也才剛剛公告身心障礙升學輔導辦法的預告期剛結束可是這個辦法一公布之後有非常多家長\n\n23\n00:07:30,589 --> 00:07:30,649\n陳培瑜\n\n24\n00:07:53,027 --> 00:08:09,545\n很多孩子跟家長就說相關的名額這麼少到底是為什麼所以他們能夠選擇的學校真的很少再來以文化大學收肢體障礙生兩名或是學長中正收一名政治收一名那我很好奇像自閉症政大收一名文大收兩名\n\n25\n00:08:10,146 --> 00:08:31,429\n如果沒有招滿的話他可不可以留用到其他的帳別例如說自閉症跟學習障礙生的名額可不可以互換就是留用所以我剛剛講了他們的選擇很少其實孩子們覺得自己升學的選擇充滿了障礙第二個名額如果沒有徵選滿可不可以留用這件事情所以我相信後續很多難度可不可以請部長快速回應一下\n\n26\n00:08:31,969 --> 00:08:46,620\n跟委員報告當然特教真是這是一個管道啦那特教的孩子不是這不是唯一這個我知道我們有7成的小孩子透過這個考試服務入學可是另外的3成的小孩的聲音其實還是要聽見嘛所以我剛說我知道很多難度明有開放確實學校是會去評估他的條件啦\n\n27\n00:08:51,664 --> 00:08:51,924\n陳培瑜\n\n28\n00:09:10,228 --> 00:09:10,328\n陳培瑜\n\n29\n00:09:26,459 --> 00:09:26,599\n以這個基礎之下\n\n30\n00:09:55,306 --> 00:09:55,467\n陳培瑜主席\n\n31\n00:10:10,990 --> 00:10:37,275\n討論這個我都完全認同是是時間到最後一個校園退場空間目前我們看到各縣市政府跟教育部都有些積極的合作我想要快速問一下其實之前在平台上為二連署成功的在公共政策平台上有一個就是可不可以把這個退場的學校作為足球聯賽舉辦的基地或者是相關的訓練基地的部分這個部分部長你要不要快速回應一下這可能要評估一下啦好啦評估一下但是你看他在公共政策平台上足球場要的空間相當的大\n\n32\n00:10:39,895 --> 00:11:06,605\n其實很多學校是很適合的我只是希望教育部在後續的政策規劃上可以把這個想像放入政策推動當中因為我們現在有一個持續行政院的跨部會平台都在處理我們有關退場後校地怎麼樣做最好的公益使用那體育設施應該也是可以選項之一因為有非常多的家長他們現在已經不願意選擇體育班系統他們寧願讓孩子加入所謂社區俱樂部我想這個現象部長你一定比我清楚好嗎我們這個體育我想我會請體育署也評估因為體育署本身\n\n33\n00:11:08,686 --> 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我想剛才跟委員報告的一些機制我覺得真的是經過大家及時廣益是有一個更明確處理的機制對 但是因為體育的部分比較很大對 但對個案 像委員提到的這部分我想我會再請體育署來對這方面也要去留意了因為還有機會說在執行落地的這方面更加的確實\n260325\t277538\t關於特教的部分在我們整個業務報告裡面39頁有點可惜都沒有看到關於特教生的部分那我想部長應該非常清楚我們辦公室一直在協助處理非常多特教生的個案有一些事情我們發現它不只是個案它其實是同案制度的問題\n278419\t290509\t我們在上次3月21日的時候關於4所即將退場的學校後續有將近200個特教生我們後續跟學生追蹤跟家長保持聯絡謝謝部長教育部在這裡已經有跟他們開線上會議同時保持討論對嗎這邊我就快速跟部長確認\n295086\t300348\t請教育部應該快速建立跨單位尤其是教育部內部自己如何去協助這些特教生因為他跟高教有關跟特教有關那所有的事情必須要大家通盤來討論跟檢討\n319514\t336701\t所以我覺得很擔心是我在這一次的業務報告裡面完全沒有看到特教生的相關權益跟相關的後續配套措施這個部分是不是請部長回應一下好 謝謝委員這個提醒因為在安置學生確實特教學生的需要給協助的是更多\n337381\t337641\t我跟部長說有多普遍\n355895\t384334\t之前來的考試我記得是在3月在台南辦的考試特教生正式入學今年已經來到3300個多個學生那我們每年也才報考多少小孩但是這個比例這麼高所以我也想要提醒部長有沒有可能在預警學校階段我們知道其實你們手上是有名單的對嗎就退場學校跟預警學校針對私立的高中職私立的大學的預警學校名單裡面到底有多少特教生因為我們知道很多學校從預警走到退場其實還蠻快的\n385595\t386155\t我認為這個非常有必要\n412364\t412745\t陳培瑜主席\n427701\t449769\t謝謝部長,一樣下一個是特教的學生他們在跟我們談的是相關的大學的升學徵試的權益我們來看一下目前我們收到很多很多的陳情就是到底這些學生他們可以怎麼樣進入大學裡頭那教育部也才剛剛公告身心障礙升學輔導辦法的預告期剛結束可是這個辦法一公布之後有非常多家長\n450589\t450649\t陳培瑜\n473027\t489545\t很多孩子跟家長就說相關的名額這麼少到底是為什麼所以他們能夠選擇的學校真的很少再來以文化大學收肢體障礙生兩名或是學長中正收一名政治收一名那我很好奇像自閉症政大收一名文大收兩名\n490146\t511429\t如果沒有招滿的話他可不可以留用到其他的帳別例如說自閉症跟學習障礙生的名額可不可以互換就是留用所以我剛剛講了他們的選擇很少其實孩子們覺得自己升學的選擇充滿了障礙第二個名額如果沒有徵選滿可不可以留用這件事情所以我相信後續很多難度可不可以請部長快速回應一下\n511969\t526620\t跟委員報告當然特教真是這是一個管道啦那特教的孩子不是這不是唯一這個我知道我們有7成的小孩子透過這個考試服務入學可是另外的3成的小孩的聲音其實還是要聽見嘛所以我剛說我知道很多難度明有開放確實學校是會去評估他的條件啦\n531664\t531924\t陳培瑜\n550228\t550328\t陳培瑜\n566459\t566599\t以這個基礎之下\n595306\t595467\t陳培瑜主席\n610990\t637275\t討論這個我都完全認同是是時間到最後一個校園退場空間目前我們看到各縣市政府跟教育部都有些積極的合作我想要快速問一下其實之前在平台上為二連署成功的在公共政策平台上有一個就是可不可以把這個退場的學校作為足球聯賽舉辦的基地或者是相關的訓練基地的部分這個部分部長你要不要快速回應一下這可能要評估一下啦好啦評估一下但是你看他在公共政策平台上足球場要的空間相當的大\n639895\t666605\t其實很多學校是很適合的我只是希望教育部在後續的政策規劃上可以把這個想像放入政策推動當中因為我們現在有一個持續行政院的跨部會平台都在處理我們有關退場後校地怎麼樣做最好的公益使用那體育設施應該也是可以選項之一因為有非常多的家長他們現在已經不願意選擇體育班系統他們寧願讓孩子加入所謂社區俱樂部我想這個現象部長你一定比我清楚好嗎我們這個體育我想我會請體育署也評估因為體育署本身\n668686\t668766\t謝謝部長 謝謝主席\n","txt":"謝謝主席．有請潘部長\n部長辛苦了七年半我想其實有非常多改變大家都看得到那我不會全盤否定教改30年因為我自己兩個小孩其實也是在教改30年這當中很重要的受益者那但是今天有一個比較特殊的個案先跟部長討論第一個是大仁國中棒球隊疑似霸凌事件這個在4月12號開始在網路上相關影片不斷的流傳那部長有沒有看過這個影片\n陳培瑜議員陳培瑜議員\n我想部長你一定會認同我等一下講這句話像這樣的校園霸凌事件不管是師對生或是生對生它絕對不會是最後一起對嗎因為目前不管是球員的人權意識或者是教練或者是老師跟學生之間的溝通其實都還是有很多的問題\n可是因為每次在很多漫長的溝通底下很多事情他常常會被說這是教練的工作考慮到教練工作權利考慮到球隊可以幫學校爭光最後的結果就是不了了之可是我們來看一下跟我們國情很像的日本他們其實一直都有類似的事件在發生可是他們從來他們開始改進之後他們認為這不是只是單純的校園事件會有比較進一步的紀律裁罰那我想問部長在您任內還有一些時間可以跟您的同仁討論\n我們臺灣有沒有機會設計像這樣的機制?根文報告這個校園霸凌當然不管生對生、失對生包含很多輔導管教的議題這都是社會各界而且也在我們的第一現場也有一些事情發生了所以為根文報告經過這一年整理那教育部也在今天公佈、發佈\n陳培瑜議員\n但我們其實很擔心常常在很多體育界的流傳就說好像所有的法到了豬輪街都會卡住喔\n部長應該知道我們辦公室一直在追很多跟體育署有關的案子所以關於這個剛剛我說那個大仁國中的個案也拜託教育部持續協助高雄市政府協助了解這是第一個那第二個呢我們希望就像部長您剛說的霸凌凌容忍不能只是口號\n不管是您還在的這段時間或者是後續的部長你剛剛說到會交接嘛我希望部長你可以跟新的部長分享一個很重要的事情就是奪牌的思維其實這件事情一直在傷害體育現場的所有小孩其實也在傷害所有大人所有家長\n我相信這件事情在新的部長新的總統上任之後應該更積極有所作為也拜託部長在交接的時候務必要把這件事情放在心裡頭我相信部長在這7年半任期一定也接觸到非常非常多的個案那再來就是這個孩子假設以這個個案的孩子來說他可能有機會日後是要轉學的\n但是部長你知道轉學競賽的制度我們雖然有相關的辦法已經寫得很清楚了他們如果是因為性平案件霸凌案件轉學他不會受到這個所謂禁止出賽的規定對不對可是其實在現場落實的配套非常有狀況這個部分也要拜託教育部持續進行了解可以嗎\n謝謝委員 我想剛才跟委員報告的一些機制我覺得真的是經過大家及時廣益是有一個更明確處理的機制對 但是因為體育的部分比較很大對 但對個案 像委員提到的這部分我想我會再請體育署來對這方面也要去留意了因為還有機會說在執行落地的這方面更加的確實\n關於特教的部分在我們整個業務報告裡面39頁有點可惜都沒有看到關於特教生的部分那我想部長應該非常清楚我們辦公室一直在協助處理非常多特教生的個案有一些事情我們發現它不只是個案它其實是同案制度的問題\n我們在上次3月21日的時候關於4所即將退場的學校後續有將近200個特教生我們後續跟學生追蹤跟家長保持聯絡謝謝部長教育部在這裡已經有跟他們開線上會議同時保持討論對嗎這邊我就快速跟部長確認\n請教育部應該快速建立跨單位尤其是教育部內部自己如何去協助這些特教生因為他跟高教有關跟特教有關那所有的事情必須要大家通盤來討論跟檢討\n所以我覺得很擔心是我在這一次的業務報告裡面完全沒有看到特教生的相關權益跟相關的後續配套措施這個部分是不是請部長回應一下好 謝謝委員這個提醒因為在安置學生確實特教學生的需要給協助的是更多\n我跟部長說有多普遍\n之前來的考試我記得是在3月在台南辦的考試特教生正式入學今年已經來到3300個多個學生那我們每年也才報考多少小孩但是這個比例這麼高所以我也想要提醒部長有沒有可能在預警學校階段我們知道其實你們手上是有名單的對嗎就退場學校跟預警學校針對私立的高中職私立的大學的預警學校名單裡面到底有多少特教生因為我們知道很多學校從預警走到退場其實還蠻快的\n我認為這個非常有必要\n陳培瑜主席\n謝謝部長,一樣下一個是特教的學生他們在跟我們談的是相關的大學的升學徵試的權益我們來看一下目前我們收到很多很多的陳情就是到底這些學生他們可以怎麼樣進入大學裡頭那教育部也才剛剛公告身心障礙升學輔導辦法的預告期剛結束可是這個辦法一公布之後有非常多家長\n陳培瑜\n很多孩子跟家長就說相關的名額這麼少到底是為什麼所以他們能夠選擇的學校真的很少再來以文化大學收肢體障礙生兩名或是學長中正收一名政治收一名那我很好奇像自閉症政大收一名文大收兩名\n如果沒有招滿的話他可不可以留用到其他的帳別例如說自閉症跟學習障礙生的名額可不可以互換就是留用所以我剛剛講了他們的選擇很少其實孩子們覺得自己升學的選擇充滿了障礙第二個名額如果沒有徵選滿可不可以留用這件事情所以我相信後續很多難度可不可以請部長快速回應一下\n跟委員報告當然特教真是這是一個管道啦那特教的孩子不是這不是唯一這個我知道我們有7成的小孩子透過這個考試服務入學可是另外的3成的小孩的聲音其實還是要聽見嘛所以我剛說我知道很多難度明有開放確實學校是會去評估他的條件啦\n陳培瑜\n陳培瑜\n以這個基礎之下\n陳培瑜主席\n討論這個我都完全認同是是時間到最後一個校園退場空間目前我們看到各縣市政府跟教育部都有些積極的合作我想要快速問一下其實之前在平台上為二連署成功的在公共政策平台上有一個就是可不可以把這個退場的學校作為足球聯賽舉辦的基地或者是相關的訓練基地的部分這個部分部長你要不要快速回應一下這可能要評估一下啦好啦評估一下但是你看他在公共政策平台上足球場要的空間相當的大\n其實很多學校是很適合的我只是希望教育部在後續的政策規劃上可以把這個想像放入政策推動當中因為我們現在有一個持續行政院的跨部會平台都在處理我們有關退場後校地怎麼樣做最好的公益使用那體育設施應該也是可以選項之一因為有非常多的家長他們現在已經不願意選擇體育班系統他們寧願讓孩子加入所謂社區俱樂部我想這個現象部長你一定比我清楚好嗎我們這個體育我想我會請體育署也評估因為體育署本身\n謝謝部長 謝謝主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.465 --> 00:04.907\n謝謝主席．有請潘部長\n\n00:10.399 --> 00:34.134\n部長辛苦了七年半我想其實有非常多改變大家都看得到那我不會全盤否定教改30年因為我自己兩個小孩其實也是在教改30年這當中很重要的受益者那但是今天有一個比較特殊的個案先跟部長討論第一個是大仁國中棒球隊疑似霸凌事件這個在4月12號開始在網路上相關影片不斷的流傳那部長有沒有看過這個影片\n\n00:34.894 --> 00:35.235\n陳培瑜議員陳培瑜議員\n\n00:55.619 --> 01:09.919\n我想部長你一定會認同我等一下講這句話像這樣的校園霸凌事件不管是師對生或是生對生它絕對不會是最後一起對嗎因為目前不管是球員的人權意識或者是教練或者是老師跟學生之間的溝通其實都還是有很多的問題\n\n01:11.261 --> 01:31.654\n可是因為每次在很多漫長的溝通底下很多事情他常常會被說這是教練的工作考慮到教練工作權利考慮到球隊可以幫學校爭光最後的結果就是不了了之可是我們來看一下跟我們國情很像的日本他們其實一直都有類似的事件在發生可是他們從來他們開始改進之後他們認為這不是只是單純的校園事件會有比較進一步的紀律裁罰那我想問部長在您任內還有一些時間可以跟您的同仁討論\n\n01:40.160 --> 02:02.067\n我們臺灣有沒有機會設計像這樣的機制?根文報告這個校園霸凌當然不管生對生、失對生包含很多輔導管教的議題這都是社會各界而且也在我們的第一現場也有一些事情發生了所以為根文報告經過這一年整理那教育部也在今天公佈、發佈\n\n02:03.928 --> 02:03.968\n陳培瑜議員\n\n02:21.380 --> 02:23.181\n但我們其實很擔心常常在很多體育界的流傳就說好像所有的法到了豬輪街都會卡住喔\n\n02:50.834 --> 03:05.569\n部長應該知道我們辦公室一直在追很多跟體育署有關的案子所以關於這個剛剛我說那個大仁國中的個案也拜託教育部持續協助高雄市政府協助了解這是第一個那第二個呢我們希望就像部長您剛說的霸凌凌容忍不能只是口號\n\n03:06.650 --> 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