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00:03:37,511\n罪同致死,為什麼叫做虐童致死?我的目的本來就是為了虐童,我不是要你死啊。那前面大家都知道法律委員說前面叫做故意,後面這個行為叫做過失。那你把他刑度拉到等同就是跟殺人一樣,那虐童跟殺童就同樣的意思了。那如果虐童致死你把他拉到死刑,那殺童你要把他出幾次死刑。\n\n10\n00:03:38,835 --> 00:04:07,419\n這是法律的一個基本原則但是在這個社會氛圍底下各位你們可能跟我一樣都是少數我們擔心的就是這個我們擔心的就是這個那所以簡單來講的話就是說我很怕我們刑法體系裡面把故意我們有設計故意跟過失那我們變成說我們這個刑度今天這個版本你把它的人數國民黨比較多了呼這樣過去了\n\n11\n00:04:08,547 --> 00:04:36,391\n以後這個罪章裡面就不用去分孤一君過失了拉到跟殺人罪一模一樣的罪責這樣的一個設計是不是可以是不是可以認同這個都可以來做討論我知道立法院裡面很多人都提出這樣的一個版本但這種明確的一個立法大家都怕得罪人大家都要聲量要討好可是這個問題啊當然要解決\n\n12\n00:04:38,490 --> 00:04:51,746\n國民黨今天的版本他畢竟也是要解決說這種情況你不把他加重你怎麼辦就是想辦法國民黨不知道想說阿不然刑責都來把他拉高我相信國民黨或者今天提案的委員起心動念是為了這個\n\n13\n00:04:53,103 --> 00:05:06,367\n三）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一．委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一．委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一．委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一．委員廖�\n\n14\n00:05:18,069 --> 00:05:24,794\n我就覺得很怪的一個地方2012年我們曾經去修法那當年是高達35歲幼童通報到各縣市政府的社會局的額內的一個案件那當然也高達三萬五千多件所以當年立法也啟動修法把過去的林內幼童的必須出現妨害身體自然發展的結果才可以成立犯罪的舉證太困難\n\n15\n00:05:41,167 --> 00:05:51,336\n三）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條條文修正草案．一）委員廖\n\n16\n00:06:02,537 --> 00:06:02,577\n三）委員\n\n17\n00:06:24,133 --> 00:06:28,155\n條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及\n\n18\n00:06:52,725 --> 00:06:56,502\n可是是不是我們也去看看別的國家是怎麼弄\n\n19\n00:06:57,509 --> 00:07:25,194\n別的國家這個部分的話你像比如說以德國來看的話他們的德國刑法第225條他們就不是像我們今天要修法的版本這樣看喔他們是把變成說你把它做一個區分說你受行為人照顧或者保護者或者說為行為原所屬的家庭成員或者行為人是承擔照顧義務者或者是你因為職務或關係而服從行為人者是在講這一些啊\n\n20\n00:07:25,914 --> 00:07:36,227\n他有做區分樣態讓法官去做一個衡量我們現在不是了,我們現在就是我不用管那些了,我們像這兩個內同的跟殺人罪一樣這好怪,司法院的看法是怎麼樣\n\n21\n00:07:41,544 --> 00:07:43,806\n條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第12會期司法及法制委員會\n\n22\n00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:25,788\n二）委員趙委員的意見提醒各位委員可以斟酌一下這個罪行相當跟比例原則啦那將來跟其他這個相當更可能罪質更重的罪之間的均衡性我們也是堅信委員會的意見六部保護師副市長有請教你就是對本院這一次這樣的一個現在在修法的你們認為把真的把他這樣一拉高以後這部分都會降低嗎\n\n23\n00:08:26,854 --> 00:08:26,894\n二）委員\n\n24\n00:08:52,126 --> 00:09:17,534\n這個刑法的一個目的,你說它當然有預防犯罪的一個功能啊,可是你說刑法把它拉到很高,這是不是就可以遏止一個最適當的一個手段。社會上現在是聚焦在虐童,如果哪一天是虐那種90歲以上的,虐母,虐父,虐爺爺,虐奶奶,那我們又要提供一部法令。\n\n25\n00:09:18,905 --> 00:09:24,352\n內代阿公、內代阿祖、還有更不孝那不是要更重所以我也覺得好奇怪我們一直在講說限制行為能力人從七歲以上\n\n26\n00:09:35,680 --> 00:09:54,431\n條文修正草案案案件的意思表示他本身就不夠完全不夠健全所以要法定代理人同意這個民法七條規定就很清楚那我們今天就把它切到說六歲這我也覺得好怪就變成說民法福利政策的年齡跟形式政策\n\n27\n00:09:56,038 --> 00:10:07,402\n等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案案案等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案案等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案案等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案案等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案案等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案案等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案案等19人擬具\n\n28\n00:10:18,697 --> 00:10:29,719\n第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文�\n\n29\n00:10:47,837 --> 00:10:48,358\n條文修正草案．一）委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n12077\t23442\t廖廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．事由．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第14會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第14會期司法及法制委員會第13\n33823\t55094\t市長還有另外列席的官員我想來先請教就今天國民黨所提出的這個黨版來就教各位就是說這次的修法裡面就最主要是主張修正刑法第286條那劃定對未滿六歲的人去施以凌虐\n56394\t78730\t從本刑六個月以上五年以下現在要把它增加啦增加到七年以上的徒刑那對這個凌虐致死處死刑跟無期徒刑至重傷者處無期徒刑跟十年以上簡單講啦就是說對六歲以下虐童就妨礙身心的健康發育致人於死跟重傷都加重加重這是社會上就\n82574\t84436\t二）委員黃健豪等19人擬具〈中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案案〉案。\n104751\t127200\t規定的一個法制原則。所以什麼樣的罪不可以假釋要通篇考量不可以只針對286說他不能假釋那比他類似的跟他比他重的要不要假釋這個要通篇考慮不是說我們不是那當然那當然我今天把刑責這樣拉高那你把刑責拉高委員我們在這裡多次的大家一個論辯\n129261\t133364\t二）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第七十七條及第二百八十六條條文修正草案案（事由．併案審查��\n148796\t157825\t刑法第七十七條及第二百八十六條條文修正草案案．刑法第七十七條及第二百八十六條條文修正草案案．刑法第七十七條及第二百八十六條條文修正草案\n174073\t174754\t條文修正草案．一）委員\n189309\t217511\t罪同致死,為什麼叫做虐童致死?我的目的本來就是為了虐童,我不是要你死啊。那前面大家都知道法律委員說前面叫做故意,後面這個行為叫做過失。那你把他刑度拉到等同就是跟殺人一樣,那虐童跟殺童就同樣的意思了。那如果虐童致死你把他拉到死刑,那殺童你要把他出幾次死刑。\n218835\t247419\t這是法律的一個基本原則但是在這個社會氛圍底下各位你們可能跟我一樣都是少數我們擔心的就是這個我們擔心的就是這個那所以簡單來講的話就是說我很怕我們刑法體系裡面把故意我們有設計故意跟過失那我們變成說我們這個刑度今天這個版本你把它的人數國民黨比較多了呼這樣過去了\n248547\t276391\t以後這個罪章裡面就不用去分孤一君過失了拉到跟殺人罪一模一樣的罪責這樣的一個設計是不是可以是不是可以認同這個都可以來做討論我知道立法院裡面很多人都提出這樣的一個版本但這種明確的一個立法大家都怕得罪人大家都要聲量要討好可是這個問題啊當然要解決\n278490\t291746\t國民黨今天的版本他畢竟也是要解決說這種情況你不把他加重你怎麼辦就是想辦法國民黨不知道想說阿不然刑責都來把他拉高我相信國民黨或者今天提案的委員起心動念是為了這個\n293103\t306367\t三）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一．委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一．委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一．委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一．委員廖�\n318069\t324794\t我就覺得很怪的一個地方2012年我們曾經去修法那當年是高達35歲幼童通報到各縣市政府的社會局的額內的一個案件那當然也高達三萬五千多件所以當年立法也啟動修法把過去的林內幼童的必須出現妨害身體自然發展的結果才可以成立犯罪的舉證太困難\n341167\t351336\t三）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條條文修正草案．一）委員廖\n362537\t362577\t三）委員\n384133\t388155\t條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及\n412725\t416502\t可是是不是我們也去看看別的國家是怎麼弄\n417509\t445194\t別的國家這個部分的話你像比如說以德國來看的話他們的德國刑法第225條他們就不是像我們今天要修法的版本這樣看喔他們是把變成說你把它做一個區分說你受行為人照顧或者保護者或者說為行為原所屬的家庭成員或者行為人是承擔照顧義務者或者是你因為職務或關係而服從行為人者是在講這一些啊\n445914\t456227\t他有做區分樣態讓法官去做一個衡量我們現在不是了,我們現在就是我不用管那些了,我們像這兩個內同的跟殺人罪一樣這好怪,司法院的看法是怎麼樣\n461544\t463806\t條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第12會期司法及法制委員會\n483840\t505788\t二）委員趙委員的意見提醒各位委員可以斟酌一下這個罪行相當跟比例原則啦那將來跟其他這個相當更可能罪質更重的罪之間的均衡性我們也是堅信委員會的意見六部保護師副市長有請教你就是對本院這一次這樣的一個現在在修法的你們認為把真的把他這樣一拉高以後這部分都會降低嗎\n506854\t506894\t二）委員\n532126\t557534\t這個刑法的一個目的,你說它當然有預防犯罪的一個功能啊,可是你說刑法把它拉到很高,這是不是就可以遏止一個最適當的一個手段。社會上現在是聚焦在虐童,如果哪一天是虐那種90歲以上的,虐母,虐父,虐爺爺,虐奶奶,那我們又要提供一部法令。\n558905\t564352\t內代阿公、內代阿祖、還有更不孝那不是要更重所以我也覺得好奇怪我們一直在講說限制行為能力人從七歲以上\n575680\t594431\t條文修正草案案 案件的意思表示他本身就不夠完全不夠健全所以要法定代理人同意這個民法七條規定就很清楚那我們今天就把它切到說六歲這我也覺得好怪就變成說民法福利政策的年齡跟形式政策\n596038\t607402\t等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案案 案 等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案 案 等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案 案 等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案 案 等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案 案 等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案 案 等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案 案 等19人擬具\n618697\t629719\t第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文�\n647837\t648358\t條文修正草案．一）委員\n","txt":"廖廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．事由．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第14會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第14會期司法及法制委員會第13\n市長還有另外列席的官員我想來先請教就今天國民黨所提出的這個黨版來就教各位就是說這次的修法裡面就最主要是主張修正刑法第286條那劃定對未滿六歲的人去施以凌虐\n從本刑六個月以上五年以下現在要把它增加啦增加到七年以上的徒刑那對這個凌虐致死處死刑跟無期徒刑至重傷者處無期徒刑跟十年以上簡單講啦就是說對六歲以下虐童就妨礙身心的健康發育致人於死跟重傷都加重加重這是社會上就\n二）委員黃健豪等19人擬具〈中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案案〉案。\n規定的一個法制原則。所以什麼樣的罪不可以假釋要通篇考量不可以只針對286說他不能假釋那比他類似的跟他比他重的要不要假釋這個要通篇考慮不是說我們不是那當然那當然我今天把刑責這樣拉高那你把刑責拉高委員我們在這裡多次的大家一個論辯\n二）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第七十七條及第二百八十六條條文修正草案案（事由．併案審查��\n刑法第七十七條及第二百八十六條條文修正草案案．刑法第七十七條及第二百八十六條條文修正草案案．刑法第七十七條及第二百八十六條條文修正草案\n條文修正草案．一）委員\n罪同致死,為什麼叫做虐童致死?我的目的本來就是為了虐童,我不是要你死啊。那前面大家都知道法律委員說前面叫做故意,後面這個行為叫做過失。那你把他刑度拉到等同就是跟殺人一樣,那虐童跟殺童就同樣的意思了。那如果虐童致死你把他拉到死刑,那殺童你要把他出幾次死刑。\n這是法律的一個基本原則但是在這個社會氛圍底下各位你們可能跟我一樣都是少數我們擔心的就是這個我們擔心的就是這個那所以簡單來講的話就是說我很怕我們刑法體系裡面把故意我們有設計故意跟過失那我們變成說我們這個刑度今天這個版本你把它的人數國民黨比較多了呼這樣過去了\n以後這個罪章裡面就不用去分孤一君過失了拉到跟殺人罪一模一樣的罪責這樣的一個設計是不是可以是不是可以認同這個都可以來做討論我知道立法院裡面很多人都提出這樣的一個版本但這種明確的一個立法大家都怕得罪人大家都要聲量要討好可是這個問題啊當然要解決\n國民黨今天的版本他畢竟也是要解決說這種情況你不把他加重你怎麼辦就是想辦法國民黨不知道想說阿不然刑責都來把他拉高我相信國民黨或者今天提案的委員起心動念是為了這個\n三）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一．委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一．委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一．委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一．委員廖�\n我就覺得很怪的一個地方2012年我們曾經去修法那當年是高達35歲幼童通報到各縣市政府的社會局的額內的一個案件那當然也高達三萬五千多件所以當年立法也啟動修法把過去的林內幼童的必須出現妨害身體自然發展的結果才可以成立犯罪的舉證太困難\n三）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條條文修正草案．一）委員廖\n三）委員\n條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及\n可是是不是我們也去看看別的國家是怎麼弄\n別的國家這個部分的話你像比如說以德國來看的話他們的德國刑法第225條他們就不是像我們今天要修法的版本這樣看喔他們是把變成說你把它做一個區分說你受行為人照顧或者保護者或者說為行為原所屬的家庭成員或者行為人是承擔照顧義務者或者是你因為職務或關係而服從行為人者是在講這一些啊\n他有做區分樣態讓法官去做一個衡量我們現在不是了,我們現在就是我不用管那些了,我們像這兩個內同的跟殺人罪一樣這好怪,司法院的看法是怎麼樣\n條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第12會期司法及法制委員會\n二）委員趙委員的意見提醒各位委員可以斟酌一下這個罪行相當跟比例原則啦那將來跟其他這個相當更可能罪質更重的罪之間的均衡性我們也是堅信委員會的意見六部保護師副市長有請教你就是對本院這一次這樣的一個現在在修法的你們認為把真的把他這樣一拉高以後這部分都會降低嗎\n二）委員\n這個刑法的一個目的,你說它當然有預防犯罪的一個功能啊,可是你說刑法把它拉到很高,這是不是就可以遏止一個最適當的一個手段。社會上現在是聚焦在虐童,如果哪一天是虐那種90歲以上的,虐母,虐父,虐爺爺,虐奶奶,那我們又要提供一部法令。\n內代阿公、內代阿祖、還有更不孝那不是要更重所以我也覺得好奇怪我們一直在講說限制行為能力人從七歲以上\n條文修正草案案 案件的意思表示他本身就不夠完全不夠健全所以要法定代理人同意這個民法七條規定就很清楚那我們今天就把它切到說六歲這我也覺得好怪就變成說民法福利政策的年齡跟形式政策\n等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案案 案 等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案 案 等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案 案 等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案 案 等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案 案 等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案 案 等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案 案 等19人擬具\n第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文�\n條文修正草案．一）委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:12.077 --> 00:23.442\n廖廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．事由．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第14會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第14會期司法及法制委員會第13\n\n00:33.823 --> 00:55.094\n市長還有另外列席的官員我想來先請教就今天國民黨所提出的這個黨版來就教各位就是說這次的修法裡面就最主要是主張修正刑法第286條那劃定對未滿六歲的人去施以凌虐\n\n00:56.394 --> 01:18.730\n從本刑六個月以上五年以下現在要把它增加啦增加到七年以上的徒刑那對這個凌虐致死處死刑跟無期徒刑至重傷者處無期徒刑跟十年以上簡單講啦就是說對六歲以下虐童就妨礙身心的健康發育致人於死跟重傷都加重加重這是社會上就\n\n01:22.574 --> 01:24.436\n二）委員黃健豪等19人擬具〈中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案案〉案。\n\n01:44.751 --> 02:07.200\n規定的一個法制原則。所以什麼樣的罪不可以假釋要通篇考量不可以只針對286說他不能假釋那比他類似的跟他比他重的要不要假釋這個要通篇考慮不是說我們不是那當然那當然我今天把刑責這樣拉高那你把刑責拉高委員我們在這裡多次的大家一個論辯\n\n02:09.261 --> 02:13.364\n二）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第七十七條及第二百八十六條條文修正草案案（事由．併案審查��\n\n02:28.796 --> 02:37.825\n刑法第七十七條及第二百八十六條條文修正草案案．刑法第七十七條及第二百八十六條條文修正草案案．刑法第七十七條及第二百八十六條條文修正草案\n\n02:54.073 --> 02:54.754\n條文修正草案．一）委員\n\n03:09.309 --> 03:37.511\n罪同致死,為什麼叫做虐童致死?我的目的本來就是為了虐童,我不是要你死啊。那前面大家都知道法律委員說前面叫做故意,後面這個行為叫做過失。那你把他刑度拉到等同就是跟殺人一樣,那虐童跟殺童就同樣的意思了。那如果虐童致死你把他拉到死刑,那殺童你要把他出幾次死刑。\n\n03:38.835 --> 04:07.419\n這是法律的一個基本原則但是在這個社會氛圍底下各位你們可能跟我一樣都是少數我們擔心的就是這個我們擔心的就是這個那所以簡單來講的話就是說我很怕我們刑法體系裡面把故意我們有設計故意跟過失那我們變成說我們這個刑度今天這個版本你把它的人數國民黨比較多了呼這樣過去了\n\n04:08.547 --> 04:36.391\n以後這個罪章裡面就不用去分孤一君過失了拉到跟殺人罪一模一樣的罪責這樣的一個設計是不是可以是不是可以認同這個都可以來做討論我知道立法院裡面很多人都提出這樣的一個版本但這種明確的一個立法大家都怕得罪人大家都要聲量要討好可是這個問題啊當然要解決\n\n04:38.490 --> 04:51.746\n國民黨今天的版本他畢竟也是要解決說這種情況你不把他加重你怎麼辦就是想辦法國民黨不知道想說阿不然刑責都來把他拉高我相信國民黨或者今天提案的委員起心動念是為了這個\n\n04:53.103 --> 05:06.367\n三）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一．委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一．委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一．委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一．委員廖�\n\n05:18.069 --> 05:24.794\n我就覺得很怪的一個地方2012年我們曾經去修法那當年是高達35歲幼童通報到各縣市政府的社會局的額內的一個案件那當然也高達三萬五千多件所以當年立法也啟動修法把過去的林內幼童的必須出現妨害身體自然發展的結果才可以成立犯罪的舉證太困難\n\n05:41.167 --> 05:51.336\n三）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條條文修正草案．一）委員廖\n\n06:02.537 --> 06:02.577\n三）委員\n\n06:24.133 --> 06:28.155\n條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及\n\n06:52.725 --> 06:56.502\n可是是不是我們也去看看別的國家是怎麼弄\n\n06:57.509 --> 07:25.194\n別的國家這個部分的話你像比如說以德國來看的話他們的德國刑法第225條他們就不是像我們今天要修法的版本這樣看喔他們是把變成說你把它做一個區分說你受行為人照顧或者保護者或者說為行為原所屬的家庭成員或者行為人是承擔照顧義務者或者是你因為職務或關係而服從行為人者是在講這一些啊\n\n07:25.914 --> 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