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00:00:39,309\n首先請教一下我們其實從這幾年來持續在增加不管是從禁伐補償的面積或者是金額我想大家也全力的在支持也希望能夠給予更多合理的一些補償那我想問一下接下來這樣的一個方向今天要審查的方向行政院版本有出來嗎?沒有行政院版本為什麼沒有?沒有行政院版本目前有在研議嗎?有在研議嗎?\n\n3\n00:00:42,545 --> 00:00:51,126\n委員班門出現之後其實我們內部也有在討論有在討論那你們有提出來嗎?還沒有還沒有提出來有在討論但是還沒提出來那你們的態度是什麼?\n\n4\n00:00:52,294 --> 00:01:14,048\n當然對於增加這個方向我們是樂觀其成樂觀其成那裁員的部分呢就增加裁員的裁員的部分因為涉及到整體預算如果說今年當然是沒有這個預算那明年開始當然這個部分是涉及到國家整體預算那變成新的那個來去做一個編列或者討論所以要由行政院來支持編列\n\n5\n00:01:15,570 --> 00:01:44,045\n這個部分當然我們會報如果說法通過或我們按照法的部分來做一個要不要順利更清楚一點來同學有要補充嗎有要補充各位委員報告禁法補償104年通過的時候當時有做出附帶決議針對禁法補償增加預算必須以開增碳稅來支應那針對這個部分呢園民會後來我們就按照當時大院的決議來檢討那不過剛剛很多委員有提到這幾年我們也發現到禁法的這個竹人獸\n\n6\n00:01:44,805 --> 00:02:08,564\n限制的土地的確是有當初在立法上沒有全部涵蓋當初只有林業用地所以行政院在108年提出的修法我們擴大了這樣的禁法補償的面具包括這個都市計劃區水質水運保護區包括國土保安用地等所以行政院在過去8年內在2016年之後實際上我們也持續在推動也如委員簡報上所說我們現在大概這8年\n\n7\n00:02:10,225 --> 00:02:31,674\n補償金2.4公頃到7.2萬港幣8年4.7億元已經是直接讓族人能夠受益那剛剛委員所提示的部分有關整體的預算部分目前我們本會內部有進行研議中不過因為這個預算的增加還涉及到整個國家預算的整體的配置那目前我們還在這個討論當中那財務的部分呢\n\n8\n00:02:38,437 --> 00:02:57,426\n跟委員報告本次修法涉及到調整禁法補償的金額以及擴大禁法補償的範圍涉及到原民會、環境部、農業部和大部會的協商。這個部分我們尊重主管機關的權責以及大院的最後審查的延後。\n\n9\n00:03:01,368 --> 00:03:22,168\n審查委員若修法通過,本身是屬於依法律所必須編列的支出。我們行政部門在編預算會依照法通過來編列相關的經費。我還是希望這整個審訊來思考,因為畢竟當然大家持續的增加,但是剛剛也講到了怎麼樣在整個政策上包括原民的照顧、補助\n\n10\n00:03:23,849 --> 00:03:52,138\n甚至於在減碳這一塊政策上怎麼達到最有效的一個工具?剛剛也談到了,碳費其實是一個重要的一個法律依據,包括新的內閣上任之後的整個,我覺得對於基本新的內閣的,因為各位當然很多都事務官,政務官今天沒來嘛,很多政務員沒有來,那我覺得對於既有的還是要有一些基本的尊重啦,我覺得大方向上大家都支持,但是該有的基本尊重我認為還是要有啦,這個整個體制上是比較好的。好,再來我請教一下主委,副主委啦,\n\n11\n00:03:53,563 --> 00:04:20,797\n竹林整個固碳的量是木材的三倍其實我們應該大量繼續推竹林讓更多竹林這個方向上應該也是一個民會應該也是林務署的一些方向是這樣的方向那我想了解的是那為什麼這國產林這段時間來增加雖然是減少甚至於有進半的林地是荒廢要不要先說明一下副署長\n\n12\n00:04:21,691 --> 00:04:36,979\n是,我想這個竹材的這些的部分其實我們早期的竹材的一個生產量是非常多啦上上百萬隻這樣子那近年來當然有一些因為禁伐補償等等的這些的一個支持\n\n13\n00:04:37,959 --> 00:04:51,246\n及第六條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等19人擬具第六條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等19人擬具第六條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等19人擬具第六條條文修正草案案。\n\n14\n00:04:59,650 --> 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Kacaw等19人擬具\n首先請教一下我們其實從這幾年來持續在增加不管是從禁伐補償的面積或者是金額我想大家也全力的在支持也希望能夠給予更多合理的一些補償那我想問一下接下來這樣的一個方向今天要審查的方向行政院版本有出來嗎?沒有行政院版本為什麼沒有?沒有行政院版本目前有在研議嗎?有在研議嗎?\n委員班門出現之後其實我們內部也有在討論有在討論那你們有提出來嗎?還沒有還沒有提出來有在討論但是還沒提出來那你們的態度是什麼?\n當然對於增加這個方向我們是樂觀其成樂觀其成那裁員的部分呢就增加裁員的裁員的部分因為涉及到整體預算如果說今年當然是沒有這個預算那明年開始當然這個部分是涉及到國家整體預算那變成新的那個來去做一個編列或者討論所以要由行政院來支持編列\n這個部分當然我們會報如果說法通過或我們按照法的部分來做一個要不要順利更清楚一點來同學有要補充嗎有要補充各位委員報告禁法補償104年通過的時候當時有做出附帶決議針對禁法補償增加預算必須以開增碳稅來支應那針對這個部分呢園民會後來我們就按照當時大院的決議來檢討那不過剛剛很多委員有提到這幾年我們也發現到禁法的這個竹人獸\n限制的土地的確是有當初在立法上沒有全部涵蓋當初只有林業用地所以行政院在108年提出的修法我們擴大了這樣的禁法補償的面具包括這個都市計劃區水質水運保護區包括國土保安用地等所以行政院在過去8年內在2016年之後實際上我們也持續在推動也如委員簡報上所說我們現在大概這8年\n補償金2.4公頃到7.2萬港幣8年4.7億元已經是直接讓族人能夠受益那剛剛委員所提示的部分有關整體的預算部分目前我們本會內部有進行研議中不過因為這個預算的增加還涉及到整個國家預算的整體的配置那目前我們還在這個討論當中那財務的部分呢\n跟委員報告本次修法涉及到調整禁法補償的金額以及擴大禁法補償的範圍涉及到原民會、環境部、農業部和大部會的協商。這個部分我們尊重主管機關的權責以及大院的最後審查的延後。\n審查委員若修法通過,本身是屬於依法律所必須編列的支出。我們行政部門在編預算會依照法通過來編列相關的經費。我還是希望這整個審訊來思考,因為畢竟當然大家持續的增加,但是剛剛也講到了怎麼樣在整個政策上包括原民的照顧、補助\n甚至於在減碳這一塊政策上怎麼達到最有效的一個工具?剛剛也談到了,碳費其實是一個重要的一個法律依據,包括新的內閣上任之後的整個,我覺得對於基本新的內閣的,因為各位當然很多都事務官,政務官今天沒來嘛,很多政務員沒有來,那我覺得對於既有的還是要有一些基本的尊重啦,我覺得大方向上大家都支持,但是該有的基本尊重我認為還是要有啦,這個整個體制上是比較好的。好,再來我請教一下主委,副主委啦,\n竹林整個固碳的量是木材的三倍其實我們應該大量繼續推竹林讓更多竹林這個方向上應該也是一個民會應該也是林務署的一些方向是這樣的方向那我想了解的是那為什麼這國產林這段時間來增加雖然是減少甚至於有進半的林地是荒廢要不要先說明一下副署長\n是,我想這個竹材的這些的部分其實我們早期的竹材的一個生產量是非常多啦上上百萬隻這樣子那近年來當然有一些因為禁伐補償等等的這些的一個支持\n及第六條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財Sra 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