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00:01:40,325\n我會這樣問是因為其實是因為其實這次的403的地震啊因為各地的山地都還是有一些土石流或是坍塌的情況出現我擔心的是是不是會有因為這個天災然後樹木流失導致自己土地的竹木的覆蓋率不到你們規定的七成然後並就拿不到這個相應的補償會不會有這樣的情況\n\n5\n00:01:42,646 --> 00:02:08,620\n這會不會影響到一些族人在申請這些禁法補償的權益呢?根本包括竹木覆蓋率的確是要到達七成那現在我們在113年1月8號針對這個辦法有做第六條有做修訂除了既有的建築物還有道路跟農路已經是沒有被覆蓋的部分扣除掉之外其他的像崩塌地如果符合檢測它整體\n\n6\n00:02:10,219 --> 00:02:25,014\n整體來看如果還是滿7成的覆蓋率的話是照樣都補助那之前只要有一部分覆蓋率不到7成的話就完全就不給經費但現在是只要統整去算是一起的\n\n7\n00:02:25,715 --> 00:02:27,897\n審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等19人擬具\n\n8\n00:02:41,249 --> 00:02:53,194\n地禁補償條例第六條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等19人擬具:「原住民保留地禁補償條例第六條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等19人擬具:「原住民保留地禁補償條例第六條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等19人擬具:「原住民保留地禁補償條例第六條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等19人擬具:「原住民保留地禁補償條例第六條條文修正草案\n\n9\n00:03:10,260 --> 00:03:21,556\n也就是說既然現在新的造林政策已經把這個獎勵金提高而且提高蠻多倍的那我們禁伐的補償金如果沒有提高的話是不是很可能造成有些人未來會造樹砍樹來造林這個是我擔心的\n\n10\n00:03:26,042 --> 00:03:33,148\n立法院第11屆第1會期內政、經濟委員高金素梅等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案案。六、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案案。\n\n11\n00:03:51,124 --> 00:03:55,465\n條例第六條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等18人擬具:「原住民保留第六條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等18人擬具:「原住民保留\n\n12\n00:04:15,432 --> 00:04:41,455\n農業部新的政策下去之後,我們新的院版都沒有提出任何關於我們自己的禁伐補償的版本。副主委。是。目前沒有我們的版本,不過我們也當然就整個政策的發展上。那你們的態度跟立場是什麼?如果今天我們這四個版本就是要審了,結果院,你們都沒有版本也沒有立場該怎麼辦?\n\n13\n00:04:43,414 --> 00:04:47,400\n我們也當然希望是秉持一致性跟公平性的原則去推\n\n14\n00:04:48,610 --> 00:05:15,911\n所以今天等一下我們就要進主條了那裡面四個委員的版本有三萬有五萬有六萬該怎麼辦你們的態度是支持幾萬還是你們自己的版本希望什麼是橫平性什麼是一致性你們的預算的規模到哪裡其實要讓大家知道啦不是說我們今天在這邊隨便喊價就好\n\n15\n00:05:16,471 --> 00:05:23,465\n你們預算的預期到底希望在這件事情上面播出多少來支持這件事情。」\n\n16\n00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:51,948\n這個的確也涉及到整個籌變預算的部分那目前因為我們的禁法補償的金額是從經費已經是22億那從今年開始是列為公務預算那現在14年14年的部分如果說按照法如果修法通過之後當然我們會按照法的規定來做一個籌變所以你們也支持增加嗎?態度是這樣嗎?\n\n17\n00:05:56,789 --> 00:06:22,069\n副主委不敢講欸你們支不支持增加嗎?支不支持?支持樂觀其成勇敢一點啦這個不分黨派都在這邊好不好?你們支不支持增加?民進黨的立委都在這邊支持你了你還怕什麼?是我想我們都樂觀其成勇敢一點啦\n\n18\n00:06:23,997 --> 00:06:51,442\n對阿,這件事其實不分黨派都也認為這是一個要一併檢討一併一併往前走啦好不好,我們就不分黨派往前努力的讓這件事,這個都是大家都想支持的,照顧主人的權益,並且照顧這個山林來守護國土好不好。是,是,好。好啦,等一下就要進主條了,副主委還是得答覆啦,謝謝。是,謝謝黃委員,謝謝。\n\n19\n00:06:54,933 --> 00:06:55,296\n謝謝黃明杰委員的質詢\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n9906\t13814\t條例第16條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具\n18015\t46927\t好副主委好首先我要講一下就是原民會其實還是很努力啦因為原民會在今年1月初的時候有發佈這個原住民保留地禁法補償實施辦法的修正案那修正案裡面其實也有看到已經有訂定這個補償的認定基準然後各權責辦理的期程也都有訂出來然後竹木覆蓋率的用詞還有申請人的救濟程序這些的規定其實也都有放在裡面\n47367\t73301\t我覺得這個當然方向很好可更能維護族人權益然後也更貼近實務的需求那我想先請教一下副主委裡面有提到說只要這個土地經過確認是竹木覆蓋率七成以上而且沒有濫墾濫伐的情勢也符合其他的標準就應該要予以補償請問在實務上你們一般是怎麼去認定他的這個竹木的覆蓋率\n75834\t100325\t我會這樣問是因為其實是因為其實這次的403的地震啊因為各地的山地都還是有一些土石流或是坍塌的情況出現我擔心的是是不是會有因為這個天災然後樹木流失導致自己土地的竹木的覆蓋率不到你們規定的七成然後並就拿不到這個相應的補償會不會有這樣的情況\n102646\t128620\t這會不會影響到一些族人在申請這些禁法補償的權益呢?根本包括竹木覆蓋率的確是要到達七成那現在我們在113年1月8號針對這個辦法有做第六條有做修訂除了既有的建築物還有道路跟農路已經是沒有被覆蓋的部分扣除掉之外其他的像崩塌地如果符合檢測它整體\n130219\t145014\t整體來看如果還是滿7成的覆蓋率的話是照樣都補助那之前只要有一部分覆蓋率不到7成的話就完全就不給經費但現在是只要統整去算是一起的\n145715\t147897\t審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具\n161249\t173194\t地禁補償條例第六條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具:「原住民保留地禁補償條例第六條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具:「原住民保留地禁補償條例第六條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具:「原住民保留地禁補償條例第六條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具:「原住民保留地禁補償條例第六條條文修正草案\n190260\t201556\t也就是說既然現在新的造林政策已經把這個獎勵金提高而且提高蠻多倍的那我們禁伐的補償金如果沒有提高的話是不是很可能造成有些人未來會造樹砍樹來造林這個是我擔心的\n206042\t213148\t立法院第11屆第1會期內政、經濟委員高金素梅等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案案。六、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案案。\n231124\t235465\t條例第六條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「原住民保留第六條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「原住民保留\n255432\t281455\t農業部新的政策下去之後,我們新的院版都沒有提出任何關於我們自己的禁伐補償的版本。副主委。是。目前沒有我們的版本,不過我們也當然就整個政策的發展上。那你們的態度跟立場是什麼?如果今天我們這四個版本就是要審了,結果院,你們都沒有版本也沒有立場該怎麼辦?\n283414\t287400\t我們也當然希望是秉持一致性跟公平性的原則去推\n288610\t315911\t所以今天等一下我們就要進主條了那裡面四個委員的版本有三萬有五萬有六萬該怎麼辦你們的態度是支持幾萬還是你們自己的版本希望什麼是橫平性什麼是一致性你們的預算的規模到哪裡其實要讓大家知道啦不是說我們今天在這邊隨便喊價就好\n316471\t323465\t你們預算的預期到底希望在這件事情上面播出多少來支持這件事情。」\n328720\t351948\t這個的確也涉及到整個籌變預算的部分那目前因為我們的禁法補償的金額是從經費已經是22億那從今年開始是列為公務預算那現在14年14年的部分如果說按照法如果修法通過之後當然我們會按照法的規定來做一個籌變所以你們也支持增加嗎?態度是這樣嗎?\n356789\t382069\t副主委不敢講欸你們支不支持增加嗎?支不支持?支持樂觀其成勇敢一點啦這個不分黨派都在這邊好不好?你們支不支持增加?民進黨的立委都在這邊支持你了你還怕什麼?是我想我們都樂觀其成勇敢一點啦\n383997\t411442\t對阿,這件事其實不分黨派都也認為這是一個要一併檢討一併一併往前走啦好不好,我們就不分黨派往前努力的讓這件事,這個都是大家都想支持的,照顧主人的權益,並且照顧這個山林來守護國土好不好。是,是,好。好啦,等一下就要進主條了,副主委還是得答覆啦,謝謝。是,謝謝黃委員,謝謝。\n414933\t415296\t謝謝黃明杰委員的質詢\n","txt":"條例第16條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具\n好副主委好首先我要講一下就是原民會其實還是很努力啦因為原民會在今年1月初的時候有發佈這個原住民保留地禁法補償實施辦法的修正案那修正案裡面其實也有看到已經有訂定這個補償的認定基準然後各權責辦理的期程也都有訂出來然後竹木覆蓋率的用詞還有申請人的救濟程序這些的規定其實也都有放在裡面\n我覺得這個當然方向很好可更能維護族人權益然後也更貼近實務的需求那我想先請教一下副主委裡面有提到說只要這個土地經過確認是竹木覆蓋率七成以上而且沒有濫墾濫伐的情勢也符合其他的標準就應該要予以補償請問在實務上你們一般是怎麼去認定他的這個竹木的覆蓋率\n我會這樣問是因為其實是因為其實這次的403的地震啊因為各地的山地都還是有一些土石流或是坍塌的情況出現我擔心的是是不是會有因為這個天災然後樹木流失導致自己土地的竹木的覆蓋率不到你們規定的七成然後並就拿不到這個相應的補償會不會有這樣的情況\n這會不會影響到一些族人在申請這些禁法補償的權益呢?根本包括竹木覆蓋率的確是要到達七成那現在我們在113年1月8號針對這個辦法有做第六條有做修訂除了既有的建築物還有道路跟農路已經是沒有被覆蓋的部分扣除掉之外其他的像崩塌地如果符合檢測它整體\n整體來看如果還是滿7成的覆蓋率的話是照樣都補助那之前只要有一部分覆蓋率不到7成的話就完全就不給經費但現在是只要統整去算是一起的\n審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具\n地禁補償條例第六條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具:「原住民保留地禁補償條例第六條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具:「原住民保留地禁補償條例第六條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具:「原住民保留地禁補償條例第六條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具:「原住民保留地禁補償條例第六條條文修正草案\n也就是說既然現在新的造林政策已經把這個獎勵金提高而且提高蠻多倍的那我們禁伐的補償金如果沒有提高的話是不是很可能造成有些人未來會造樹砍樹來造林這個是我擔心的\n立法院第11屆第1會期內政、經濟委員高金素梅等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案案。六、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案案。\n條例第六條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「原住民保留第六條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「原住民保留\n農業部新的政策下去之後,我們新的院版都沒有提出任何關於我們自己的禁伐補償的版本。副主委。是。目前沒有我們的版本,不過我們也當然就整個政策的發展上。那你們的態度跟立場是什麼?如果今天我們這四個版本就是要審了,結果院,你們都沒有版本也沒有立場該怎麼辦?\n我們也當然希望是秉持一致性跟公平性的原則去推\n所以今天等一下我們就要進主條了那裡面四個委員的版本有三萬有五萬有六萬該怎麼辦你們的態度是支持幾萬還是你們自己的版本希望什麼是橫平性什麼是一致性你們的預算的規模到哪裡其實要讓大家知道啦不是說我們今天在這邊隨便喊價就好\n你們預算的預期到底希望在這件事情上面播出多少來支持這件事情。」\n這個的確也涉及到整個籌變預算的部分那目前因為我們的禁法補償的金額是從經費已經是22億那從今年開始是列為公務預算那現在14年14年的部分如果說按照法如果修法通過之後當然我們會按照法的規定來做一個籌變所以你們也支持增加嗎?態度是這樣嗎?\n副主委不敢講欸你們支不支持增加嗎?支不支持?支持樂觀其成勇敢一點啦這個不分黨派都在這邊好不好?你們支不支持增加?民進黨的立委都在這邊支持你了你還怕什麼?是我想我們都樂觀其成勇敢一點啦\n對阿,這件事其實不分黨派都也認為這是一個要一併檢討一併一併往前走啦好不好,我們就不分黨派往前努力的讓這件事,這個都是大家都想支持的,照顧主人的權益,並且照顧這個山林來守護國土好不好。是,是,好。好啦,等一下就要進主條了,副主委還是得答覆啦,謝謝。是,謝謝黃委員,謝謝。\n謝謝黃明杰委員的質詢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:09.906 --> 00:13.814\n條例第16條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等19人擬具\n\n00:18.015 --> 00:46.927\n好副主委好首先我要講一下就是原民會其實還是很努力啦因為原民會在今年1月初的時候有發佈這個原住民保留地禁法補償實施辦法的修正案那修正案裡面其實也有看到已經有訂定這個補償的認定基準然後各權責辦理的期程也都有訂出來然後竹木覆蓋率的用詞還有申請人的救濟程序這些的規定其實也都有放在裡面\n\n00:47.367 --> 01:13.301\n我覺得這個當然方向很好可更能維護族人權益然後也更貼近實務的需求那我想先請教一下副主委裡面有提到說只要這個土地經過確認是竹木覆蓋率七成以上而且沒有濫墾濫伐的情勢也符合其他的標準就應該要予以補償請問在實務上你們一般是怎麼去認定他的這個竹木的覆蓋率\n\n01:15.834 --> 01:40.325\n我會這樣問是因為其實是因為其實這次的403的地震啊因為各地的山地都還是有一些土石流或是坍塌的情況出現我擔心的是是不是會有因為這個天災然後樹木流失導致自己土地的竹木的覆蓋率不到你們規定的七成然後並就拿不到這個相應的補償會不會有這樣的情況\n\n01:42.646 --> 02:08.620\n這會不會影響到一些族人在申請這些禁法補償的權益呢?根本包括竹木覆蓋率的確是要到達七成那現在我們在113年1月8號針對這個辦法有做第六條有做修訂除了既有的建築物還有道路跟農路已經是沒有被覆蓋的部分扣除掉之外其他的像崩塌地如果符合檢測它整體\n\n02:10.219 --> 02:25.014\n整體來看如果還是滿7成的覆蓋率的話是照樣都補助那之前只要有一部分覆蓋率不到7成的話就完全就不給經費但現在是只要統整去算是一起的\n\n02:25.715 --> 02:27.897\n審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等19人擬具\n\n02:41.249 --> 02:53.194\n地禁補償條例第六條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等19人擬具:「原住民保留地禁補償條例第六條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等19人擬具:「原住民保留地禁補償條例第六條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等19人擬具:「原住民保留地禁補償條例第六條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等19人擬具:「原住民保留地禁補償條例第六條條文修正草案\n\n03:10.260 --> 03:21.556\n也就是說既然現在新的造林政策已經把這個獎勵金提高而且提高蠻多倍的那我們禁伐的補償金如果沒有提高的話是不是很可能造成有些人未來會造樹砍樹來造林這個是我擔心的\n\n03:26.042 --> 03:33.148\n立法院第11屆第1會期內政、經濟委員高金素梅等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案案。六、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案案。\n\n03:51.124 --> 03:55.465\n條例第六條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等18人擬具:「原住民保留第六條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等18人擬具:「原住民保留\n\n04:15.432 --> 04:41.455\n農業部新的政策下去之後,我們新的院版都沒有提出任何關於我們自己的禁伐補償的版本。副主委。是。目前沒有我們的版本,不過我們也當然就整個政策的發展上。那你們的態度跟立場是什麼?如果今天我們這四個版本就是要審了,結果院,你們都沒有版本也沒有立場該怎麼辦?\n\n04:43.414 --> 04:47.400\n我們也當然希望是秉持一致性跟公平性的原則去推\n\n04:48.610 --> 05:15.911\n所以今天等一下我們就要進主條了那裡面四個委員的版本有三萬有五萬有六萬該怎麼辦你們的態度是支持幾萬還是你們自己的版本希望什麼是橫平性什麼是一致性你們的預算的規模到哪裡其實要讓大家知道啦不是說我們今天在這邊隨便喊價就好\n\n05:16.471 --> 05:23.465\n你們預算的預期到底希望在這件事情上面播出多少來支持這件事情。」\n\n05:28.720 --> 05:51.948\n這個的確也涉及到整個籌變預算的部分那目前因為我們的禁法補償的金額是從經費已經是22億那從今年開始是列為公務預算那現在14年14年的部分如果說按照法如果修法通過之後當然我們會按照法的規定來做一個籌變所以你們也支持增加嗎?態度是這樣嗎?\n\n05:56.789 --> 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