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00:00:28,532\n好謝謝主席我們請法務部蔡部蔡市長跟我們衛福部的郭副市長好蔡市長郭市長\n\n2\n00:00:36,069 --> 00:00:37,838\n條文修正草案案。\n\n3\n00:00:39,747 --> 00:01:07,321\n首先我想針對衛福部的部分那因為今天我們要審查的這個刑法當中有關這個兒少凌虐的相關條文那在過去這一段時間我們也都從新聞媒體上都能看到重大的這些兒虐事件層出不窮那有些孩子因此身心受創那更有些孩子是來不及長大了那在近五年內\n\n4\n00:01:08,522 --> 00:01:11,938\n就有一百零三個孩子遭到受虐致死\n\n5\n00:01:14,039 --> 00:01:39,345\n那本席對於這些孩子的遭遇我們感到非常的痛心從衛福部所提供的這個資料來看近幾年這個兒少受虐的人數居高不下每年都在一萬人以上那在衛福部的這個書面報告中也有寫到人數會逐年增加是因為我們衛福部所推動的強化社會安全網的計畫而積極的這種發掘潛在案件並落實通報\n\n6\n00:01:43,601 --> 00:02:09,148\n所導致的這個數據逐年上升那我想我們社會安全網當然是要積極的這個推動但不應該作為人數增加的一個主因是不是請教我們衛福部除了因為這個積極通報所增加的案件那還有什麼樣的原因會導致遭受虐的人數居高不下\n\n7\n00:02:10,524 --> 00:02:37,837\n謝謝委員我們去看了這些通報的案件其實最大多數都是因為父母親缺乏親職的教育職能那第二個原因是那個夫妻之間可能有一些親密關係的失調所以會對孩子來施虐那還有一些原因可能是經濟的因素或者是這個施虐者有一些酗酒或藥物濫用或者是有一些精神方面的一些疾病等等大概是有這些問題\n\n8\n00:02:39,177 --> 00:02:48,344\n所以原因是非常非常多元跟複雜的那我們就這些問題有沒有辦法再去把這個人數向下壓有沒有可能\n\n9\n00:02:49,175 --> 00:03:09,569\n就如同委員所說我們希望這個對兒女是零容忍的所以不只是身體上的傷害不只是凌虐包括對於一些兒少的這個精神的暴力我們都認為這都屬於兒少保護的一環所以我們希望能夠把這一個向前延伸就服務向前延伸\n\n10\n00:03:09,989 --> 00:03:14,394\n條文修正草案（事由．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會等19人擬具〈中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案〉案。\n\n11\n00:03:27,306 --> 00:03:54,095\n我們就這個刑法第286條在這個五年前就是2019年曾經修法過那當時的修正不只是擴大適用的對象也設立了最低的六個月有期徒刑對於致死人與死的也有這個另有刑責那相信在這個前次的修法當時也是希望能夠透過加重刑責來嚇阻犯罪\n\n12\n00:03:54,963 --> 00:04:24,456\n但是經過了這五年是不是嚇阻的效果不如預期那我想請問就我們衛福部的角度來看再加重刑責能否有效來減少額虐的事件就如同剛剛所說我們額虐每年通報這麼多件那多數的案件都不是屬於這個凌虐致死的案件那所以針對這個凌虐致死要不要再加重刑責當然一方面我們是尊重\n\n13\n00:04:24,616 --> 00:04:25,738\n條文修正草案．立法院及主管機關全責\n\n14\n00:04:42,022 --> 00:04:46,084\n條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第13條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第13條條文修正草案\n\n15\n00:05:02,910 --> 00:05:17,504\n條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第13條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第13條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第13條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第13條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第14條條文修正草案．立法院第14條條文修正草案．立法院第16條條文修正草案．立法院第17條條文修正草案．立法院第18條條文修正草案．立法院第18條條文修正草案．立法院第19條條\n\n16\n00:05:18,615 --> 00:05:45,707\n接下來我想請教我們蔡次長我們看到在審查的這個草案幾乎都是針對刑責加重那我想這是直觀也是利益良善可能也是我們社會所期待的一個方向那對於這些凌虐兒童的這個案件我們希望透過更嚴謹的這個法律來嚇阻犯罪的這個發生也積極來保護我們這些兒童跟少年\n\n17\n00:05:46,345 --> 00:06:13,733\n不過在這裡我想先就一件事情來做一個討論就是即便我們法條定的重法官也不一定判的重也就是說沒有多少的案件能夠判到最高的刑責我想請教我們次長刑法第286條在2019年修法過後我們凌虐的這個虐童的案件最重判多久\n\n18\n00:06:14,329 --> 00:06:35,396\n條文修正草案（事由．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13次全體委員會及法制委員會等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．事由．委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．事由．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13次全體委員會及法制委員會等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條條文修正草案．事由．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會\n\n19\n00:06:40,871 --> 00:06:51,454\n條文修正草案案．司法及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員\n\n20\n00:07:09,787 --> 00:07:20,742\n條文刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12屆刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆刑法第12屆刑法第12屆刑法第12屆刑法第12屆刑法第12屆刑法第12屆刑法第12屆刑法第12屆刑法第12屆刑法第12屆刑法\n\n21\n00:07:21,715 --> 00:07:32,918\n條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條條文\n\n22\n00:07:48,523 --> 00:08:14,042\n所以量刑的基準一定要從中間也就是五年以上十二年以下你不可以再判五年你最起碼要看八年九年最起碼所以如果是這樣的話就不饒我們立法院他每次在為了這個事情要一再的不斷的加重所以徒法不足以自省那麼聶宇同剛剛衛和部也講到了他看到大多數的案件都是因為錯案發生的\n\n23\n00:08:15,623 --> 00:08:22,220\n父母親孽童不是自己認為不愛他去領略他一些情侶不是因為不愛他去領略他是錯愛\n\n24\n00:08:24,431 --> 00:08:27,612\n三）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具\n\n25\n00:08:46,698 --> 00:08:47,499\n條文修正草案．一）委員\n\n26\n00:09:06,812 --> 00:09:35,319\n好,我想這個問題所在法官在判決的部分應該是要嚴守這個法律但這個判決的結果不一定能符合社會期待那也會導致這個民眾對司法的不信任所以剛剛那個次長您大概回覆這些我也希望說我們法務部應該對這個問題應該是要這個嚴加把關希望能夠讓我們這些被虐待的孩童還有我們相關的案件能夠有一個比較\n\n27\n00:09:35,759 --> 00:09:50,033\n條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13次全體委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n19769\t28532\t好謝謝主席我們請法務部蔡部蔡市長跟我們衛福部的郭副市長好蔡市長郭市長\n36069\t37838\t條文修正草案 案。\n39747\t67321\t首先我想針對衛福部的部分那因為今天我們要審查的這個刑法當中有關這個兒少凌虐的相關條文那在過去這一段時間我們也都從新聞媒體上都能看到重大的這些兒虐事件層出不窮那有些孩子因此身心受創那更有些孩子是來不及長大了那在近五年內\n68522\t71938\t就有一百零三個孩子遭到受虐致死\n74039\t99345\t那本席對於這些孩子的遭遇我們感到非常的痛心從衛福部所提供的這個資料來看近幾年這個兒少受虐的人數居高不下每年都在一萬人以上那在衛福部的這個書面報告中也有寫到人數會逐年增加是因為我們衛福部所推動的強化社會安全網的計畫而積極的這種發掘潛在案件並落實通報\n103601\t129148\t所導致的這個數據逐年上升那我想我們社會安全網當然是要積極的這個推動但不應該作為人數增加的一個主因是不是請教我們衛福部除了因為這個積極通報所增加的案件那還有什麼樣的原因會導致遭受虐的人數居高不下\n130524\t157837\t謝謝委員我們去看了這些通報的案件其實最大多數都是因為父母親缺乏親職的教育職能那第二個原因是那個夫妻之間可能有一些親密關係的失調所以會對孩子來施虐那還有一些原因可能是經濟的因素或者是這個施虐者有一些酗酒或藥物濫用或者是有一些精神方面的一些疾病等等大概是有這些問題\n159177\t168344\t所以原因是非常非常多元跟複雜的那我們就這些問題有沒有辦法再去把這個人數向下壓有沒有可能\n169175\t189569\t就如同委員所說我們希望這個對兒女是零容忍的所以不只是身體上的傷害不只是凌虐包括對於一些兒少的這個精神的暴力我們都認為這都屬於兒少保護的一環所以我們希望能夠把這一個向前延伸就服務向前延伸\n189989\t194394\t條文修正草案（事由．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會等19人擬具〈中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案〉案。\n207306\t234095\t我們就這個刑法第286條在這個五年前就是2019年曾經修法過那當時的修正不只是擴大適用的對象也設立了最低的六個月有期徒刑對於致死人與死的也有這個另有刑責那相信在這個前次的修法當時也是希望能夠透過加重刑責來嚇阻犯罪\n234963\t264456\t但是經過了這五年是不是嚇阻的效果不如預期那我想請問就我們衛福部的角度來看再加重刑責能否有效來減少額虐的事件就如同剛剛所說我們額虐每年通報這麼多件那多數的案件都不是屬於這個凌虐致死的案件那所以針對這個凌虐致死要不要再加重刑責當然一方面我們是尊重\n264616\t265738\t條文修正草案．立法院及主管機關全責\n282022\t286084\t條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第13條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第13條條文修正草案\n302910\t317504\t條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第13條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第13條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第13條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第13條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第14條條文修正草案．立法院第14條條文修正草案．立法院第16條條文修正草案．立法院第17條條文修正草案．立法院第18條條文修正草案．立法院第18條條文修正草案．立法院第19條條\n318615\t345707\t接下來我想請教我們蔡次長我們看到在審查的這個草案幾乎都是針對刑責加重那我想這是直觀也是利益良善可能也是我們社會所期待的一個方向那對於這些凌虐兒童的這個案件我們希望透過更嚴謹的這個法律來嚇阻犯罪的這個發生也積極來保護我們這些兒童跟少年\n346345\t373733\t不過在這裡我想先就一件事情來做一個討論就是即便我們法條定的重法官也不一定判的重也就是說沒有多少的案件能夠判到最高的刑責我想請教我們次長刑法第286條在2019年修法過後我們凌虐的這個虐童的案件最重判多久\n374329\t395396\t條文修正草案（事由．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13次全體委員會及法制委員會等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．事由．委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．事由．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13次全體委員會及法制委員會等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條條文修正草案．事由．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會\n400871\t411454\t條文修正草案案．司法及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員\n429787\t440742\t條文刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12屆刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆刑法第12屆刑法第12屆刑法第12屆刑法第12屆刑法第12屆刑法第12屆刑法第12屆刑法第12屆刑法第12屆刑法第12屆刑法\n441715\t452918\t條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條條文\n468523\t494042\t所以量刑的基準一定要從中間也就是五年以上十二年以下你不可以再判五年你最起碼要看八年九年最起碼所以如果是這樣的話就不饒我們立法院他每次在為了這個事情要一再的不斷的加重所以徒法不足以自省那麼聶宇同剛剛衛和部也講到了他看到大多數的案件都是因為錯案發生的\n495623\t502220\t父母親孽童不是自己認為不愛他去領略他一些情侶不是因為不愛他去領略他是錯愛\n504431\t507612\t三）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具\n526698\t527499\t條文修正草案．一）委員\n546812\t575319\t好,我想這個問題所在法官在判決的部分應該是要嚴守這個法律但這個判決的結果不一定能符合社會期待那也會導致這個民眾對司法的不信任所以剛剛那個次長您大概回覆這些我也希望說我們法務部應該對這個問題應該是要這個嚴加把關希望能夠讓我們這些被虐待的孩童還有我們相關的案件能夠有一個比較\n575759\t590033\t條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13次全體委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員\n","txt":"好謝謝主席我們請法務部蔡部蔡市長跟我們衛福部的郭副市長好蔡市長郭市長\n條文修正草案 案。\n首先我想針對衛福部的部分那因為今天我們要審查的這個刑法當中有關這個兒少凌虐的相關條文那在過去這一段時間我們也都從新聞媒體上都能看到重大的這些兒虐事件層出不窮那有些孩子因此身心受創那更有些孩子是來不及長大了那在近五年內\n就有一百零三個孩子遭到受虐致死\n那本席對於這些孩子的遭遇我們感到非常的痛心從衛福部所提供的這個資料來看近幾年這個兒少受虐的人數居高不下每年都在一萬人以上那在衛福部的這個書面報告中也有寫到人數會逐年增加是因為我們衛福部所推動的強化社會安全網的計畫而積極的這種發掘潛在案件並落實通報\n所導致的這個數據逐年上升那我想我們社會安全網當然是要積極的這個推動但不應該作為人數增加的一個主因是不是請教我們衛福部除了因為這個積極通報所增加的案件那還有什麼樣的原因會導致遭受虐的人數居高不下\n謝謝委員我們去看了這些通報的案件其實最大多數都是因為父母親缺乏親職的教育職能那第二個原因是那個夫妻之間可能有一些親密關係的失調所以會對孩子來施虐那還有一些原因可能是經濟的因素或者是這個施虐者有一些酗酒或藥物濫用或者是有一些精神方面的一些疾病等等大概是有這些問題\n所以原因是非常非常多元跟複雜的那我們就這些問題有沒有辦法再去把這個人數向下壓有沒有可能\n就如同委員所說我們希望這個對兒女是零容忍的所以不只是身體上的傷害不只是凌虐包括對於一些兒少的這個精神的暴力我們都認為這都屬於兒少保護的一環所以我們希望能夠把這一個向前延伸就服務向前延伸\n條文修正草案（事由．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會等19人擬具〈中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案〉案。\n我們就這個刑法第286條在這個五年前就是2019年曾經修法過那當時的修正不只是擴大適用的對象也設立了最低的六個月有期徒刑對於致死人與死的也有這個另有刑責那相信在這個前次的修法當時也是希望能夠透過加重刑責來嚇阻犯罪\n但是經過了這五年是不是嚇阻的效果不如預期那我想請問就我們衛福部的角度來看再加重刑責能否有效來減少額虐的事件就如同剛剛所說我們額虐每年通報這麼多件那多數的案件都不是屬於這個凌虐致死的案件那所以針對這個凌虐致死要不要再加重刑責當然一方面我們是尊重\n條文修正草案．立法院及主管機關全責\n條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第13條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第13條條文修正草案\n條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第13條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第13條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第13條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第13條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第14條條文修正草案．立法院第14條條文修正草案．立法院第16條條文修正草案．立法院第17條條文修正草案．立法院第18條條文修正草案．立法院第18條條文修正草案．立法院第19條條\n接下來我想請教我們蔡次長我們看到在審查的這個草案幾乎都是針對刑責加重那我想這是直觀也是利益良善可能也是我們社會所期待的一個方向那對於這些凌虐兒童的這個案件我們希望透過更嚴謹的這個法律來嚇阻犯罪的這個發生也積極來保護我們這些兒童跟少年\n不過在這裡我想先就一件事情來做一個討論就是即便我們法條定的重法官也不一定判的重也就是說沒有多少的案件能夠判到最高的刑責我想請教我們次長刑法第286條在2019年修法過後我們凌虐的這個虐童的案件最重判多久\n條文修正草案（事由．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13次全體委員會及法制委員會等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．事由．委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．事由．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13次全體委員會及法制委員會等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條條文修正草案．事由．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會\n條文修正草案案．司法及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員\n條文刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12屆刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆刑法第12屆刑法第12屆刑法第12屆刑法第12屆刑法第12屆刑法第12屆刑法第12屆刑法第12屆刑法第12屆刑法第12屆刑法\n條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條條文\n所以量刑的基準一定要從中間也就是五年以上十二年以下你不可以再判五年你最起碼要看八年九年最起碼所以如果是這樣的話就不饒我們立法院他每次在為了這個事情要一再的不斷的加重所以徒法不足以自省那麼聶宇同剛剛衛和部也講到了他看到大多數的案件都是因為錯案發生的\n父母親孽童不是自己認為不愛他去領略他一些情侶不是因為不愛他去領略他是錯愛\n三）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具\n條文修正草案．一）委員\n好,我想這個問題所在法官在判決的部分應該是要嚴守這個法律但這個判決的結果不一定能符合社會期待那也會導致這個民眾對司法的不信任所以剛剛那個次長您大概回覆這些我也希望說我們法務部應該對這個問題應該是要這個嚴加把關希望能夠讓我們這些被虐待的孩童還有我們相關的案件能夠有一個比較\n條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13次全體委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:19.769 --> 00:28.532\n好謝謝主席我們請法務部蔡部蔡市長跟我們衛福部的郭副市長好蔡市長郭市長\n\n00:36.069 --> 00:37.838\n條文修正草案案。\n\n00:39.747 --> 01:07.321\n首先我想針對衛福部的部分那因為今天我們要審查的這個刑法當中有關這個兒少凌虐的相關條文那在過去這一段時間我們也都從新聞媒體上都能看到重大的這些兒虐事件層出不窮那有些孩子因此身心受創那更有些孩子是來不及長大了那在近五年內\n\n01:08.522 --> 01:11.938\n就有一百零三個孩子遭到受虐致死\n\n01:14.039 --> 01:39.345\n那本席對於這些孩子的遭遇我們感到非常的痛心從衛福部所提供的這個資料來看近幾年這個兒少受虐的人數居高不下每年都在一萬人以上那在衛福部的這個書面報告中也有寫到人數會逐年增加是因為我們衛福部所推動的強化社會安全網的計畫而積極的這種發掘潛在案件並落實通報\n\n01:43.601 --> 02:09.148\n所導致的這個數據逐年上升那我想我們社會安全網當然是要積極的這個推動但不應該作為人數增加的一個主因是不是請教我們衛福部除了因為這個積極通報所增加的案件那還有什麼樣的原因會導致遭受虐的人數居高不下\n\n02:10.524 --> 02:37.837\n謝謝委員我們去看了這些通報的案件其實最大多數都是因為父母親缺乏親職的教育職能那第二個原因是那個夫妻之間可能有一些親密關係的失調所以會對孩子來施虐那還有一些原因可能是經濟的因素或者是這個施虐者有一些酗酒或藥物濫用或者是有一些精神方面的一些疾病等等大概是有這些問題\n\n02:39.177 --> 02:48.344\n所以原因是非常非常多元跟複雜的那我們就這些問題有沒有辦法再去把這個人數向下壓有沒有可能\n\n02:49.175 --> 03:09.569\n就如同委員所說我們希望這個對兒女是零容忍的所以不只是身體上的傷害不只是凌虐包括對於一些兒少的這個精神的暴力我們都認為這都屬於兒少保護的一環所以我們希望能夠把這一個向前延伸就服務向前延伸\n\n03:09.989 --> 03:14.394\n條文修正草案（事由．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會等19人擬具〈中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案〉案。\n\n03:27.306 --> 03:54.095\n我們就這個刑法第286條在這個五年前就是2019年曾經修法過那當時的修正不只是擴大適用的對象也設立了最低的六個月有期徒刑對於致死人與死的也有這個另有刑責那相信在這個前次的修法當時也是希望能夠透過加重刑責來嚇阻犯罪\n\n03:54.963 --> 04:24.456\n但是經過了這五年是不是嚇阻的效果不如預期那我想請問就我們衛福部的角度來看再加重刑責能否有效來減少額虐的事件就如同剛剛所說我們額虐每年通報這麼多件那多數的案件都不是屬於這個凌虐致死的案件那所以針對這個凌虐致死要不要再加重刑責當然一方面我們是尊重\n\n04:24.616 --> 04:25.738\n條文修正草案．立法院及主管機關全責\n\n04:42.022 --> 04:46.084\n條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第13條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第13條條文修正草案\n\n05:02.910 --> 05:17.504\n條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第13條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第13條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第13條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第13條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第14條條文修正草案．立法院第14條條文修正草案．立法院第16條條文修正草案．立法院第17條條文修正草案．立法院第18條條文修正草案．立法院第18條條文修正草案．立法院第19條條\n\n05:18.615 --> 05:45.707\n接下來我想請教我們蔡次長我們看到在審查的這個草案幾乎都是針對刑責加重那我想這是直觀也是利益良善可能也是我們社會所期待的一個方向那對於這些凌虐兒童的這個案件我們希望透過更嚴謹的這個法律來嚇阻犯罪的這個發生也積極來保護我們這些兒童跟少年\n\n05:46.345 --> 06:13.733\n不過在這裡我想先就一件事情來做一個討論就是即便我們法條定的重法官也不一定判的重也就是說沒有多少的案件能夠判到最高的刑責我想請教我們次長刑法第286條在2019年修法過後我們凌虐的這個虐童的案件最重判多久\n\n06:14.329 --> 06:35.396\n條文修正草案（事由．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13次全體委員會及法制委員會等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．事由．委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．事由．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13次全體委員會及法制委員會等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條條文修正草案．事由．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會\n\n06:40.871 --> 06:51.454\n條文修正草案案．司法及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員\n\n07:09.787 --> 07:20.742\n條文刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12屆刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆刑法第12屆刑法第12屆刑法第12屆刑法第12屆刑法第12屆刑法第12屆刑法第12屆刑法第12屆刑法第12屆刑法第12屆刑法\n\n07:21.715 --> 07:32.918\n條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條條文\n\n07:48.523 --> 08:14.042\n所以量刑的基準一定要從中間也就是五年以上十二年以下你不可以再判五年你最起碼要看八年九年最起碼所以如果是這樣的話就不饒我們立法院他每次在為了這個事情要一再的不斷的加重所以徒法不足以自省那麼聶宇同剛剛衛和部也講到了他看到大多數的案件都是因為錯案發生的\n\n08:15.623 --> 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