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00:05:27,770\n都應該要納入在我們的盤點範圍裡面這個是安全啦好不好好這你答應嗎好那接下來一點點時間我就要問台中機場的事情喔部長台中機場的周邊我知道有一個204年的計畫啦但是呢昨天昨天地方政府有\n\n14\n00:05:28,792 --> 00:05:39,965\n回答地方議員說這個機場周邊的開發評估完成是因為中央定位不明所以我地方政府很難定計劃那部長我們這個台中國際機場的定位不明嗎?\n\n15\n00:05:45,811 --> 00:06:08,577\n我現在非常明確那個就是說現在以這個區域當它為主而且現在的航線一直在增加包括新宇你把它當這個等於是hub來一個基地嘛一個題目我想中部機場有它的這種區域性的角色而且很重要的區域性的一個\n\n16\n00:06:10,892 --> 00:06:30,621\n還有離島、離島的航線、還有國際的航線那服務中部地區很重要嘛對不對所以部長我覺得要跟地方溝通啦為什麼因為從台中國際機場從沉水扁時代在2004三個台中第一、三個第一我們來讓台中機場升格為國際機場一定要\n\n17\n00:06:33,402 --> 00:06:48,884\n也是當時胡志強市長的時代我們中央地方合作讓台中機場可以升級成為國際機場那到了林佳龍時代我們更積極來推動因為我們增加了航線\n\n18\n00:06:50,166 --> 00:07:12,902\n是不是也增加了航班那甚至在疫情期間我們呢希望能夠化危機為轉機在疫情期間我們也定計劃我們也編預算讓台中的國際機場可以煥然一新我們呢不管是空間或者是相關的設施設備的提升這個我們有投資經費在那裡嘛對不對部長\n\n19\n00:07:13,903 --> 00:07:22,331\n所以我建議說現在的台中國際機場更需要中央跟地方政府一起來讓這個台中國際機場你剛剛跟我講我們定位很明確啊我們很清楚我們要讓台中國際機場如何\n\n20\n00:07:46,434 --> 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所以我是建議\n有分短中長期你說在系統平台還沒有建置之前那是不是應該趕快更新趕快盤點趕快更新趕快公布在你們的官網那如果可以的話我是希望能夠建立一個系統建立一個整合平台讓全台灣各地相關的捷運、國道、省道、快速道路等\n都應該要納入在我們的盤點範圍裡面這個是安全啦好不好好這你答應嗎好那接下來一點點時間我就要問台中機場的事情喔部長台中機場的周邊我知道有一個204年的計畫啦但是呢昨天昨天地方政府有\n回答地方議員說這個機場周邊的開發評估完成是因為中央定位不明所以我地方政府很難定計劃那部長我們這個台中國際機場的定位不明嗎?\n我現在非常明確那個就是說現在以這個區域當它為主而且現在的航線一直在增加包括新宇你把它當這個等於是hub來一個基地嘛一個題目我想中部機場有它的這種區域性的角色而且很重要的區域性的一個\n還有離島、離島的航線、還有國際的航線那服務中部地區很重要嘛對不對所以部長我覺得要跟地方溝通啦為什麼因為從台中國際機場從沉水扁時代在2004三個台中第一、三個第一我們來讓台中機場升格為國際機場一定要\n也是當時胡志強市長的時代我們中央地方合作讓台中機場可以升級成為國際機場那到了林佳龍時代我們更積極來推動因為我們增加了航線\n是不是也增加了航班那甚至在疫情期間我們呢希望能夠化危機為轉機在疫情期間我們也定計劃我們也編預算讓台中的國際機場可以煥然一新我們呢不管是空間或者是相關的設施設備的提升這個我們有投資經費在那裡嘛對不對部長\n所以我建議說現在的台中國際機場更需要中央跟地方政府一起來讓這個台中國際機場你剛剛跟我講我們定位很明確啊我們很清楚我們要讓台中國際機場如何\n﹏﹏\n是,因為我們現在台中國際機場2040計畫已經出來,裡面包括我們未來第三航廈然後我知道過去委員在談這個局限,局限就是機場一線我覺得它的重要性是尤其是變成這個很重要的台灣機場的一個輔助的很重要的機場我想這部分我們是不是把這個相關的資料跟台中市政府讓他知道我們後續的一個計畫\n讓台中市政府知道我們對台中國際機場第一個定位明確第二個滾動式檢討甚至我們中央民道民代不分黨派不分顏色都希望積極的來讓台中國際機場的這個2040的整體規劃案可以盡早提早\n提早施程 對不對來建置我們的台中國際機場 對不對那讓地方政府知道說地方政府周邊該配合的也應該明確的表示如何在配合共同來讓台中國際機場\n﹏﹏﹏﹏\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.999 --> 00:10.031\n有沒有鞠躬?謝謝主席陳學生召會。我們請部長\n\n00:19.115 --> 00:42.028\n市長好,我們今天談花蓮地震那震災之後呢我看媒體有報導那事實上落石有落到這個鐵道那我就想到說不管是天災或者是事故那安全永遠排第一那我之前在台中捷運發生事故的時候曾經在\n\n00:42.748 --> 01:04.307\n要求我們交通部要盤點捷運周遭的工程還有離清楚近線建的一個規範那甚至進一步的不是只有軌道還有呢我們的國道快速道路等等這周邊的近線建的這個工程的盤點因為呢除了\n\n01:15.404 --> 01:42.475\n告知原因的事故也會導致可能如台中捷運那樣子的一個狀況那台中捷運的狀況是已經非常完整的清楚因為我知道我們運安會也有一個相關完整的報告出來但是我覺得我們應該防範於未來而且能夠依照過去的經驗要來面對未來能夠防止相關的事件在發生所以我記得\n\n01:45.076 --> 02:05.936\n對於這個確實當時你也承諾要在兩個月內協調地方政府來盤點清查不管是軌道、國道或各快速道路周邊進線建區的這所謂的工程的狀況來保障安全嘛對不對那我也很高興看到確實我們交通部有盤點他有給了我一\n\n02:29.028 --> 02:45.255\n有沒有再更新應該有再更新我們同仁在我跟你講沒有再更新應該是當時候112年在我的要求之下確實你們有去盤點那盤點出來呢依我現在螢幕上\n\n02:46.255 --> 03:13.255\n給你的頁面是有關中部的那確實有工程名稱啊在哪一個快速道路或國道旁邊啊那這個工程內容是什麼啦是不是有所謂的起重機的吊臂啦齁或者有什麼其他的這個設施設備確實當時候有去盤點但是呢那是112年112年到現在呢沒有為什麼呢因為我們並沒有相關的系統來建置\n\n03:14.793 --> 03:21.698\n那部長你認為該不該建制所謂全國性的這樣子的整合平台而且應該資訊公開透明\n\n03:24.746 --> 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