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00:03:18,181\n希望真的是不要再發生資安事件讓您可以順利的撐到中場效應響起那我想教育部的資安問題不只是讓大家覺得不安全其實還有一些事件的發生會讓師生開始有點覺得不太安心這兩天有一個震驚教育界的新聞我也非常關注一名台科大的研究生報名參加了今年5月份在南韓舉辦的某一個生技大會的國際研討會\n\n9\n00:03:20,241 --> 00:03:39,341\n繳了3萬元的報名費及住宿費以後此時未收到會議通知向飯店及受邀的官網上說受邀的臺大教授求證以後才驚覺是詐騙集團的新手法趕緊報警最後經過多次協商好不容易討回一些錢但是還是有損失想請教一下部長\n\n10\n00:03:41,143 --> 00:03:54,374\n這個就現在正在質詢的當下雖然學生已經報警但了不了解這個事件這個網站甚至現在還存在我們現在來操作給你看這個網站做的也真的是算精美這個研討會發表文章499美元\n\n11\n00:03:58,217 --> 00:04:16,945\n三個晚上的住宿要價450塊美元現在如果學生缺乏這個什麼畢業點數老師缺乏升等的紀錄一個星期收到email趕快說轉投轉投這個研討會他告訴你說入局了馬上線上刷卡一千多美金刷出去\n\n12\n00:04:18,185 --> 00:04:43,220\n這還不是可怕的我想這個以前我都說要讓部長跟我呼喊口號今天我們不喊口號我們想要請部長閉上眼睛想像一下同理一下同學申請到了然後呢先用自己的錢電付了機票住宿刷卡飛了10個小時飛到西班牙剩下這個會議人生地不熟搭上客運火車好不容易到會場進到飯店結果呢\n\n13\n00:04:45,882 --> 00:05:00,374\n四處張望發現奇怪怎麼沒有這個研討會看到人各種語言交換之下發現沒有這個研討會透過網路連聯絡教授大家亂成一團人生地不熟一個人形單影資的在國外\n\n14\n00:05:01,457 --> 00:05:24,149\n是不是真的我覺得身心真的會受到打擊老實說我以前任教在學校我真的有聽說過這樣的事情學生回來非常難過身心都會受到嚴重的影響像類似這樣的研討會詐騙的網站一收一大把Dcard甚至有學生表示報名的這個連結是教授轉貼過來的\n\n15\n00:05:25,410 --> 00:05:50,098\n都付了錢發現是詐騙研討會每天可能都有學生受騙上當錢沒了畢業還受到影響壓力真的非常的大希望部長真的要能體會學生的絕望那其實有很多的方法可以去求證那我想請教一下就是說為什麼求證研討會是不是詐騙這樣的一個責任目前全部都落在學生的身上這是不是可以回應一下\n\n16\n00:05:51,677 --> 00:06:01,563\n謝謝委員因為委員是資訊的專家剛才委員提醒的有關資安的這方面教育部會持續的來加強尤其是外在環境委員知道這個問題那剛才委員提到的這個研討委員不好意思我剛才在請教師長\n\n17\n00:06:07,627 --> 00:06:31,762\n對這個案其實沒有掌握但是剛才委員提到一句我就覺得他是教授來轉給學生這個資訊這是他們詐騙集團大量的發送E-mail因為我們大專院校的E-mail全部都收得到嘛他就去爬蟲嘛按一個鈕可能就寄給全台灣的大專院校的教授啊那教授要升等啊缺點數啊學生也要畢業啊那教授可能就一個轉貼轉寄給學生的時候你去投一下\n\n18\n00:06:34,784 --> 00:06:37,046\n教育部主管機關本身有教育部詐騙防治專區就點進去一看裡面在講什麼打擊黃牛票啦什麼幫行政院背書啦\n\n19\n00:06:54,665 --> 00:07:17,826\n結果怎麼樣AI的這個比賽馬上瞬間光速記小過那學生被炸我們不理跟這個時代跟這個現狀脫節我相信也不是教育部希望那我想透過今天的質詢是不是我們有一些能做的那我想這個時間也不多啦我們就直接建設性的給部長一些建議跟意見好不好那希望你們可以研議首先\n\n20\n00:07:18,687 --> 00:07:44,234\n三日內可不可以立即的更新學術詐騙的樣態以及研討會詐欺的樣態把防制的方法放到網站上供所有的師生參考第二教育部應該立即正式的發案給學校要求校方正式並且保護學生尤其針對這樣的樣態以上兩點請問部長是不是能做到委員我想委員所提的這個建議都很必要因為剛才很詳細的聽委員在提那個\n\n21\n00:07:45,254 --> 00:07:53,899\n這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案\n\n22\n00:08:14,449 --> 00:08:34,608\n學生還不只被騙錢,他如果去那邊如果護照被收走了怎麼辦?他如果被關在房間裡面怎麼辦?人生有安全了怎麼辦?這個是非常危險的有沒有機會有一個窗口可以先以人工的方式來協助學生或老師可以送一個Ticket去希望這個比較能夠判斷的人\n\n23\n00:08:36,590 --> 00:08:56,843\n可以在48小時內或我們也可以7天啦因為這個有時候出國還有一點時間嘛得到回覆來協助他們判定否則萬一學生非要國外指定的地點行單引資、沒收護照也可能發生控制人身自由也可能發生到時候我們難道連教育部都還要來援救我們的學生嗎這個有沒有機會來評估一下\n\n24\n00:08:59,250 --> 00:08:59,450\n長期方案\n\n25\n00:09:13,749 --> 00:09:43,019\n我們認為應該要建立學術版的美育儀事實查核中心我當然知道教育部資源有限我們是希望新的AI內閣要用技術來保護人民保護學生保護受教的權益我們認為是有機會可以用科技跟AI來建立這個樣態的判定你有個LineAd你有個平台協助跟第三方甚至編列預算去幫忙或者鼓勵學校貢獻資料擴大民間合作也可以\n\n26\n00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:44,040\n4月17日及18日二天一次會．葛如鈞\n\n27\n00:10:06,883 --> 00:10:24,391\n但是已經被騙了我覺得教育部要掌握好不好一個月內我們有沒有機會建立詐騙案件就是學術詐騙的填報平台到底有多少人被騙了有沒有人要申訴他可不可以上傳佐證的資料檔案大小不要太小不要那四妹都傳不上來\n\n28\n00:10:25,592 --> 00:10:37,037\n希望能夠收集到的這些案件可以給予協助去在3個月內提出相關的補救措施以上意見能不能請部長待會去研議兩週之內書面回覆我們研議的情形\n\n29\n00:10:37,813 --> 00:10:58,642\n好委員這個部分我想在整個學術詐騙的這方面跟過去那個層出不窮的學生是弱勢3萬塊5萬塊就是他所有的身家了我想委員我們在兩週把目前剛才委員所提的我們重整做一個瞭解跟掌握那後面我們想在再分階段來做後面的實施好不好\n\n30\n00:10:59,042 --> 00:11:23,325\n好我想最後一點點時間剛剛我們提到的是這個防範學術詐欺可以運用AI那我們認為整個教育部都要導入AI的思維AI的人才可能會開始進入短缺我們新政府說是AI內閣但是紐約時報有說最新的消息AI人才最大生產國不是美國竟然是中國大陸佔了半數以上那我們台灣勒\n\n31\n00:11:24,806 --> 00:11:42,556\n美國日本新加坡全世界都在爭AI的人才我們的人才是否足夠我們查了一下長庚大學有智慧運算學院亞洲大學也有臺師大只有研究所臺大是只有AI中心還是NVIDIA出錢經濟部來協助的教育部這邊\n\n32\n00:11:45,017 --> 00:11:51,060\n有沒有掌握我們112學年度大概是1905位的AI相關的學生但是我們的人才缺口其實會越來越擴大數位產業署也評估了其實我們新增的人數的成長可能會遠遠趕不上需求我們可以看到各種大公司國際的公司都在競爭AI人才\n\n33\n00:12:11,929 --> 00:12:26,476\nMicrosoftAI是用人才acquisitionhiring的方式大批大批的在搶AI的人才特斯拉執行長也提出超高年薪在搶AI的人才事實上我們看到國科會有推動很多的計劃\n\n34\n00:12:27,456 --> 00:12:34,879\n4年來耗了4.1億但只有97個人留下來國發會的這個就業金卡一整年只網路到372人但是我們卻是人才超大的輸出幾十萬人是大學畢業的輸出到國外更不用講未來這些AI人才我想請教一下我們是不是應該我們新的內閣我們是不是幫一點忙給新的AI內閣做一點準備能不能建立跨部會的監督機制跟國發會、國科會\n\n35\n00:12:57,029 --> 00:13:09,156\n數位部我們來針對AI人才的跨國流動問題在一個月內將演繹的情況以書面提供給本席的辦公室有沒有機會我請要跟委員報告現在即使行政院我們有幾個跨部會是長期就是比較用各類產業所需要的人才在做跨部會之間的協調我想這個在新的內閣組成這一定會提供一下不好意思主席再給我10秒鐘20秒\n\n36\n00:13:24,064 --> 00:13:47,811\n10秒好我們這個青少年高失業率11%是一般人的3倍但是高達73%的雇主表示找不到適合的人才學用落差的問題我相信其實是一個非常大的挑戰希望可以有相關研議的結果包含今天所有議題交給行政部長一同為教育的百年大計一起努力好不好我們會把今天委員所提的一些我們整理一下好謝謝謝謝主席謝謝部長好謝謝接下來我們請林怡錦委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n11543\t15965\t謝謝主席 有請教育部潘文忠部長好 潘部長 謝謝委員好部長好 可謂半個多月很高興再次見到您總算從教育部遮蓋住了一些東西但我們希望可以透明的教育部走出來那我還是要恭喜 這個也謝謝您的貢獻在2600多天\n39816\t59698\t這個算是中華民國建國以後任期最長的教育部長兩度執掌教育部當然沒有意外的話520將會有新的教育部長接任但是這個交接期特別重要也希望您可以在最後的這段時間因為一聲輕我們是不是能夠再留下最重要的一些幾件事情讓後面的人可以做得更好\n60439\t85245\t我想回顧7年多的任期想請教一下即將卸任的您對於這段期間的政績給自己打幾分對自己最不滿意的施政項目有沒有什麼?謝謝委員我想自己本身就是教育人這個能夠在教育部服務其實就盡其所能而且我覺得實在是教育部的同仁都很優秀也很積極所以在這些年真的教育的問題不少\n86305\t114278\t我要跟委員報告其實每次看到校安的問題不管學生是因為哪種因素其實這是讓我最難過的事有時候會尤其像去年我們新北的一個校園校安事件讓我真的徹底的去再檢視一下不管在輔導管教諸位事項或是我們今天剛剛發布的霸凌防制準則我都很希望能夠\n118423\t131640\t感謝部長,我相信這個新年任期當中應該有很多成效深有所感但是也有很多我們可以做得更好的地方那剛剛您提到這個校安那我相信這個校安裡面也有很多的安全包含資訊的安全\n131920\t132280\t從2月22日科技大樓機房發生火災\n148597\t173573\t3月12日亥克入軍七所大學．七所高中的校務行政系統3月17日電子公文系統大當機10月2日科技大樓機房跳電平均每10天出報一次短短的40天以內擠滿了一級二級跟三級的資安事件差一點就全部完全打擊了我想從資安的角度來檢視施政真的是有點危險\n174954\t198181\t希望真的是不要再發生資安事件讓您可以順利的撐到中場效應響起那我想教育部的資安問題不只是讓大家覺得不安全其實還有一些事件的發生會讓師生開始有點覺得不太安心這兩天有一個震驚教育界的新聞我也非常關注一名台科大的研究生報名參加了今年5月份在南韓舉辦的某一個生技大會的國際研討會\n200241\t219341\t繳了3萬元的報名費及住宿費以後此時未收到會議通知向飯店及受邀的官網上說受邀的臺大教授求證以後才驚覺是詐騙集團的新手法趕緊報警最後經過多次協商好不容易討回一些錢但是還是有損失想請教一下部長\n221143\t234374\t這個就現在正在質詢的當下雖然學生已經報警但了不了解這個事件這個網站甚至現在還存在我們現在來操作給你看這個網站做的也真的是算精美這個研討會發表文章499美元\n238217\t256945\t三個晚上的住宿要價450塊美元現在如果學生缺乏這個什麼畢業點數老師缺乏升等的紀錄一個星期收到email趕快說轉投轉投這個研討會他告訴你說入局了馬上線上刷卡一千多美金刷出去\n258185\t283220\t這還不是可怕的我想這個以前我都說要讓部長跟我呼喊口號今天我們不喊口號我們想要請部長閉上眼睛想像一下同理一下同學申請到了然後呢先用自己的錢電付了機票住宿刷卡飛了10個小時飛到西班牙剩下這個會議人生地不熟搭上客運火車好不容易到會場進到飯店結果呢\n285882\t300374\t四處張望發現奇怪怎麼沒有這個研討會看到人各種語言交換之下發現沒有這個研討會透過網路連聯絡教授大家亂成一團人生地不熟一個人形單影資的在國外\n301457\t324149\t是不是真的我覺得身心真的會受到打擊老實說我以前任教在學校我真的有聽說過這樣的事情學生回來非常難過身心都會受到嚴重的影響像類似這樣的研討會詐騙的網站一收一大把Dcard甚至有學生表示報名的這個連結是教授轉貼過來的\n325410\t350098\t都付了錢發現是詐騙研討會每天可能都有學生受騙上當錢沒了畢業還受到影響壓力真的非常的大希望部長真的要能體會學生的絕望那其實有很多的方法可以去求證那我想請教一下就是說為什麼求證研討會是不是詐騙這樣的一個責任目前全部都落在學生的身上這是不是可以回應一下\n351677\t361563\t謝謝委員因為委員是資訊的專家剛才委員提醒的有關資安的這方面教育部會持續的來加強尤其是外在環境委員知道這個問題那剛才委員提到的這個研討委員不好意思我剛才在請教師長\n367627\t391762\t對這個案其實沒有掌握但是剛才委員提到一句我就覺得他是教授來轉給學生這個資訊這是他們詐騙集團大量的發送E-mail因為我們大專院校的E-mail全部都收得到嘛他就去爬蟲嘛按一個鈕可能就寄給全台灣的大專院校的教授啊那教授要升等啊缺點數啊學生也要畢業啊那教授可能就一個轉貼轉寄給學生的時候你去投一下\n394784\t397046\t教育部主管機關本身有教育部詐騙防治專區就點進去一看裡面在講什麼打擊黃牛票啦什麼幫行政院背書啦\n414665\t437826\t結果怎麼樣AI的這個比賽馬上瞬間光速記小過那學生被炸我們不理跟這個時代跟這個現狀脫節我相信也不是教育部希望那我想透過今天的質詢是不是我們有一些能做的那我想這個時間也不多啦我們就直接建設性的給部長一些建議跟意見好不好那希望你們可以研議首先\n438687\t464234\t三日內可不可以立即的更新學術詐騙的樣態以及研討會詐欺的樣態把防制的方法放到網站上供所有的師生參考第二教育部應該立即正式的發案給學校要求校方正式並且保護學生尤其針對這樣的樣態以上兩點請問部長是不是能做到委員我想委員所提的這個建議都很必要因為剛才很詳細的聽委員在提那個\n465254\t473899\t這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案\n494449\t514608\t學生還不只被騙錢,他如果去那邊如果護照被收走了怎麼辦?他如果被關在房間裡面怎麼辦?人生有安全了怎麼辦?這個是非常危險的有沒有機會有一個窗口可以先以人工的方式來協助學生或老師可以送一個Ticket去希望這個比較能夠判斷的人\n516590\t536843\t可以在48小時內或我們也可以7天啦因為這個有時候出國還有一點時間嘛得到回覆來協助他們判定否則萬一學生非要國外指定的地點行單引資、沒收護照也可能發生控制人身自由也可能發生到時候我們難道連教育部都還要來援救我們的學生嗎這個有沒有機會來評估一下\n539250\t539450\t長期方案\n553749\t583019\t我們認為應該要建立學術版的美育儀事實查核中心我當然知道教育部資源有限我們是希望新的AI內閣要用技術來保護人民保護學生保護受教的權益我們認為是有機會可以用科技跟AI來建立這個樣態的判定你有個Line Ad你有個平台協助跟第三方甚至編列預算去幫忙或者鼓勵學校貢獻資料擴大民間合作也可以\n583559\t584040\t4月17日及18日二天一次會．葛如鈞\n606883\t624391\t但是已經被騙了我覺得教育部要掌握好不好一個月內我們有沒有機會建立詐騙案件就是學術詐騙的填報平台到底有多少人被騙了有沒有人要申訴他可不可以上傳佐證的資料檔案大小不要太小不要那四妹都傳不上來\n625592\t637037\t希望能夠收集到的這些案件可以給予協助去在3個月內提出相關的補救措施以上意見能不能請部長待會去研議兩週之內書面回覆我們研議的情形\n637813\t658642\t好 委員這個部分我想在整個學術詐騙的這方面跟過去那個層出不窮的學生是弱勢3萬塊5萬塊就是他所有的身家了我想委員我們在兩週把目前剛才委員所提的我們重整做一個瞭解跟掌握那後面我們想在再分階段來做後面的實施好不好\n659042\t683325\t好 我想最後一點點時間剛剛我們提到的是這個防範學術詐欺可以運用AI那我們認為整個教育部都要導入AI的思維AI的人才可能會開始進入短缺我們新政府說是AI內閣但是紐約時報有說最新的消息AI人才最大生產國不是美國竟然是中國大陸佔了半數以上那我們台灣勒\n684806\t702556\t美國 日本 新加坡 全世界都在爭AI的人才我們的人才是否足夠我們查了一下長庚大學有智慧運算學院亞洲大學也有臺師大只有研究所臺大是只有AI中心還是NVIDIA出錢經濟部來協助的教育部這邊\n705017\t711060\t有沒有掌握我們112學年度大概是1905位的AI相關的學生但是我們的人才缺口其實會越來越擴大數位產業署也評估了其實我們新增的人數的成長可能會遠遠趕不上需求我們可以看到各種大公司國際的公司都在競爭AI人才\n731929\t746476\tMicrosoft AI是用人才acquisition hiring的方式大批大批的在搶AI的人才特斯拉執行長也提出超高年薪在搶AI的人才事實上我們看到國科會有推動很多的計劃\n747456\t754879\t4年來耗了4.1億但只有97個人留下來國發會的這個就業金卡一整年只網路到372人但是我們卻是人才超大的輸出幾十萬人是大學畢業的輸出到國外更不用講未來這些AI人才我想請教一下我們是不是應該我們新的內閣我們是不是幫一點忙給新的AI內閣做一點準備能不能建立跨部會的監督機制跟國發會、國科會\n777029\t789156\t數位部我們來針對AI人才的跨國流動問題在一個月內將演繹的情況以書面提供給本席的辦公室有沒有機會我請要跟委員報告現在即使行政院我們有幾個跨部會是長期就是比較用各類產業所需要的人才在做跨部會之間的協調我想這個在新的內閣組成這一定會提供一下不好意思主席再給我10秒鐘20秒\n804064\t827811\t10秒好我們這個青少年高失業率11%是一般人的3倍但是高達73%的雇主表示找不到適合的人才學用落差的問題我相信其實是一個非常大的挑戰希望可以有相關研議的結果包含今天所有議題交給行政部長一同為教育的百年大計一起努力好不好我們會把今天委員所提的一些我們整理一下好謝謝謝謝主席謝謝部長好謝謝接下來我們請林怡錦委員\n834087\t834497\t謝謝。\n","txt":"謝謝主席 有請教育部潘文忠部長好 潘部長 謝謝委員好部長好 可謂半個多月很高興再次見到您總算從教育部遮蓋住了一些東西但我們希望可以透明的教育部走出來那我還是要恭喜 這個也謝謝您的貢獻在2600多天\n這個算是中華民國建國以後任期最長的教育部長兩度執掌教育部當然沒有意外的話520將會有新的教育部長接任但是這個交接期特別重要也希望您可以在最後的這段時間因為一聲輕我們是不是能夠再留下最重要的一些幾件事情讓後面的人可以做得更好\n我想回顧7年多的任期想請教一下即將卸任的您對於這段期間的政績給自己打幾分對自己最不滿意的施政項目有沒有什麼?謝謝委員我想自己本身就是教育人這個能夠在教育部服務其實就盡其所能而且我覺得實在是教育部的同仁都很優秀也很積極所以在這些年真的教育的問題不少\n我要跟委員報告其實每次看到校安的問題不管學生是因為哪種因素其實這是讓我最難過的事有時候會尤其像去年我們新北的一個校園校安事件讓我真的徹底的去再檢視一下不管在輔導管教諸位事項或是我們今天剛剛發布的霸凌防制準則我都很希望能夠\n感謝部長,我相信這個新年任期當中應該有很多成效深有所感但是也有很多我們可以做得更好的地方那剛剛您提到這個校安那我相信這個校安裡面也有很多的安全包含資訊的安全\n從2月22日科技大樓機房發生火災\n3月12日亥克入軍七所大學．七所高中的校務行政系統3月17日電子公文系統大當機10月2日科技大樓機房跳電平均每10天出報一次短短的40天以內擠滿了一級二級跟三級的資安事件差一點就全部完全打擊了我想從資安的角度來檢視施政真的是有點危險\n希望真的是不要再發生資安事件讓您可以順利的撐到中場效應響起那我想教育部的資安問題不只是讓大家覺得不安全其實還有一些事件的發生會讓師生開始有點覺得不太安心這兩天有一個震驚教育界的新聞我也非常關注一名台科大的研究生報名參加了今年5月份在南韓舉辦的某一個生技大會的國際研討會\n繳了3萬元的報名費及住宿費以後此時未收到會議通知向飯店及受邀的官網上說受邀的臺大教授求證以後才驚覺是詐騙集團的新手法趕緊報警最後經過多次協商好不容易討回一些錢但是還是有損失想請教一下部長\n這個就現在正在質詢的當下雖然學生已經報警但了不了解這個事件這個網站甚至現在還存在我們現在來操作給你看這個網站做的也真的是算精美這個研討會發表文章499美元\n三個晚上的住宿要價450塊美元現在如果學生缺乏這個什麼畢業點數老師缺乏升等的紀錄一個星期收到email趕快說轉投轉投這個研討會他告訴你說入局了馬上線上刷卡一千多美金刷出去\n這還不是可怕的我想這個以前我都說要讓部長跟我呼喊口號今天我們不喊口號我們想要請部長閉上眼睛想像一下同理一下同學申請到了然後呢先用自己的錢電付了機票住宿刷卡飛了10個小時飛到西班牙剩下這個會議人生地不熟搭上客運火車好不容易到會場進到飯店結果呢\n四處張望發現奇怪怎麼沒有這個研討會看到人各種語言交換之下發現沒有這個研討會透過網路連聯絡教授大家亂成一團人生地不熟一個人形單影資的在國外\n是不是真的我覺得身心真的會受到打擊老實說我以前任教在學校我真的有聽說過這樣的事情學生回來非常難過身心都會受到嚴重的影響像類似這樣的研討會詐騙的網站一收一大把Dcard甚至有學生表示報名的這個連結是教授轉貼過來的\n都付了錢發現是詐騙研討會每天可能都有學生受騙上當錢沒了畢業還受到影響壓力真的非常的大希望部長真的要能體會學生的絕望那其實有很多的方法可以去求證那我想請教一下就是說為什麼求證研討會是不是詐騙這樣的一個責任目前全部都落在學生的身上這是不是可以回應一下\n謝謝委員因為委員是資訊的專家剛才委員提醒的有關資安的這方面教育部會持續的來加強尤其是外在環境委員知道這個問題那剛才委員提到的這個研討委員不好意思我剛才在請教師長\n對這個案其實沒有掌握但是剛才委員提到一句我就覺得他是教授來轉給學生這個資訊這是他們詐騙集團大量的發送E-mail因為我們大專院校的E-mail全部都收得到嘛他就去爬蟲嘛按一個鈕可能就寄給全台灣的大專院校的教授啊那教授要升等啊缺點數啊學生也要畢業啊那教授可能就一個轉貼轉寄給學生的時候你去投一下\n教育部主管機關本身有教育部詐騙防治專區就點進去一看裡面在講什麼打擊黃牛票啦什麼幫行政院背書啦\n結果怎麼樣AI的這個比賽馬上瞬間光速記小過那學生被炸我們不理跟這個時代跟這個現狀脫節我相信也不是教育部希望那我想透過今天的質詢是不是我們有一些能做的那我想這個時間也不多啦我們就直接建設性的給部長一些建議跟意見好不好那希望你們可以研議首先\n三日內可不可以立即的更新學術詐騙的樣態以及研討會詐欺的樣態把防制的方法放到網站上供所有的師生參考第二教育部應該立即正式的發案給學校要求校方正式並且保護學生尤其針對這樣的樣態以上兩點請問部長是不是能做到委員我想委員所提的這個建議都很必要因為剛才很詳細的聽委員在提那個\n這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案\n學生還不只被騙錢,他如果去那邊如果護照被收走了怎麼辦?他如果被關在房間裡面怎麼辦?人生有安全了怎麼辦?這個是非常危險的有沒有機會有一個窗口可以先以人工的方式來協助學生或老師可以送一個Ticket去希望這個比較能夠判斷的人\n可以在48小時內或我們也可以7天啦因為這個有時候出國還有一點時間嘛得到回覆來協助他們判定否則萬一學生非要國外指定的地點行單引資、沒收護照也可能發生控制人身自由也可能發生到時候我們難道連教育部都還要來援救我們的學生嗎這個有沒有機會來評估一下\n長期方案\n我們認為應該要建立學術版的美育儀事實查核中心我當然知道教育部資源有限我們是希望新的AI內閣要用技術來保護人民保護學生保護受教的權益我們認為是有機會可以用科技跟AI來建立這個樣態的判定你有個Line Ad你有個平台協助跟第三方甚至編列預算去幫忙或者鼓勵學校貢獻資料擴大民間合作也可以\n4月17日及18日二天一次會．葛如鈞\n但是已經被騙了我覺得教育部要掌握好不好一個月內我們有沒有機會建立詐騙案件就是學術詐騙的填報平台到底有多少人被騙了有沒有人要申訴他可不可以上傳佐證的資料檔案大小不要太小不要那四妹都傳不上來\n希望能夠收集到的這些案件可以給予協助去在3個月內提出相關的補救措施以上意見能不能請部長待會去研議兩週之內書面回覆我們研議的情形\n好 委員這個部分我想在整個學術詐騙的這方面跟過去那個層出不窮的學生是弱勢3萬塊5萬塊就是他所有的身家了我想委員我們在兩週把目前剛才委員所提的我們重整做一個瞭解跟掌握那後面我們想在再分階段來做後面的實施好不好\n好 我想最後一點點時間剛剛我們提到的是這個防範學術詐欺可以運用AI那我們認為整個教育部都要導入AI的思維AI的人才可能會開始進入短缺我們新政府說是AI內閣但是紐約時報有說最新的消息AI人才最大生產國不是美國竟然是中國大陸佔了半數以上那我們台灣勒\n美國 日本 新加坡 全世界都在爭AI的人才我們的人才是否足夠我們查了一下長庚大學有智慧運算學院亞洲大學也有臺師大只有研究所臺大是只有AI中心還是NVIDIA出錢經濟部來協助的教育部這邊\n有沒有掌握我們112學年度大概是1905位的AI相關的學生但是我們的人才缺口其實會越來越擴大數位產業署也評估了其實我們新增的人數的成長可能會遠遠趕不上需求我們可以看到各種大公司國際的公司都在競爭AI人才\nMicrosoft AI是用人才acquisition hiring的方式大批大批的在搶AI的人才特斯拉執行長也提出超高年薪在搶AI的人才事實上我們看到國科會有推動很多的計劃\n4年來耗了4.1億但只有97個人留下來國發會的這個就業金卡一整年只網路到372人但是我們卻是人才超大的輸出幾十萬人是大學畢業的輸出到國外更不用講未來這些AI人才我想請教一下我們是不是應該我們新的內閣我們是不是幫一點忙給新的AI內閣做一點準備能不能建立跨部會的監督機制跟國發會、國科會\n數位部我們來針對AI人才的跨國流動問題在一個月內將演繹的情況以書面提供給本席的辦公室有沒有機會我請要跟委員報告現在即使行政院我們有幾個跨部會是長期就是比較用各類產業所需要的人才在做跨部會之間的協調我想這個在新的內閣組成這一定會提供一下不好意思主席再給我10秒鐘20秒\n10秒好我們這個青少年高失業率11%是一般人的3倍但是高達73%的雇主表示找不到適合的人才學用落差的問題我相信其實是一個非常大的挑戰希望可以有相關研議的結果包含今天所有議題交給行政部長一同為教育的百年大計一起努力好不好我們會把今天委員所提的一些我們整理一下好謝謝謝謝主席謝謝部長好謝謝接下來我們請林怡錦委員\n謝謝。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:11.543 --> 00:15.965\n謝謝主席有請教育部潘文忠部長好潘部長謝謝委員好部長好可謂半個多月很高興再次見到您總算從教育部遮蓋住了一些東西但我們希望可以透明的教育部走出來那我還是要恭喜這個也謝謝您的貢獻在2600多天\n\n00:39.816 --> 00:59.698\n這個算是中華民國建國以後任期最長的教育部長兩度執掌教育部當然沒有意外的話520將會有新的教育部長接任但是這個交接期特別重要也希望您可以在最後的這段時間因為一聲輕我們是不是能夠再留下最重要的一些幾件事情讓後面的人可以做得更好\n\n01:00.439 --> 01:25.245\n我想回顧7年多的任期想請教一下即將卸任的您對於這段期間的政績給自己打幾分對自己最不滿意的施政項目有沒有什麼?謝謝委員我想自己本身就是教育人這個能夠在教育部服務其實就盡其所能而且我覺得實在是教育部的同仁都很優秀也很積極所以在這些年真的教育的問題不少\n\n01:26.305 --> 01:54.278\n我要跟委員報告其實每次看到校安的問題不管學生是因為哪種因素其實這是讓我最難過的事有時候會尤其像去年我們新北的一個校園校安事件讓我真的徹底的去再檢視一下不管在輔導管教諸位事項或是我們今天剛剛發布的霸凌防制準則我都很希望能夠\n\n01:58.423 --> 02:11.640\n感謝部長,我相信這個新年任期當中應該有很多成效深有所感但是也有很多我們可以做得更好的地方那剛剛您提到這個校安那我相信這個校安裡面也有很多的安全包含資訊的安全\n\n02:11.920 --> 02:12.280\n從2月22日科技大樓機房發生火災\n\n02:28.597 --> 02:53.573\n3月12日亥克入軍七所大學．七所高中的校務行政系統3月17日電子公文系統大當機10月2日科技大樓機房跳電平均每10天出報一次短短的40天以內擠滿了一級二級跟三級的資安事件差一點就全部完全打擊了我想從資安的角度來檢視施政真的是有點危險\n\n02:54.954 --> 03:18.181\n希望真的是不要再發生資安事件讓您可以順利的撐到中場效應響起那我想教育部的資安問題不只是讓大家覺得不安全其實還有一些事件的發生會讓師生開始有點覺得不太安心這兩天有一個震驚教育界的新聞我也非常關注一名台科大的研究生報名參加了今年5月份在南韓舉辦的某一個生技大會的國際研討會\n\n03:20.241 --> 03:39.341\n繳了3萬元的報名費及住宿費以後此時未收到會議通知向飯店及受邀的官網上說受邀的臺大教授求證以後才驚覺是詐騙集團的新手法趕緊報警最後經過多次協商好不容易討回一些錢但是還是有損失想請教一下部長\n\n03:41.143 --> 03:54.374\n這個就現在正在質詢的當下雖然學生已經報警但了不了解這個事件這個網站甚至現在還存在我們現在來操作給你看這個網站做的也真的是算精美這個研討會發表文章499美元\n\n03:58.217 --> 04:16.945\n三個晚上的住宿要價450塊美元現在如果學生缺乏這個什麼畢業點數老師缺乏升等的紀錄一個星期收到email趕快說轉投轉投這個研討會他告訴你說入局了馬上線上刷卡一千多美金刷出去\n\n04:18.185 --> 04:43.220\n這還不是可怕的我想這個以前我都說要讓部長跟我呼喊口號今天我們不喊口號我們想要請部長閉上眼睛想像一下同理一下同學申請到了然後呢先用自己的錢電付了機票住宿刷卡飛了10個小時飛到西班牙剩下這個會議人生地不熟搭上客運火車好不容易到會場進到飯店結果呢\n\n04:45.882 --> 05:00.374\n四處張望發現奇怪怎麼沒有這個研討會看到人各種語言交換之下發現沒有這個研討會透過網路連聯絡教授大家亂成一團人生地不熟一個人形單影資的在國外\n\n05:01.457 --> 05:24.149\n是不是真的我覺得身心真的會受到打擊老實說我以前任教在學校我真的有聽說過這樣的事情學生回來非常難過身心都會受到嚴重的影響像類似這樣的研討會詐騙的網站一收一大把Dcard甚至有學生表示報名的這個連結是教授轉貼過來的\n\n05:25.410 --> 05:50.098\n都付了錢發現是詐騙研討會每天可能都有學生受騙上當錢沒了畢業還受到影響壓力真的非常的大希望部長真的要能體會學生的絕望那其實有很多的方法可以去求證那我想請教一下就是說為什麼求證研討會是不是詐騙這樣的一個責任目前全部都落在學生的身上這是不是可以回應一下\n\n05:51.677 --> 06:01.563\n謝謝委員因為委員是資訊的專家剛才委員提醒的有關資安的這方面教育部會持續的來加強尤其是外在環境委員知道這個問題那剛才委員提到的這個研討委員不好意思我剛才在請教師長\n\n06:07.627 --> 06:31.762\n對這個案其實沒有掌握但是剛才委員提到一句我就覺得他是教授來轉給學生這個資訊這是他們詐騙集團大量的發送E-mail因為我們大專院校的E-mail全部都收得到嘛他就去爬蟲嘛按一個鈕可能就寄給全台灣的大專院校的教授啊那教授要升等啊缺點數啊學生也要畢業啊那教授可能就一個轉貼轉寄給學生的時候你去投一下\n\n06:34.784 --> 06:37.046\n教育部主管機關本身有教育部詐騙防治專區就點進去一看裡面在講什麼打擊黃牛票啦什麼幫行政院背書啦\n\n06:54.665 --> 07:17.826\n結果怎麼樣AI的這個比賽馬上瞬間光速記小過那學生被炸我們不理跟這個時代跟這個現狀脫節我相信也不是教育部希望那我想透過今天的質詢是不是我們有一些能做的那我想這個時間也不多啦我們就直接建設性的給部長一些建議跟意見好不好那希望你們可以研議首先\n\n07:18.687 --> 07:44.234\n三日內可不可以立即的更新學術詐騙的樣態以及研討會詐欺的樣態把防制的方法放到網站上供所有的師生參考第二教育部應該立即正式的發案給學校要求校方正式並且保護學生尤其針對這樣的樣態以上兩點請問部長是不是能做到委員我想委員所提的這個建議都很必要因為剛才很詳細的聽委員在提那個\n\n07:45.254 --> 07:53.899\n這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案這絕對不是個案\n\n08:14.449 --> 08:34.608\n學生還不只被騙錢,他如果去那邊如果護照被收走了怎麼辦?他如果被關在房間裡面怎麼辦?人生有安全了怎麼辦?這個是非常危險的有沒有機會有一個窗口可以先以人工的方式來協助學生或老師可以送一個Ticket去希望這個比較能夠判斷的人\n\n08:36.590 --> 08:56.843\n可以在48小時內或我們也可以7天啦因為這個有時候出國還有一點時間嘛得到回覆來協助他們判定否則萬一學生非要國外指定的地點行單引資、沒收護照也可能發生控制人身自由也可能發生到時候我們難道連教育部都還要來援救我們的學生嗎這個有沒有機會來評估一下\n\n08:59.250 --> 08:59.450\n長期方案\n\n09:13.749 --> 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